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Another Swift-Boating Ad To Slime Obama In Key Swing States

In another sign that the Obama campaign wasn't just crying wolf in its warnings about the coming Swift-Boat attacks, the pro-war group Vets for Freedom is sinking over a million dollars into a new ad that hammers Barack Obama for his Iraq stance and his purported refusal to acknowledge the service of American troops.

In keeping with the GOP message that Obama is insufficiently respectful of the military, the spot features Iraq veterans proclaiming that "I am the Surge," and calls upon Obama to recognize their success:

This comes on top of another new ad from the "American Issues Project," financed by a right-wing oilman, tying Obama to former 60s radical Bill Ayers.

This new ad will air in Denver this week, in Minnesota next week, and from there in the swing states of Colorado, Michigan, Ohio and Virginia for four weeks, at a total cost of $1.1 million.


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snakes...

Is it just me or is this a really stupid tactic. Call Obama?

So his people can explain how you are being swift boated and lied to? Bring up McCain's GI bill problem?

Why would they want you to CALL OBAMA?

Petraeus Disagrees With McCain, Says Success In Iraq Was Possible Without The Surge!

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/25/petraeus-mccain-victory/

these people are douche bags. Shouldn't they be trying to help wounded veterans at poorly kept VA hospitals

PUMA at the convention: day 1

I am The Surge (and so can you)! Wow that ad is lame.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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Any ad with a phone number and a Senate resolution number is automatically terrible.

I'm glad they are sinking their million dollars into this ad. It's totally ineffective. One viewing of the MoveOn.org ads with Iraq veteran amputees would totally undercut this message. Those ads have emotion. This ad just has three soldiers saying the surge worked. Even if voters believe them and agree, so what? I think the conclusion then is great, now let's bring the troops home.

Also, Eric, I didn't hear where they "hammered...his purported refusal to acknowledge the service of American troops." It probably would have been more effective, although obviously false, if they had done so.

527 groups need to be targeting a legislative issue - this is why the Ayers ad is illegal. At least this group knows the rules, and made the ad about an issue, even in a round about way.

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Even so, they could have made a much more effective ad than this one.

I'z iz the SURGE!!!!

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Example 127 of why you guys keep losing the unlosible elections.

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I know Obama disarmed the Democratic 527 groups, but I don't think the campaign is capable of taking on these clowns and McCain at the same time.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I am not talking about a responsive ad that appears twice. I am talking about a Keating5 ad. I am talking about a Cindy Hensley ad. I am talking about going after the McCain 527 assholes tooth and tong. I am talking about telling the God's truth about John McCain. Enough pussyfooting around.

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The Dems must step up their game and go on the offensive quickly. Defensive responses, no matter how accurate and clever, will not suffice. Also, John McCain needs to be called for his hypocrisy on such slime big time, not only by Obama and the Dems, but by the media as well.

I've got a Surge.

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Oh brother. It really would be a miracle if the right wing media reported reality as opposed to spin. The "surge" was by and large meaningless. Pathetic.

This is EXCELLENT NEWS for the SURGE!!!

Who's using troops for political gain?

General Patraeus said yesterday that the Surge was only part of the reason for the drop in violence, crediting more so the Anbar Awakening.

That didn't stop Pawlenty to propose him as McCain's VP. Enough said.

Actually didn't Pawlenty say Obama should have chosen Patraeus as HIS running mate?

Fact checked. You're right. My bad.

http://www.mncampaignreport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1790

Still it was a stupid comment.

Wouldn't Petraeus have been prohibited from campaigning as an active-duty officer, anyways?

Yeah, taking down our 527 groups was suicidally high-minded of Obama. You'd think the Kerry campaign had taught us that when you take the high road, you wind up going off a cliff.

Seriously, the troops prefer Obama, what, 6 to 1?

In terms of donations, yeah. I don't remember what the figures were for troops contributing to one side or the other, but it's probably pretty similar.

Although Lieberman and Graham left when ethics violation questions came up, It should be noted:

Sens. Joseph Lieberman and Lindsey Graham both hold chairs for the McCain camp as well as positions on the board of advisers of Vets for Freedom, an advocacy group that supports the Iraq war.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/lieberman-graham-apparent_n_103313.html

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I'd appreciate it if someone could explain something to me. At this point, what does the term "Swift-Boat" mean. It seems to me that it has been expanded to include all negative campaign ads. I do not associate the content of this ad with the type of attack that Swift Boat Veterans for truth made in 2004. The Swift Boat ads were not unusual because they were nasty, vitriolic, and unfair, but rather because they used counter-factual evidence to sow seeds of doubt over one of John Kerry's strengths--his war record.

This ad is disgusting, but is there anything untrue in the ad?

I think we broaden the definition of the word "Swift-Boat" at our own peril. If we call all character attacks from the right "Swift-Boating" the word will have less meaning when actual attacks like those from 2004 inevitably occur.

I think "swift-boating" is basically any "independent" 527 group with a negative ad against the Dems.

I was about to say the same thing. Poor ad, easily refutable message, etc., but no blatant falsehoods that impugn a candidate's character, which I believe was the original connotation of "swift-boating." I really hate when these preposterous terms become so ridiculously overused that they lose all meaning.

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Agree. This is an attack ad by an "independent" 527 but there's nothing false in the ad, just a disagreement with Obama. That Ayers ad is what I would call a "swift boat" ad. That Texas GOP ad featuring Obama's half-brother (could there be any topic more ridiculous and more irrelevant) is a "swift boat" ad. I wouldn't put this in the "swift boat" category - let's not overuse the term.

How did McCain vote on the G.I. bill?

He didn't even show up. After attempting to amend the bill to give them the less benefits as the Webb version and having to serve 12 YEARS to get it- McCain couldn't even bother to show up to vote on the GI Bill.

--“Sen. McCain is looking for political cover here in a very difficult situation, and so what he’s done is try to hijack another bill,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), the Democratic front-runner. “He’s trying to bring his version of the GI bill to a vote on the Senate floor, so he can say he at least tried.”--

--Graham’s plan would give $2,000 in monthly benefits to veterans who have served 12 years or longer.

The Webb plan, modeled after the GI Bill from World War II, would ensure that veterans receive educational benefits for 36 months, including the full cost of tuition, the cost of purchasing books and a monthly stipend. But some Republicans have objected to the cost and scope of the measure.--

Which plan do you think better serves the sacrifices the troops make for our country?

McCain- no vote, co-sponsored Graham's bill

Obama- voted and strongly backed Webb's bill

Who has the best interest of the troops in mind?


McCain didn't even show to vote on Webb's bill. I guess it was his and Graham's cheap, joke of a bill or nothing. He was too busy raising money in crazy, liberal, gay-loving California to even show up to vote on it.

Even Republican's thought McCain's bill was CRAP!

McCain doesn't show to many of the votes anyway...

Yeah, not only is he a POW, he's also been MIA from the Senate for what a year and half?

McCain's criticism of the Webb bill is that it was too generous and would encourage folks to leave the Military.

I'm hoping they're saving up this attack for later and not have decided not to use it.

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Also, why aren't the Dems just hammering McCain, Bush and the GOP for all of the disastrous aspects of the Iraq War: dishonest use of intelligence, lack of planning, lack of accountability, cronyism, the billions that have been spent, the bogus promises that war would pay for itself, billions and billions gone missing, and by the way , John McCain and George Bush, where the fuck is Osama bin Laden? That in itself should be a focus of an ad. This guy murdered 3,000 Americans and the GOP can't bring him to justice - what's up with that?!

Vets for Freedom: Let's get SURGED!

Wait for it, this troop pander/politicization will blow up in McCareless' face.

Though I would like an ad featuring McCain's promises to run a clean campaign and take on 527's. What happened? Behind in the polls? Ya think?

Barack needs to hit McCain/Bush hard on opposition to the Webb GI Bill.

Webb in particular has been outspoken about the tactic of politicizing the troops for cheap partisan points.

Whatever happened to the Pentagon policy putting partisan politics off limits for active-duty military?

Maybe these guys left the service to go to college ...

Honestly, I'm not too upset with this ad. If 527s restrict themselves to this kind of attack, I'd be a happy man. And 1.1 million spent on this ad is 1.1 million that won't be dedicated to calling Obama a terrorist.

Why aren't the democrats using their convention to hammer McCain? They keep making the same mistakes.

Wait for it. It's coming. Build unity first, then ATTACK!

Hmm...i think you're right. Build up then plan a major assault.

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Judging by past performance, I'd say the lack of immediate response to yesterday's smear indicates that Plouffe and Axelrod have an even bigger bomb to drop on McCain when the time is right.

The entire GOP/527 campaign ad apparatus is creaky and worn, and showing signs of breaking down altogether. These new jacks just don't have the knack for putting together a really devastating ad from what I've seen so far.

They keep grinding out stuff that is sub-par when you compare it to smear ads from past campaigns. The new generation of GOP smear-meisters is a lame imitation of the guys who worked for Bush I and even Bush II.

I'll wait and see what Obama's shop counters with. Five bucks says it'll be nasty.

McCain's critics in the veteran community are out there, but his fan club in the media won't give them voice the way they amplified the swiftboat liars.

You go to war with the army you have, not the all-intelligent-people army you wish you had.

Obama saves up his ammo and waits to use it. He sat on the Gramm quotes until the most opportune time. If he would have raised a stink back when he said it, it would have lost it's effect to use now.

I'm hoping this is the case regarding other statements made by McCain and Surrogates especially the Sunni/Shia mix-up that caused Lieberman to whisper in his ear.

Are they the Surge or the secret Surge that took place before the Surge?

I don't know for surge...

Surge-ly you jest....

Surge, brother. I'll take it for surge.

Okay, but don't call me Surge-ly!

Don't test me.

I can go on all day.

I'm surge of that.

oh, surge- you betcha. (MN version).

Surge indeed!

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I'm in a good mood today because my avatar has become relevant again.

Nothing will calm my thirst like a good cold surge!

I think the correct response to this is an ad giving the gruesome details about McCain's "support" for the troops. All the main pro-vets/troops groups' marks for McCain are 30% or lower, Obama hits 80% or more. McCain opposed the G.I. bill.

I do not think specifically mentioning the 6-to-1 troop donation ratio is necessarily a good pick, it seems a bit tacky--even though it actually gives the best overall picture of how those guys feel.

What else?

Agreed. This opens the door for all of that shit.

There's a list a mile long on all of McCain's horrible votes on veteran's issues. It's HORRIBLE! I seriously believe this is his Achilles heel- it's that bad.

Like James Henley, McCain supports the Iraq occupation but not the troops.

Chet Edwards had a good start. Check it:

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6522

Between Jim Webb and Chet Edwards, we should be hounding McCain/Bush on the GI Bill.

Here in Texas, Democrat (Lt. Col.) Rick Noriega is pounding Sen. John Cornyn on the issue.

You want surge? I got your surge right here.

Good link to all of McCain's horrible votes AGAINST veteran's issues:

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq.

McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.


McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities

McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes

McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq

McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000.

Turning his back on his own- John McCain- He doesn't give a SHIT about the troops.

(Above from the link)

The Obama campaign needs to forcefully link McCain's embrace of all these swift-boat style attacks to their meme of him being a continuation of Bush politics.

Obama - Biden 2008
"Hope over Fear"

The good news is that the media doens't seem to be allowing themselves to be used like they did during 2004.

I haven't seen much coverage of these attacks on the news. Yet.

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You are kidding, right? The right-wing media is a total propoganda outlet for republicans. They regurgitate the right-wing talking points as if they are true and do no reporting of facts. It's pathetic and a huge problem.

I've seen more coverage of these ads on here than on TV.

Senator Obama:
It is time to fight. It's time to bring up McCain's past associations with Keating. It's time to bring out the Vets for Obama. It's time to call John McCain a liar. It's time to call him a weasely flip-flopper.It's time to call him old and easily distracted. It's time to take the gloves off. Senator Obama, game on.

You know, instead of publishing every baseless smear against Obama that McCain's side comes up with, maybe you could do some actual reporting and push the MSM to report the fact that, as many commenters here have noted, Republicans don't give damn about the troops except as cannon fodder. this is what the right wing blogosphere does, and it works. Imagine how effective it might be for the left, who have the advantage of limiting their smears to truth about their political opponents.

Just saying. Your coverage is as pathetic as the four-hour episodes of "As the Hillary Turns" on the cable news programs last night.

The surge would not have been nearly as effective, or possibly effective at all, without the Sunni awakening. It would not have mattered very much how many additional troops were sent to the Anbar province without the support of the local population in pointing out where the IEDS or Al Qaeda operatives were located. I read somewhere (you may take that with however many grains of salt you wish) that this cooperation was fueled by briefcases full of hundred dollar bills. If the previous sentence is true, that means that we bribed, the Sunni sheiks in the Anbar province to provide intelligence on our common enemy (Al Qaeda).

The fact that John McCain was unaware of the correct timeline of the Sunni awakening vis-à-vis the surge demonstrates how out of touch he is with his signature issue. The fact that Katie Couric and the CBS news covered for him by editing out his incorrect answer, and substituting another answer shows exactly what we are up against.

Our military, bravely carries out each mission they are tasked with performing. But the primary reason for the success of this particular operation was intelligence provided by the Sunnis.

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You know McCain has been stuck on this same point for some time now, and it's starting to sound like a broken record. If you look the video here on TPM, I believe it's titled "McCain explains and explains", you'll see McCain questioning Gen. Petraeus in Sept. of last year. You'll also see McCain trying to get Petraeus to admit the surge was a sucess. My guess is he was plotting out his run for the white house then, trying get it on tape to use in campaign ads. It's pathetic really.

I invented the surge!

I was a POW!

After that, he's got nothing.

I was there too and I like to ask these veterans when did they leave, when will they hold a election, when will they help the Iraq people re-build, when will they re-gain full sovereignty,when will security continued to improve, when will the U.S. and Iraqi stop haggling for a security agreement, that end this year, if an agreement is not reached, U.S. forces would, in effect, be left with no legal standing to be in Iraq, are they part of immunity for U.S. forces accused of crimes in Iraq,which still has not reached an agreement. All these things have still not been worked out and was part of what they told us the "Surge" would do.
So who are these soldiers and when did they serve, and how is they are home making a commerical.
The President's New Iraq Strategy Is Rooted
In Six Fundamental Elements" as follow:

Let the Iraqis lead;
Help Iraqis protect the population;
Isolate extremists;
Create space for political progress;
Diversify political and economic efforts; and
Situate the strategy in a regional approach.

Gen. David Petraeus Aug 21, 2008 | Updated: 6:09 p.m. ET Aug 21, 2008

As the general's counterinsurgency guidance puts it, under the rubric "Manage Expectations": "Avoid premature declarations of success." And another of his bon mots (the Iraq War is littered with them): "Enemies get a vote too." He is far too politic to refer to the commander in chief's May 1, 2003, declaration of "Mission accomplished." But Petraeus acknowledged that this policy of modesty in the face of success is very much informed by our premature victory ejaculations of previous years (before he took charge, of course). "The champagne bottle remains in the back of the refrigerator," he says. "When you've been in Iraq for as long as actually both of us have, coming up on four years, you're a little less prone to get too excited too quickly."

Petraeus is careful not to credit all the progress to the surge of U.S. troops in 2007. The sea change came last year from a series of movements now known as the Awakening, when Sunnis, organizing around traditional tribal leaders, decided to turn on Al Qaeda as "an organization that embraces an extremist ideology, employs indiscriminate violence, and practices oppressive social customs," in the general's words. One of those customs was a ban on smoking. "That was the turning point when they cut the fingers off the first person who was smoking," he jokes. "Can you imagine an Anbar sheik being told he can't smoke?" So would the Sunni Awakening have succeeded without the surge? Possibly, he concedes, but the surge came at that time and helped empower Sunni leaders, paying their fighters and backing them up on the streets. This is where Seneca the Younger comes in: "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/154587/page/1
SO I ASK AGAIN WHO ARE THESE SOLIDER? AND WHEN WAS THEY LAST THERE?

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At a mere 10 billion a month, you can surge, too.
Call now, our operators are waiting. Come be a part of our al quaeda ass kickin team.

Just Surge and everything will be alright!

Flashback: McCain Agreed To Condemn Swift-Boat Attacks In General Election

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/flashback_mccain_agreed_to_con.php

McCain is a liar.

Can someone please explain to me how a resolution to acknowledge the surge was a "success" helps the troops still in Iraq? Now if the resolution is to bring the troops home that something worth calling for. This idiotic ploy to play politics with the troops is ridiculous.

Petraeus Disagrees With McCain, Says Success In Iraq Was Possible Without The Surge!

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/25/petraeus-mccain-victory/

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What surge are they talking about?The one where we`re paying the insurgents off? Sure it worked.Graft is a wonderful thing.

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Are they the surge?...are they the ones who believed ethnic cleansing was the best way to deal with the Iraq civil war...are they the ones who bombed the Iraqis out of their neighborhoods, displacing millions of families who had to flee the country to save their lives...were they the ones who inflamed the Iraq citizens by their indiscriminate killing that every body was trying to kill them back...were they successful in killing enough people that violence went down, in order to protect and enable the contractor profiteering.???

They must have been so disappointed when they saw that paying the out of work army of Sunnis to battle criminal gangs and al qaeda accomplished the same thing. So these are the members of the Bush/Cheney/Rove killing squad since there were no WMDs and Iraq never posed a threat to our country and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 so they weren't doing it for us or our safety or their country but for these neocon lying mass murders.

I wondered what they looked like. I imagined them all furry with horns that say "I don't care if I'm being used I just want to kill something". Huh? Maybe that is just what they look like on the inside.

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