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Dems Open Major Populist Offensive Over McCain's Houses Gaffe

The Democrats are going after John McCain over some choice quotes he gave in a Politico interview on the subject of wealth -- lines that could seriously undermine his attempts to cast Barack Obama as the man living a "grand" lifestyle.

The DNC is already blasting out to reporters two key comments. First, McCain was asked how many houses he owns. "I think -- I'll have my staff get to you," McCain said. "It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you."

Then there's McCain's ideas on the subject of what it means to be rich -- following up on his $5 million threshold from the Rick Warren interview and the arguments over what constitutes taxation of the wealthy.

"I define rich in other ways besides income," he said. "Some people are wealthy and rich in their lives and their children and their ability to educate them. Others are poor if they're billionaires."

From the DNC's release: "John McCain's Message to Working Families: Money -- Don't Worry About It -- You're Rich in Other Ways."

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, a top Obama surrogate and potential Veep, is already blasting away at McCain: "He couldn't count high enough apparently to even know how many houses he owns."

Surely these McCain quotes will get every bit as much attention as John Edwards' $400 haircut, right?

Late Update: Here's video of Tim Kaine this morning:


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This looks like the first big screw up of the campaign. Thank you, doddering old man.

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The branding must begin. Two simple points:

1) McCain is out of touch at home.

2) McCain is reckless abroad.

It's as simple as that, it's true, and it reminds you of a certain President we all know.

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McCain will say ANYTHING to get elected, should be included as well (segways very well into his record and his 180 from 2000).

Terrific suggestion, das2003.

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Following the links Josh posted on the main page to the HuffPo, I found this:

The answer, according to the group Progressive Accountability, is an even 10 homes, ranches, condos, and lofts, together worth a combined estimated $13,823,269.
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Well, I guess that's not out of the ordinary for a middle class guy like McCain.

btw, I unfortunately don't remember now where I read it, but somewhere, someone, (I tried googling to find it but no luck) referred to the media's infatuation with McCain as "McMania." Kinda catchy, eh?

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Well, no wonder he wants to ease taxes on home sale profits over $200,000.00.

Excellent das!
McCain: Reckless abroad, out of touch at home!

Not the first by a long shot, but a gaffe that they cannot counter.

Ford did not lose reelection because he pardoned Nixon, IMO. He lost because he was portrayed as a bumbling idiot (even though he was not), because no one wants a President who is a bumbling idiot like the one we have right now.

Kerry should have used this tactic in 2004.

McBush IS a bumbling idiot, so all Obama has to do is take luny quotes like this from McBush's own mouth and shove it down the Republican's throats, which is EXACTLY what he is doing.

I was a little worried that McBush would blunt the "old, tired" mantra of the Obama campaign by announcing he was running for one term only, but it appears that he is not going to do that either.

Don't agree with you on Ford. I was an adult during this mess and I remember it well. There was widespread anger that Nixon received a pardon from Ford. It was elitism at its finest hour. I contend that the primary reason Ford lost his elecion was exactly what folks were angry about--the Nixon pardon.

Do not underestimate just how visceral the anger at Nixon has been. The "resurrection of Nixon" was attempted several times and it always failed.

I agree. Visceral it was. I remember our softball game with co-workers in Grant Park Chicago stopping to listen and a portable radio turned up to max volume. And then a round of applause that could be heard throughout the park. It still amazes me that there is something as disgraceful as a "Nixon Library".

Nixon's resignation speech, that is, was well received.

I don't like it one bit. This is just petty and small and desperate.

He has wrong plans and ideas for this country, which has nothing to do with his own wealth.

I actually like this. It shows how out of touch McCain is with the real economic concerns of voters.

Lalo's comment shows that he, she or it is either an idiot or working for the other team. Everybody with eyes to see knows the historical pattern of Republicans making character attacks (that stick) and Democrats prissily sticking to policy attacks, with the result that Republicans win elections. That has to stop, now. Hit those assholes where it hurts the most.

So McCain says Obama is a pussy and not ready to lead. And the response is: he can't count how many houses he's got.

No wonder, everyone thinks he's unprepared.

It's not a response. It's a new line of attack.

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Yeah, it sure was a bad idea to stop pushing any other message besides how many houses McCain has.

/snark

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Lalo,

this is just one line of attack, not the whole campaign.

going after McCain like this shows how hypocritical and shallow he is at the same time he's attacking Obama as elite or celebrity.

McCain's message is; attack Obama 90% of the time, talk about issues 3%, remind people of his POW status 2%.

Lalo is an upper income fellow himself. He commented to me once how he was going to be in the top 1% relatively soon. He doesn't like the fact people resent him for his wealth. Price you pay, my friend! Or should that be- money bags?

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joseph,

Lalo's main fear is a Government who might want to take some of his hard earned money.

He's a "Keep your hand out of my pocket" kinda guy/girl. :-)

Yes, indeed. But that sounds unnatural to you, I'm assuming

Forgive my above snark. Just having fun. And yes, I'm a proud socialist. Time to break out the devil's horns....

my kingdom for an edit function.

After giving you a hard time about being critical of the Obama press shop, I have to give credit to you for doing something about it. Your alternate press release idea is golden. Keep up the good work.

I'm with ya. I like this line of attack (both the houses angle and the "what is rich?" angle). Here's why:

It's aggressive and it's TRUE.

I hope we hammer this for a few more days so we go into the convention with some good energy. And remember, the GOP has already likened their convention to "a graveyard" so if we can reverse the recent movement towards McBush and leave them deflated after a month of surreptitious attacks, it will highlight just how pathetic and desperate they really are (recent gains notwithstanding).

Fluff, Lalo is trying to to throw you off the scent. There's blood in the water. Time to attack.

"Ordinary Americans are losing their homes. John McCain understand, he often loses track of his homes."

A few more or less, what's the difference? Hey, if you get forclosed, just buy another!

Of course there are real issues to hammer him on, but shit like this, apparently, resonates better with the general electorate. And, besides, it was McCain who started the "out of touch" battle.

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And it was McStain who started the "elitist" battle. And the "celebrity" meme.

Hell, even Oprah knows how many houses she owns.

PEACE

Petty and small? Um, welcome to presidential politics. This is an easy soundbite to tie to McCain's economic plan that also reinforces the idea that he's out of touch. Please, no more advice. This is how campaigns are won. You pray for a quote like this, especially with the economy tanking and home foreclosures on every block.

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Dude, it's not about McCain's personal wealth. It's that he DOESN'T EVEN KNOW how many houses he owns! That shows (a) his lack of attention to detail and (b) a disconnect with his own real-life issues and explains why he thinks the economy is great and home foreclosures aren't a problem.

LOL, what a bunch of crap!

All he has to do now is say - look, I'm talking about the future direction of the country, keeping Americans safe and the Democrats respond by counting my personal money?

This is just reinforcing the "not ready" meme.

I thought yesterday's ideas about exaggerating his national security advantage into a "trigger-happy" caricature and linking that to weakness on economy was a really smart idea.

Because it suggests that while McCain is ready to lead, he would lead straight into a disaster.

But it seems that Democrats are hell-bent of sticking to small change and ineffective attacks. Look how well coordinated this house-counting is. On all blogs and House Dems, all orchestrated

You are silly. Is there anything that Obama could do that would make you happy?

Sure - concede to Clinton.

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Newsflash: small change and ineffective are the exact wrong adjectives.

Look at McCain's pathetic attacks of the last month. None of them have the weight these attacks have and they are working.

I think you are laboring under the impression that Americans are smarter than they really are.

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Death by a thousand cuts, my friend. They can castigate Obama about eating arugula but it's petty to mention that McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns? You're a moron.

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Or they say Obama is an elitist because he vacations in "exotic" Hawaii! He was visiting his grandma and sister who live in the 50th state!

I think it's not going to work. It does nothing to address the central question: who's ready to lead. That's where Obama is losing. Yesterday's idea was a million times better.

It's the economy stupid.

McCain isn't ready to lead on the issue voters are most concerned about because he's so out of touch with the trials and tribulations of the American people that he doesn't even know how many homes he owns. Can this guy real feel/understand your foreclosure pain?

This storyline plays perfectly into his support of tax cuts for the rich and kickbacks to big oil.

I'm into the out of touch at home + reckless abroad = not remotely competent to lead attack line.

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It DOES address that question. How can an out of touch millionaire who doesn't even know how many houses he has appreciate the plight of those in the middle class who are struggling to make house payments? He's so out of touch, that he's not ready to lead. Remember, it's all in our heads.

You're just pissed because McCain's rich and now people are dumping on him about. You empathize because you are also wealthy.

Don't get me wrong- I've been reading your comments lately and enjoyed them, but when it comes to the economy, well, you're not exactly progressive, lalo.

I think there are much better ways to take on McCain and they were discussed here yesterday. I think this is not one of them. If it becomes part of a larger strategy, fine. My problem with it is very simple:

- it SOUNDS defensive
- it's not unmistakably about economy

Obama's strategy HAS to connect all the dots (economy, security, anything) with the fact that he is (a) ready and (b) more competent than McCain.

This line of attack just barely falls into (b)

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I don't think it's a matter of how much more competent Obama is as McCain - this quote reduces it to a question of whether McCain is competent or not.

And after sitting through months of gibberish about arugula and herbal tea as the entire basis of McCain's campaign, I think Obama's campaign is due a little fun along those lines.

McCain handed this one to the Dems. It isn't Obama's fault that McCain has to check with his staff on the question of how many houses he owns.

McCain is a liar, out of touch, not in control of his own campaign and failing. He decided to go with a house of cards attack and screwed it up. He showed his hand and now Obama has every right to call the bluff and win the money.

This has nothing to do with jealousy and has everything to do with be beaten at your own game. If you want to play the gambit and you get caught no one feels bad for you.

The McCain Puppet masters need to keep the puppets mouth shut. Can't wait for the debates and I hope they have to appear without Jackets so we can see the transceivers and wires.

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The quote resonated with me. In the last two weeks I have been working like crazy to keep about 6 single hard working moms with jobs and their kids in their homes. ARM resets and declining house prices being what they are some of those families are going to end up homeless. Now the wrinkly white haired old dude proves he is so totally out of touch that he doesn't even know how many houses he has.

Lalo go peddle your concern someplace else.

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If it's so ineffective, why is the McCain campaign throwing everything they have at Obama after this house counting revelation? Tony Rezko, arugula eating, POW, they're his wife's houses (that makes it so much better), POW, POW. Did I mention POW?

No, this is gold and the McCain folks are dumbfounded that they let their guy go off and talk to someone without notes. Keep it up.

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Check out the full quote from Kaine below, posted by flufferwink. He's not just saying, "McCain is rich". He ties it all back to the struggles Americans are facing today and how McCain's solutions to working Americans' struggles is to provide more breaks to the wealthy.

There isn't any need to exaggerate McCain's excessive focus on military force and sabre rattling . Just calling more attention to what is there is sufficient.

People want a President that understands their concerns and is in touch with their struggles. A person who is worth tens of millions and doesn't even know how many houses he owns is very far from the economic world most of us live in. I mean really, to not even know? Thats a pretty basic fact about his personal financial situation. He is even out of touch with that.

We democrats cannot let him get away with ANYTHING. No freebies. There is much material to work with to show that he is much less than his image. No need to exaggerate, just don't drop the ball.

Who cares what they say in response to attacks as long as they stick? In the words of the immortal HST: Make the bastards deny it. . .

True Dat!

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Tzl;

Some people are concerned with my opponents heterosexuality. :)

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That quote isn't from Truman, it is from Lyndon Johnson. Good quote. A real political truth.

Good point, FreeRider. Having been raised by Republicans, I am programmed to feel and not think. I feel it in my bones when a political attack resonates with me, but I can't explain why it does. I think you just explained why this works with people like myself.

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That the GOP candidate for president is so out of touch that he thinks our economy is doing just fine, thinks you aren't rich until you hit $5M in annual income, and doesn't even know how many homes he owns isn't petty, small, or desperate - it gets right to the heart of the matter....on the economy - voters top concern, by far - McCain is completely disinterested, uninformed, and would be a disaster as president. It's a perfect soundbite to catch voters' attention - many will think, "is he kidding?" - after which you can then attack McCain's policies. You need a hook. The celeb thing was stupid and juvenile but it was a hook that allowed McCain to then talk about how Obama is inexperienced and not ready to lead. (in his opinion, of course, not mine)

When McCain keeps up with the "Celebrity Obama is raising taxes on your family because celebrity's love to spend" message, this is a perfect counter.

It'd be a great ad: McCain thinks that if you earn $5 million a year, then you're rich. Below that, you're just struggling. A million a year? How many houses will that buy you? Probably not enough to lose count of them all. But really, the rich are unhappy, unlike folks like this family (shot of the Cratchits from an old "Christmas Carol" movie). Vote McCain -- God bless us, everyone!

What a surpise, Lalo, you are jumping around from thread to thread throwing bombs and anything Obama, his campaign or his supporters say or do.

True colors, pal.

There's more from Tim Kaine:

I'm not surprised that folks feel favorable toward John McCain, but I think as they look at the direction they want to take the nation, feeling favorably about him as a public servant and what he's done in the past is one thing, but embracing someone who has been part of the Bush economic strategy, and whose basic proposal on how to help the economy is to focus on how the wealthy are doing...

I understand that Senator McCain was asked yesterday this question: "How many houses do you own?" And he couldn't answer that question, he couldn't count high enough apparently to even know how many houses he owned. We've got Americans who are struggling with foreclosures, which are skyrocketing in Virginia and elsewhere, gas prices, jobs slowing down, deficits at a record level, we've got to have somebody who will change the direction of this economy. John McCain won't do it, but Barack Obama understands the new economy and he will.

Yeah. That was a real surprise. He's polished himself well.

I still think he's a long shot for the VP slot.

I've been liking Kaine's commentary lately. Very clever, funny, with a definite punch.

Please make him a regular surrogate Obama camapaign (if he's not vp)!!!

That Kaine is sounding pretty lucid!

So, McCain proposes a tax plan based on happiness levels? Awesome.

Exactly!
That is why his entire economic plan is a joke!

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Now we need to figure out who the happy billionaires are and tax the hell out of them!!!

Damnit, you know who seems pretty damn happy? Paris Hilton! Riches to rags baby, that's hot!

That Kaine is one lucid fellow!

Nice job, Gov. Kaine! He did great with this and I hope will continue to be a hard working surrogate even if not picked as VP (and I hope he won't, too "inexperienced").

This is an excellent opening, Obama and Dems need to push it for all it's worth. It's not petty at all- the guy can't even keep track of how many houses he has - plus, his "spiritual" answer about the true meaning of wealth is total BS for a candidate. McCain's policies will help the rich a lot and the middle class, not. (private health care accounts? Are you kidding???)

His dodging of questions on facts and figures (in this interview and at Saddleback, etc.) shows he doesn't really care about these bread and butter issues. I am having a hard time paying bills, and to me, every dollar counts! McCain doesn't care about me, that much is clear.

Finally an attempt to brand him beyond just as a third Bush term. Keep up the Bush tactics, but you need to expand on it, make the country think he's an asshole, beyond policy decisions.

Liberals know what an asshole McCain is: the constant off color comments, the sleazy deals, the disgusting two-faced nature of his 'straight talk' image, etc, etc. There is a huge laundry list of legitimate character problems John McCain has, and no one seems ready to call him on them.

This is about damn time. McCain had it right with the celeb ad - a personality smear, followed by a lie about policy. Obama can use this same tactic, but he doesn't have to lie because McCain's truth is bad enough as it is!

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Make fun of McCain for not knowing how many houses he has, or thinking millionaires are middle-class, but don't make fun of the suggestion that working people can be "rich in other ways."

I mean, that's true, right?

Of course it's true, but it's not what the question is asking.

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I agree. McCain should have never even offered up the $5M figure. By doing so, he leaves himself open to the "out of touch" charge. He could have answered the question without throwing out a dollar figure. He did, giving us a view into his mind, a mind where somebody making $3M a year is middle class.

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And remember, that 5M figure is Annual Income, not assets owned. Big f'n difference.

It's true, but not coming from somebody who doesn't know how many houses he has, somebody who's wife is worth over $100M.

I think I'll consult Buddha on that one and not a candidate for president.

This is good, but is anyone at Camp Obama planning to pound McGoo's recent show of support for a military draft?

Chuck Todd calculates that if Obama banged that issue, his support among 18-34-year-olds would double.

Just sayin.

I think the media is going to take this thread and run with it. I bet the O's are waiting to see if and how this story has legs before devoting resources to it. At worst, I'm sure we will see much made about this at the convention on Security Day.

It's actually great, fortunate timing that they released a few really great ads (Ralph Reed/Atl, Yucca Mtn/Nevada) just when the Dems were getting restless, and yet they all of a sudden have at least 3 more angles of attack on top of that (houses, what is rich, and the draft) that REALLY play into the overall Dem memes of "It's The Economy Stupid, Again" and "McCain's a Dangerous Hothead".

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Shrubbit,

Despite our differences over the past couple of days, I should stop and say I agreed with the substance of what you were saying all along.

My whole point was that Obama was going to do exactly what you were saying he should do, but at his own time.

It's frustrating to watch this campaign work, because they are disciplined beyond belief. The result is it creates the appearance of inaction when they're actually looking for an undeniable line of attack - which McCain gave them on a silver platter yesterday.

And because of their holding back until a week before the conventions, I'm expecting McCain to go into his convention with much higher negatives than he thought he would.

Could you imagine what we would be hearing if it was Obama who had all the houses and the $500 Italian loafers?

It's about freakin' time the other Dems started taking shots at Grampy McSame.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR MCCAIN!!!!

All kidding aside 2 things come to mind.

1) How can you not know how many homes you own?

2) He still hasn't answered the damn question!!! What does he qualify as "rich?"

!!!JohnSidneyMcMENTUM™!!!! (III)

Welcome back! My ™ signs just don't go over as well as yours.

Your country needs you, Idiotic.

Welcome back, son.

The real reason is that his campaign will come up with the number of house that he, himself, owns. The ones his wife owns don't count because their finances are completely seperate.

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Yeah, that will work, not!

I bet nothing is in his name. He can't say, "Oh, I don't own any homes," because nobody is stupid enough to believe that.

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Even if his staff comes out with a statement that says "John McCain only owns one house", the damage is still done.

'cause the average American knows exactly and without thinking how many homes they own....

McLiar is your typical old, white, country club elitist. C'mon...he old men own 6 properties, 3 of which are in the D.C., Virginia area.

McLiar is your typical old, white, country club elitist. C'mon...the old man owns 6 properties, 3 of which are in the D.C., Virginia area.

Awesome. Great 'surrogacy' from Kaine.

McCain is filthy rich. Not a little rich, but obscenely rich. He got his money and political connections by dumping his loser first wife (seriously injured in car accident) and having affair with rich heiress.

(And it bears pointing out that his wife got all that money from 1) promoting alcohol to underager drinkers at college sports despite protests from many and 2) sales of America businesses to Europeans.

Selling Budweiser to Europeans might make the McCains even richer -- hey, buy yourself another jet!!-- but it stinks for anyone who cares about America having any companies left after 8 years of GOP misrule.)

Looking at a comment by hyperRevue I have come up with a great line of attack against the McCain campaign that should be carried out by surrogates!

McCain's tax/economic policy/ideas is based on wealth and happiness outside of monetary construct. Which is why his entire economic plan is big joke!

This should made a theme throughout the rest of the campaign...like the celebrity attack from the McCain camp.

And the top 2% are laughing all the way to the bank!

but Barack Obama understands the new economy and he will.

oohh, i really like that 'new economy' reference. wrap it up with st john's earlier quotes about his learning curve on the internet to really illustrate the point.

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I think this is actually a good place to start. People are really hurting economically right now. My family is well off in terms of income but we have HUGE debt. The thought of someone having TEN houses while we are struggling to keep ours- it makes me angry. I can imagine it does for other people too. Think about the people you personally know who are significantly wealthier than you- ever feel resentment? Now magnify it because you don't personally know McCain and he is richer than anyone you know. Pair that with his being out of touch- doesn't know how we feel- will give tax breaks to people like himself and Obama's story of rising from nothing- single mom, food stamps etc- I think it is a winner. It ties policy to natural resentment and people's feeling of insecurity- not about national security but financial security. I like this way of going- it also undermines the Obama celebrity meme without addressing it head on.

McMoney: You're rich when you don't know how rich you are.

It's about damn time.

Don't forget the $520 imported Italian loafers! That shit is gold, GOLD!

And it's got to be a humorous approach, damnit. Got to look like you're having fun with it. Don't come off all serious, you're just poking fun at Daddy Warbucks McCain.

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Gold-Bricker McCain is more like it.

For god sakes, there are months when they run up a 100K on thier credit cards. Think about that...

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Why isn't anyone talking about the value of the dollar since Bush took over. Those loafers would only be about under $300 right now.

McCain went on, "As for me personally, I'm rich in the 'I left my first wife after she became disabled and married a woman half my age who was worth $100 million' kind of way. But really, since our annual income doesn't quite reach the $5 million mark, it gets tough some months when we run up a $900,000 credit card balance, sometimes it even takes two months to pay it off."

This is gold. Sure it's silly, but so was Kerry's "I was for it before I voted against it." This needs to be repeated ad nauseum. It's the founding block of "McCain's an uber-rich guy who has no clue what it's like for a regular Joe." There's plenty of other threads to weave together.
McCain started the whole "grand" lifestyle meme. It's time to hoist him on his own petard.

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Let's rephrase the question:

Senator McCain, how many of your homes will have to be foreclosed before you are homeless?

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OK, Obama campaign, make sure you keep emphasizing this point. You've had multiple opportunities in the past to drive home an unflattering message about "nation of whiners" McCain, but you let those opportunities evaporate.

John McCain can't keep track of how many homes he owns. Rich, to John McCain, is someone making 5 million a year. John McCain is completely out of touch with the average American. Simple, understandable, and easy to repeat.

Plus, it reinforces the "John McCain is confused" theme that was put into play six weeks ago (and dropped, as usual).

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Wait! Wait!

I note a tear in McInsane's voice when he talks about unhappy billionaires . . . Could his angry, gruff exterior be hiding a broken soul tortured mountains of cash?

We all need to back up off this sad old soulless bastard. Obviously, he is crying inside.

This is gold, Jerry. GOLD!

Sniff, sniff. I smell desperation.

Obama is the one having $8 million fundraiser with Silicon Valley billionaires eating lavender salt encrusted medallions of beef at the Fairmont on Nob Hill in San Francisco. Flying around in luxury that would make the Rolling Stones jealous. Taking Carribean and Hawaiian vacations.

He's just a man o' the peeps and McCain is the elitist?

Bwahahaha.

"Flying around in luxury"

Seriously? You're gonna go with that? You are aware that the McCain's have their own private jet because Cindy thinks it's the only way to travel around Arizona, right?

Fuck. I didn't realize that was Fogu2.

Disregard...

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Tee hee. Fogu snookered you with the new (typically offensive) avatar....

Talk to the avatar.

So you're against the American dream.

The dream of dropping your banged-up wife to marry a hotter one worth millions?

Or was that the dream of re-inventing yourself as a crusading corruption fighter after accepting gifts while actively trying to cover up the biggest banking scandal in American history?

I get confused as to which American dream McCain's living in today. :-)

That's what you can get when you work hard in life. Struggle, discipline, focus with a good education. That's how you get your hands on the American dream.

You don't leave your newly disabled wife when she needs you most and run off with some blonde millionaire heirress so you can prance around in $520 Italian loafers.

Barack Obama is a self-made man. Cindy's beer baron father made John McCain.

Do you get a happy ending from Carly Fiorina for that post? What are they giving away today in McCainland?

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I really, really hope that some McCain surrogate justifies this by saying he was a POW.

I really hope someone does that.

I really, really hope that some McCain surrogate justifies this by saying he was a POW.

Granted!

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As for this question:

Surely these McCain quotes will get every bit as much attention as John Edwards' $400 haircut, right?

They will, if the Democrats pound this message, over and over and over.

And over.

And over.

And over.

And let's not forget this nice little home ownership story:

Obama Got Discount on Home Loan

"It's certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average," said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president.

Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, has no mortgages on properties he owns

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070103008_pf.html

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Not going to work. "How many houses do you own" "I'll have my staff get back to you".

Simple, straightforward, and oh, just picked up by Joe Klein at Swampland.

His description? One word: devastating.

You could have stopped at Joe Klein. Shill.

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Shill=fogu2

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You know how bad this is, don't you?

What do this story, fogu2, and John McCain have in common?

Old, tired news that doesn't go anywhere.

Talk to the avatar.

I probably should. It's more eloquent than you.

Obama is already out with an ad on this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo&e

They definitely smell blood.

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I like that ad.

I love the little home shown in the beginning, with the kid on the bicycle.

I'm guessing they definitely smell blood--that ad went up FAST.

Beautiful!

It's NOT A "GAFFE." A gaffe is a mistake.

He really doesn't know how many homes he owns.

Then he says he'll have a staffer get back to you.

- say, Joe, can you get some joe-mentum behind that one?

- sure boss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo new obama ad about the houses.............

Well, now we know why Senator Straight Talk said that no American would pick lettuce for $50 an hour. (There's room in this line of attack for that old classic, I'm sure. Should play real well with Mr. & Mrs. America.)

"Celeb" ads...eine kleine political attack.

"McCain doesn't know how many houses he owns?"...eine huge economy-size political attack!

That ad is a sucker punch. Well we all wanted the counters and here they come.

Unintended consequence alert.

McCain likely bought those houses legally without any interesting aspects to the deal.

This give McCain a legitimate response that will bring Obama's fishy home loan and Rezko right back into the spotlight.

Of course there will have to be investigations into the personal financial dealing of all the senior Obama handlers. That could get very interesting. Yup, this is definitely of importance to selcting the next president.

Desperation time.

Short reply: bwahahahahahahahahaha!

Longer reply: You're really like a fourth-rate Jerome Corsi. (And Corsi himself is third-rate.)

Obama got a favorable rate perhaps because he had good credit. Just like I did when I bought my house. I pay my bills on time and because of that I am seen as less of a foreclosure risk. Simple economics. And as for McCain, if your wife is worth $100 million, you don't need mortgages. Seriously, that is your response?

You're dumber than you think I think you are.

You're right that Rezko will probably be brought up here - I don't think it will work though.

You're beyond belief. Give it up on Rezko for chrissakes. It's a nonissue. And, by the way, I don't know what you call "interesting aspects" but owning homes because you ditched your first crippled wife and got a license to marry the new younger RICH one before your divorce was even final is pretty interesting to me. McCain's never earned any money himself, it's all Cindy's. He's never done anything but work for the government, which doesn't pay very well as we all know -- albeit his lobbyist friends may have helped him out with a few extra perks here and there, and maybe the Keating Five stuff wound him up with a few extra bucks , or maybe he just hoped it would. But, basically, the guy's a gigolo.

In the quiet words of Fred Fredburger: YES!

Five attacks in a day and a half.

The gloves are off. For real.

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And now, on CNN's Political Ticker, we have this:

The McCain camp later told Politico the Arizona senator and his wife own at least four homes in three states. Other news organizations have reported a higher total.

At least four homes in three states. Well, that certainly makes John seem like Joe Six Pack, doesn't it?

BTW, fogu, it appears this little gaffe might have some legs. It's frontpaged at CNN.com.

This puts McCain in a bind for his VP selection, because Romney would be nuclear in this environment, both in his wealth and from his days as a venture capitalist (called a robber baron in other elections).

This could push him towards Pawlenty.

Also McCain's attacks on Romney can be used against them. Like the quip about "laying people off" etc.

YouTube here we come!

I'd be happy if he picked Pawlenty, since that'd torpedo his career here in MN when McCain loses in the fall.

The longer we can keep McCain and the GOP struggling to answer this question, attempting to explain and parse and define, the better. It's just 100% pie

About time!!

Great stuff. Hit this SOB hard.

He's a gaffe machine. Keep it coming, Johnny boy.

Brand him as a man of 10 houses. Then, as per IMF's predictions, if and when one of the larger US credit banks falls (most likely Bank of America, and possibly within the election cycle), generate further context to that initial branding...clips of Phillip Graham's "whiners" comment, McCain's "I don't know much about the economy" comment.

But whatever the next blow-up situation, be it international (Georgia) or domestic (economy), Obama needs to get ahead of McCain.

Its "Phil Gramm"...just a clarification from someone here in Texas who had to put up with the SOB.

Speaking of Gramm....

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Yeah - every time forclosures go up, an Obama surrogate can mention it and end with, '...and John McCain still has ten houses.'

The gift that keeps on giving.

Here's the game folks: all tit no tat

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It is kind of a sad commentary that the reason this story will get so much is play is because of its core absurdity, which gives it far more traction in the media than the populist symbolism the Dems are attaching to it. After all, the underying information (how many homes McCain actually owns) doesn't matter very much to the media. Nor do McCain's policies relating to wealth. All that matters is that John McCain said a silly, silly thing that makes the political class chuckle. To the extent McCain's gaffe has any meaning whatsoever to Halperin and his ilk, it is that McCain was unprepared for an easy question.

Of course, it is Karl Rove's world and we just live in it. Absurdity, mockery, gaffes, gotcha moments, and symbolic revelations of "character" now trump policy and substance on every level of the debate. And Saint John McCain just walked right into a statement of truly devine mockery. That his silly statement will now be construed as revealing of his underlying "character" is simply the Pavlovian response of the Rove-trained media. They don't believe it, but they know how to follow the script.

Huh? The dude doesn't know how many houses he owns...If that's not relevant to him being out of touch, then I don't know what is.

The petard couldn't have hoisted a more appropriate engineer.

Yes! It's about time to make McCain "relax and enjoy it". See how his sense of humor holds up and all...

It's time for a Celebrity Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous ad.

Now it's time to meet John McCain, republican candidate for president and erstwhile star of the big screen (show movie cameos) and television (SNL, Tonight Show, etc.) John, What does it take to be rich in America? (Play quote) Now let's look at some of John's lavish homes. (Pan through shots of each property) That would be 10 in all, right John? (Play quote) That's John McCain - Candidate of the truly Rich & Famous (Show John with Bush/Cheney).

Quite!

Populism, YES!, that's the ticket!!

In this instance, it isn't "character" that is the issue-its his knowledge of economic issues, who he surrounds himslef with, etc...this is just shedding light on his own SELF ADMITTED inadequacy...

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Come on, fogu2, you might be a partisan, but you know the rules of the game. The true number of houses McCain owns doesn't matter. Nor does the "populist" symbolism the Dems are attaching to his gaffe. ALL that matters is that McCain said something weird and goofy and absurd. Nothing more.

It is just like Obama's "air in your tires" statement. The underlying truth didn't matter - all that mattered was that Obama said something kind of goofy and weird that was easy to mock.

I agree the Republicans will try to connect it to Obama's fishy loan, but I doubt it will work. The story is "McCain said something stupid," nothing more, nothing less. His best bet it is to distract the media with a new story, because the stupidity of this story is what gives it legs.

Indeed, 'Mom and Hyper. The electorate has spoken and what they say is "I dunno about this stuff but I heard someone said such and such about so and so". It seems that negative comments are the ones that trickle all the way down -- as the recent shifts in the polls show.

Hopefully, Obama will continue to have a message for the informed and another for the rest.

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It's two pronged attack on two very tangible McCain weaknesses.

One, he's an out of touch multi-millionaire who has no sense of the economic hardships of the middle class.

Two, he's so old and senile he can't even keep remember something as simple as how many houses he owns.


If you're in an offensive state of mind, Cain is good for one of these verbal or mental blunders every few days. I have no idea why it took Obama this long to get into this attacking mindset, but better late than never.

Because it turns out the HE owns ZERO houses...

His wife's family owns them, and they aren't houses, they are condos.

It was on every single evening newscast last night, Obama's ad looks stupid now.

Call a spade a spade.

a guy who has no working knowledge of the internet and the computer cannot fully appreciate the value of information technology. in the same way, a man who is unaware of how many real estate property he owns and who therefore does not take personal responsibility over it/them, cannot fully appreciate the burden the middle class is going through. mccain is truly out of touch.

1. "when asked how many homes he owned, mccain didn't know off hand and said he'd need his campaign to tell him."

2. "when asked what income level he thought makes someone rich, mccain guessed that someone would have to make $5 million before he'd consider them rich."

mccain is so rich he doesn't even know how many homes he owns and thinks people who make $4 million dollars a year are middle class.

OUT. OF. TOUCH.

‘The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something I’ve Understood As Well As I Should’

NO. KIDDING.

the ad writes itself. (leave the loafers and credit card balances out - let folks fill in the blanks with those sorts of details. they're just the parsley on the plate next to this meat and potatoes.)

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The fact is not everyone can have 10 houses. Every xtra house that he owns just makes the american dream for the middle class that much harder to get,....it plays into the corporate profits theme.

Since McCain's camp mentioned it: Where does McCain go on vacation to? I would be surprised that it's only ten houses,...maybe just 10 in the US. Does he have a villa next to Romneys on the riveria? 100 million can go a long ways,...even despite the downfall of the dollar since Bush took office.

...I am not sure the average American buys your logic.

It took construction workers to build those condos, so Cindy paid their salary by purchasing the house...

...does she employ 10 maids? 10 Gardeners? 10 interior designers?

Me buying a house has nothing to do with your ability to buy one. In fact, if you are construction worker, it may very well help you.

This is the problem because too many Democrats think the economy is a zero sum game. Democrat economists, like me, get red-faced mad when we see that.

The more I spend, the more jobs I create, which in turn allows those people to spend...and so on and so on.

It is a fallacy that one man's fortune makes another man poor. Let the man be wealthy, just make him pay taxes commensurate with his wealth, but do not blame poverty on him...


I am not sure how fruitful this line of attack is, and Kaines (can't count high enough) comment was less than Presidential.

I am sorry guys, but there is a huge risk here. Trying to portray McCain as a bumbling slobbering old man might seem to make sense, until we have another Saddleback moment where the media agrees that it was Obama who was bumbling around giving meandering answers.

If the slobbering old man bests Barack (or even matches him) in the debates, and I am not so naive as to think it might not happen, then what will that make all of this look like? Barack gets beaten by the bumbling old man?

THEY ARE LOWERING EXPECTATIONS FOR MCCAIN!!!

Bush artfully did this in 2000 when he talked down his abilities to debate. The left relentless replayed Bushism after Bushism until America was convinced he could not speak English.

Then he proceeded to come out and hold his own against Gore, while Gore went off like an obnoxious grad student. Gore probably actually won on points, but the fact that Bush did not pee his pants made the perception seem that Bush actually beat him.

The same thing happened against Kerry.

Also, I am not sure playing up the age thing is a good idea politically. This is an aging country and they will turn out in droves.

I am astonished at how giddy everyone is over this ad. It is not even clear that it is factually correct.

According to the Politico, McCain does not actually own any houses himself, his wife's family owns them...so are we attacking Cindy McCain for owning too many condo's? Is that our strategy, to attack Cindy McCain's condos?

It is frivolous and reduces Barack's stature. It gave a wonderful opening to the Rezko mess, which almost nobody in the mainstream knew about. They will now...AHHHHHH!

Attacking Cindy McCain's condos vs. Scrutiny (and possibly a debate question) on Rezco is not a winning trade-off folks. The Rezko thing is an ugly affair for which Barack does not have any real defense. Rezko was indeed a scumbag.

Also, it is well documented that McCain goes everywhere doing unscripted town halls, I cannot wait until the do an ad that compares the number of town halls Barack has done vs. McCain.

It is going to be real hard to keep up this "out of touch" message when the other guy has done 5 times as many town hall events.

Sorry to give you a dose of reality, but I still think Barack's team has their head screwed on backwards.

They have done little right since the primary...

...and this $5 million thing guys...come on.

Every channel showed the footage of the event and it was obvious McCain was joking. FactCheck.org is already call him Barack the Butcher for taking quotes out of context.

The problem is that nobody believes that McCain actually thinks that because he was joking. He even said "they will use that one out of context".

That prompted the local Denver affiliate to do a spot on how quotes get taken out of context...AND THEY USED THAT EXAMPLE!

...and here we are with the mighty David Axelrod saying with a straight face that this is what McCain actually meant. It diminishes credibility, and the fact that McCain said they would use that actually makes this look worse.

Lastly, when do people equate being rich with not understanding what is going on in the world?

When did Americans start equating being rich with being stupid...

People EXPECT leaders to be wealthy. THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

If people expect McCain to be rich, what good does it do to confirm it?

...and he is not even in the top 20 wealthiest Senators.

Why can't David Axelrod produce a decent ad...really. Why? Just someone tell me why?

The fact that you guys are scripting your own ads for them proves that nobody has any confidence in these guys....NONE!

Who cares what factcheck.org has to say about anything? No one pays attention to them?

Guess what, McCain is an elitist with a rich heiress wife. Kerry was portrayed as an elitist, with a rich heiress wife- he was sound ly beaten by a member of the Bush family (can you say uber-elite?) who likes getting photographed on the porch of his Texas ranch in his shirt sleeves and says "folks" so often he slips and calls terrorists "folks".

This shit works. Not only that - it's friggin relavent and true. McCain went to an AFL-CIO function and told a bunch of $20 - $40/hr skilled tradesmen that they wouldn't do mindless meanial labor in hot weather for $50/hr.

Oh yeah? I am a technician that works on roofs and in boiler rooms of industrial buildings for less than $50/hr in my check. Temperatures are usually between 90 and 110 degrees and it's way more humid than Arizona, and I'm usually carting and hoisting around 100lb plus peices of equipment while diagnosing and repairing complex electrical and mechanical problems in these conditions. I am at the top end of the wage range for my job and there are few jobs that pay more.

It' hard to figure out which is worse: McCain thinking $50/hr (100 grand a year) is not worth working your ass off for, or McCain thinking that no American workers are willing to work their asses off for a nice wage.

No one can deny that McCain thinks US workers won't work when conditions are harsh, even if the pay is substantial.

I am stunned that he is even able to show his face in a crowd after this kind of pure working class bashing.

For any of you Obama supporters who think a wealthy career politician who doesn't even keep count of the multiple plush living compounds he and his wife keep all around the country, and has the nerve to tell me that the reason non citizens are needed to keep fresh food on their table is because no Americans will work for them at any price, I say F*** you -- vote for the out of touch warmongering rich douchebag then.

How many houses does John own?

Let's see. Probably zero; hard number to remember. First wife Carol received two houses as part of the divorce settlement so John could marry Cindy Lou. Cindy Lou must have realized something about John as they had a prenuptial agreement where she kept most of the Hensley family assets, their finances are separate, and they file separate income tax returns.

An elitist comment like this should be a wakeup call for middle class Republicans. I'm sure there are many of them who have lost or are losing their homes to foreclosure.

Not to mention the children they've lost to a dishonorable oil war.

I see Lalo using the amazing contortionist right wing rationalization tact to manipulate hard facts into conservative reality. And lalo has it down pretty good. Of course lalo has had plenty of practice.

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