« McCain Camp: Obama "Bizarrely In Sync With Moscow" | Home | Hillary To Headline Second Night Of Convention »

Election Central Sunday Roundup

Report: Penn Wanted To Deride Obama's Americanness
In a revelation that will lower his stock in Democratic politics even further than it already has been, a newly-released set of internal memos shows that Mark Penn aggressively pitched a xenophobic strategy for the Hillary campaign to use against Barack Obama and his "lack of American roots." Penn wrote: "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values."

Both Candidates Off The Trail Today
Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain have any public events scheduled for today. Obama is of course on his Hawaiian vacation this week, and McCain does not have any announced events, either.

Edwards' Ex-Mistress: No Paternity Test
John Edwards' former mistress Rielle Hunter has issued a statement ruling out any paternity test for her daughter. Edwards said he was willing to take a test in order to prove he is not the father, but Hunter's refusal means no such test will actually occur.

Georgian President Speaks With Both Candidates
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili spoke Saturday with both Barack Obama and John McCain about the invasion of his country by Russia. Both candidates assured Saakashvili that they want full recognition of Georgia's sovereignty, and have condemned Russia's actions in this conflict.

McCain Declining To Endorse Energy Compromise
John McCain is so far refusing to take a position on the "Gang of 10" energy compromise, which Barack Obama has already signaled he could support, which would allow a combination of offshore drilling and increased investment in alternative energy. The Hill notes that if McCain comes out against it then he'll be standing in the way of a bipartisan energy plan, but if he endorses it he'll cede a clear distinction he has with Obama.

Report: Lieberman Being Vetted For McCain's VP
The Financial Times reports that Joe Lieberman is being vetted to be John McCain's running mate. While it would certainly be interesting to have a party-switching running mate who ran on the other party's ticket just eight years earlier, this still seems unlikely -- Lieberman's socially liberal positions on issues like abortion and immigration would likely alienate many conservative activists.

Obama Web Vid: McCain's New Ad "Is A Lie"
The Obama campaign has released this Web video, in which economic adviser Brian Deese debunks the claims in John McCain's latest ad charging that Barack obama would raise taxes on the middle class. "In summary, this ad is a lie," Deese says:


129 Comments

| Leave a comment

How long until the McCain campaign will use the Penn strategy? I give them 2 weeks. Be prepared.

The fact check ad is simple but effective. I wonder if it can be reduced to 60 seconds and be a commercial to run on swing stages (the olympic ads must continue to be postitve). Is the best way to respond, with the truth.

they are already using it ;-)
and it won't work this time either

yeah Im pretty sure it wont work either, mccain campaign is already using this strategy and mccain still can't get above 45% in the polls

find out more on the Clinton leaked documents
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/leaked-clinton-memos-portray-obama-as-foreign/

user-pic

Lieberman and McLame on one ticket?

O please please please, LIttle Baby Jesus - just one more little thing - show the Democrats some more love and have McLame pick Droopy, the 732 yearl old garden gnome as his running mate!!!!!!

If he picks Lieberman, what of McCain's other butt-gerbil Graham? It's not nice to play favorites. Lindsey could grow up with some kind of a complex...

user-pic

"McCain's other butt gerbil -"


roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh please, if I can't have Thompson, please, please, please choose Lieberman.

Or else "Exorcising to the Oldies" Bobby Jindal.

user-pic

I have to admit that Thompson is another rare pick.

That would be worth it for the First and Second Ladies.

user-pic

McCain/Lieberman 2008 -- They Promise To Keep The Damn Kids Off Your Lawn

McCain/Lieberman: You kids stop playing those violent videogames!

McCain/Lieberman: I've fallen, and I can't get up!

http://thepajamapundit.com/

user-pic

The Financial Times reports that Joe Lieberman is being vetted to be John McCain's running mate.

This would be grand - Lieberman would be the only man in US history to lose a race for the vice-presidency twice.

Don't anyone suggest to the McCain campaign that they ask Al Gore how it worked out to have Lieberman on the ticket. Heh.

user-pic

When the republican thugs called them Sore/Loserman during the recount.

I proudly accept this nomination to be your Vice President. Once elected, I will suspend all voting and turn off the Internets and jail all bloggers.

user-pic

The real inside story I'd like to know about Mark Penn is how he got hired.  Was it Hillary?  Bill?  Both of them?

Slim chance, I know, but not quite zero in this age of kiss-and-tell book.

I believe I read somewhere that Penn was a veteran of the Bill Clinton campaign days and was a Bill suggestion and reason he was kept around after basically running roughshod over the campaign hierarchy.

Don't worry about Mark Penn. This is just him pulling the pin on the grenade as he runs out of the room. He's not getting any more jobs with any Democratic campaigns any time soon.

I like the Factcheck video put out by the Obama campaign. Good way to distribute information to supporters without going the "Hey, copy and paste this post to as many blogs as you can find, and you might win some McCain Golfballs" route.

Mark Penn can always work for Me.

And we're supposed to donate money to Hillary to help her pay off the debt with that fat fuck?

LOL

Lindsey Graham is one of the so-called "Gang of 10" (admittedly he might have thought it referred to something else when he signed on) whose energy compromise McCain refuses to back. That's gotta smart something fierce.

Little jerk!

What in the world has happened to McCain that he is stooping to ads like the one debunked in this video? I think the only word to describe the nasty, negative, blatantly deceptive tone that his campaign has taken on is “appeasement.” His original professed aim of running an honorable campaign has been abandoned in an act of craven appeasement to the worst elements of the Republican party by adopting a scummy Rove-style campaign. I never thought this term would accurately fit McCain, but he has actually become the very thing that he should have detested the most: a spineless appeaser.

user-pic
I never thought this term would accurately fit McCain, but he has actually become the very thing that he should have detested the most: a spineless appeaser.

Me, neither.  I hadn't realized what a scumbag McCranky was 'til I read this article by Amy Silverman in the Phoenix New Times.

That article confirms a lot of what I suspected about McCain. The people in the MSM who have been kissing his ass know what kind of person he really is and that he is unfit to be president. If they had any integrity they would be informing that public of that fact instead of providing cover.

user-pic

Well worth a read.

So does Hillary get certain credit from Obama supporters from not going completely into the gutter? It is interesting that while her claims were "ready on day one" she couldn't seem to make any key decisions, and couldn't keep her campaign disciplined. I mean Bill made the final call to run the 3AM ad?

Regardless if Sen. Clinton showed restraint, you know McCain isn't going to. Hopefully the Obama camp is prepared for that attack. It seems the groundwork is already being laid, and will probably go full force come September and going all the way to November. We should have a pool here on which date the McCain Camp will play the Rev. Wright card.

While I mentioned yesterday I think both Presidential candidates should avoid making any comments and deferring to the White House, I understand that Obama couldn't do that unless McCain did. I know it's completely crummy to play politics with such an international issue, but McCain could have also nailed Obama if McCain deferred to the President, and they pointed out Obama is being "presumptuous" again by releasing a statement. Of course if Obama deferred to the official word form the White House, McCain would have jumped on that as well saying "What a chicken".

What is incredibly embarrassing is George Bush oogling beach volleyball players in Beijing - Showing complete disregard for a solid ally. He should at least come back Stateside and look like he is trying to do something.

I wonder if McCain will hit Obama for his remaining on vacation given the situation. Of course Obama could easily defend himself saying he isn't President yet. Besides if McCain attacks Obama, he surely would have to attack Bush as well - and he's not sure if he wants to do that because while he needs to appeal to the independents, he also needs the GOP base.

As one wise poster mentioned in as response yesterday, America is basically leaderless for the next six months. Bush is probably setting a record for level of "lameduckness" these days, and given his staying in China, he doesn't seem to care in the least. The Georgian President shouldn't be speaking to Presidential candidates, he should be speaking to the President. I don't know if Bush would even have the juice to pull it off, but he should have called in representatives for both McCain and Obama and called on them to stop commenting on international issues such as the fighting in South Ossetia.

Lieberman will only be the VP pick if McCain wants to lose with a friend rather than an enemy. I could see most up and comers not wanting to attack themselves to McCain/Bush ticket, however along with Lieberman, Mitt Romney will have no qualms in doing so and he's probably a better choice given he could put certain states in play, if not swing them for McCain. Portman is another who would run with McCain, though I'm not familiar with him enough to know if he's be a willing attack dog. Those up-and-comers (Pawlenty, Jindal, Palin etc.) might not want to play such a prominent role in a gutter negative campaign, especially when polling down 5 points, given the political climate.

Lieberman will only be the VP pick if McCain wants to lose with a friend rather than an enemy.

Yeah, I can't believe people in the MSM get paid good money to write that crap. It ain't gonna happen. It would save a lot of time though, McCain could give his concession speech at the convention.

Dang, got a little careless with the blockquotes there.

[bush] should at least come back stateside and look like he is trying to do something.

i think we all would be much better off if dubya did as little as chimpishly possible with the little time he has left ...

user-pic
So does Hillary get certain credit from Obama supporters from not going completely into the gutter?

I think so, though in no small part because I want to.  I still admire Hillary -- though less than I used to, having seen her in action this campaign.

Hillary's paralyzing indecision shows how unready she is to be President.  That and her choice of staff.  I mean, being prez means choosing a good staff, delegating, and resolving conflicts among them.  She showed little ability to do either.

(Though, if she had won, Big Dog would likely have picked up a lot of the slack.  The phrase Team Billary is closer to the mark than I realized.)

I'd like to interpret Hillary's indecision as reluctance be deceitful about her opponent(s).  I know I'm projecting a bit here, but from what I've read so far, it's still quite plausible.  But Bill?  Not so much.

P.S.  A link to a single-page printable version of the Politico article is here.

I agree. I think Bill cost Hillary the primary and killed any shot she might have had at the VP spot with his post primary sulking. You look at Hillary's campaign and it tells you all you need to know why Hillary simply cannot be Obama's VP - Bill Clinton. If Hillary couldn't control him, there is no way Obama would be able to. Mark Penn is a Bill hire as well, which is why he stuck around so long.

Bill also has his 8 years of Middle Eastern "speaking" engagements, questionable business deals, secret Clinton Library Donors, and his Presidential pardons that hang over Hillary's head.

What's the difference between painting Obama as unAmerican and Bill and Hill racemongering? Let's not forget the 'as far as I know' remark...along with the release of the photo in Muslim garb as well as the constant stream of Muslim emails online that one of her staffers was fired for circulating. As well as the 'madrassa' stories, which were not substantiated despite Hillary sending folks to talk to his first grade teacher!!

Hillary gets no pass on Penn's painting Obama as having an unAmerican upbringing..she did her best to paint him that way by hanging race and Muslim around his neck every chance she could.

Ther irony is that had she and Bill not done that she would probably be the nominee, as she only needed 30% of the African American vote to have won the nomination...but her and Billiary blew it with their race mongering.

user-pic

She showed restraint in not saying positive things about her "Misddle Americanes", and his multiculturalism. Things that are not underhanded but she said that she and McCain had experience but Obama had a speach he gave. She showed restraint where it did not matter but not where she should have. The more I learn about her the further from the seats of power I want her.

How much gas, oil and electricity we could save, if we sent illegal aliens packing. We cannot keep up the demand for it right now! Oil! Diversity Alliance for Sustainable America.(earthtimes) stated in it's article that if the U.S. grants amnesty and gives citizenship to 12 to 30 million illegal migrants already here, as McCain, Obama and the majority of Democrats propose. That all those naturalized citizens could possibly add 120 million U.S. and foreign-born relatives to the U.S., in the next 20 years whom all will CONSUME MAJOR ENERGY.

The executive director of (DASA) admitted "Proposal to reduce energy costs in the U.S. will not work unless we also simultaneously curb U.S. population growth by reducing immigration and curbing teen pregnancies." Severing the illegal immigration occupation and deporting those already here is a good start. Demanding Democrats sponsor the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) is a great beginning. Find out more at NUMBERSUSA, CAPSWEB. Voter Fraud in NOVEMBER! http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=kourij&date=080810

user-pic

Take your astroturfed racism elsewhere, Brittanicus.

Nothing like a little xenophobia and ignorance to get your morning started!

Ok, here's my compromise proposal:

Deportations for all illegal immigrants.
Sterilizations for all teenage Republicans.

Hey Brittanicus,

Dude - A sentence has a noun, a verb, and sometimes various modifying words or clauses. You must have slept through those years of school.

I'll take the hardworking immigrants and deport the ignorant Republican entitlement slacker dudes like you.

It won't even take that long! I bet they're off and running with one of Penn's strategies no later than tomorrow!

Never fear
Mentum's near

Will begin novena to St. Thomas More, patron of politicians

I'm wondering how these leaked memo's will play in the current GE campaign. Will it help solidify the meme in that "See, Hillary Clinton campaign was even questioning Obama's American-ness" or will it diminish the attack by outing the strategy as a paint-by-numbers smear campaign?

Also by McCain drawing attention to the preemptive defense to such a claim by by shouting that Obama played the race card on him, can McCain go that route without it being framed as McCain playing race as an issue. I mean if it's the race card to say "They're saying I have a funny name, that I don't look like the Presidents..." then wouldn't actually doing what he said you're doing be proof positive?

Of course it's likely a concerted effort whereby the talk radio scumbags will run on the foreign/race angle to whip up the dittohead lunatics into a lather, while the official campaign can keep above the fray. That way McCain can appeal to the independents, centrists and moderates who don't listen to wingnut radio, while the GOP base get's it's fill of race baiting hate mongering.

That's exactly what I'm thinking and why I've been saying these memos are great for Obama. They give him the high ground for the convention and completely vindicates him in the face of Bill's whining.

These memos will be awful for Obama. What they will do is reinforce mcCain's talking points as they are coming from Obama's own party. It will be just as powerful as McCain playing ads where HRC says she is ready and McCain is ready to be CinC and all Obama has is a speech.

These memos are bad news for Democrats as they will do nothing but cement the idea that not even Democrats trust obama or beleive in him being 'American' enough to lead.

I do not think these memos being leaked is anything but a strategic move by the Clintons to ensure that Obama loses.

The Democratic party is going to have to decide whether they are willing to let Obama go down by standing on the side lines and not supporting him the choice is between losing the White House and 4 more years of McCain who will lead us to war after war and have no difficulty re-instating the draft to ensure we have the military forces to become the world's army.

America will be despised and hated globally muchmoreso than we have ever imagined.

All because of oil.

You're insane. McCain is not going to run ads featuring Mark Penn's bulbous Republican ass suggesting blatantly racist attacks on Obama.

And there are no talking points here. It's just some rambling fatass's racist fantasies.

Listen, I do not have to be insane because you can't connect the dots. I did not imply infer or suggest that McCain would run ads based on the memos. What I said was that the content of the memos coming from Democrats would be as impactful as the ad he is running showing HRc touting McCain's credentials over the a fellow Democrat.

Get it straight. Whenever your own party is sending out negative messages about the nominee, it is divisive and downright a losing strategy for the party.

Read more carefully before you call folks insane.

These memos are going to be repeated on all the cable news shows and they are going to sound like the Democrats have the same doubts about Obama as McCain.

This is terrible news and it is coming out thanks to the Clintons they simply refuse to support Obama and are doing everything in their power to ensure he loses.

After all, they have told everyone who will listen that Obama 'can't win'...so what better way for them to maintain power than to ensure he does lose?

"These memos are going to be repeated on all the cable news shows and they are going to sound like the Democrats have the same doubts about Obama as McCain."

I didn't see what you were getting at until I read that sentence.

You're right. I can see the media slant now as they report this and it will be exactly as you said.

user-pic

I think the "celebrity" ads is on the spectrum of Obama not being "one of us".

What Obama was really referring to when he was talking about the GOP are going to focus him not looking like the presidents on dollar bills, was that the GOP will try to paint Obama as "other" or foreign.

You are so right. The memos will simply echo that meme. David Gergen said it ..'everyone gets it'..he is 'the other' he is 'not like us'

user-pic

Chuck Todd said a few days ago that expect the Dem convention to be all about Obama's biography which will focus on less on spending time in Indonesia but more about his family from his mother's side being from Kansas and how he was raised poor on food stamps, etc.

user-pic

"voter fraud" are code words for systematically disenfranchising voters in heavily democratic precincts and counties. Trying to tie the energy crisis to this kind of bull**** is a typical of you low-life republicans who can only win by cheating.

user-pic

that was supposed to be in reply to Brittanicus. Sorry. I guess logging in at the same time lost my place in line. :)

The fact-check video is absolutely great. The Obama campaign ought to make a commercial like this.

That ad is great but it is not being run during the Olympics to rebut mcCain...McCain needs to be rebutted NOW...not just on the web..but to the millions of viewers tuning in to the Olympics.

Just who is the Obama "web ad" targeted to? Is this how they intend to responded to glizty, slick, superficial, disinformational McCain ads that are running all over the country on prime time tv?

God help us.

user-pic

True enough. A web video is preaching to the choir. We need to get a 30 second spot out on prime time, cutting McCain's lies off at the knees.

Precisely!!
The wrong demographic is targeted on the web video.

user-pic

Mis-posted reply appears down-thread.  Sorry for the fumble.

I think that ad is targeted to the media, all of whom will see it. The hope is one of them will slip up and actually do their job and hold McCain accountable.

It looks to me like the Obama campaign is holding fire and letting the McCain smears accumulate. Their response theme that they are already laying out it that McCain will lie and say anything to win, that he is all attack dog with no real ideas. But I also sense they do not want to risk losing the high ground by turning Obama into an Attack Back Dog. Better to hold fire now and unleash a torrent closer to the election, when everyone is paying attention now.

The current McCain attacks are helping Obama look less like "any other politician" as they undermine McCain's image as an above partisan politics guy. Ali would call this the "rope-a-dope".

Florida and Michigan were one of the earliest examples of how dishonest, two faced underhanded and fraudulent Oilbama can be, when he claimed in speeches that he stood for “voices being heard” and “every vote must count”, and then clamped his hand over the mouths of almost 3 million voters in Florida and Michigan because he didn’t like what those voices were saying, which was a loud “go home”.

Working class voters are not the socio-economic slice of the “white” vote that votes Republican. They are the least likely portion of white voters to do so, which is part of what made the constant slamming of this group so infuriating during the primaries. This was the slice of the white demographic most likely to vote for Hillary, and that was the reason they were being singled out for shaming and insults.

I think I can speak for millions of Hillary’s 18 millions supporters when I say that camp Oilbama stepped over a serious line when they tarred the Clintons as racists in the lead-up to the SC primary (and since). Those attacks were simply unforgivable.

The sad reality, of course, is that Oilbama has no commitments over issues. Issues are merely fodder to be used to grab what he seeks above all else: Victory. Now, every politician has to be focused on winning. But most politicians have some issues about which they genuinely care and are knowledgeable about. Oilbama doesn’t seem to hold any issues dear, except for voting for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill so he could be in the deep pockets of Big Oil.

Nobama Never
McCain 08
Hillary 12

"Florida and Michigan were one of the earliest examples of how dishonest, two faced underhanded and fraudulent Oilbama can be"

Hey Fucknuts, your candidate once said that Florida and Michigan wouldn't count - of course she changed that particular stance when she was getting her ass handed to her. Isn't Mark Penn the one you should directing your inbred anger at?

"This was the slice of the white demographic most likely to vote for Hillary, and that was the reason they were being singled out for shaming and insults."

Most of them were singled out for shaming because they were toothless rubes, and be honest, toothless rubes are hilarious.

"I think I can speak for millions of Hillary’s 18 millions supporters when I say that camp Oilbama stepped over a serious line when they tarred the Clintons as racists in the lead-up to the SC primary (and since)."

The Clintons have only themselves to blame, and I still can't get one person to show me where exactly the Obama campaign played the race card against them. They ran a foolish campaign, and Bill kept saying stupid shit - and the media called them on it. Boo fucking Hoo.

"Oilbama doesn’t seem to hold any issues dear, except for voting for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill so he could be in the deep pockets of Big Oil."

Yawn. Get some new material dickhead.

"... I still can't get one person to show me where exactly the Obama campaign played the race card against them."

Two words you stupid fuck: Fairy Tale
Or have you forgotten the Lawn Jockey in Chief's opening salvo in his race war?
Then of course we got the leaked SC Hussein memo outlining his slander campaign point by point.
So go get your tongue back in Hussein's arsehole brownie...
Don dat ObaShit tate gud?

Haha, I love it when the racists try to deny their racism with more racism.

Also, Obama's campaign never said anything about the 'fairy tale' comment and the supposed 'race memo' was something assembled by a low level staffer after the fact and dismissed by the campaign.

Clinton simply opened his mouth and people came to their own conclusions. The fact that you racist weirdos have to assemble conspiracy theories is a testament to your own abundance of crazy.

Also, these memos definitively prove who was playing the race card. You racists no longer have a toothpick shoved up your ass to balance on.

Stroszek, has it ever occurred to you that a memo complied of Bill Clintons racist remarks could not be complied in 14 pages, IF Clinton had not made the remarks?

Read slowly, the memo was of remarks made by Clinton. No remarks mean no 14 page memo, no compliation of remarks.

OOOO, see how that works? Person fails to make racist remarks...then no memo with their own words making racist statemetns.

You are trying to fault the Obama camp for writing up the racist remarks. That is not the same thing as calling him racist. That is called documenting statements for accuracy.

No one put words into Clintons month and the memo didn't either.

"Two words you stupid fuck: Fairy Tale"

Here's two more words: "Bad Campaign" - that's exactly what Hillary ran, from inept strategy to silly comments that the media seized on.

"Or have you forgotten the Lawn Jockey in Chief's opening salvo in his race war?"

Racism seems to be all you have, too bad you are too much of a coward to express similar statements to peoples faces.

This comment scores a 10 on both the 'Dumb' and 'Infantile' scale. Congrats. You win the gold medal for crazy-ass, incoherent idiocy.

user-pic

Well dembill, I was a precinct Hillary delegate in February and you do not speak for me.

A couple of weeks after I committed to represent Hillary at the next level of my state democrat conventions, her campaign began making cheap shots with not only racial overtones, but religious ones as well. (Remember the coy "...as far as I know".)

I was one of Hillary's 18 million. Because of how she handled her campaign in the remaining months of the primary season, I now support Obama 150%.

Whether you want to believe it or not, most of us 18 million have moved on for our own reasons.

The worst part of this election season is the Democratic Party’s complete bias and vote-rigging for their chosen candidate. Fat Oilabama supporter Donna Brazile’s embarrassing performance at the RBC was so transparent in its bias that she became the most visible Obama shill massaging rules for her candidate, all the while lecturing us on rules. Go have another Donut Donna you fat pig.

Looks like somebody wants attention. Tie a steak around your neck and maybe your dog will show interest in you.

user-pic

Jim BillC Schoenfeld:

Go have another Donut Donna you fat pig.

I knew Don Koharski, and I can tell you Obama is no Koho.

user-pic

BillC,

Lucifer is the paragon of honesty next to you my slimy little friend. You lie like a rug.

Well, this is a common theme among the dumber portions of nutosphere. They think that writing a fictional story is the same thing as journalism. They're like an army of sexually frustrated Maureen Dowds, clacking away in a fortress made of pizza boxes.

user-pic

Hey!--Dem Bill C!---Hillary's 18 million supporters are not Triumph the insult comic dog. Remove your hand from their asss and quit trying to speak for them.

user-pic

The most interesting poll results might be the daqily patterns of the favorable-unfavorable ratios at Rasmussen. (They are now tied at 54-44--Mccain did have a slight edge), but the "very" favorable-unfavorable figure is more significant.

Obama is holding steady at 32-28, but as the media pays more attention to McCain---his very unfavorable figure is increasing. Those who feel strongly give him a ratio of 18-21----and there is a lot of room for that ratio to widen as people tak a closer look at him. The obama fatigue is real--but it also means his very unfavorables have less room to grow.

Ah Ignorance thy name is ObaBot...
You have no idea how low Hussein will sink as he bleeds support.
The free ride is coming to an end (did ya' see how fast his pathetic attempt at race baiting McCain got shot to hell?) while the opposition has not even begun to fight.
Fer starters:
There is a reason that Hussein still refuses to release his schedule for 9-12...
and all these new leaked memo's you ObaFools debate...
note the references to Hussein sitting in attendance as Wright ranted and the fact that HRC never called Hussein on those lies.
Hussein's got more to worry about than his baby momma 'cause there is more in that woodpile after all.

"Bleeding support" sure is a funny way to say "reestablishing a clear lead in both tracking polls."

seems sadly accurate.

Thanks for pointing that out. If only the rest of the MSM could be so candid in the McCain assessments.

user-pic
Just who is the Obama "web ad" targeted to?

I'd say it's targeted to reporters, bloggers, and the netroots.

I like it.  Not every video from BigO has to be targeted at the TV-consuming public.  Its matter-of-fact tone works very well.  The staffer who appeared in it did a very good job.

Oh, and I especially like that it reinforces the Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them meme.

user-pic

Oops... that was meant in reply to theWalrus up-thread.

I mean all of us visit grandma every decade or so without the wife and kids, right? After all, why would any grandma want to see her own great-grandchildren and her grandson’s wife? It’s just not done, right? There’s no family dysfunction going on here at all, nothing to see here folks. It’s all Perfectly Normal. I haven’t seen this reported in the MSM. His special press corps must be surfing or something.
Obama — escorted by Secret Service and accompanied by a few campaign staff and a pool of reporters and camera crews — arrived at about 4:10 p.m. yesterday and spent an hour with his 85-year-old maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who helped raise him. He was not accompanied by his wife, Michelle, and two daughters. Of course since Oilbama threw his Grandmother under the Bus saying she is a Racist who can blame them for not wanting to meet?

Time for your meds.

"I mean all of us visit grandma every decade or so without the wife and kids, right? After all, why would any grandma want to see her own great-grandchildren and her grandson’s wife?"

Unless you are privy to Obama's travel schedule, how in the fuck do you know how often he visits his grandmother with his wife and kids. Stop being so fucking desperate.

user-pic

I wonder when Obama is going to quit playing defense and start going on the offense.

Every other day the McCain camp launches some new atrocious claim against Obama. Every other day Obama has to waist time declaiming it.

Meanwhile, I notice, in my local paper, more letters to the editor repeating the same claims McCain camp makes.

Eventually it permeates down to Joe Sixpack at work, who doesn't have a lot of time to figure out who to vote for because he works all the time.

I don't see that Obama is doing his best to win this election. It looks just like Kerry four years ago. Never wanting to offend people, they constantly played defense until they lost the god damned election.

user-pic

Well inasmuch as Obama is doing rather well at this point, I don't think: 1. you recognize the difference between offense and defense - because he has played plenty of offense lately - very very intelligently, unlike McLame; 2. you should be allowed anywhere near and actual campaign.

Tim,
Joe Sixpack isn't working all the time. He's watching American Gladiators and Fox News.

I’m trying to turn the tables on the McCain folks and their stupid tire gauge stunt. I’m having gauges made and selling them on eBay in hopes of raising $2300 for Obama (the max contribution). If you are down, can you please forward this on to other like minded folks. Thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110277515563

user-pic

"...an actual campaign.

user-pic

I wonder when Obama is going to quit playing defense and start going on the offense.

Every other day the McCain camp launches some new atrocious claim against Obama. Every other day Obama has to waist time declaiming it.

Meanwhile, I notice, in my local paper, more letters to the editor repeating the same claims McCain camp makes.

Eventually it permeates down to Joe Sixpack at work, who doesn't have a lot of time to figure out who to vote for because he works all the time.

I don't see that Obama is doing his best to win this election. It looks just like Kerry four years ago. Never wanting to offend people, they constantly played defense until they lost the god damned election.

Obama camp believes they are counter punching too much and it gets them off-message - http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/theres_a_tactical_debate_withi.php

-counterpunching is reactive, and some campaign officials worry that too much time has been spent responding to McCain's attacks, rather than setting the agenda

I don't disagree with that. I think Obama's responses to the McCain ads has been intelligent but he does need to be more assertive in guiding the narrative.

Gad, I'm struggling today. I need to assert control over my cutting and pasting.

user-pic

Repeating your post does nothing to shore-up your argument.

"I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values."

Kinda easy to take this out of context, plus it's in reference to Obama, plus it's in an unguarded internal memo. But the phrasing here is interesting to me, it seems to imply Penn also wouldn't think to imagine a time when America elected a president who isn't described using the pronoun "him"...

As if we needed additional proof that Penn is completely full of crap. I've never heard anything that would lead me to believe Obama is anything other than fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.

It's possible Penn was just saying that's how the Clinton campaign should try to portray Obama. In any event, Penn is nothing more than a big hairy turd.

Penn was working with Hillary based on his success with Bill. Penn was Bill's man, and those are the exact type of statemetns that Bill went out on the trail and made. Only his southerner bubba soul add an extra racial twist and he came across as the racemongerer he was being.

Bill Clinton had no problem using that strategy to create racial polarization and he kept it up and now wants to act like he is the victim. Despite, Kennedy, Brazile and Clyburn all telling him to back off.

Bubba kept right on repeating Penn's basis message.

Like Gergen said, southerns like Bill got the message about 'otherness' and he ran with it.

Best Oilbama Jokes-

Oilbama was in Germany , and he did this speech and 100,000 people showed up. There were so many Germans shouting and screaming that France surrendered just in case.

They really love Oilbama in Germany. He’s like a rock star over there. Impressive until you realize that David Hasselhoff is also like a rock star over there.

Signs Oilbama Is Overconfident.
Proposed bill to change Oklahoma to ‘Oklabama.’
Offered Bush 20 bucks for the ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner.
Asked guy at Staples, ‘Which chair will work best in an oval-shaped office?’
Having head measured for Mount Rushmore.
Offered McCain a job in gift shop at Obama Presidential Library.

Of course, Oilbama’s supporters got him his usual birthday gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Oilbama’s people are trying to portray McCain as cranky, and McCain is trying to portray Obama as arrogant, you see. And when Obama was asked what he thought about being called arrogant, well, he said he was ‘above having to answer that question.

Oilbama on the news? He’s becoming a workout fanatic. He’s at the gym, like, twice a day, sometimes three times a day at the gym, yeah, according to his staff. Well, he has to stay in shape to do those flip-flops.

Oilbama back from his big European tour. Did you see him in Europe? People were cheering him, holding up signs, blowing him kisses. And that was just the American media covering the story.

Oilbama vioted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill because he is in the deep pockets of Big Oil and is a chickenshit.

Is this your entrance exam to bizarro MENSA?

Is that the one where you have to score at the 2nd percentile or lower on a standardized, supervised intelligence test.

user-pic

Yes! Like McCain, you have to come in at the bottom of your class!

Of course, Oilbama’s supporters got him his usual birthday gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Okay this one was actually funny in a rightwing snark sort of way.

Looks like we've nailed down the evangelical vote.

The King of Comedy routine, introduced in DemBillC's wildly varied repertoire of Summer Retooling exploration, was a promising, albeit short-lived one. Longtime fans looked on, aware of the rich potential inherent in the vein when placed in the hands of a performer of this caliber - imagining, perhaps, the sharp wit of a fresh Lenny Bruce Soul or the insight and Bleeding Edge Appeal of a fiery young Pryor. Instead, these explorations became so entangled with a Budding Adolescent Sensibility that even casual viewers were left with little more than a Bitter Aftertaste, reminiscent of the more Explosive work of Gallagher sans the Erudite Overtones (if one can even imagine that).

The disappointment was, in short, monumental - leaving many longtime viewers wondering if this once great Leading Troll could ever recover his Pretty Pony Sparkle in time to make a difference on the TPM Mainstage during the General.

This is everything I've ever wanted in a comment.

A credit to your handle there, Mr. TC 3000.

Hey Obamabots take your heads out of Oilbama's ass and explain why he voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill while both McCain and Hillary did not.

Well, this is a serious question, so I'll answer it.

While no one will argue that the bill didn't have serious flaws, Democrats were able to include major investments in renewable energy technology, provisions that at least started developments towards energy independence and provided jobs in the mid-west. In fact, you'll notice that most of the 'nay' votes came from urban areas and New England coastal states. However, many liberals, including Maria Cantwell, Evan Bayh, Daniel Akaka, Mark Dayton, Tom Harkin, Carl Levin, Barbara Mikulski, Jay Rockefeller, and Debbie Stabenow.

While there's certainly a strong case to be made for those who voted against the bill, it's plainly disingenuous to assert that the bill is pure evil and only consisted of aid to oil companies. It was a massive bill, a lot of it was bad, some of it was good, and in 2005, that some good was the best that a lot could hope for.

Correction: That should read 'many liberals voted for the bill, including...'

And to that extent, if Clinton had been the Junior Senator from Arkansas, as opposed to New York, it is highly likely that she would have voted for the bill.

user-pic

After the Dem convention, Obama has only a weekend to redefine McCain before the GOP shindig.
There's so much to work with. the TPM Dazed and Confused reel has more than enough clips to show what a doddering old fart McCain is. Not fit for the job. The thought of this guy in charge for 4 years is depressing. He has a lot in common with Bush - a life of privilege, a grandiose sense of entitlement, prickliness, vindictiveness, and laziness come to mind.

"Reporters, blogers and netroots" are not going to determine the outcome of this election. If the Obama camp doesn't start hitting back soon and hard and get their message out to the general public things are going to get dicey. That said, I do think the debates will be extremely important and I'm hoping Obama exhibits some agressiveness there.

P.S. Dem Bill C. is an operative, here to disrupt. Best ignored.

Jesus f'n Christ, unbunch those panties, sweetheart.

user-pic

Ugh.  Fucked it up again.  Reply appears down-thread.

I don't profess to being an expert on international affairs, but so many of the posters here are obviously not low information voters. Most of us (I assume) are more aware of some basic international matters than the average American is. I'm not sure how this will affect the campaign, but I would bet that most low information voters fall into 1 of 2 camps:

Camp 1: Commie-Haters: You know the type. They hate all things Russian, i.e. Vodka, Bears, the Kremlin, ah..circular furry hats.... So what they get is that Russian is once again up to it's old Commie tricks. We beat them once, let's beat them again.

Camp 2: War-Haters: They hate all wars, regardless of the circumstances. They are just as likely to protest "The War of the Roses" as they are to protest Vietnam, Iraq, etc. You know the type: "Give Peace A Chance".

I would hope that the average American is somewhere in the middle like myself. I don't hate Putin (or Russia for that matter), but any man for whom W can gaze into his eyes and "see his soul" should not be trusted. And let face it, Russia was once a world power, and the people who have had a taste of power and lost it, always seems to want it back. And while I'm no war protester, it seems to me that we are already in the midst of 2 wars, Afghanistan & Iraq and we are stretched thin as it is. Until we can at the least partially resolves one of those 2 wars, while it's good for the President to be as "tough" and firm as possible with Russia, I would hope that the next President or the current one, does not intend to star a 2nd (or would it be 3rd) Cold War by taking some type of "action" against Russia. It seems to me that of the 2 presidential contenders, one of them is more likely to be amenable(?) to starting some military action against Russia.

But I've never served in the military, so maybe I just don't understand as much as some

As far as their statements, Obama favors seeking a diplomatic solution, McCain wants to kick Russia out of the G8. The former is the only practical course, the other G8 members would not go along with McCain's proposal, plus we need Russia's cooperation in regard to a wide range of issues such as securing nuclear stockpiles, Iran, etc..

McCain's ignorance is bilateral, he doesn't know anything about domestic issues OR foreign relations.

user-pic
... plus we need Russia's cooperation in regard to a wide range of issues...

Plus Europe needs Russia's oil and gas.  Fossil-fuel dependency again rears its ugly head.

Bingo.

Thank you Brian. I think this will be effective, they should stay with it.

on a different topic, I'm tired of seeing more McCain ads than Obama ones right now during the Olympics.

user-pic
"Reporters, bloggers and netroots" are not going to determine the outcome of this election.

No one thing is going to determine the outcome of this election.

Addressing reporters and bloggers can affect their coverage. The more times they hear the McToast campaign's lies called out for what they are, the more comfortable they'll feel about voicing their own skepticism.

Addressing the netroots can affect the volume of contributions coming in.

BigO has enough staff and resources to produce this select-audience video and produce the kind of ads you're clamoring for. I really don't see anything to complain about in this video.

Yes, if I were running the campaign, I'd suggest a few tweaks around the edges. But who wouldn't? I'm quite comfortable with the top staff he has and the job they've done so far, despite a few uh-oh moments along the way.

BTW, did I remember to say I'm really convinced that McSame is toast?

user-pic

... Lieberman's socially liberal positions on issues like abortion ...

Umm, I don't think telling women that are seeking emergency contraception after being raped that they if the first hospital they go to refuses to give it to them "In Connecticut, it shouldn't take more than a short ride to get to another hospital" is a liberal position on abortion. In fact, I would say (or at least hope) that it is a right-of-center position and out of the mainstream.

I just got a message from David Plouffe saying that Senator Obama is soon to announce his VP...I assume this will happen when he is back from his vacation...

Smart move to keep the focus Senator Obama on the news...Surpringly, it has not been mentioned yet...

Stroszek says "Well, this is a serious question, so I'll answer it. While no one will argue that the bill didn't have serious flaws, Democrats were able to include major investments in renewable energy technology, provisions that at least started developments towards energy independence and provided jobs in the mid-west. In fact, you'll notice that most of the 'nay' votes came from urban areas and New England coastal states. However, many liberals, including Maria Cantwell, Evan Bayh, Daniel Akaka, Mark Dayton, Tom Harkin, Carl Levin, Barbara Mikulski, Jay Rockefeller, and Debbie Stabenow. While there's certainly a strong case to be made for those who voted against the bill, it's plainly disingenuous to assert that the bill is pure evil and only consisted of aid to oil companies. It was a massive bill, a lot of it was bad, some of it was good, and in 2005, that some good was the best that a lot could hope for."

Wrong Answer- There was NO EXCUSE for this purely evil Energy Bill crafted by Oilbama's buddy Dick Cheney, former CEO of Halliburton, the world's largest oil-services company, to lead a 15-member task force to mastermind a ground-up restructuring of America's energy policy, convening behind closed doors with oil, gas, coal, and nuclear executives and lobbyists. Cheney's and Oilbama's Energy Bill, offered hefty subsidies to energy companies and step up oil, gas, and mining activities on federal lands and urged federal agencies to begin expediting gas- and oil-drilling-permit requests on public lands. It was and is the worst Energy Bill in US History.

What did McCain say at the time? "I see this... as one giant giveaway to special interests," Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has said about the Cheney-stamped energy bill. "With a half-trillion-dollar deficit, we're giving tax credits for—guess who?—the oil industry, which, last time I checked, was doing really well."
And of course Hillary was dead against it as was anyone else not on the Big Oil Payroll.

I must give misguided Stroszek credit he is the first Obamabot to even attempt to explain why Oilbama voted for Dick Cheney's horrible Energy Bill. The attempt to justify it was pitiful but at least you tried.

"I must give misguided Stroszek credit he is the first Obamabot to even attempt to explain why Oilbama voted for Dick Cheney's horrible Energy Bill. The attempt to justify it was pitiful but at least you tried."

It wasn't as pitiful as your substance-less response, filled with empty talking points - never fully addressing what Stroszek actually had to say. Talk about gutless.

user-pic

This is a web ad that's supposed to get noticed? Technically, it was terrible. Rumbling traffic noise made it hard to hear the soft-spoken Brian Deese. There was no reason not to have better sound. Not very forceful speaker either. I don't expect razzamatazz but this wasn't very professional video.

Dem BillC is like McBushSame talking points: critical. and no substance...

What do you think of David's Plouff email, I expect the VP announcement next week.

Leave a comment

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address