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For First Time, McCain Edges Ahead Of Obama In Tracking Poll
Now this is something. For the first time since Barack Obama officially won the Democratic nomination, John McCain has managed to eke out a narrow lead in the Rasmussen tracking poll.
The numbers: McCain 47%, Obama 46%, within the ±2% margin of error. McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of likely voters, compared to 51% who view Obama favorably.
In short, the recent mudslinging in the campaign may well have played in McCain's favor. Obama has not dipped from his usual range, but it appears that some undecideds have been pushed into McCain's column for now.
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That patter of little tiny feet is the galloping of the McCain trolls on over to this post....
August 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
That and Chicken Little's coming out to squawk.
August 4, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric as Henny Penny
August 4, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can we retire the phrase "chicken little?"
I mean, I understand that there are some screaming panickers out there, but there are also others who have legitimate concern, and it's counter-productive to tar everyone as a "chicken little" who might honestly believe Obama has some real issues and could use work to improve his standing.
Non-panic, real discussion is necessary, but we can't turn the blogosphere into an insulated circle jerk in which we all congratulate ourselves only on positive evidence we like.
I wrote more about this here:
http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/my-name-is-dansac-and-im-a-chicken-little/
August 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about chicken-o.
August 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one I've seen is tarring folks as Chicken Little indiscriminately or saying that Obama's campaign is doing everything perfectly.
That said, objectively some of the comments that come up every time a poll number drops by 1% are ridiculous. The constant refrain from well known Hillary supporters like fogu2, Dem Bill C, Billy Glad, and others is beyond tiresome.
August 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, well those are just knuckleheads. that's different.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I liked "The Obama candidacy is dead" down below, myself....
August 4, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dem BillC is no Hillary supporter, and no Dem. No Dem gets their talking points from Powerlineblog (follow the links from the comment and compare to what "Dem" BillC posts in his comment.
August 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can't? That's how we got saddled with this turkey in the first place. Obama lost almost every big state primary, and while we were telling you that he couldn't win in November, you were pointing out how well he was doing in Montana.
August 5, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing like complacency!
It worked for John Kerry, right?
... DIDN'T IT??!!?
August 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm gonna grab some popcorn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIbMoQL8cBE
August 4, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
consider the source, rasmussen poll has a conservative slant.
August 4, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
So why hasn't it shown a McCain lead until now?
C'mon, folks, we're falling into the same trap as we did in 2004, attacking polls instead of considering the results.
There is no reason for panic, but c'mon now.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speak for yourself, please.
I'm donating money and volunteering for the Obama campaign. What are you doing?
August 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of the above. I think you're misinterpreting my comment. I'm saying we have NO reason for panic, but I also think that attacking pollsters when we don't like the result isn't productive either.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely right. My two most recent posts talked about why we shouldn't be panicking. We can't just attack pollsters when they give us results we don't want.
Instead of panicking, we should be using this opportunity to step up efforts like campaigning and donating. Let's completely decimate the expectations for August. Let's give Obama a nice big finish at the Convention. Let's ride the wave all the way to Election day and get this man elected!
August 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama spent four times as much as Hillary in Ohio and Pennsylvania and he still lost. When will you realize that money alone can't put a weak candidate over the top? The Obama bubble has been deflating since last February.
August 5, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen and Gallop are both tracking similar results. More ominous would be the latest Siena poll shows 30% undecided in New York state.
August 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember, kids:
within the ±2% margin of error.
August 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn. It's early August. If McCain is polling at 47% in mid October then I'll pay attention.
August 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, if a crack team of liberal bloggers were running Obama's campaign, he would already be in office.
August 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! Definitely a lot of armchair-quarterbacking going on to be sure. But I do think that the "netroots" does give some needed feedback to the campaign and helps with researching issues.
August 4, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reason to panic? No.
Reason for Axelrod and Plouffe to start playing more offense? Yes.
The only reason McCain is in this at all is because he's seen by much of the country as a McMaverick. Anyone paying close attention knows that this is not true, but Team Obama needs to inform those less clued in. The oil ad is a start.
Maybe an ad with featuring a photo with Huggy Bear grasping a certain Shrub, perhaps?
August 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only criticism I have for the Obama strategy so far is that the Huggy Bear-Shrub image hasn't been used. I'm hoping they unveil something with that right after the Republican convention...
August 4, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am with you (as usual), dear CT Voter. Obama is doing fine. I have no major criticisms. That said, I do hope that we see more of that picture (as well as hear more of those radio ads about "McSame"). Bush is (rightly) an albatross around their necks and there is no reason why we should not take every opportunity to call attention to the fact.
August 4, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Completely right-on.
August 4, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
August 4, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
WineDarkSea,
I suspect the Obama camp has a truckload of opposition research on McCain and they're keeping their powder dry until the time they think its strategically right to launch it.
One thing you can bet will be out front, they will tattoo Bush's face on McCain's forehead with voiceover of McCain saying something similar to what Bush said.
bomb bomb bomb Iran.....100 years in Iraq.....and his voting record vis a vis Bush policies.
August 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course the attacks worked. They always work. And people who think Obama will be rewarded for his "new kind of politics" are sadly deluded.
McCain has so many negatives--policy, personality and competence--and if Obama doesn't take them on, then he'll let that old geezer slip into the WH. He can't allow the McCain camp to make the race all about him; he has to show that there is a risk in choosing McCain.
August 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Using old-style politics in response is not a solution, it is a second problem.
August 4, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Buzz me when you wake up from your dream world in which voters reward candidates for not attacking their opponents.
August 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still dreaming, since 1883.
August 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Old politics (for Dems) includes standing still while being tarred and feathered.
D'OH!
GEORGE BUSH BEAT ME!
TWICE!
August 4, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This worries me. Because if, as these results suggest, voters are going to reward the candidate who fights the nastiest, McCain will win hands down.
August 4, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
McDiapers is a nasty coglione.
Whatever happened to BHO's "PROMISE" to bring a gun to the knife fight. (Made in June this year!)
That said these tracking polls are excrement of the highest order.
We have an Electoral College vote to win!
August 4, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, whatever happened to that promise? McCain is bringing a AK-47 and Obama is bringing a bb gun.
August 4, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was so busy playing the race card they he forgot to bring the bullets.
August 5, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never underestimate people's willingness to allow themselves to be ruled by fear, uncertainty and doubt. Bush pulled it off for over 6 years and now McCain is tapping in to that shallowest of pools. McCain's willingness to go negative this early on seems to be a precursor of an even worse election cycle than in 2004.
August 4, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree more. Personally, I just love to be ruled by fear, uncertainty and doubt. All my friends and family do, too. My father, a poor immigrant with a dollar and a dream, came here looking for that uniquely American fear, uncertainty and doubt, the beacon to the millions who simply cannot live without being repeatedly fooled.
August 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously - take a Prozac.
August 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would I want to follow your example, of all people?
August 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because Democrats look out for all people... even republicans.
August 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's sweet.
New politics: FUCK THE REPUBS.
August 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Gallup National Poll not the Rasmussen is what matters?
If voters fall for McCain's smear tactics and elects the old fool, well then this country deserves another war, higher taxes, forceclosuers, job cuts and higher gas.
August 4, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
...you forgot the melting of the polar ice caps, extinction of polar bears, deportation of homosexuals and overturning Roe vs. Wade
August 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, 3 of those are certainly possible outcomes from electing John "Drill Our Way Out" and "I Love Scalia" McCain.
August 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
fucking america. what the hell is wrong with these people?
obama NEEDS to attack "maverick" status. he thinks that people are smarter than they are.
August 4, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"fucking america. what the hell is wrong with these people?"
I think we found a new bumper sticker for the "Obamanation" campaign.
August 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you make yourself useful and go find us some good McCain slogans at freerepublic?
August 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
How's this for one:
"McCain's energy policy...now endorsed by both candidates!"
August 4, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta a better one. "Mcbush for growing big oil profits! Four more years for big oil!" How's that one? I like it.
August 4, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That'll work...especially now that B.O. has one on his car.
August 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
How 'bout:
"KRUSTY McCLOWN. HAR! HAR!"
August 4, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, the state electoral college tallies at the sites which keep track of them (ie. fivethirtyeight.com, electoral-vote.com, electionprojection.com, pollster.com, and so on) haven't budged or shown any signs of movement toward Mccain in those tallies. Obama is still leading and would win comfortably.
I think national tracking polls are overrated in this race... and I dont think a MOE lead by either candidate is a big indicator of who will win.
August 4, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's always possible that McCain is hardening his support in the deep red states -- this morning's Oklahoma poll posted here suggests that might be true. We'll have to see whether the closing of the national polls begins to affect, for example, Nate's model's predictions over at 538.com.
Since I'm just some shmoe posting in a blog comment section, I'm not going to pretend I know what the Obama campaign should do right now (I know, imagine that!). The McCain campaign with their Rove disciples clearly decided to go with what has worked so often before, and they seem to be getting dividends. It is too early to say whether those immediate dividends will last, of course, but it does evoke all-too-familiar memories.
The Chicken Little syndrome is caused, I think, by the hope that Obama would win this by 10 points going away, and it's just never going to be that easy. I've finally readjusted my expectations to that and may even stop obsessively checking the daily trackers!
-- Stu
August 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I don't think anyone will ever win the presidency in the modern political era by a big popular vote margin. That said, Obama still looks good in the electoral college.
You see the same thing in other countries as well. It's become something of a science to drive your opponent's numbers down and try to eke out a victory.
August 4, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama could not even keep his lead as long as Dukakis or Kerry.
Of course he will tank bigtimt now with his new Ad "We Can't Afford Another President In Big Oil's Pocket" How stupid can one Ad be? Oilbama is the only candidate, Hillary and McCain voted against it, to vote for Dick Cheney's big oil Energy Bill. He has taken in over 400K in donations from Big Oil. He is Dick Cheneys bitch and completely in the pocket of Big Oil. That is why people are calling him Oilbama.
August 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're the first one I've seen that calls him that. Considering he supports a windfall profits tax on oil company's profits, it seems a little misguided.
August 4, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL ALERT!
I love the fact that this troll is "Dem Bill C."
August 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get over yourself!
Follow The Oil Money
http://oilmoney.priceofoil.org/federalRaceGraph.php
August 4, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
We didn't seriously think that we were going to go this entire election cycle without McCain being ahead at some point.
This does worry me about how the campaign is going to go forward from this though. The McCain camp may think this an affirmation that their new "celebrity" attacks are working (and, gawd, I'm really hoping that this is not what that means) and we will see more of them. They make me sick on a gut level.
I'm okay if Obama attacks, but let it be on the issues! We can win this campaign on the issues.
August 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gallup had them even yesterday 44-44.
Negative attack ads are like Buckleys Medicine - they're awful, but they work. Everybody professes to want a clean campaign about the issues, but everybody falls for negative attack ads. It's all about repitition, repition, repition - say it enough times and it becomes ingrained.
Head on - apply directly to the forehead
Head on - apply directly to the forehead
Head on - apply directly to the forehead
August 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to be pedantic, but Gallup had Obama one point ahead yesterday. 45-44. McCain has yet to crack 44 in that poll.
August 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pedanticalness causes consternation.
August 4, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
when the dem convention happens late this month we will see Obama jump to a 5-10 point lead.
until then this back and forth tracking poll BS is just noise.
if McCain actually stays ahead of Obama for more than 3 straight days (even in rasmussen polls) until the convention then i would be just a tad concerned cause we know mcbush will get some sort of bounce
otherwise it means SQUAT
August 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The convention will give the same small, temporary bounce as the world tour. This is not the old McCain campaign that takes two weeks to respond, this is the new and improved campaign with Rove at the helm. They've already done their first pre-emptive strike against the convention with the "Celebrity" ads. They're not going to let Obama benefit from the convention. They'll have plenty to work with off the disappointment of Hillary not being named VP alone.
August 4, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep focused on the fundamentals and the swing state polling.
August 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
the rove politics failed to work in 2006 because the wave was just too high and spilled over.
i still believe the same will happen in 2008.
we are doing well in senate and house races (money wise and poll wise) and are poised to pick up more seats in both and i would be surprised if the GOP picks up any of our seats in either chamber.
having said that you are right that the rove politics do have an effect. i wish our side had a POS like rove running the campaign.
Emanuel and Schumer are the closest we got.
our objective right now should be registering voters and bringing them out in Nov.
August 4, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
In order for Kark Rove's tricks to work, he needs a boogeyman. He didn't have one in 2006. Now, however, he has a man who's admitted that he's nothing more than a blank slate onto which people project whatever they please. Barack Obama is the candidate Rove loves to take on. This is not 2006, it's 2004.
August 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama candidacy is dead. If he's not willing to fight back then we're going to lose this election. A race this close is a win for McCain once voters actually get in the booth.
Is it too late to nominate Hillary? The Clintons are the Republicans' kryptonite. She would've got in McCain's ass by now.
August 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary would have started with such high negatives that McCain wouldn't have had to run attack ads so early in the campaign. Deploying such ads is not without drawbacks. McCain will pay a price for doing so.
August 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
--She would've got in McCain's ass by now.--
Thanks for the horrible image. I think I need another shower.
August 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama candidacy is dead.
ROFLMAO!
So, what are you going to be doing while Obama is taking the oath of office?
August 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you meant 'gotten'
August 4, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Bill really had them on the ropes with welfare reform, expanded death penalties, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," NAFTA...
August 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was the key to his success...Obama's following suit: FISA, Offshore drilling...when he proposes a capital gains taxcut he'll have a shot.
August 4, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he changes his stance on capital gains just in case one of the debates is on ABC again. I don't feel like watching another Charles Gibson filibuster.
August 4, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, I look forward to another Charles "please stay within our already established narrative" Gibson led moderation session.
August 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's why your guy should agree to McCain's Town Hall a week offer and let the audience ask the questions...
August 4, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too much over-reach there about his candidacy being dead.
August 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The moment Obama goes on the attack, he'll become either a) the angry black man or b) the effete elitist who looks silly getting angry. Or both - heck, he's already a Commie, Muslim, crazy Christian, celebrity arugula eater. Anger comes naturally to McCain, and his bulletproof "POW/hero" vest protects him from being called out on his hypocrisy and lies and hot temper.
August 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's a great reason to hide. OBAMA'S THE SMART ONE, RIGHT? MAYBE HE COULD BE SMART ABOUT. HIT THEM HARD AND SMART.
McClown would crumple like the Phillies in October.
August 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's it! Hide from a bully. Where did you go to school?
OBAMA'S THE SMART ONE, RIGHT? HE COULD BE SMART ABOUT IT. HIT THEM SMART and HIT THEM HARD.
McClown would crumple like the Phillies in October.
August 4, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this isn't that surprising since they're tied (before "leaners" are assigned) in Rasmussen's tracking poll. With the MOE, one would expect McCain to be ahead on a day or two of their polling. As long as it's in the MOE, no big deal. Plus, with regard to methodology, the Rasmussen poll only uses land lines -- no cells. That may cost Obama a percentage point or more.
Contrastingly, Gallup had this to say about their tracking poll yesterday: "As has been the case all summer, the race appears to be settling back into a pattern where Obama has a small margin over McCain." This suggests to me that Obama has been polling ahead of McCain in some of their most recent polling days. So, we may see them spread apart again in the Gallup poll. We'll have to see what their poll looks like today.
Having said all that, these tracking polls capture all the coughs and sneezes of the electorate. I would not be surprised if Obama ticks back up with his new offensive against McCain.
It'll be interesting to see what traditional polling says about all this... We should see some more of those polls soon.
August 4, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've read elsewhere that if the poll doesn't take into account cell-phone only usage when coming to their numbers, you add 2% to Obama's number.
August 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
With the polls showing a dead heat between McCain and Obama, Clinton remains the most electable Dem. A poll right before Denver should give the Superdelecgates pause. Clinton should be the nominee.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx
August 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.findmeahobby.com/
August 4, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha ha...that's funny...may I use it on other sites?
August 4, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
permission granted. just play nice.... I know you will.
August 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
FUNGUS!
I had heard that you had passed away in a pile of your own smoldering bull crap . . . It is good to see that you have figured out how to turn the 'tv-box with a keyboard attached' again.
XOXOXOX
Hillary will never be 44 . . .
August 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting tidbit from Andrew Sullivan today:
I think they're delusional if they think Hillary Clinton will be a nominee in 2012, were McCain to win.
August 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Completely delusional. The clintons will be lucky to hold their senate seat. I am willing to bet that there will be a well funded primary challenger to them in 2012. I for one will donate the max as I am sure many dems throughout the country will as well after the clintons' scorched earth tactics in the primaries. Also, their help to mcbush and the clintons' supporters continuous refusal to help obama all point to a major primary challenger. The clintons are pathetic.
August 4, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude...where's all that "PartyUnity" I keep hearing about?
August 4, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I'm a PUMA, when it comes to the clintons. If they played a little ball as opposed to trying to damage obama as much as possible in november, I would have changed my tune. Too late for that now. The clintons blew their chances in February.
August 4, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This too shall pass...
August 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do the pages in your Clinton pamphlets even come apart anymore? Even those that wanted her to become Veep have given up the ghost. Maybe it is time for you to find a new hobby as suggested above.
August 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is the nominee. How can you still carry on as if Clinton can be brought back?
August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is to announce his energy plan today. Energy prices are according to most polls the top concern of American voters. Let's see how much coverage this gets in the media. I'll tune in to "Morning Joe" tomorrow to see if they're still wringing their hands over the "race card"(as they were this AM) and use that as my guide.
Right now, even though Obama is talking serious policy as he travels around the country, it's almost as if he's talking to a wall. I'm hoping the local media are covering the actual issue but the only thing the national media covers is his responses to the latest McCain attack. Re: the local media. I did a quick Google news search on his visit to Tampa-St. Pete. Most of the headlines on the Web sites of the local news papers there focused on the hecklers. That's not a good sign.
August 4, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to start talking up the media whoredom of Hollywood McCain:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/hollywood-john-mccain.php
August 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see this as a trend that's disturbing. Obama limped his way to the end of the primary season. All of his big numbers months before that.
He can't afford the same pattern. Where are his campaign leaders? I wouldn't be surprised if McCain is up by even more in the next few days.
August 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Axelrod must be chomping at the bit, wanting Obama to go on offense.
No doubt, the all too placid disposition of this campaign is a function of the man at the top.
August 4, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think last week gave them the message. I was also thinking about what the Obama campaign did last week. They allowed McCain to put out the first distinctively negative ads. Strategically, they could absorb the negativity, since Obama was up in those tracking polls. But, more importantly, in allowing McCain to go negative first (notice that they stoked that in the media), they've given themselves more coverage to be aggressive and not be accused of "negative politics as usual." They can now go on the offensive without tarnishing Obama's reputation; It will more likely be perceived as the Obama campaign defending their honor from McCain's baseless character attacks.
Obama lost some ground in the immediate polling, butMcCain's reputation as respectful campaigner has already taken a substantial hit [see the countless articles and editorials that came out]. Along with that perception, he's lost some credibility, too, since he used false, shallow attacks, and also because he had promised that respectful campaign. People probably also saw shades of Bush in his attacks, further linking the two together...
I think McCain may have done more long-term damage to himself that the short-term damage he inflicted on Obama. I hope that I'm reading this right... Time will tell.
August 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"... defending their honor from McCain's baseless character attacks."
The reason they work is because they aren't "baseless character attacks) which would've backfired on McCain, they were questioning Obama's "readiness" in a humorus way. It was the "3 a.m. phone ringing" commercial, but in a way that everyone couldn't say "he just used Clinton's ad." I think the new ones are even funnier. "The one" ads had the Dem panelists laughing while they were trying to say how bad they were.
August 4, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
news alert -- this is going to be a close election
yes, we'd all (with the exception of the obvious trolls and provocateurs here) want Obama to win an landslide of 62-38% - but that has never been likely to happen
look at the results of the last 4 presidential elections -- the country is deeply divided politically, and the odds of a run away win for either party is extremely remote (although I think/hope the folks who compare the politics of Obama 2008 with Reagan 1980 may be on to something).
Palpitating at every small swing in the polls in August isn't healthy for your heart -- it will be a rough next 3 months if that is your way of dealing with it.
August 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude - as always, numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt.
The last 2 elections: '04 and '06 have been analyzed up one side and down the other and the trend has been away from the Conservative movement and Bush. In '06 the whole fucking country rejected Bush and the GOP. In '04, when Bush carried Texas without any trouble, the internal trend was already away from him, according to analysis I read then, and '06 proved it.
You can read the data any goddamn way you want to - that's why trying to predict an election based on polls is so fucking stupid.
As far as I'm concerned, you are way off.
August 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "race card" debate far more than the celebrity bs has proven the killer for Obama lately.
Never mind that McCain first injected "race" into the campaign, as Jonathan Alter correctly points out, there is no advantage to be had for Obama as long as so-called "racial issues" take the form of "who's playing the race card, acting racist, victimized by racism, etc."
This is not the Democatic primary where the Obama campaign made Hillary pay for Bubba's no doubt intentional SC gaffe. General elections are no place to deal truthfully with history. Like the Iraqi war, most white people wish race as an issue would just somehow "go away" and cease to bother them.
Obama's oil ad is a start in the right direction, but he must attack vigorously and substantively McCain's hypocrisy, age, neocon underpinnings, and anti-populism to win. If the Obama campaign seriously believes they can turn the other cheek to Rovian attacks, McCain will steal Obama's face right off his head, replacing it with a gangster-rapping dandified minstrel. "Look, they did it again" indeed.
August 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the Obama team has figured out that August is when the Republican machine destroys Democratic candidates, and if Obama doesn't fight back, then on November 5th he can wonder how the term President McCain rolls off his tongue.
Obama cannot stand back and say "Is that all the better you can do" and expect it to have any effect. Perhaps the Republicans really don't have to do any better.
Can one imagine Hilary standing back and only smiling as the attacks hit?
Oh, and where is the Democratic Party in all this? Sitting on their hands, adding up the bucks they will pocket on re-election, and not concerned about Obama?
August 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to sit down and watch video of Hillary campaigning throughout the last two months of the primaries.
I'm beginning to think that she's by far the best vp choice, but only if Obama's willing to go on offense for a change.
August 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously. Hillary Clinton is to an Obama ticket what Dennis Rodman was to the Bulls. That crazy jerk was everyone's collective pain in the ass until put on the right team and given the perfect role.
August 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. Never thought of it like that.
August 4, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
BO is driving me crazy with this Lackadaisical campaign. What amazes me -- how the American people would actually vote in a third term of George Bush.. Un*&^%ing believable.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BARACK -- its time to put on your boxing gloves.
August 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
With some polls showing a dead heat between McCain and Obama, Obama remains the most favored Dem. A July 31 poll from the well-respected Pew Research Center should give the McCainiacs pause.
http://people-press.org/report/438/inflation-economy-obama-overseas-tripAugust 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
He needs that number to be over 90, which I'm sure it will be in Nov., much like McCain supporters voted Bush in 00.
August 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama camp is allowing McCain's mudslinging to bring them down again and again by responding to his antics. McCain is the dumb playground bully trying to pick on the smart kid, and the best defense is to turn the other cheek. Obama may take one or two punches, but in the end it's the dumb bully who will look like the lesser man. The McCain camp wants to inject some humor into the campaign as millions lose their homes and unemployment rates continue to skyrocket. Obama needs to focus on the issues and keep reminding the country that he is a better man, the smarter man, and a better candidate for president.
August 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
PAvoter, I so agree with you. You notice on the Republicans are like ants nest you mess with one, the come out and attack. Where the hell are the Democrats
August 4, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama brought his gun to the knife fight. Too bad he was shooting blanks. McCain drew blood with his Ginzu slashing of Obama.
Sure Obama's slapped on a few band aids, but the damage has been done. The trend for Obama is down.
The only way Obama gets a bump at the convention is if he kisses Hillary's ass in a major way. We all know that's not happening.
August 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. The thing that worries me is the favorability ratings. That's not a good sign.
August 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, the obama campaign has really got to start defining mcbush, like mcbush is trying to define obama. The ad wars better start. Define the putz for what he is, the king on steroids. Comeon, define him before it's too late. The general feel of the election is shifting from a third king term to a referendum on obama. He's got to get it in gear.
August 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is already defined...he has a track record...everyone knows who he is. The country is just finding out who B.O. is and they're not liking what they see.
August 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, McCain has defined himself as a CLOWN.
AN OLD, SAD CLOWN.
August 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's your McCain track record, troll.
August 5, 2008 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
SFCWallace says;
Yep, McCain DOES have a track record, and he HAS been defined, and that's why an unknown young black guy with MUCH less experience than McCain came out of nowhere to lead MCCain in so many polls that the story line in the media is 'McCain
catching up to Obama.'
August 5, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares about national tracking polls, regardless of what they say. We do not elect our president in a national election. We elect our president in fifty separate state elections. Obama is doing fine. I am all for people working hard nonetheless, but the second-guessing and handwringing is just silly.
August 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree on the national tracking polls. They are worthless. However, in the state polls obama is losing ground. That is a problem. Obama has to start defining mcbush and stop just taking the attack ads and calling mcbush out as a liar. People generally don't pay too close attention to the rebuttal. Define mcbush.
August 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Missouri, you must not be working hard enough. If you haven't noticed, Obama not doing so hot in MO. You need to get off your ass and convince more voters in YOUR state that Obama is the one. Or are you in denial about your state polling data also?
August 4, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Two points:
1) Save your unsolicited advice for someone who needs it. I am already out there knocking on doors and suchlike.
2) Don't believe the hype. The polls here do not show Obama trailing, nor do they show him surging. They show both candidates evenly matched, but with Obama slowly gaining ground and McCain slowly losing it (c.f. the Pollster.com trendlines for the state if you do not believe me). I know that you prefer the role of the woebegone Cassandra, but the reality does not quite jibe with your prophecies of doom in this case.
August 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
A moment of clarity in an otherwise fuddled discussion.
50 individual elections.
Not one.
August 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know 50 individual elections with winner take all. Not a collection of caucuses and proportionally allocated EVs.
The brilliant primary strategy of going after every vote(because of proportional allocation) wont work in the GE.
August 4, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too funny.
You ought to check out "ElectionProjection" every once in awhile. That individual (Hugh Hewitt has high praise for whoever it is) lays out the race, and it's about 50 individual elections. Winner take all, sure (except for portions of Nebraska, where electoral votes, are, in fact proportioned out, but I'm guessing you probably already knew that, right?)
In any event, your candidate McCain is looking a bit, well, BEHIND right now. Even your conservative Republican statisticians are recognizing that.
August 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, he's leading big in all electoral college predictors, you nitwit.
August 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
This campaign strategy by the McCain camp was going to happen eventually. They had to go negative against Obama.
They are doing it early so that they can keep his numbers in orbit, then when the debates come around it will all be forgotten and they can proclaim an honorable campaign.
The Obama camp knew this was coming. They just have to keep the numbers close.The actual campaign for the general will really take off after the convention.
I don't like the nail biting that the Obama camp keeps putting me through.They make you wait until you see the whites of thier eyes.So far they have ran a great campaign, and as much as I want to see them attack McCain for the stupid pandering flip flop bush clone he realy is, I can wait for the time when it will really stick.
Courage people. Courage.
We have truth on our side.
August 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"They are doing it early so that they can keep his numbers in orbit, then when the debates come around it will all be forgotten and they can proclaim an honorable campaign."
Even better, McCain will go totally sleazy, trashy, even subtly racist negative. If it eventually costs him with people viewing him as the fake slimeball rightwing pol he really is, he'll ditch it. Then get new advisors, and claim that it was all the fault of campaign consultants, and that he's getting back to the "real" McCain.
August 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so sickened now.
August 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it has less to do wih the McCain attacks and more to do wih the media cheerleading. They have gleefully made daily reports about how McCain's attacks "might be working". They've given him free advertising, parroted the GOP memes and smears, and in general gave him a big ole pass.
The MSM = GOP parrots
August 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama is to announce his energy plan today.
Hopefully somebody in thye Media will ask the cokehead why he voted for Dick Cheneys Big Oil Energy Bill. I mean besides the money he got...
August 4, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Problem is Obama appears to be swaying in the wind regarding too many issues. *BIG* mistake to back down on telecom immunity; his support among Independents and Libertarians dropped by 16% on that 'triangulation'.
Also, he could have separated himself a bit from progressive organizations such as MoveOn.org without criticizing them openly for an ad they ran almost a year ago. He needs to remember the foot soldiers that helped him defeat Hillary in the primaries.
Obama needs to be confident and progressive in his political message and not be a repug-lite; otherwise he will lose the election. He needs to attack McCain for his poor judgement and flip-flopping on key issues and as McSame as GW.
Still a lot of time; but even though I voted for Obama in the Wisconsin primary I find myself less and less excited by his candidacy of late... Hope he can turn that around soon.
August 4, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which is why he's standing strong on his "No new drilling" pledge!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121780648308808375.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
DOPE!!!!!
August 4, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the end, it's really not Gore, Kerry, Bush, Nadar, Obama, or even Rove who is to blame for state of the union or our prospects for a better one: It is the American people. Not all, but just enough.
The mean, cynical, ignorant, distracted masses.
If 8 years of the most devastating presidency ever is not enough, then what does it really say about us?
August 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops did not mean to call Oilbama a cokehead, now that he wants all the votes to count in Florida and Michigan I meant to call him a shithead, I mean he is a little late.
August 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah -- playground humor!
August 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This feels like a Muhammad Ali boxing match. He was always jumping and dancing around his swinging opponents while the crowds screamed and wondered why he would not swing back. He would sometimes even take a few blows, but he would continue the bouncy dance. Ali's blow always eventually came, once the opponent had swung himself into exhaustion and when the crowd would least expect it.
August 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not the way I remember the Liston, Patterson, Frazier or other fights. Could make that case for Foreman, maybe. Obama has as much in common with Ali is he has with Moses. All in his mind.
August 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot Marciano.
Obama did suffer an initial devastating defeat too. I'd say they both later learned the perfect balance between offense and defense.
August 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Against Hillary he brought the crowd and the judges into the ring with him. Think he'll be allowed to do that against McCain?
August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm watching Sen. Obama give his energy speech in Michigan, and I realize he's taking a big risk. He's betting that Americans want to be spoken to as adults. I think he means it when he says he's not going to attack Sen. McCain's character or patriotism. He's not going to employ petty distractions. He's not going to reply in kind to the Republican tactics. He's going to carefully explain his positions. Would people listen? I hope his bet pays off.
August 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is much the same point that I was trying to make today elsewhere. The Obama campaign is betting on an electorate composed of clear-eyed adults this time around, while the McCain campaign is continuing the Bush/Rove strategy of betting on an electorate composed of children willing to play a game of "let's pretend." I am cautiously optimistic that Obama is making the better bet, but more to the point I really hope that he is making the better bet. If not, this country's problems are far broader and deeper than the choice of the president.
August 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I don't understand why negative ads would boost McCain's numbers.
I could understand Obama's numbers falling, it's been a tough week for him.
But Obama is staying the same, McCain just rose about 5 pts, by launching negative ads.
That doesn't make any sense, so I frankly don't believe it.
If the polls show this consistently, then Obama needs to change tactics, but it seems a little premature to start worrying now.
August 4, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because all McCain's ads did was point out (in a humorus way) that B.O. doesn't have the experience to be President, and the people said "you're right."
August 4, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Wallace, there is nothing humorous about racist ads. Not that anyone would expect a Republican to admit it. They thrive on racism. Especially when their elitist exceptionally rich candidate has nothing positive to run on, offers nothing more than the disasters Shrub has brought this great country, and is forced to make lies to run an ad. Meanwhile, read it and weep: www.electoral-vote.com, among many others!
August 4, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As if Junior's 180 days as Governor (total days legislature was in session during his terms in office, in the state with the weakest Governor definition in America (why'dja think they parked Junior there?)) were more experience than several years in state and then federal legislature, as well as actually teaching (not shredding) the Constitution....
Oh yea, Junior had all that great business experience...oh...well, anyway, there's all that military experien...hmmmm...there are his lousy grades in college, almost as bad as McCain's at the Naval Academy his dad got him into, and out of, just like Junior's dad did at Yale.
When can we elect someone who got there on hard work and smarts, not family name and connections? Oh, yea, Obama...
August 4, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its amazing how this one poll fully, finally and completely validates and vindicates the long-held beliefs and/or of so many people, notwithstanding that all those beliefs are totally inconsistent.
August 4, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I continue to wonder why the hell national polling gets so much attention, especially by people I assume to know better. Perhaps if the United States practiced a direct electoral system, this would have much meaning Ass it stands, though, with the Electoral College, it's hard for me to take national polling on any more than a quasi-serious level.
August 4, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
AS it stands.
That was quite an interesting typo, if I do say so myself.
August 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is Rasmussen, people closely assocaited with Doug Schoen and Mark Penn. You were right the first time.
August 4, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite true. I concede the point.
August 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must've been the Joker that did it.
August 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee what a surprise false advertising and lies works and doing and saying nothing and not fighting will get you back in the senate in January. Americans aren’t smart enough to decipher the facts and the truth especially when the MSM is just as ignorant as they are
It’s time to retire Axelrod that bumbling ,stumbling, mumbling weakling who can't put a coherent thought or sentence together in defense of Obama when called upon to defend him
August 4, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
But he's up three on Gallup- suck on those eggs Rasmussen
August 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy it while it lasts, repubtrolls.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109264/Gallup-Daily-Obama-46-McCain-43.aspx
August 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain backlash?
Gallup Daily: Obama 46%, McCain 43%
August 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since Gallup's Aug. 3 daily: Obama up 1, McCain down 1.
August 4, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time will tell, but I think yes.
August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama up in gallup polls hurt my brain.........
August 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The games have begun. The GOP has more juicy material with Obama than any nominee in history -- Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Muslim heritage, bittergate, raising taxes, supporting gun control, ingrate Michelle, messiah complex, emaciated arugula eater, supporting partial-birth abortion and affirmative action. In the fall, the 527 vultures will pick his bones clean.
August 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh....We've got lots on McCain too. If he wants to go the route of Rezko or Ayres, we'll use Hagee, Parsley and the big one, Keating.
August 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And McCain has decided to run for Class Clown. Big Red Nose on the Clown.
HAR HAR HAR!
The picture of him hugging at George Bush with both arms while Bush smirks over his shoulder trumps your entire horseshit list.
If the Dems could ever bring themselves to swing that stick, McCain would NEVER GET BACK UP.
HIT 'EM.
August 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
i've noticed rasmussen seems to be a day or two behind gallup.
today gallup has obama up 3, yesterday up 1.
rasmussen has mccain up 1, yesterday obama up 1.
i think a good explanation is rasmussen puts theirs out in the morning... gallup waits till afternoon.
so that would make sense that gallup be a day ahead.
watch tomorow i bet obama is up 1 in rasmussen.
August 4, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since you post non credible pollster, will you do the same for Gallup, Eric?
August 4, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
))))))))))))-crickets-((((((((((((
August 4, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again folks, tracking polls mean NOTHING.
They are there just for political pundits. Don't get excited if Obama is up or down. More important is which campaign is driving the narrative for the day and week.
Last week McCain WON the week with his negative ads.
This week Obama is fighting back with I really think is a brilliant ad of McCain=Bush=Big Oil.
McCain=Bush=Big Oil far WORSE than Obama=Britney=Paris.
August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: Big Oil First
August 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
When are you or TPM gonna identify Gallup, Rasmussen and Quinnipiac as Republican-leaning pollsters? The reason they poll so much is that they need those polls to shape public opinion for the Republicans.
Gallup (and Rasmussen and Quinnipiac) held Bush up in 2004 by polling and polling and polling their singularly Republican group of voters: people who were already Republicans would seem to shift to Bush from Kerry on que to the latest news cycle. Then, the media would report the manufactured shift on and on and on. So, no one whose livelihood depended on reflecting public opinion would dare go to Kerry, would dare put on a Kerry bumper sticker. Neighbors, on reading these idiotic polls, distrust neighbors, and you report this nonsense as if it's fact and important. How much did your parents/school scholarship fund pay for the undergraduate education that generates this shit?
Imagine if after a back-and-forth like last week's, people got to just think about it for a while. They might be able to let the ads and speeches gestate for a second before having to spit out an opinion to a pollster.
August 4, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe the opposite? Obama rose nicely in today's Gallup to a 3-point lead after being tied on Saturday.
August 4, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
An important difference between Gallup and Rasmussen is that the first is registered voters and the second is likely voters.
August 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as important, as I have said several times here on TPM already: Rasmussen is a right-wing Republican poll. Period. Why people give it so much credibility when they are just as quick to dismiss the PPP (Democratic) poll is quite telling. And ridiculous.
August 4, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might want to ask your State representative energy conservation? How much gas, oil and electricity we could save, if we sent illegal aliens packing.
We cannot keep up the demand for it right now! Oil! Diversity Alliance for Sustainable America.(earthtimes) stated in it's article that if the U.S. grants amnesty and gives citizenship to 12 to 30 million illegal migrants already here, as McCain, Obama and the majority of Democrats propose. That all those naturalized citizens could possibly add 120 million U.S. and foreign-born relatives to the U.S., in the next 20 years whom all will CONSUME MAJOR ENERGY. Does the American people need to escalate the 315 million plus population, the census estimates we have now? To a new total of 435 million?
The executive director of (DASA) admitted "Proposal to reduce energy costs in the U.S. will not work unless we also simultaneously curb U.S. population growth by reducing immigration and curbing teen pregnancies." Severing the illegal immigration occupation and deporting those already here is a good start, but not the complete solution to this serious energy problem that cannot be reversed. Unless another Nikola Tesla, an underrated genius of the 19th century invents a some new form of energy, we will be reliant on fossil fuels for years to come? Clean coal, geothermal, eco-fuel, nuclear and of course wind power and solar. The latter is energy that is a perpetual source of unimaginable power that knows no bounds.
The Save Act (H.R.5088) is an enforcement federal bill only, to start the EXODUS of foreign nationals illegally in AMERICA. NUMBERSUSA has all the unsuppressed facts
August 4, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama must apologise for his surrogates britney spears and paris hilton. they will do anything for attention and he shouldn't have appeared in that ad with them. it looks bad.
August 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
even if he apologises for being in that ad with the white girls, i still will vote for mccain because obama was so mean to hillary who was also a white woman. he should still apologise for the way he treats white women. but i won't vote for him even if he does. but an apology would be nice.
August 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Riiiight. You realize of course it was Hillary who, when asked if Obama was a Muslim, said he probably was not "as far as I know", letting the Republicans run with it. And it was Hillary who said she and McCain were ready to be Commander in Chief. Get over it! She lost, badly. And said some horrible things in the process! Definitely not presidential material. And I was a Hillary supporter going into this election. She destroyed her credibility.
August 4, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that McCain is a head in one poll after all of McCain's mis-steps & fumbles shows what a medicore Campaign Obama has run thus far.Hope he can turn it around.Playing nice ain't wuking folks.
August 4, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls are essentially irrelevant. It's the electoral vote that counts. Obama's way ahead there. By all accounts. Even Republican ones.
August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The state polls, which aren't taken as often, tend to follow the lead of the national polls. Look for Obama to begin falling behind in important swing states.
August 5, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love it we have a plethora of people here in this post who say that playing nice doesn't work! I guess providing substantial answers to many of the socio-economic issues facing this country doesn't work either, right?
If people are going to seriously elect McCain because he used negative ads against his Obama then I really don't understand why they are voting. Clearly if they are voting from a negative perspective of one candidate, Obama in this case, and not from any perspective on the other, then how would they know what they are going to get? John McCain and the Republicans mock Obama telling Americans to put air in the car tires, when the facts support this type of car maintenence to increase gas mileage, versus having more oil available by drilling off-shore 10 years from now. Seriously if these are the types of solutions that our leaders support, and I include the gas tax holiday as well, then America is surely going the way of most nations that have been on top before and that is down. Frankly it is sad but to be fair I hear it from many Republicans and fellow Texans. Of course Texans elected Bush, saying that he would work across the aisle, and that he could help improve our education system (by the way when Bush was governor Texas ranked 48th and 49th in education) which is totally laughable both before and after he was elected. I say this as a Texan, it is totally appalling to listen to the ignorance that many are seem to let flow from their mouths with such conviction.
August 4, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
These Likely Voter polls are misleading. Obama's base includes newly registered and young which the likely voter filter eliminates. What was the Registered Voter result?
August 4, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a 20-point generic Dem/generic Rep gap, us Dems gotta go for broke and say, "Let's try it with a white chick or a black guy!"
How come we Dems never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?
August 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama must apologise for running for president
August 4, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama must apologise for britney's parenting and the paris sex tape. he should not have appeared in the ad with either of them. it gives people the wrong idea. what was he thinking? i could never vote for him now. not that i would vote for somebody who isn't pure blooded anyhow
August 4, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's it gonna take for a Democratic candidate to recognize that punching back is part of the game? Has anyone ever won a football game by playing only defense?
I'm not suggesting that it means imitating sleazy Republican behavior. A punch in the face does not qualify as a low blow. McCain and his crew are wide open for a beat-down on any number of issues, with McCain's Class Clown campaign foremost among them.
It's a beat-down they deserve. I say give it to them.
Yes, and I'm all for a "new kind of politics". JOHN KERRY STANDING FLATFOOTED WHILE LOSING TO GEORGE BUSH IS OLD POLITICS.
Here's a new Democratic politics: SHOW A LITTLE SELF-RESPECT. BEAT THEM DOWN.
August 4, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quit this "I don't know why X works because why would....etc.", "since it doesn't make sense to me, this poll figure isn't right, etc."
First, you are you, not any other Americans. You cannot think that simply because an ad doesn't make sense to you, it won't to other Americans, eg. the "Satan" angle.
I am an atheist, so you can imagine my consternation, but what do Evangelicals (or any other groups of conservative Americans) think?? I would be stupid to dismiss this as ridiculous simply because it is ridiculous to *me*. They each have ONE vote, and say, there are a couple of hundreds of us on TPM, and in one Evangelical church alone, there are 500 members, we're vastly outnumbered.
And before anyone jump on me to call me a "defeatist" or "morale killer", just consider the reality of such a statement and tell me if we ought to fight the memes.
You're using a subjective judgment on an objective fact. First, you've got to have a more objective way of evaluating the veracity of that poll, eg. history of the reliability of that poll, and when you do and the poll doesn't stack up by these OBJECTIVE standards, then you can dismiss it.
Yes, Rasmussen has been declared "Pro-Republican", simply because it tends to show results favorable to Republicans, but that's a stupid thing to do.
You need to ask yourselves, has Rasmussen been OFTEN wrong or often right. The same with the others, Gallop, Zogby, etc.
August 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We appeal to the Frontal Lobe, the Cerebral Cortex, they go straight for the Amygdala. You tell me which is more effective on Americans, a TV Nation.
August 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
The American people are now taking a good look at Obama, and what they see they don't like. After playing the race card with his dollar bill remarks (gee, and it worked so well with Hillary), now he's reversing all his former positions on oil in a desperate attempt to stop his dive in the polls. But most people currently give as much credence to what he says as when he said he would vote against telecom immunity.
You know, there's still time to unload this turkey and go with a candidate who can win in November ... just sayin.
August 5, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you want us to flip flop on our candidates? Sorry, this is such a transparent ploy. You people trying to get us to toss Obama under the bus are probably secretly in league with McCain or Hillary.
It's one thing to recognize warning signs and another to turncoat.
I *hate* spies and psychops from Camp Hillary or Camp McCain.
August 5, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby now has McCain in the lead 42% - 41%. Zogby gave Obama a 10 point lead a month ago. Among the shifting votes:
* McCain gained 20% and Obama lost 16% among voters ages 18-29. Obama still leads that group, 49%-38%.
* Among women, McCain closed 10 points on Obama, who still leads by a 43%-38% margin.
* Obama has lost what was an 11% lead among Independents. He and McCain are now tied.
* Obama had some slippage among Democrats, dropping from 83% to 74%.
* Obama’s support among single voters dropped by 19%, and he now leads McCain, 51%-37%.
* Even with African-Americans and Hispanics, Obama shows smaller margins.
Remember that August was the month that Kerry effectively lost the nomination.
August 5, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you're one of the dumbest psych-op spy here, robotboy.
August 5, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait till election day when the voters go into that booth and have to choose between a Democrat and a Republican.
August 5, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink