Flashback: Palin Said She Didn't Like Hillary's "Whining"
Today in Ohio, new McCain veep pick Sarah Palin made a big play for Hillary voters by referencing her now-famous "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" quote.
But Newsweek reports that back in March, at a Women and Leadership event held by the mag, Palin's view of Hillary wasn't quite as charitable:
Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining.")
Via Politico. Imagine how surreal it's going to be when Palin evokes Hillary's name at the GOP convention -- and the arena cheers for her.
If you all dig up more past examples of Palin dissing her new heroine, please send along.
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Thanks :)
August 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks to you, and thanks to Greg for listening.
August 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, Charles Babington just wrote me back and said:
thanks for your note
That was it. At least he read it I hope, because I told him I asked that he be fired and had to assume Karl Rove gave him the copy for the AP.
August 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh JESUS CHRIST HILLARY!
They just read her quote on CNN and it wasn't critical at all. Basically said "Good for John McCain for picking a woman."
NO criticism!!!
August 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you're surprised? Give me a break. I would expect no less from the clintons.
August 29, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I expect more after this week. They'll come back with criticism. Probably just not today. Wait til she says one tiny thing wrong, then it's boom-goes-the-dynamite.
August 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
She said Sarah Palin would take the country in the wrong direction.
August 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT Voter: What about the good ole' Commander in Chief threshold that needs to be crossed? She's crossed the bridge-to-nowhere, but not the CinC.
August 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody should assume that Hillary is saying stuff without running it by Obama's camp first. Maybe she is, maybe not. I'm thinking not.
August 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are kidding, right? I am surprised by this comment based on your prior track record.
August 29, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
for those interested in Alaskans' opinions of the Veep choice by McShame, check on the site below.
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html
August 30, 2008 4:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on, Hillary. I just gave you an Awesome membership card at the convention. Don't make me march over there and revoke it!
August 29, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are reasons to hold fire for a few days. Let the novelty of "hockey mom" wear off a bit. Let the MSM take a few chunks out of her first.
Remember, also, that this isn't all about Hillary supporters. There are a lot of moderate/independent women out there who never particularly liked Hillary.
August 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You left a tag open Greg. And it's bleeding all down your page right now. :)
Oh, and tell Ben, nice find.
August 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Miss Wasilla, 1984
August 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there will be a lot of "unfiltered" quotes floating around from Palin considering she didn't have any designs on the Presidency or Vice-Presidency even two months ago.
August 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
She did a lot of NEOCON radio
August 29, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin believes that the Earth is a mere 6000 years old, that Global Climate Change is a fraud, that people cannot effect the climate with CO2 emissions, and that her Downs Syndrome child represents "perfection". She advocated teaching "Biblical Creationism" in public schools. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin also seem to think that the hardcore Hillary Clinton supporters will support Palin because of her gender, that Democratic women base their political support on gender, not the issues...
My question is: What planet do they live on to be this out of touch with reality?
Finally, when asked about her position on Iraq, Gov. Palin said she didn't know much about Iraq and had no interest in foreign policy...
Great one-heartbeat away material for the oldest man to ever run for President, eh? Egads!
August 30, 2008 7:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also from Politico:
The notion that Sarah Palin could quickly be thrust into the presidency is quickly becoming Democrats' main line of attack, and Eli Pariser of MoveOn puts it particularly clearly:
On his 72nd birthday, Senator McCain has chosen a VP based on her political currency rather than her ability to lead our country in a crisis. If John McCain wins in November, he'll be the oldest president in U.S. history, and Sarah Palin would be a heartbeat away from being our commander in chief. It's not only fair, but critical in this case, to ask if she's up for the job of commander in chief. We just can't afford a gamble like this with our future.
August 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well yeah!!!!
It's a bird's nest laying on the ground. If the Democrats didn't pick it up, I'd have a heart attack and fall in it!
I am really stunned that McLame did this -
August 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena: I think Andrew Sullivan had it right. It is all about McCain's vanity, and not being questioned, just another yes woman (Cindy being the first) and that is that.
August 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. Pretty much in a daze over it; no lie.
August 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The dems need to get even more specific than "up for the job of CiC." I'd like to see them say:
"It's not only fair but critical to ask what Palin knows about the Middle East, about Russia and Georgia, about national politics."
August 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough to make that point, but I think we need to see Palin for what she is - a DISTRACTION. I don't see her as a serious candidate. I just don't. The main focus of the policy debate should remain on McCain. Don't take the heat off of him.
August 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. It's just that when dems do speak about her qualifications, I would like them to be much more specific than 'no foreign policy experience.' They simply have to ask what she _knows_ about the state of the world at this moment. Does she know the difference between Hamas and Fatah, Sunni and Shia? Does she know even the names of the main tribal languages in Afghanistan?
August 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama didn't. He thought you could move translators from Iraq to Afghanistan.
Palin's limited executive experience is the ONLY executive experience among the four.
September 1, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree. I don't think this is serious at all.
August 29, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is wild. But then, the field was very small. They couldn't pick some one who knows more than McCain and it's pretty hard to find some one who knows less. It's pretty pathetic except that it's really scary. That's just it, isn't it? Who's pulling the strings? They need a puppet like Bush who will mostly do what his handlers tell him to do which is what it looks like McCain is willing to do. And they need a VP with so little experience that he/she couldn't possibly think independently. Scary? He's 72! God forbid that he should get elected and events make her the president! In no time at all...
August 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right - Putin's still around....
August 29, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read here that only weeks ago she had no clue what the vice president even does!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-july-2008-i-dont-even-know-what-the-vice-president-does/
“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does everyday?”
August 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read here that only weeks ago she had no clue what the vice president even does!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-july-2008-i-dont-even-know-what-the-vice-president-does/
“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does everyday?”
August 29, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It appears that the religious right think highly of McCain's choice. Probably the only choice that he could have made if he wanted to bring home that wing of his party.
I don't see that her addition changes things very much. She agrees with McCain so she isn't a change just more of the same on all the issues.
August 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's it, alright.
He's trying one last desperate shot at reeling in part of the Repug "base" - which is totally shattered. It's in a million pieces.
August 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although I try not to engage in too much schadenfreude, but Palin seems to be more of a James Stockdale pick than a Ferraro.
August 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Who am I? Why am I here?" Second most entertaining VP debate line ever, the first, of course, being, "You're no John Kennedy."
August 29, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stockdale succeeded in putting the fear of him possibly becoming President in the voters' conciousness. Kind of a "holy crap, if Perot kicks off this guy becomes President?" moment. I think that Palin will have the same kind of effect.
August 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Who am I? Why am I here?" Second most entertaining VP debate line ever, the first (for all time), of course, being, "Senator, you're no John Kennedy."
August 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The late James Stockdale was a Medal of Honor winner, an admiral, and college president and author of books.
August 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't a slam against Stockdale, but rather the reality that Stockdale became an Albatross around Perot's neck after the VP debate. Personally I liked Stockdale, but his performance all but killed Perot's chances.
August 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only are you beautiful, but you're smart, too. ;)
I think one of the funniest things I ever saw on SNL was the skit with Dana Carvey as Ross Perot and he's driving Admiral Stockdale out into the country, where he stops the car, opens the door and shoves Stockdale out and peels off.
August 29, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
My God, that was funny.
August 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I saw Stockdale in an interview well after the campaign was over, and was amazed at how sharp he was. The problem wasn't actually who he really was, but that he was completely unprepared for the debate and came off as a senile old man. (I heard that the Perot campaign didn't have anyone prep him or practice with him, but I don't know if that's true.)
August 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, not a Stockdale pick. I think she has the makings for this to have been a Calamity Jane pick, Calamity as sidekick to Walter Brennan.
August 29, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah must be one of those who Phil Gramm was thinking about when he called us a nation of whiners.
August 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lanny Davis' head just exploded.
http://pufferfish.typepad.com/
August 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget the video of Palin admitting she doesn't even know what the VP does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA&eurl
August 29, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, she smoked pot and hasn't said she still doesn't. I have no problem with pot smoking though, and if I were McCain's VP and had to deal with Cindy too, hell, bring me all the pot you can get your hands on.
August 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, naturally -
I had this talk once with a friend of mine who was sitting on a bench at that time and didn't take this well, but - I don't really hold presidents to the same standard I do judges - with judges, I expect them to not engage in the same shit that they sentence other people to jail for.
Presidents - I don't really give a shit except insofar as someone's judgment suffers - but actually it suffers a lot more with use of the prime legal recreation substance Americans use - booze.
August 29, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the Volokh Conspiracy (a blog run by a bunch of libertarian and conservative law profs):
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[David Post, August 29, 2008 at 1:01pm] Trackbacks
Sarah Who? I've always admired John McCain (though I have to say, in the interests of full disclosure, that I'm not voting for him this Fall); he was, by far, my favorite among the Republicans seeking the nomination, and I was delighted that he prevailed. I have to say, though, that his choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate is appalling and insulting to the American people. Perhaps it will turn out to be a political masterstroke, "energizing the base" and garnering lots of disaffected Clinton supporters; perhaps not. But to my mind, as a voter, the sole criterion for evaluating a candidate's VP choice is whether or not the candidate has picked someone who can plausibly be viewed as presidential timber and, no disrespect intended to Ms. Palin, who was apparently a decent mayor of Wasilla AK (pop. 9,000) and who has been serving as governor of Alaska for all of two years, McCain has failed miserably on that score. His recent complaints that Obama is too inexperienced to be President are not only fatally undercut by this choice, they look downright idiotic now -- coming from someone who would put Gov. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency. It is the grossest form of pandering -- what happened to "putting your country first"? This choice puts McCain's candidacy first and the fate of the country a very distant second, and he should be, and Ihope he is, punished by the electorate for having made it.
See http://volokh.com/
August 29, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clueless to the concept of irony the Oilbama team is trying to attack Palin’s “paltry” experience. They did this with a straight face. Did anyone think to check Oilbama's resume? As the media starts asking questions of Palin, which they have refused to ask of Oilbama, the discrepancy will become apparent and Oilbama will find himself in the spotlight. If the standard applies to Palin it must apply to Oilbama. Unlike Oilbama, Palin actually knows something about balancing a budget, getting the streets fixed, getting the trash picked up, and going after corrupt politicians and lobbyists.
Oilbama? Hell, he funneled money to the likes of Tony Rezko and did nothing to ensure that constituents in his district living in sub-standard housing were protected. And Barack’s one foray into “management” as the lackey of Bill Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge will be shown to have been a corrupt, insider trading scheme in which he helped steer money to cronies and ignored genuine education reform. That’s why is campaign is fighting so viciously to keep the media from looking at that part of his cuddling with unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.
August 29, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope ya gots lotsa budder cuz yo man is TOAST!
August 29, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama? Whatever... On another note, Palin could clearly hold her own dealing with the Irans, Koreas, and Putins of the world. (snark)
This is not good at all for McCain.
August 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so glad troll Dem BillC has clarified for us all what a President's primary responsibilities are: Fixing streets, getting the trash collected, prosecuting corrupt politicians. Now I feel much better about Palin in the White House. Her experience in these critical job duties will prove invaluable! Invaluable, I say!
August 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you are going to ape Larry Johnson word for bloody word you might at least do him the justice of a citation. Meanwhile, I am amused to see PUMA's like Johnson falling all over themselves to say nice things about Palin in light of the above.
August 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
20 months and a corruption investigation doth not a great executive make.
August 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aww, she was just pandering to the Bill Ayers crowd by having a policeman fired.
August 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also:
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[Russell Korobkin, August 29, 2008 at 1:29pm] Trackbacks
A Heartbeat Away: The homepage of the town of Wasila, Alaska (population 5469 as of the last census), has links to three news stories. The lead story, as you might expect, is that the town's former mayor, Sarah Palin, has been named John McCain's running mate. The second story announces the town's new website. The third advertises the "Baby and Me Lap Sit-Program at the Library."
Before serving as Wasila's mayor, Sarah Palin earned a B.A. at the University of Idaho, worked as a sports reporter for an Anchorage television station, and did commercial fishing with her husband.
At age 72, John McCain has already lived longer than his father, John McCain Jr., who died at age 70.
Sarah Palin looks like an interesting woman, but let's hope she doesn't have to stare down Vladamir Putin any time soon.
August 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain chooses his VP for political opportunity:
That's not a maverick, that's a panderer...
August 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it's the kind of pandering we can believe in!
August 29, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche.
August 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good call. It's a panderer, BIG TIME. A Hail Mary pass, and to me, a flipping joke.
But whaddo I know?
August 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
And as another added bonus, Palin is even a celebrity!
At least that's the opinion of the web site "Right Celebrity," which has soon-to-be-famous (I'm sure) photos of Sarah Palin's beauty pageant days, when she attained the high office of Miss Congeniality.
http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=3237
Pro-choice, anti-science, anti-environment and a pro-drilling ho for big oil! What more could the conservatives ask for?
KR
August 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice one, Governor Palin. Way to undermine your only usefulness to the ticket.
August 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never realized how shrewd and smart John McCain could be. In selecting Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as his running mate he dared the Democrats to make the case, as they have, that she’s not qualified because she “lacks foreign policy experience.” He understands that when the media decides to investigate Governor Palin they will be forced to conclude that she actually has more foreign policy experience than Oilbama. Sarah was in Germany visiting wounded troops long before Oilbama sought to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. She is a Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard and those troops have been in combat. Sarah Palin is way more qualified to be Commander in Cheif than Oilbama.
August 29, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLAMO! You iz the funniest parody troll evah!
August 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Tena, it is better even that that. He is just mindlessly copying and pasting stuff from Larry Johnson's blog and replacing all the instances of "Obama" with "Oilbama." In other words, not only are his jokes lame; they are not even his own lame jokes. He is reduced to plagiarizing other people's lame jokes. How pathetic is that...
August 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
O lord - I'll leave the poor thing alone.
August 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your such an embarassment of a lame troll. We need smarter nihilists than you, you're just some dumbass.
August 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
probably nothing but:
there is a website already up with current pix and campaign graphics:
www.vpilf.com
i thought it was just funny, but then noticed it was a prefab iweb template, that most of the entries had been done in the last two days, and that it had been registered in august even though entries go back to june. any chance this is some kind of demeaning viral marketing effort, or somehow linked to the campaign? (no evidence of this just curious if anyone has ideas on how to make sure.)
August 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not dissing Clniton, but she is creationist-friendly:
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html
Palin:
August 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
{me banging my head repeatedly against my keyboard}
August 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't bang too hard, or you'll be up for a Darwin award.
August 29, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Culling is part of the process.
August 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scoot over.
Let me join you.
August 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's like Huckabee but with better bone structure and without the comedy.
August 29, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best comment on the thread.
August 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary couldn't be the first woman president, there is no way in Hell she will stand by and allow a novice former beauty queen crack the glass ceiling. Obama's problem with the Clintons just became a huge plus for him. Hillary will be on fire campaigning for Obama.
People talk about how Palin will affect the women's vote. What they should be talking about is how it will affect the male vote. Lots of Republican men who were not fond of McCain but would vote for him are seriously pissed off right now.
August 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's actually a good point. She could actually drive some Republican men away. I heard Herr Krathammer on tv this morning before it was official saying she would be a terrible choice. There are lots of rightwing men who will be appalled.
August 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm curious if he still feels the same way now that the pick is official. The anger and outrage of the far right-wing at the thought of McCain being the nominee didn't last too long as I recall.
August 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, good comment on their supposed anger. Those who find her to be a skunk at the picnic will be compensated for by NASCAR types who think she's cute. And some women, most of them but not all not being very bright, will vote gender.
Just not enough to much matter.
August 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, just cruising the net for info, I have seen pictures of this woman in more fur than I thought possible. I am offended, and not a PETA member. She wears it like underwear.
August 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well it is Alaska.
August 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a woman whose primary enemies are polar bears. Combined with the Alaska factor, I'd expect her wardrobe to resembled Cruella De Ville's.
August 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about this from the New Republic, concerning Gov. Palin's alleged opposition to the BRIDGE TO NOWHERE:
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Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?
Republicans are touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials pretty heavily, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" trotted out as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight against the project? Here, after all, is what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, back when she was running for governor (via Nexis):
5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
She was very much for the bridge and seemed to be saying that Alaska had to act quickly—Ted Stevens and Don Young might not be around forever, you know! By that point, though, the bridge was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—it had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, and future federal funding seemed unlikely. Now, true, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't contain any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was simply trying to figure out where the project fit on the state's list of priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. She was quite gung-ho about squandering federal money, but state money was another bag of chips entirely. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to abandon the bridge project altogther with this sorry-sounding statement:
"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."
Maybe I've missed something, but it sure sounds like she was fine with the bridge in theory, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal money wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's reformist credentials are fairly solid (she sold off the governor's private jet upon taking office, for instance), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialistic state like Alaska), but this wasn't anything close to a "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment.
--Bradford Plumer
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/default.aspx
August 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only other claims she has to being a reformer are that she declined to endorse a Republican incumbent and had a policy against lobbyists coming into her office. Not exactly a crusading reformer.
August 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if McCain will call her a c*nt?
August 29, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, she's a ridiculous pick. But I have to believe she'll bring the same passion to the vice presidency that she does to hunting polar bears, so I'll give her a chance.
August 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I don't know! She looked pretty distracted on that stage! And she talked about anachronistic Alaskan state programs in a scratchy voice. That's her entree to Veep-dom? I figure she's alright with the Polar Bears and furs, but not road-ready for the current journey based on what I see!
"Governor! Look at the camera! The camera's over here, Governor. Can you see? Nice fur by the way. Governor? Governor?"
August 29, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I'd like to hear is Gov. Palin's opinion about Ted Stevens and Don Young, the other 2 wonders of the Alaska GOP. Also, she should be asked about the Alaskan "bridge to nowhere" that McCain so often mentions.
August 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also thought about this: Minnesota is in play here to go either way, and McCain just said f**k you to them. Way to go!!!
August 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Minnesotan, I don't think Pawlenty holds that kind of sway over the electorate. Even if he was chosen I still think Minnesota will be firmly in the Obama column.
August 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good news. As a former MN resident, I was amazed they have a Republican Governor, but then, we have Arnold, what a joke that is.
August 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arnold and Maria blow my mind almost as much as James Carville and Mary Matalin. Though all things considered, I guess Arnie is pretty moderate for a Republican.
August 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pawlenty got in because the Dem field was incredibly weak. Hell, I couldn't stand Moe and voted Green Party just to try to help them get their 5% (didn't happen). 2006 was close, but Hatch turned out not to be strong enough to win over the independants.
As for Arnie, he's learned some tough lessons and has become moderate enough where Republicans don't like him any more.
August 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. I just can't imagine MN going red. Maybe it's just the limitations of my imagination, but I don't think so.
August 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. I just can't imagine MN going red. Maybe it's just the limitations of my imagination, but I don't think so.
August 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you see it? Palin vs. Putin? Hockey mom vs. Hamas?
August 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you see it? Palin vs. Putin? Hockey mom vs. Hamas?
Also, I read somewhere else, well she brings "guns, babies and jesus" to the ticket.
August 29, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
doh, double post or something. sorry
August 29, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica Goodling, flashback
August 29, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice, she is already running around pandering about Hillary's "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling", while she is anti-Hillary, thinks Hillary is a whiner, and is against everything Hillary stood for! Sadly, I think Palin might actually be ok with her token role:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/08/mccains-shocking-choice-for-vp-sarah.html
August 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think an interesting point on this choice is that while it strengthens the tickets appeal to right wingers (who were/are skeptical of McCain), I think it seriously undermines his ability to capture the independent vote. By all measures, this woman is far right wing: a creationist, anti-choice, NRA, beauty queen (would Coulter have been the preferred choice?).
Also, it is cynical at best, and ignorant at worst to expect Hillary dems to come over to his camp.
Check
August 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
A few ads with Hillary saying "I'm not a whiner, and I'm voting for Barack Obama," and any hope McCain that Palin would poach votes from Obama goes right out the window.
This choice seems borderline crazy to me. I know people base their vote on who's on the top of the ticket, but can an independent look at this woman and say "Yeah, she's ready"?
August 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the "whiner" accusation dovetails so well with Gramm's comment.
August 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly.
The commercial can quote the two in succession and simply ask what kind of whiner one must be, then, to vote for Hillary AND think we are in more than a "mental recession."
August 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, Billy, Billy! "shrewd and smart"? I guess that's the best you could come up with after having to run and put on a clean pair of underwear. Maybe you really just have a great sense of humor, or maybe not. But the picks a joke. On you and the GOP.
August 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain's official statement says "Governor Palin... is ready to be president":
Okay, the guy is senile, he is unstable at the very least. My spouse, not a politically interested person, he even laughed at this statement.
August 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all seriousness, the Obama campaign should not attack her at all directly, at least on the experience issue. They need to attack McCain's judgment in choosing her. Hit it really hard, and it's easy to tie to age. And it's all legitimate.
Whatever attacks do fall on her should be scrupulously issue-based, like her bad positions on issues such as... well, everything.
August 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all seriousness, why in the world would you say that?
The woman has 0 experience. That is a very key issue - in fact, it is The Key Issue.
Look - we are in 2 wars, we have a broken economy, McLame is 72 years old and he just metaphorically picked my evangelical sister in law to be the person one breath away from being Commander in Chief of the entire United States Armed Forces.
Jesus Christ - experience is the Issue.
August 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have bad memories from the primaries, I guess, when Clinton had to debate Edwards and Obama and (so the talking heads say) everyone rallied to her because she was being picked on. Remember, that debate was against a very smart, accomplished woman who could more than hold her own against her competitors. If we have Biden attacking Palin's experience, it'd be that same effect magnified a hundred fold.
August 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disagree. She is totally lacking, it is the security issue all over again, and her cluelessness, NO experience, is the ONLY ISSUE, and should be shoved in her face. HRC had experience, this woman has a town of 5000. She is a joke.
August 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary seems the most suited attack-dog for this.
August 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So far, she's not biting.
Let's hope she picks up the slack ASAP.
August 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The women who Palin will attract are not really hard-core Hillary devotees. They're working-class moms, who might have voted for Hillary more by default than anything else.
August 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
August 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just had the strangest realization: my resume is better than Palin's. I say this _not_ to be self-aggrandizing. But if one substitutes any kind of executive experience for her mayoral experience and 1+ years as Governor -- I think it's fair to agree to the first substitution at least -- then quite literally I am, on paper, qualified to be a VP candidate. Plus I have graduate degrees, which I see she does not. Plus I played high-school basketball.
Millions of women around the country have to be thinking in these terms today.
August 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right! I was a cheerleader in grade school and high school, ran for City Council, picked for the Planning Commission, was on our county Ad Hoc committee, had three kids with normal names, was told I was the cutest girl on campus in college (that must compete with beauty queen in a town of 5000) and my spouse is with the D.A.'s office. I own a successful business and like polar bears.
Now I am offended he didn't pick me. Tena has to qualify too.
August 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, I ask, do you hunt? And have you ever posed for Vogue?
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fished when I was young, does that count? I posed for our new swimming and diving design in college (I stood on the high diving board), would that count?
August 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but is your last name "Barracuda"?
In just a few hours, skepticism seems to be seeping slowly into some of the MSM analysis of this pick. McCain may have just traded his VP pick and his experience argument for half a news cycle.
August 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, last name is Irish and married an Italian. I guess I am now disqualified. (:
August 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Were you "an outstanding point guard"? That was one of the biggest applause lines in McCain's roll-out speech.
If so, you may well be qualified to be a Republican veep. This is a crew that really likes sports. The secret bond between McCain and Palin -- both jocks.
August 29, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a matter of fact, I was an outstanding point guard, if I do say so myself.
It's so strange. It is one thing to marvel at the stupidity of Bush, Quayle, et al. But I wonder if Palin has ever had once had a serious discussion with anyone about the Middle East, for example. At least Bush had been in the room during some of these discussion. Although, never mind, this is not going in a good direction.
August 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best strat. would be to ignore her entirely and have Hillary make independent attacks on her as inexperienced and unfit to lead women forward. And then in the debates Biden should just hammer her on foreign policy.
The more anyone outside of Hillary talks about her the more the GOP comes out on top.
Check
August 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck this nonsense - I'm going to the grocery store. It's actually better than reading one comment after another with all kinds of worry and trepidation over this Barbie of a veep pick.
Lord god - Quit the fuck running scared of Repugs and our useless attack poodle press.
We have won this motherfucking election already.
August 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reality is that she is such a weak candidate you do not need to attack her. She is a joke, it is clear, and the strategy is to bait the Dems. Isn't this clear to you? The GOP is good at this game, don't sell them short...
August 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get it - I get it. Driving around the backroads of Taos helped clear my head on that - you're right.
Barackarate.
She's pathetic.
August 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, if I were running for president, I would want you as veep. Not because you're a woman, but because you'd be a hell of an attack dog, and you'd always speak truth to power.
You're like . . . Biden!!
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
But she gets pissed off sooo easily!
August 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not nearly as easily as I used to.
I don't break dishes anymore.
August 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and, the election is far from over. I'm sure you said the same thing in August '00, '04.
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been about 3 hours since Palin was named and the ridiculousness of this pick has not worn off. The more I hear the pundits try to spin it, the worse it gets.
Don't bother trying to explain the upside of this clown. This pick was bad from the second it was announced and it is going to get worse with age.
I am embarrassed for Republicans.
August 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The populist right and the "serious" center-right are going to fight between themselves over this pick. Those of us on the left may want to just get out of the way and let them go at it for a whole.
Palin is likable and down-to-earth, and she'll play well with a lot of voters. I think it would be a real mistake to say things that might seem condescending.
But a lot of center-right pundits' heads are going to pop. Joe Scarborough, Ron Fournier -- I count him as a pundit, not a reporter. Even Mark Halperin has come out and pretty much said that McCain blew it.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837514,00.html
And I'm guessing that in a few days, someone is going to find David Brooks next to an empty bottle of sleeping pills.
I don't see a big percentage in targeting Palin, when the MSM is willing to do the job for us. I think we just keep attacking McCain and Bush.
August 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
AAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~
Voters aren't that stupid.
We've had 8 fuckingn years of an unprepared president. Give the voters some credit - they are not going to be comfortable with Miss Congeniality a heartbeat from being in charge.
Please people - for the love of god - fall all over this ridiculous pick - don't be polite. There's nothing to be polite about.
I can't stand it. Good fucking god - we were just handed one huge fucking gift!
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A tremendous August surprise, happy B day John 72 y.o. McCain!
August 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, I agree that we were just handed a gift. The Democrats really got inside McCain's head, and we've tempted him to make a pretty big mistake.
I'm just saying that this gift will unwrap itself without a whole lot of help.
August 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that derision should be polite and orderly. There are already all sorts of man-haters on other sites saying it's no surprise Democrats dismisss Palin as well, after they just stole the election from St. Hillary, blah-blah.
And I do agree as well that this choice is patently ridiculous.
August 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, you promised us you'd be going to the grocery store! GTFOH!
August 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin isn't a "maverick" choice by McCain either-- maverick would have been choosing Lieberman or Ridge and telling Rush and Rove "to hell with you." McCain picked someone who would have the extreme right-wing's stamp of approval.
August 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually like her as a pick. I love the whining comment about the clintons. Too funny. Dems better be careful how they go after her. She is very likeable, unlike mcbush. I think that this was a shrewd and smart pick by mcbush. Much better pick than any of the other front runners.
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
CONSPIRACY THEORY:
Maybe McCain has floated Palin out there as a feint, to excite the base and hustle Obama into making a huge deal about the lack of experience. In a short time, Palin withdraws (citing the scandal, her young child, whatever), and McCain appoints someone with better (well, ANY) credentials. Then, in their minds, they have demonstrated his commitment to women and the conservatives, while backing Obama into a corner regarding the importance of significant foreign policy experience.
Any takers?
August 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just the kind of terrible scheming BS that makes me like the GOP. That would be sweet, seriously. I mean, once your soul is gone, and you have a huge debt to pay, you should stop at nothing to get an election done.
(And for any one who thinks this can't happen, remember the Harriet Meyers/John Roberts seq of events.)
August 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
er, no.
August 29, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid I can't bite at that one (though it's a creative construction!). It would make McCain's campaign look too chaotic too close to the election. And I'm not sure why Palin would agree to occupy the role of political pawn and afterthought.
August 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too close to the election-looks chaotic and just plain assinine. Think McGovern/Eagleton/Shriver in '72. In reverse of course...
August 29, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I think the Obama camp is better off not pushing the inexperienced meme. Let the MSM do it. I'm sure there'll be no shortage of that.
And I'm not saying that 'cuz I believe in your conspiracy theory. I just think it's better coming from outside the Obama camp.
August 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary was a candidate of mine and Palin, you're NO Hillary Clinton!
August 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And her response is thank you, thank you very much. Why on earth would she want to be a hillary clinton clone? Puleeez.
August 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
not a gutsy pick on McCain's part at all. I would bet it wasn't even his idea. This is marketing. It's a family out of central casting.
The poster-mom who has the poster-son going off to war. And on top of that, she just gave birth to a poster-baby with Down's syndrome. (It's a powerful anti-abortion message.)
This is a disingenuous marketing strategy. Don't misunderstand me, I respect them as a family.
I don't respect what the neocons are using them for.
August 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be so bleeding respectful, alright?! It's annoying!
August 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and the poster-unmarried daughter who is poster-pregnant?
I get your point - but that family ain't as 'Ozzie & Harriet' as the GOP wants us to think.
August 29, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a thought -- what will this do for Bob Barr's campaign? For any smart and self-respecting Republican out there, who truly believes in turning this economy around and dealing with our international problems and can't bring him/herself to voting Dem, it would be natural to just vote for the Libertarian, all the while knowing that Obama's going to win.
August 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign needs to stay away from that experience shit. We don't have to hit her there, we can hit her on the issues and let the rest fall into play. There will be enough people questioning her qualifications already.
The Obama-Biden joint statement was the right response. The first campaign statement gets an F and whoever OK'd it needs to be fired at once or at least slapped around a bit.
August 29, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO, NO, NO.
The whole POINT of having communications staff is that they can carry out the attacks, while the candidates themselves can directly say high-minded things.
The Dems have to go after this pick.
Sure, the GOP will try to flip the experience argument back at Obama. Obama's not running on experience! He's running on superior judgment and temperament.
Meanwhile, all the Obama campaign has to do is ask a simple question: If something happens to McCain, how do you feel about President Palin?
August 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could not agree more. Every single Repug man I know just had fifty coronies when he heard this.
This is not going to bring McLame votes - it's going to cost him votes.
August 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was the best thing could have done for McCain. His other potential picks lacked the biological imperatives requried. The intent was to go after the Women who supported Hillary and were upset with the Democratic party and mostly Obama for not selecting her as his VP. Now McSame can claim he is the Maverick. He believes in Change. Who did the Dems pick, an old washington insider when they could have selected the best woman candidate ever. The dems and Obama let you down, it was his choice. I McSame walk the walk.
He only has to pull in 5% of the women voters to make a difference in the election. That is not a lot. I want to again congradulate the Obamites for fighting so hard against Hillary. Did any of you think about what would happen in McSame picked a woman for VP?/ No, probably not. That is why we are blogging instead of working in the field.
August 29, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worst. Argument. Ever.
If the McCain campaign were picking a woman just to pick a woman, Kay Bailey Hutchinson is the obvious choice.
The McCain campaign picked Palin to try to win a news cycle. They're *hoping* to pull disaffected Clinton voters who specifically voted for Clinton only because they wanted a woman in the White House.
The only problem is, the vast majority of Clinton voters wanted Clinton for reasons not solely or primarily related to gender. Those voters believed that Clinton had much greater experience than Obama. What's the selling point to THOSE women, given Palin's infinitesimally thin resume?
August 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If the McCain campaign were picking a woman just to pick a woman, Kay Bailey Hutchinson is the obvious choice."
*Correctimundo.* That had me so scared I didn't much discuss it here because I worried he could win with her. But I think Kay felt differently and told Johhny to hit the bricks.
She wants to be governor of Texas, not road kill.
August 29, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign needs to stay away from that experience shit. We don't have to hit her there, we can hit her on the issues and let the rest fall into play. There will be enough people questioning her qualifications already.
The Obama-Biden joint statement was the right response. The first campaign statement gets an F and whoever OK'd it needs to be fired at once or at least slapped around a bit.
August 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Stick to the issues, show her respect, and let surrogates and pundits hash out the sheer ridiculousness of choosing this clown.
August 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Keith:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/olbermann-rips-ap-reporte_n_122290.html
August 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I predict that the howling and whining we hear from the Oilbama campaign about Billy Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist who bombed the US. Capitol and has been linked to candidate Obama at least for the last dozen years, will get louder, and more hysterical and more damaging because we will find that not only did Billy Ayers work closely with Barack Oilbama to fund left wing school schemes in the hands of Maoists (Mike Klonsky) and Neo-Stalinists (Bill Ayers) but also Billy Ayers himself, now, regularly, is talking part in strategy sessions with major Oilbama advisers as to how to bury the truth about the terrorist and the candidate.”
August 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, little green guy, you messed up your NoQuarter cut and paste. You left in an "Obama".
Now get back under your bridge, and don't come out again until you put that paper bag on.
August 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Palin, the whole is equal to LESS than the sum of the parts. This is a "Hail Mary" pick that McCain and his nursing home attendants will be debating and dissecting for years after Obama's electon.
August 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone think that this maybe... just maybe is all a head fake?
They want McCain to look like she is supportive of woman's rights - but then she will "drop out" after the scrutiny of her controversy as well as "taking care of my down syndrome child".
I can see it now - "As much as I would love to serve my country, I have come to the realization that now is not that time for me with my child and issues in Alaska I cannot leave them with. I applaud McCain for his support of women, and wish him best of luck in the campaign."
Then McCain gets to look like some woman-lover and pick who he actually wanted all along: Romney.
August 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been mentioned upthread and I think it is possible. Nothing would surprise me at this point. But I think it would do more harm than good. It would make McCain's campaign look confused.
August 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't wait to see what George Will has to say about this. He blasted the pick of Harriot Myers on the grounds that she did not have the credentials.
There is a part of the Republican party that likes to think of themselves as dispassionate analytical thinkers that vale competence above all else. They are going to be mighty offended by this pick.
August 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually respect George Will. I don't share his politics, but he at least adheres to a certain rational, intellectual tradition that the Republicans have thrown out the window in the last 20 years.
August 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, maybe I was hallucinating. But I swear Lindsay Graham just defended Palin to Wolf Blitzer by saying that if she could take on Ted Stevens, she can take on the Russians.
August 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I saw that. HAHAHAHAHA! He can barely spit out the talking points with a straight face.
August 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Little off-topic.
Answering a question about whether or not Palin had any national security experience, Lindsey Graham said:
"If Gov. Palin can take on Ted Stevens, she can take on the Russians."
An absurd comparison for sure. But it worries me that the McCain campaign keeps inserting how dangerous Russia is into our national dialogue.
August 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daisy ad, daisy ad time.
August 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess it's a clever line, but it sure is one vacuous idea. Don't they *feel* like a bunch of buffoons talking like this?
August 29, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
She made one heck of a mayor of that whistle stop in the permafrost, and even though she was for the bridge to nowhere before opposing it, she took stands on that issue!
I'm so enthused about her that I'm tempted to get out my atlas and try to figure out where Alaska is, by golly!
August 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The way to attack this pick is to attack McCain as a liar. He has gone all over the country saying Obama is not experienced enough to be president. Now he picks a woman who two years ago was the mayor of a town of 6,500 people in Alaska. Was he lying about the experience issue or has he changed his mind? It is just another example of how he is no different from Bush/Cheney not being truthful with the American people, and shows McCain will say anything to the American people to get elected.
August 29, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary created 18,000,000 cracks in the glass ceiling...
according to wikipedia,
Palin created 114,697 cracks.
August 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a team, McCane and Pailin' are horrible. Did you see their announcement? He couldn't give her a credible look of enthusiasm. Their body language together was painful. They fail the "comfort" test.
Compare that to how downright giddy Obama and Biden seem in each other's presence. Now that's a team!
August 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
She looked horrible as well. She seemed to want to kiss her at one point, but she was wheeling around nervously, not really smiling. People behind them looked off balance as well.
They looked dreadfully uncomfortable with one another, as you say.
But some of that will wear off.
August 30, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a Clinton supporter who is now ever so slightly leaning toward Obama (or not voting at all, never McCain) this pick makes for the perfect storm of confusion. On both sides there is immesne uncertainty now. Unless there is something trule horrific in Palin's background this will still be a close race as people become more familiar with her in the coming weeks. If she should do well against Biden in the debate all bets are off.
This is still about the swing voters. Emily's list will support her, if she seems competent enough some of the more moderate and conservative Clinton supporters might gravitate to her.
As a skeptic I have to say that Obama's speech was not persuasive. He seemed to be playing to the choir. Some of his statements and promises gave me pause.
This pick should doom McCain. But with the market already in turmoil over Obama my guess is that there are still many instances of unintended consequences still to come.
August 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emily's list will support her [Palin]
FAIL.
Palin is opposed to abortion, even in the event of rape and/or incest. What in the world are you even talking about?
August 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we're all trying to figure out how this affects the race. In truth, VP picks rarely have *that* much of an effect either way. But it's an interesting story.
One detail: Emily's list won't support her. Their mission statement is very specific about supporting "pro-choice Democratic women." Having ovaries is not by itself enough.
If I were the Dems I would mostly hold fire for a week or so, aside from pointing out that she's awfully far to the right. There's going to be an initial infatuation period. There aren't a whole lot of politicians in the system who can be described as "snowmobile-driving mothers of five who have posed for Vogue," and if I know Americans, they fall hard for "interesting."
But gradually the press will start asking the (obvious) questions about preparedness (and perhaps even compare her abuse of power in Troopergate to Bush's abuse of power), and then will be the time for Diane Feinstein (or someone) to point out that this pick says terrible things about McCain's judgment.
August 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Do not help lower expectations any further. That's the plan!
August 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emily's List? The "Supporting pro-choice Democratic women" Emily's List?
Are you high?
August 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emily's list will support her [Palin]
FAIL.
Palin is opposed to abortion, even in the event of rape and/or incest. What in the world are you even talking about?
August 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Clinton supporter who is now ever so slightly leaning toward Obama (or not voting at all, never McCain) this pick makes for the perfect storm of confusion. On both sides there is immesne uncertainty now. Unless there is something trule horrific in Palin's background this will still be a close race as people become more familiar with her in the coming weeks. If she should do well against Biden in the debate all bets are off.
This is still about the swing voters. Emily's list will support her, if she seems competent enough some of the more moderate and conservative Clinton supporters might gravitate to her.
As a skeptic I have to say that Obama's speech was not persuasive. He seemed to be playing to the choir. Some of his statements and promises gave me pause.
This pick should doom McCain. But with the market already in turmoil over Obama my guess is that there are still many instances of unintended consequences still to come.
August 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you joking? Emily's List will support an anti-choice candidate who does not even believe in abortion in cases of rape or incest?
Pass the pipe, dude.
August 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This story needs to be passed around and talked about quickly. She was FOR the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. This should be big!
Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):
Q: Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Palin: Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
August 29, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably a better hunter than Cheney,...
August 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably a better hunter than Cheney,...
maybe she knows if Iraq is east or west of Alaska?
August 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch. Clyburn compares Palin to Quayle and Ferraro:
August 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch. Clyburn compares Palin to Quayle and Ferraro:
August 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose the next thing we'll hear is that Palin will choose Dick Cheney as her Administrative Assistant.
August 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
People! Lower expectations of Gov. Palin at our common peril! Hit her on the issues.
August 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, exactly.
August 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will use Palin to hit McCain on the issue of his judgment using her experience as evidence.
She's nothing to us if not a way to get at the warmongering hypocrite.
August 29, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hehe: http://andrewgraham.tumblr.com/post/47947939/esandberg-mikehudack
August 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Palin is a female George W. Bush, and we know where he ended up.
Palin is firing up the far-right base, which means they are now going to contribute time and money and effort to McCain, where before they were sullen and uninspired. That is bad news for Dems.
Palin will be a darling of the media. She's hot, she's new, she's a sexy, pistol-packing momma who looks like Tina Fey. She will get a ton of coverage and most of it will be very positive. Count on it.
Palin will be difficult for the media and the Obama campaign to criticize without coming across as condescending and/or sexist. Hell, they will be accused of being condescending and sexist no matter what they say or do.
Watch out. The freeper base is fired up.
August 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad they are already doing everything you said they won't.
August 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Palin is the female equivalent of George W. Bush.
I will shudder if she even gets close winning.
But never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
August 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree never underestimate. Why *any* intelligent person apart from W's parents could have voted for him in 2000 to be President, for example, defies all logic to me. Yet the press reported people calling the arrogant gross incompetent a "Mazerati."
A lot of idiotic people are going to come forward, saying, "You know, I actually like her!"
August 30, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palin seems to me like Clarence Thomas with a dress: conventional, non-threatening ideologue with minimal experience and a brewing scandal
Think about it....
the cynicism of it all is breathtaking!
August 29, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a little uncomfortable about all the crowing and chest-beating going on. The Dems don't want to lower the bar so much that all Palin has to do is avoid major gaffes and McCain ends up looking like a genius.
August 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do see a future for McCain and Palin as characters in a new season of Northern Exposure.
August 29, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I nuts, or did McCain just nominate a younger version of his wife Cindy to be Vice President of the United States? Let's look at the Tale of the Tape:
Signicantly younger? Yep, McCain just turned 72, Cindy is 54, Palin is 44.
Former beauty queen? Yep, Cindy was "Junior Rodeo Queen of Arizona"; Palin was "Miss Wasilla" and runner-up of the "Miss Alaska" pageant.
Businesswoman? Yep, Cindy is chairman of her family's beer distributorship, one of the largest in the country; Palin owned a commercial fishing business with her husband.
Socially conservative? Yep, both women are social conservatives.
Masculine hobbies? Yep, Cindy is an amateur pilot and race car driver; Palin hunts, fishes, rides snowmobiles and owns a floatplane.
Special needs child? Yep, Cindy found her adopted daughter Bridget at an orphanage in Bangladesh for cyclone survivors; Palin's son Trig has Down's Syndrome. (Note: I'm not knocking the ladies for caring for special needs children, just the opposite; however, is it just a coincidence as far as McCain's judgment is concerned?)
Minor drug issues? Yep, Cindy was once addicted to prescription pain-killers; Palin once used marijuana, but states that she didn't like it.
Whiff of scandal? Yep, Cindy and her father invested in a shopping center project with Charles Keating of "Keating Five" fame; Palin is under investigation for allegedly firing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner because he refused to dismiss her former brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper.
I'm not saying these women are bad people, per se, but isn't it eerie that McCain apparently feels that the same qualities and attributes that make someone an acceptable spouse for himself are the same qualities and attributes that would make someone an acceptable VP of the USA?
August 29, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I nuts, or did McCain just nominate a younger version of his wife Cindy to be Vice President of the United States? Let's look at the Tale of the Tape:
Signicantly younger? Yep, McCain just turned 72, Cindy is 54, Palin is 44.
Former beauty queen? Yep, Cindy was "Junior Rodeo Queen of Arizona"; Palin was "Miss Wasilla" and runner-up of the "Miss Alaska" pageant.
Businesswoman? Yep, Cindy is chairman of her family's beer distributorship, one of the largest in the country; Palin owned a commercial fishing business with her husband.
Socially conservative? Yep, both women are social conservatives.
Masculine hobbies? Yep, Cindy is an amateur pilot and race car driver; Palin hunts, fishes, rides snowmobiles and owns a floatplane.
Special needs child? Yep, Cindy found her adopted daughter Bridget at an orphanage in Bangladesh for cyclone survivors; Palin's son Trig has Down's Syndrome. (Note: I'm not knocking the ladies for caring for special needs children, just the opposite; however, is it just a coincidence as far as McCain's judgment is concerned?)
Minor drug issues? Yep, Cindy was once addicted to prescription pain-killers; Palin once used marijuana, but states that she didn't like it.
Whiff of scandal? Yep, Cindy and her father invested in a shopping center project with Charles Keating of "Keating Five" fame; Palin is under investigation for allegedly firing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner because he refused to dismiss her former brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper.
I'm not saying these women are bad people, per se, but isn't it eerie that McCain apparently feels that the same qualities and attributes that make someone an acceptable spouse for himself are the same qualities and attributes that would make someone an acceptable VP of the USA?
August 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yeah. And when you add Vicki Iseman into that equation, it gets extra creepy.
August 29, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all the comparisons to Quayle and Clarence Thomas it might be worth remembering that they both got into office despite their problems.
August 29, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vogue Cover Girl
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RNC's calling for contributions of Viagra in lieu of cash
August 29, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a firm Obama supporter and find McCain's nomination of Palin to be utterly cycnical, exploitative, and demeaning. Nonetheless, Palin ostensibly saying that Hilary was "whining" is not an appropriate tack to follow; this is not what she was saying – rather, she suggested that it may be a perception of hers, that she does not necessarily agree with – and it will only hurt us if we say it was. There are countless means by which to attack her – and, more precisely, McCain, for the mockery by which he chose her –, and this should not be one of them, quite unfortunately.
August 29, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a firm Obama supporter and find McCain's nomination of Palin to be utterly cycnical, exploitative, and demeaning. Nonetheless, Palin ostensibly saying that Hilary was "whining" is not an appropriate tack to follow; this is not what she was saying – rather, she suggested that it may be a perception of others, that she does not necessarily agree with – and it will only hurt us if we say it was. There are countless means by which to attack her – and, more precisely, McCain, for the mockery by which he chose her –, and this should not be one of them, quite unfortunately.
August 29, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Palin_on_Israel.html#comments
August 29, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama's only accomplishment in the Senate was to vote for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill. He has Zero experience, period.
Sarah Palin has much more experience than empty suit Oilbama and I am sure she could kick his skinny whiny little ass. She is the true meaning of Hope and Change, not Oilbama.
Great pick for McCain.
August 29, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the fuck do you call him Oilbama, troll? Sarah Palin is 100% bought and paid for shill of the oil industry, troll. She lives, breathes, takes money from, and works the oil ministry day and night. Oil, oil, oil, troll. That's your Sarah, troll, all oil all the time. You an oil man, yourself, troll?
Sarah = Big Oil, troll. Don't let nobody tell you different, troll. Sarah the beauty queen from Big Oil. Corruption investigation moving ahead on the Oil Queen, troll!
August 30, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
ImBillcile:
Sounds like McCain is your guy and Palin your gal. You've made yout choice. Good luck with that.
August 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
ketz87 - when noticing the similarities between Palin and Cindy McCain, I'm surprised you overlooked the most obvious one -- they both have the same hairdo - a beehive. They are possibly the only 2 women left in America wearing a beehive.
It's the first thing I noticed.
Beware a resurgence of the beehive look - it would be a sign that women are falling for McCain's ploy.
August 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, Sara F.
McCain has such a time warp view of women that he has now, consciously, or inadvertently, visually doubled down.
I can't imagine that it is a good thing. When the three of them are seen together -- ancient McCain with a Barbie doll on each arm -- it will only accentuate: a) his age; b) that the women he selects to support him can only come in one model -- the plastic surgery one with 80's big hair.
What a vision McCain presents for moving into the future.
August 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Palin. Hillary was whining about the boys picking on her and that they were being sexist. Can you imagine Obama or McCain or Romney ( who was picked on in debates by everyone) complaining about that. That made many of us women cringe.
Say this for Palin: She made it on her own. Unlike Clinton, was elected on the coattails of her famous husband.
I suspect Palin is a lot tougher than some people here are giving credit for. I'm sorry - a woman just don't become a governor of a testosterone-laden stated unless she's tough.
August 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Palin. Hillary was whining about the boys picking on her and that they were being sexist. Can you imagine Obama or McCain or Romney ( who was picked on in debates by everyone) complaining about that. That made many of us women cringe.
Say this for Palin: She made it on her own. Unlike Clinton, who was elected on the coattails of her famous husband.
I suspect Palin is a lot tougher than some people here are giving credit for. I'm sorry - a woman just don't become a governor of a testosterone-laden stated unless she's tough.
August 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sen. Clinton's initial comment might just be setting the stage for a sucker punch, kind of like saying "McCain is a great hero for his service, BUT..."
August 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's one Democrat,and one only, that can confront the GOP innoculation of Palin based on her gender ("you're attacking a woman"). And who can take a firm stand, spell out exactly why Sarah Palin is not a candidate whose positions should any women voters, and certainly not anyone who supported......Hillary Clinton.
She's the only one who can do, she's innoculated by Palin herself.
So, this might if needed be yet another defining moment for Hillary to show her allegiance to a Democratic victory.
August 30, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give me a break. Why do you want Hillary to do Obama's dirty work? He has made his choice. Let us see if he has chops. Bill, Bush'es, Reagan all had to make it on their own to reach where they were, not counting on their predecessars or competitors solely. I would most likely vote for Obama but let him earn my vote by making his case. That will give me confidence. It is democracy after all.
I am independent (leaning democrat), professional woman. Women have to fight twice as hard to reach a high position as it is. I have seen it first hand at every step of the way. Let Obama sink or swim on his own (with Biden) rather than reaching to the pinnacle on Hillary's shoulders, especially since he did not select her as VP.
pnnj
August 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
An 80% approval rating while 87% of Alaskans are positive that she's lying about her hand in having or trying to have her ex brother-in-law fired. Governor Palin appears to be very well-spoken, an advocate of political reform and yes a self-described hockey mom. But she's also a blatant liar who didn't think her plan to attempt to cover up her oldest daughters pregnancy would ever come back to haunt her.
August 31, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Raw Story news site: McCain VP pick laughed as radio host called Alaskan Senator a 'b*tch' and a 'cancer'
If you go to the link for the radio show/audio, you'll see a photo of these 2 DJs against a background of people flipping the bird to the camera -- just what America needs @ this time.
An experienced, mature politician would have rejected the DJ's profanity/hate talk characterization of the politician Palin had a grievance with.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_VP_pick_laughs_as_radio_0830.html
August 31, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Raw Story news site: McCain VP pick laughed as radio host called Alaskan Senator a 'b*tch' and a 'cancer'
If you go to the link for the radio show/audio, you'll see a photo of these 2 DJs against a background of people flipping the bird to the camera -- just what America needs @ this time.
An experienced, mature politician would have rejected the DJ's profanity/hate talk characterization of the politician Palin had a grievance with.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_VP_pick_laughs_as_radio_0830.html
August 31, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is funny. This is not a full quote. Only pick out one word and hoping Hillary supporters (in particular) and democrats annoyed with Palin's word. What Palin was saying was that one "can't complain about press coverage, because it comes across as whining. One has to work harder to over come it." Typical out of context attack news...
August 31, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is funny. This piece only quote one word "whining". Why not quote the whole thing? The recap of Gov. Palin is out of context in hoping that Hillary supporters (in particular) and democrats dislike Gov. Palin's comment. Very interesting. Typical attack.... just like Obama stretched the truth on McCain. If he is so cool and truthful, he would not have to stretch the truth at all.
August 31, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talk about a waste of cyberspace. What an insignificant topic...what someone's VP pick said about someone's non-VP pick...what an upstart said about a dynast...
Big deal. This isn't a tabloid, is it? Maybe it is. He said, she said etc.
September 1, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink