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Even Fox News Refuses To Run Slime Ad Against Obama
How bad does a wingnut ad attacking Obama have to be for Fox News to refuse to run it?
The Associated Press reports that Fox News is declining to run the new ad from the "American Issues Project," a new right-wing swift-boating operation, connecting Obama to former 1960s radical William Ayers.
This may be because the ad accused Ayers of participating in a bombing of the U.S. Capitol, despite there being no evidence he ever did such a thing. So if Fox were to run it, they'd be open to a potential lawsuit for slander.
Looks like even Fox has its limits!
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Sumpin's going on at Fox News.
Chris Wallace forgot himself and turned into a real journalist not long ago.
August 21, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he earned consideration for a seat at the adults table.
August 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS Corp's stock has tumbled 35% in the last year. It took a big dip between mid-June and early July.
Maybe Chris Wallace is worried that the market for bullshit is drying up.
August 21, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I thought.
Some time back I said: the media will follow the money and Obama has raised a shit load.
They know he's going to win. Watch them all turn like leaves in the autumn, and be all lefty before it's all said and done.
It's the money, honeys. Fox has no ideals -
August 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe McCain is sitting somewhere right now, bitterly clinging to his nine sets of house keys :)
August 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, he's most likely shining the buckle on his 'Gamos.
August 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA!!!! I bet Hannity will still play it for free.
August 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
As he should! The American people need to know all about Obama. The polls show they are beginning to find out but much more work to do.
August 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puma, what does ayers have to do with obama? NOTHING.
I agree that the american people need to know all about obama, not lies and distortions. Same thing goes for mcbush, whom we know nothing about and who gets a free pass. Same thing with the clintons. Let's get the library donor list now, full disclosure is always good. What do you think?
August 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea, you totally should tell your friends that Obama regularly eats Jewish babies, throws puppies off of cliffs, and raps on the weekends about his grills, money and hoes..
August 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's ho's.
Not garden implements.
Ahem. That's like Mr. Tena asking me last week who Dr. Dre is.
{{{{SOB}}}}
August 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can imagine the exchange now...
Mr. Tena: Honey, who's Dr. Dre?
Tena: (Blink. Blink. Blink.)
Funny.
August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a little stunned. I had asked for the Dr. Dre earphones for Christmas and he said: What? And I told him about the earphones and he said: Who's Dr. Dre.
I pounded my forehead on the table - we were in a lovely little cafe in Arroyo Seco at the time, sitting outside under an apricot tree - I couldn't believe my ears.
Goddamn the food was good in that place.
August 21, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I gotta ask. Who is dr. dre? I guess I am in the same league as mr. tena.
August 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to help.
August 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw Jesus.
Google The Chronic.
Go where it takes you.
August 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the best albums of all time. For sure top 3 of the 90's.
August 22, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
exactly... of course hannity will play it for free. He probably plays it on dvd back to back when he at home, while sitting next to the new yorker cover
Cindy McCain’s Mother Teresa Story A LIE!!!
August 21, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
He did, last night on Hannity and Colmes.
August 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hannity and Colmes, a proverbial bastion of smear and deception - thats about right.
August 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It goes well beyond the Keating Five
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/23/it-goes-well-beyond-the-keating-five/
August 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, McCain is on a roll today. Another rush to yesterday that failed!
August 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
trust me, i'm sure the 527 will change the ad just enough to make it acceptable to fox and then, they'll run it five times an hour every day from now till the election
August 21, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since the ad accuses William Ayers of doing a crime he was neither convicted of or accused of, I imagine the 527 will soon be sued by Ayers. That is right, you can't slander and defame people in the United States that are not running for office and who are not a public figure.
August 21, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you can't really slander a person who is a public figure, either. It's just that you can cut it a lot closer with someone who is a public figure.
;)
August 21, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just for the record, see Amelie's post below... they're not a 527. They're a 501c(4).
(That's bad.)
August 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
August 22, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh...that's interesting. Not surprising that Fox doesn't want to open itself up to legal liability, though. Even more than conservatism, they're committed to profits, because that's the directive Murdoch has given them.
August 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama Camp better still be out swinging tomorrow - you have to keep at it if you want it to stick.
August 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but it has to have a slightly new angle to pick up any traction.
August 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe something about him forgetting to pay taxes four years in a row on one of the houses?
"Senator McCain sometimes has trouble keeping up with how many houses he has. That's why from [whenever] to [whenever], he failed to pay $[whatever amount] in taxes and got away with it. But not all American taxpayers have that option. That's why Barack Obama is offering a broad, middle class tax cut that will etc."
Seems like a solid enough tack to take it.
August 21, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Or they could start digging up old quotes then just keep tying it to the current gaffe. For example, when he said we are better off now than we were before the Bush administration.
August 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never understood, how come the actual candidates don't narrate their own commercials?
August 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same reason they get surrogates to dish out the most negative attacks. If there is a major backlash, its easier to distance themselves from it.
August 21, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
WaPo is speculating that Obama may delay the VP announcement in order to mine the comedy gold that is 'seven houses.'
Make hay while the sun shines, I say.
August 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry -- tomorrow is probably veep annoucement day. Dontcha think?
August 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or Saturday at the rally in Springfield where Obama announced his own candidacy...
August 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised that this pushback is too low for Fox. Now let's look at how Drudge is helping McCain on this. Just up. "Suspicious white powder found in McCain's offices...developing..." How convenient is that? Am I being cynical in suspecting that this might be a little of that "Straight Talk" that McCain is so famous for? What if it's just a little white lie? Can we believe this white powder story when it seems too convenient by half? And what does this say about Matt Drudge going forward in this campaign? Is Matt Drudge destroying his brand in a desperate attempt to help John McCain out of a political jam?
August 21, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
From a Crooks and Liars blog response -
August 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, and that notorious fbi agent launched investigations of rove's client's opponents right before elections and then surprise, surprise he dropped the investigations after the elections, after rove's clients won. Pathetic.
August 21, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McoCain. Experiments you can trust.
August 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Hillary's campaign was falling apart, in steps Maggie Williams who turned around her campaign and if there were more contest, hillary may have pulled out the nomination.
John McCain's campaign was floundering and in comes Steve Schmidt. Since his arrival, the campaign has taken on and become a more aggressive, on message, cohesive group. The campaign and the Repugs are confident that they can win, where as a few months ago they thought the hopes for the white house was all but gone.
I believe that BO can win in Nov, but he never adjusted well and fast enough when Maggie took over and the kitchen sink was thrown at him, and he seems to be repeating the same mistake, responding softly as soon as Steve Schmidt started to attack him over the last 3-4 weeks.
The polls have tighten as a result and unlike in the primaries, BO cant run out the clock. It seems to me that his campaign didnt learn from their mistakes in the last few primary races with Hillary, namely, when you have been punched, you punch back and you punch back harder than they punched you.
It shouldnt have taken an outcry from the Dems to get BO to go on the attack. He and his campaign should have been in attack mode a week after he came back from his Europe trip.
BUt there is time and one thing we know about the BO campaign, they have to be kicked a bit before they get rolling and i hope what i saw from BO and the campaign today was their way of saying they are tired of getting kicked.
August 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it was the outcry from Dems that got Obama where he is today in regards to attacking McCain. I think they thought a third term of Bush would take them into the convention, but McCain with much help from the media was able to slither from this, so they've been waiting for a moment to pounce. Schmidt was able to make it a longer wait than Obama and company would have hoped for. But now they're back.
August 21, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. Ted Strickland, Charlie Rangel, and other democratic leaders publicly said that BO needs to attack more forcefully over the last two weeks.
Since Steve took over the McCain camp it is operating way differently and the Obama camp didnt really change their level of forcefulness until the last 48hrs. The media bought in because BO didnt respond in a manner to blunt what the media was portraying. the last 3 weeks has all been McCain.
August 21, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't buy it, sorry.
If Obama's campaign proved anything during the primaries, it was that they were disciplined to a level never seen before, and that they were always willing to give their opponents enough rope to hang themselves.
These guys were simply waiting for an opening, knowing that McCain is just not a good enough campaigner to coast all the way to November without committing some sort of fuckup.
Well, he did, and they were ready for it. You might think that Charlie rangel's grousing had everything to do with this turnaround, but I think that Axe and Plouffe were laying in the tall grass, looking for an in.
The rest, and soon McCain, is history.
August 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly! Not knowing how many houses he owns combined with his remark about $5 million wrt to what defines "rich" or wealthy gave the Obama camp a two-fer.
They have been waiting for an opening and they took it. That in and of itself may be the game changer in this election. Hopefully!
August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying that it would have been nice if Obama went on the attack earlier, but they weren't going attack in a way that would cause blow back (e.g. Clark). So now McCain has finally given him an opening while Obama is +1 to +3 ahead, not -3 or -5 behind.
August 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
What mistake?
Franklyn, dude - Hillary did not win the primary. Obama did, remember?
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezuz!
August 21, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
the mistake of not adjusting to what your opponent is doing fast enough. Granted, the primary race was over, but when Hillary went nucluar on BO, he just stood their and took it because he just had to run out the clock. But now that the McCain campaign has clearly gone negative, BO, over the last 3 weeks, was not forceful in his responses at all. it took them almost a 3-4 days to respond to the Brittney and Paris ad for goodness sake.
August 21, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is little evidence that this period of time was that damaging to Obama, simply that there was the possibility of it in retrospect that it would be the beginning of Kerry part 2. Yet when McCain can't break 45% (except for one discredited poll), Celebrity'd is not Swiftboated.
August 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
But she lost. So what fucking mistake? What? She did not win regardless of your claim. That fact absolutely destroys your mistake argument.
August 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm totally willing to admit mistakes made by Obama camp, but trying to say he made a mistake because of November outcome that is forecasted in August based on the movement in the polls by 1 or 2% is just frustrating. Even Fox Poll today had Obama ahead by three, with McCain at 39 freakin percent. Maybe Obama and his camp know what they're doing.
August 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if you win your campaign is flawless, and if you lose your campaign never did anything right?
August 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but it does mean that you can't equate Kerry with Obama, since Kerry was handed the election in the end and Obama strategized and fought his way to it. Once again for emphasis: Obama is not Kerry.
August 21, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh I agree with that, I'm just a little confused by Tena's absolute argument.
August 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only speak for myself, but there has been a wee bit of freak out about how Obama was dealing with the campaign and so far there is no hard evidence that McCain has made any significant inroads against Obama. And when I see people talking about how Obama screwing up when he has maintained the lead is just freakin frustrating.
August 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT's not absolute - it's logical. Unless you can really cut that part of the campaign away from the rest and show me how it hurt Obama in the primary, then the fact that he won really belies the damn argument.
It just does.
August 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, what you're saying makes sense to me now. I believe I was misunderstanding you.
August 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, she lost because it was too late! By the time she started attacking Obama, his delegate lead was insurmountable. She couldn't catch him so he just ran out the clock. This is the GE and that won't work. Kerry found out that you can't nurse a lead until election day. You can't be too afraid to put up a few shots, even if some of them bounce off the rim.
August 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Bush found out he couldn't nurse a lead. Bush had a +7, +7, +11 lead in early September (don't see McCain having that kind of lead at this point), but by the time of the election is was +3 tie +1 +3 leads. Since McCain has a -1 -2 and -3 deficit right now, Kerry and Obama is apples and oranges.
August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
What nonsense.
Utter rot.
This is not 2004.
David Plouffe is not Terry McAuliffe.
Barrack Obama is definitely not John Kerry.
Give it a rest for the love of god. You can't argue away the logic that it is really hard to say something was a mistake when the campaign making the so-called mistake won. No matter how you try to finagle it.
August 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't think this was something Obama had to deal with, but obviously the wounds of 2004 run deep and have not healed. When people see Celebrity attack (when everyone knows he is a celebrity) as the next Swiftboat attack, it time to take a reality check.
August 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary finished strong because states that favored her came late in the primaries. Full stop.
August 21, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/experts-obama-ayers-ad-ma_n_120495.html
Legal opinion from Huff Post.
August 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably why the corporate lawyers at Fox told them to not run it. And given their latest poll numbers maybe they are thinking of doing fair and balanced with a progressive tilt. One can dream, can't one? Bats in the bellfry. But the fields are soft and green.
August 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know things are bad for conservatives when Fox declines to go along with the smear tactics.
MCCAIN LOST
August 21, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is so funny--ad off topic---but Halperin is touting the Rezko ad and only mentions the Obama house ad as an afterthought. what a tool.
August 21, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you expect? Halperin sucks!
Wow! If Fox didn't run it, that ad looks to be god awful. That Ayers ad is not just full of BS, it's dull an boring as hell. People will say: Damn, that's 60 seconds of my life that won't be back.
Obama camp, just keep hitting. In fact, TPM has give you a new angle:
The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain's tax returns.
The additional cash supports an "increase in the number of employees," the McCain aide told Politico. The aide did not answer a question about whether the growing staff stemmed from addition of new properties to the family's real estate portfolio.
That and the McCain audio clip, that ad is made already.
McCain: Probably one of my houses is your own.
August 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, all afternoon he had a picture of Hillary up pretending to have news that she was the VEEP pick. His, ahem, judgment has been lacking.
http://pufferfish.typepad.com/
August 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
geha I know--Halperin is awful I just never get over what a tool he is.
I like your take but I also think the 'forgot to pay taxes' on one of the houses. Both would be great
August 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Increase in the number of employees = we hired more staff and servants.
When you own 13 houses, you can afford servants.
August 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halperin is teasing Dick Lugar for VP now. The man is so utterly devoid of any real sources, he has to make shit up on his own.
btw, per Marc Ambinder, it looks like it won't be Kaine.
August 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ten to one Halperin is another paid Repug hack.
That's what he sounds like.
August 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The man in the car garage says: Follow the money.
August 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
My best guess is that Mark Halperin had (has) Oedipal issues with his dad, Mort Helperin of Nixon-enemies-list fame.
August 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its REALLY bad when you are slimier than Fox News.
Kind of like how it is REALLY bad when your position on Iraq is to the RIGHT of Bush.
McCain is getting all kinds of new honors lately.
August 21, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
you know what is the best part of all--Halperin is writing a book on this election. I guess he will fill chapters with his wisdom and insight. Please.
This grassroots ad is pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_xFxx6_PQk
August 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your opinion.
I just saw the ad. Hands down, the funniest thing I've seen so far on this election. Running that ad is a MUST. We should start collecting money and buy air time. We'll get more money than the PUMAs did.
Halperin: WTF? First, Hillary. Now, Lugar. Who's next? The easter bunny? Oh wait, that's already Bush running mate! (See the ad)
McCain: Maybe your house is already his.
August 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just found this. More subtle, but still works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhuMgUkiVOY&
August 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just FYI, I'm watching hannity and colmes (yes, I'm bleeding from the ears), but they are in fact showing this disgusting ad.
I can't even discuss how pissed I am with Faux News.
August 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
But is there anyone beyond those who would never vote for Obama and those like you that watch this slime?
August 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So true. Those that watch that crap daily will vote for McCain, so no harm done.
August 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
And so we come back to the Conventions and the debates. After watching Obama the last two days in Virginia doing the town hall format (is it me or has he consistently lost the coat and tie for the rolled up sleeve look, and/or is really really hot in Virginia right now) I have a pretty solid feeling that Obama will hold his own if not win the debates.
August 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Ayers issue is Hannity's baby here, he's the one who pushed it on Stephanoupoulis to ask originally. He's probably diddling himself under the desk while they play the ad.
August 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that image.
But this is what Obama is up against. Sad.
August 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes that's bad, but I guess Hannity was going to run it no matter what since he was the one who told Tiny Debate Failure to ask about Ayers in the debate.
Did they talk about McCain's houses?
August 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flashing back on good ol' times:
Indirectly dashing America's Hope . . . one unfounded slur at a time.August 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
From a historian perspective, the Clinton supportors who threw their lot behind McCain because of the outcome of the primary will be remembered as a very small but on-line vocal group that were driven by personal frustration and political regrets.
August 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just watched the McCain Rezko ad. These guys are imbeciles. Did anyone notice how the ad actually pointed out how Obama couldn't afford his home so he got Rezko's help? So they get attacked as elitist and out of touch, so they respond by basically saying, "Well he bought a million dollar mansion which, by the way, he got the help of a convicted felon because he couldn't afford it"
August 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The clear definition of irony.
August 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I caught the "because he couldn't afford it" line. Put that as the icing on the fact that the whole ad admits that McCain has a housing problem (but but Obama has one, too...) and it add up to weak. And oh the production value sucks.
August 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. In many urban areas, $1M will get you a 2-BR condo -- if you're lucky.
August 21, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to this HuffPo article - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/experts-obama-ayers-ad-ma_n_120495.html - this is very likely illegal. It seems like the clowns behind this ad don't understand the legalities behind being a 527. They seem to think they can put out campaign style smear ads and that is simply not the case.
They likely stepped in it here, however the election will be long over before the law catches up with them.
August 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't wait for the conspiracy theories on this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/21/politics/main4372096.shtml
New Black Panthers?
SDS?
Vote for Obama and this is the type of crazy shit that is going to be unleashed. Homegrown Obamic Terrorists. Nice.
August 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And vote for McCain and you'll get that Obama is antichrist shit unleashed.
August 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just because he is muslim does not mean he is the anti-christ.
August 21, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Lady! What's that booger on the end of yer finger? Ya gonna eat it???
August 22, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
The anti-semite maybe, but not the anti-christ.
August 21, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
But your response was not about reality of Obama (regarding which I would disagree) but what the winning election would unleash. So please keep to the argument that you started.
August 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And since you did two posts I'll do two. Let me ask you, what evidence do you have that Obama is a Muslim, and while you are it, dispell the story that McCain called Cindy a c---.
August 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ask and answered, repeatedly.
Stay tuned. You will get schooled in this by the McCain camp soon.
August 22, 2008 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Humor me, if it has been answered repeatedly, which is the usual response of those who have no facts to back us the assertion.
And during the Primary it was wait til the Repubs, and now months into the election it is okay wait they're just about to take off the gloves.
I mean if you're going to take the beaches, just cross the freakin channel, hit the beaches and get your candidate above 45% for gawdsake. What are you waiting for?
August 22, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on fogu2, I know this race is going to be close, but give me something based in reality.
August 22, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
And if I can get Fogu2 to remain silent, my job is done.
August 21, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
In that case you are a failure. Bet that's not the first time you've heard that.
August 22, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah wait two hours and hope that I'm not around and thus you can do your victory lap around your living room.
August 22, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
since its about 12:30 now should I check back at 2:30 to see your response?
August 22, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I guess I can assume you emerge out of the woodwork thinking I wasn't still around, but seeing that I was, and unable to back up any of your claims, like all the beasts slithering, you will just "disappear." At least your kind are consistent.
August 22, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I'm not a failure. Fogu silent plus one insignificant comment that in no way supports earlier assertion and only reinforces the idea that fogu2's previous statements were nothing but rambling and idiotic.
August 22, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!!!
Greg, Erik, Josh - I have to tell you -
TPM wins the Stupidest Fucking Trolls on the Internet Prize, hands down.
The stupidest fucking trolls on the internet hang on these boards. Whew. Man. Teh Stupid - it burns!
August 21, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that is funny!
August 22, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love it! I'm willing to give the bastards props when props are due.
August 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You loved it? And Paul Verhoeven's Showgirls is your absolute fav movie?
August 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geha---hey I am game for putting some money behind that Bush-McCain ad. I wish MoveOn would do this instead of the ones they have done. But I thin it would be great to get that ad around the intertubes.
August 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well. I'm glad that my idea has some backing.
Thanks.
August 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halperin Watch:
2 GOP sources: It's Romney (as McCain's VP)
Now he's betting on Biden.
Breaking News: He continues to suck!
August 22, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
New poll in Michigan:
Obama 46%, McCain 39%
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS15/308210001/1215
That would explain the need for Mitt...
Good night. I'm out.
August 22, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the "withering attacks" by McCain about how Obama was a celebrity totally, and I mean totally, worked. To me what it is significant is not the margin of the poll, but that McCain is below 40%. Considering the margin of error, Obama has survived the pre-convention Democratic blues, and spreading 7 houses whereever he goes, things looks where they should be at THIS POINT in the election.
August 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey everybody,
The American Issues Project's Facebook group only has 8 members. Doesn't anybody want to join up with this forward thinking organization?
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=21674214939
August 22, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
In my opinion it wasn't a mistake for Obama to run out the clock in the primaries. He could have taken a different approach to Hillary's Kitchen sink strategy, but the he simply didn't have to. They had a truck load of strategic endorsements to roll out. It would have seemed like over-kill if he had continued to plow at her. Remember "Hillary you're likable enough". He had won... what would have been the point in being a sore winner?
I also think this argument of him not being aggressive enough in the past weeks is silly. The campaign is clearly a very disciplined and strategic one. It made more sense for them to step up the aggressive rhetoric, days before announcing the VP pick. 7 houses sticks; there is no news cycle for JMc to counter.
Ease up people...
August 22, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sign O' the Times.
August 22, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink