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ABC: Secret Service Headed To Biden's House

Now this could be something: ABC News reports that the Secret Service has been dispatched to Joe Biden's house, seemingly a giveaway that he's been picked to be Barack Obama's running mate.

If this report is true, then it would be hard to read it any other way than that Biden has already been asked to be the running mate. After all, I've never heard of the Secret Service being sent to protect somebody because they aren't a candidate.


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Hrm. I wish they had done this more sneakily. I mean, now I know. Why did I sign up for the silly text message?

The media is staked out in front of Biden's house. The Secret Service showing up pretty much let the cat out of the bag it seems.

Well, if crazies thought Biden was VP they could try to hurt him, even if he isn't.

But yeah, it's probably him.

The text messages were used for two things, judging from the Obama campaign emails I've received since signing up for the messages:

1) Fundraising (good for them!)

2) Organizing/training organizers (good for them!)

Obama/Biden

five letters in each name, hmm, what does Nancy Reagan's astrologer think?

Like you, I signed up for the text message so that I could learn the news after the Secret Service made sure that the next VP of the United States was well-protected protected.

Yes, it was disappointing that it was "given" away that way. I waited all week with my cell phone within "bars range" to get my text.

I would never have thought Biden would be someone I'd get all that excited about. Didn't know much about him, really. But the more I hear and read, and the facts are coming at us fast, the more amazed I am at my feelings of joy and respect for this guy. And for Obama to choose someone like Biden...well, enough said!

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Biden has called the Bush administration “the worst administration in American foreign policy in modern history, maybe ever. … Every single thing they’ve touched has been a near disaster.” And in an interview last year, he suggested that “we should be acquiring and accumulating” information “for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date.”

This is all I need to love Joe.

PEACE

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"Biden has called the Bush administration “the worst administration in American foreign policy in modern history, maybe ever. … Every single thing they’ve touched has been a near disaster.” "

And Biden voted to give them unilateral power to wage war in Iraq (and anywhere else in the world).

I really have a sick feeling he just handed the election to McCain by playing it "safe" per beltway CW bullshit which has been spectacularly wrong about damn near everything of importance most of my adult life.

Come on, you're repeating yourself all over this thread and never completing the argument. Why exactly are undecided voters going to be obsessed by the details that obsess you?

Remember, most of them supported the Iraq War at the time, as well. They're not as inclined to be unforgiving about it as we are.

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As I have already said, Biden undercuts Obama;s entire argument on Iraq at the knees rhetorically. That alone will hurt Obama with undecided who now think Iraq was a mistake.

Obama's central argument against the 'lack of experience' narrative was "judgement" and Biden ruins that argument because he (Biden) showed the lack of judgment on Iraq.

Biden has admitted that he made a mistake. I'm sure when he's asked about it, he will be able to turn the question around so that it highlights the strength of Obama's judgment.

It's not a bad thing for the veep to have a few weaknesses that cast the Presidential candidate himself in a good light.

Undecided voters aren't obsessed with getting an ideologically pure ticket. The people who care a lot about that sort of thing have already made up their minds.


Here's Biden's response to McWar's surge-mongering on the Senate floor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

'nuff said,

LK

It could be Biden, it could be something to throw the media off the trail.

We'll know soon enough, I guess!

on Larry King, CNN has confirmed that Joe Biden has been asked and he has accepted. Its done.

CNN says that they have confirmation from two sources that it is Biden.

I hope not. Biden voded for the war, and has been in the senate longer than McWar, this contradicts Senator Obama's message...

It doesn't contradict. He would be the one making the decisions, and he would have the backing of someone with more experience. The public likes the change, but is concerned with the experience. I think it makes sense.

Have you ever heard of VPs being selected to BALANCE a ticket? Just wondering.

Have you read Joe Biden's biography? The guy has been to hell and back. And, he is not rolling in money for all his time in the Senate. I think he would be great, guiding Obama through shark infested waters.

How many houses does Biden have?
More importantly, does Biden know how many houses he has?


His personal wealth ranks second from the bottom in the Senate.

I want my darn text message! Might as well send it out now that it is all over CNN.

So much for getting the news first (admittedly, the reality of sending millions of text messages means that I probably would have seen it on the news first anyway).

FOX and AP have also confirmed as well that it is Biden.

Yep, CNN confirms it's Biden! Cool!!!

Someone with a lot of experience might contradict Obama's message - but it also brings in a lot of voters that are wary of Obamas perceived lack of experience.

As a single example... (and I'm ashamed to say this) I remember my sister telling me in 2000 that she was voting for Bush because she thought having Cheney as VP would be good for the military (her husband was in the Air Force at the time).

I hope it's true (Biden, not Cheney being good for the military) - I almost died when I saw a story earlier this evening about Obama/Bayh bumper stickers being printed up in Kentucky...

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Biden actually undercuts Obama on foreign policy. By not only inadvertently highlighting what the beltway blowhards see (incorrectly) as a weakness (i.e. Obama needs someone with foreign policy experience) but the fact that Biden voted for the fucking war totally undercuts Obama's ace in the whole against Mr. Bomb Bomb Iran on the entire Iraq issue.

All the GOP will have to do is point out that Biden backed the war and voted for it. This is what would have killed Clinton and one of the the reasons (there were more than one) that Kerry was doomed form the outset.

I agree. What I just realized is that he chose a male Hillary. Does that make sense? I think it does. That is to say that he went with a white 'centrist' with an immense amount of Washington experience.

and by 'centrist' I mean frequent and often-reliable Repub water carrier.

I haven't heard any stories of Biden's wife making a spectacle of herself...

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Ugh.. "ace in the hole"... not "whole".

Me type no goodly.

You're not a worrier much, are you?

Biden's been in Bush's face, literally, in the Oval Office, since the very first months of the war, telling Bush how he's screwing things up, and telling the public about it afterward. He went public early and often on his many strenuous disagreements.

Biden's independence and chutzpah overrides the distant vote that he has since publicly regretted.

Not learning from her mistake, and/or being dishonest honest about her vote, is what kept Hillary from getting the nomination, not actually her vote for the war.

So, much difference between Biden and Hillary.

AND Biden practically locks up Pennsylvania for Obama, thanks to Biden's Scranton background.

All hail Jumping Joe and Barack O!

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What nonsense. Biden voted for the war, sucks on domestic economic policy (bankruptcy bill anyone) and will in no way move a vote in PA.

If you think the state where a VP pick was born (but not where he has lived his entire public life/career) will lock down swing state... you are dreaming.

UNless there is some sort of magical electoral connection between Delaware Senatorial offices and winning votes in Pennsylvania I was previously unaware of.

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I really hope this is wrong. Biden would be a really bad pick.

I am happy it's Biden. The angle here is not foreign policy but his Scranton Catholic roots I think. Also--his has a net worth that is negative. Can't beat that.

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Why?

Biden is in the pocket of the credit card companies, got it wrong on Iraq, is gaffe prone, doesn't bring anything electorally to the ticket... if it is Biden it is a seriously bad pick.

Biden isn't running for President, he is support in an area that is badly needed. He has called things wrong, granted, but who has not? Obama needs strength, and Biden, from the short list, is the one to give him that.

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Actually.. the VP is in a sense running for President since that is the role to be President should anything happen to the POTUS.

He undercuts Obama's message on fundamental levels, reenforces the media narrative that Obama is weak on foreign policy (when he isn't) and puts a milquetoast centrist who got it wrong on the war, sucks on many domestic economic issues and would be a heartbeat away form POTUS... muddies the message in a big way and brings nothing to the ticket electorally.

If it is Biden, I have lost a lot a faith in Obama's judgement.

Then who would you have picked? I personally liked Wes Clark but don't think he could have handled the mess the next couple of months will be. I don't think he is the best choice, but from the short list, if true, thank god it is Biden. And who comes in 99 out of 100 in personal wealth after being in the Senate all those years? The guy has to be honest, wouldn't that be nice for a change? I think he has the most strength as an advisor, and if he was the POTUS at least I feel he would be truthful, as much as is possible. I am desperately craving some candor these days.

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Mark Warner.

You know, there isn't one person out there who doesn't have a big negative attached to him/her.
Biden will be a fine complement to Obama.

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DIsagree, Mark Warner would have been a golden pick.

In a different year, yes.
But Warner has that seat won, and a replacement for him at this late date would not enjoy the lead Warner has for that seat and would likely put it into doubt and possibly stay Repub.
We need to pick up seats in the Senate too.
Warner gives us a huge leg up on that goal running for the seat in Virginia.

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I would gladly not pick up one Senate seat in VA for locking down the White House.

Biden is a bad pick.

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I think we get it already. You don't like Biden.

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You right, you get it... Biden is a weak choice.

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How many different ways do you need to keep saying it though? I can't hear myself think.

I wonder why you have a compulsion to respond to every post in this thread you don't agree with.

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Why are you wondering about some 'compulsion' which isn't there?

That's where you're wrong.
Biden will help Obama win the WH, in spite of two votes, I agree with you were unacceptable.
the rest of his whole body of work looks pretty good to me.
He removes the "inexperience" label from the ticket.

Obama-Biden '08!

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How does he help win the WH, chapter and verse on how he will help the ticket, because I see his negatives on he central campaign themes outweighing and positives he brings to the ticket.

I am willing to be convinced, but I see nothing net positive he brings to the ticket.

1. Foreign policy experience. Many were calling for Biden to be the next Secretary of State in the next Dem Administration. His presence on the ticket gives it gravitas on foreign policy.
2. He's a white-haired white guy with a lot of Washington experience. He reassures the oldsters reluctant ot vote for "an inexperienced black guy" [unfairly] accused of being all sizzle and an empty suit.
3. He's Irish Catholic. They have a good appeal to the Democratic base, especially with the new outreach abortion plank in the Dem platform.
4. He's no shrinking violet. A rarity with many Dems.

Warner didn't want it. Maybe Biden will only serve one term and Warner can come aboard for Obama's second term.

See, now I don't know anything about Warner, and I am a political junkie. Also in CA. Yet I knew a lot about Biden. I think that is a profound difference.

Mark Warner doesn't have the foreign policy chops. it would reinforce the repub attack on Obama's inexperience.

I think it's good (it's actually what I wanted) because it allows Biden to go out and be the eye gouging nut-kicking attack dog that tears McCain apart while Obama takes the high road and talks about his vision for where America can go and how it needs to get there. That way McCain is reacting to the attacks on the defensive or spewing out counter attacks willy-nilly while Obama gets to do what he does best: Calmly lay out his thoughts on the big issues.

depending on who McCain picks as Veep, it could really be strong since I'll take Biden over Romney, Lieberman or Pawlenty any day of the week.

Plus the working class roots will play well in a lot of areas that Obama has had trouble with. It doesn't get all of the votes, but it does assuage some fears and maybe convince some of those voters who were on the fence.

Not to mention (and this can't be understated):
They get along. If McCain picks Romney, that dynamic will play itself out and could be a factor as a well.

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"Mark Warner doesn't have the foreign policy chops. it would reinforce the repub attack on Obama's inexperience."

An attack which has been ineffectual and was countered by the "judgement" argument that is now undercut by Biden.

It may not be factually correct but it has gained traction as the recent polling would attest. They've been hitting Obama on his inexperience and making headway recently. In a sense I can see how the Biden pick reinforces that argument (mccain's first statement actually makes that claim!) but it also allays some of the fears that the types of voters who this attack was gaining traction with were having.

On the other hand, Biden destroyed Guiliani with one sentence.
Isn't the VP mainly an attack dog during the elections?

Yes, yes, yes!

How many of us were sick of the GOP wrapping themselves up in 9/11, as if the Dems were on the fence about it?
Biden stopped that meme AND leveled Guiliani.
Biden admits he was wrong on Iraq vote.
How refreshing.

Obama-Biden '08!

Of course, we all share different views.

I understand Biden means experience to Obama, but this choice undermines entirely his message of change. Again this is my opinion...

And again, he voted for the war in Irak...

Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
And politics too.
Do you want to be right, or be President?

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He's a constitutional scholar who teaches at a law school - oh my, that's just what we need!

Joe Biden was one of the youngest people to ever win his office. Around that same time had his wife and youngest daughter were killed in a car crash. He also, separately, had an aneurysm that almost killed him. His parents were well off before Joe came along, at which point they were barely getting by. His reported net worth has been said to be around $300,000.......the guy deserves it.

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Safe choice, not exciting. Then again Barack didn't need to convince ME to vote for him; I've been on board since the very beginning. Hopefully, this will appeal to the undecided.

I just got my text message. Anyone else?

You're kidding right?

I love the pick, Biden is an attack dog of the highest caliber.

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So you like the major water-carrier of the bankruptcy bill disaster, and got it spectacularly wrong on Iraq as a pick to love?

Takes all types I guess.

If you knew anything about the history of the Iraq War, which you obviously don't, you would know Biden did everything he could to tie Bush's hands in attacking Iraq.

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Wow are you profoundly full of it with that pathetic attempt at a rebuttal.

Biden was on TV screaming about the war being the biggest roll of the dice with the ship of state that he had seen in his decades in public life. he very early on publicly regretted and acknowledged that he was wrong to make that vote and was one of the very first to publicly claim that congress had been misled by the bush administration.

That shows me the guy has the ability and discipline necessary for self reflection. Its a lost art-form and one that is rare indeed in public officials (exhibit A: G.W. Bush).

The only other reasonable pick was Clinton and she has her own baggage. I think its a smart move and also that Biden will be a very effective VP in a governing capacity if the ticket gets elected. The knowledge of how to get legislature passed will be extremely valuable for a ticket that clearly plans on undertaking some major policy initiatives if elected. Could make for a very interesting first 100 days.

As an aside, I like the idea of two policy wonksters on the ticket. They understand what the issues are and are willing to undertake the intellectual challenge of trying to find workable solutions (sometimes outside the box) to those issues. That's precisely what the country needs right now. The contrast with the current admin and McCain couldn't be clearer on that front.

It's time to Move On.ORG.
The choice has been made.
And you can all tell us that you were right, if Obama loses.
Will that make you feel better.
Biden ain't Lieberman.
He ain't that bad.

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WHat blather, I have been supporting Obama quite early on (though flirted with Richardson at first until I dug deeper into Richardson's actual record).

I want Obama to win and will gladly, joyously accept being wrong and Obama winning a landslide.

But on multiple levels this is a really bad choice.

Did you stake out an aggressive Warner position on intrade or something?

Maybe.
Either that, or he isn't a student of American politics.
This was a very sound choice.
Not sexy, but sound and strong.

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More arrogated (and off-base) blather on your part.

C'mon, you're just acting like a Hillary PUMA.
Do you want Obama to win?
Yes or No?
It's Biden.
You made your point, over and over and over again.
OK?
We understand.
However, your incessant bitching about it does nothing but give the media the chance to play up the Dem disunity theme.
Get over it already.

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Wow are you spectacularly wrong, yet again.

You haven't a clue one about what you are talking about.

(yawn)

Scroll.

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Nope. Next inane question?

Unless Gore is hiding out at Biden's house, this doesn't particularly thrill me. I don't think Obama would try to fake out the Secret Service; probably would be illegal and certainly a legitimate campaign issue.

Glad I only signed up for email, not text message...it may come out any minute now.

I think Biden is an excellent choice.

Look, we've got a lock on the "change" message. People who want change more than anything else are not going to vote for McCain. So relax about that angle.

We need a bit of balance. Someone older and more experienced is good.

I think it actually helps that Biden has some well-known foibles, together with a sense of humor. Obama can seem a bit Olympian, and the ticket needs to be brought a bit closer to street level.

The working-class cred is also very useful right now to underline the populist message we're emphasizing.

And above all, I think he'll be a good VP. We're going to win this thing, so that's the most important factor.

Obama/Biden '08.

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"The working-class cred ..."

Are you shitting me?

The guy was front and center in the bankruptcy bill abomination and called it wrong on Iraq.

How many got it right on Iraq? Just sayin'.

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23 in the Senate alone for starters.

And your finishers?
How many of those 23 are running for President?
The guy at the top of the ticket is the one calling the shots.
The Veep brings along the doubters.
Get it?

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Your attempted rebuttal is, again, meaningless blather.

(yawn)

Scroll.

You say this more than McCain references his POW status.

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(yawn)

Scroll.

"Working-class cred" was a carefully chosen phrase, designed to describe an image. If I had meant "his unassailable credentials as an economic populist," that's what I would have written.

Not kidding. I just got it. It's Biden.

I WANT MY DAMN SMS! =\

People were hoping for some dark horse, "sexy" pick but Obama needed someone who could buff up his perceived expertise in foreign policy and Biden does that.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

we have a winner!

I just turned to MSNBC and they are on live. Is that Keith on the phone?

CHANGE. MY. ASS. Thanks for nothing, Hopey.

Obama needed to get elected first. Sure he could have tabbed Sebelius or Schweitzer but then McCain would have ran on National Security and had people voting scared in the polling booths.

Obama couldn't close the polling gaps when it came to security/foreign affairs. Hopefully this will make those who wanted to vote Obama but were wary about his inexperience come around.

There was no perfect fit.

There was no perfect fit.

Precisely. With Biden, McCain will have a VERY difficult time attacking Obama on national security and foreign policy. If he does, Biden will bite back, and he'll draw blood.

Yup.

The strongest point will be having old, experienced, trusted Biden pointing out that Obama's foreign policy judgement is sounder that Bush and McCain and pointing out how they've both slowly but surely come to support positions that Obama suggested for a while.

next step? Bring on the debates.

The conventions will be what they'll be. There may be some drama with the Clintons, maybe McCain falls a little flat but the real pace check will be the debates. I take nothing for granted and Obama's performances in those three debates will either get him elected or lose it all.

It's called winning politics.
You ought to give it a try some time.

Having integrity wins elections, even when you're vastly outspent. Just ask Russ Feingold. Being a weasel loses elections. Just ask, oh, any recent Dem presidential nominee except for Clinton, who skated by on charisma.

I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make, so I'll just ask if you think that Bush did not weasel his way to the White House. Or are there a separate set of rules for Democrats?

I hope that there are different rules for Democrats. Do you think we should be duplicitous scumbags like the GOP?

Yeah right, Russ "I think McCain is a true maverick" Feingold.
Please.
MoveOn.Org
Do you want Obama to win, or just hear yourself bitch?
Just think, if Obama loses, then you can come back here and tell us all you "told us so."
Won't that make you feel great?

No, loser, I would take no pleasure in saying "I told you so," nor would I ever do so.

I'm just sick of Democrats losing election after election because they trade in progressive values for Republican-lite pablum. Time after time I see fellow Dems staggering around, stunned, the day after election day mumbling "what happened? WHAT HAPPENED?" Unfortunately, what happens is the same calculating, losing strategy. It's a fact: given the choice between a real Republican and a Republican wannabe, voters will choose the real Republican every time.

(yawn)

Scroll.

Yeah, from your fuzzy thinking I get the impression that you were ready for bed a long time ago. 'Night!

HUZZAH!

Really happy about this pick. This is just what his campaign needs: a Bad Cop (and I mean that as the sincerest of all compliments to both Senators).

I agree. How many on these threads have said that Obama needs to get tougher with McCain. No one (from the governor and senator pool) is more blunt in his critique of the opponents than Biden.

Biden is going to appeal to older voters. I talked to my Grandmother the other night and she was pushing Biden right and left. I think Biden might make PA completely safe for Obama and push FL more in his column. I would not be surprised. Older voters love him.

Didn't think about this angle. In a place like Flordia where Obama is down -1 in the lastest poll (within, obviously, the margin of error), this asset of Biden's is big.

It really is. I don't think a lot of people looked at it from this angle. Always about national security and foreign policy. But one of Obama's weakest demographics is older voters. Biden can make up a huge amount of ground with them. And the fact that he's been in the Senate so long will allay their fears of a lack of experience on Obama's part.

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All you Biden folks were right and I was wrong. Not my first, second third or tenth choice, but I'll have to learn to live with it.

I'd love to hear the reasons, but it's late and I'm outta here.

'Night peeps.


Sorry, Tena. No matter what the choice, some people were bound to be really disappointed.

All I know is we sacrified a lot of potential areas to hit McCain for the sake of putting a heavily fortified, concrete foundation under Barack Obama's feet.

It feels like "change" is out the window, demoted to a background whisper and Axelrod has steered the ship on a new course.

Dude, "change" was a message designed to target Hillary in the primary.

Though it remains a theme, it's not really something we need to stress when we're running against McCain.

The people who really care about "change" have already lined up on our side.

That's a good Bingo!

Obama painted himself into a corner when he insisted that voting for the war showed bad judgment. Bad enough to make someone unacceptable for the presidency. Biden voted for the war.

Obama is seen rightly as arrogant. Biden make Obama seem modest and humble. His smug, condescending tone and attitude will drive any human to flee.

Hillary should just back away from this whole fiasco and not even speak. These two will most definitely qualify as the most annoying pair in political history.

Violin.

It wasn't that one voted for the war, in the end, it was that one (ie Clinton) wouldn't admit that the vote was a mistake.

Well you're right there. I wasn't sure whether or not Biden was one of the Dems who renounced his vote.

"It was a mistake," he says in reply to a question about his vote to authorize the Iraq war. "I regret my vote."

Precisely.

Clinton: "If I'd known then what I know now, I wouldn't have voted for the war."
Reporter: "But was it a mistake?"
Clinton: "Like I said, if I'd known then what I know now, I wouldn't have voted for the war."

Reporter: "Was your vote for the Iraq war a mistake?"
Biden: "Yeah."

Exactly. And Biden is Catholic, that is a good thing in elections.

All Biden has to do is say he was hoodwinked by McCain and the Bush administration into voting for the war. In fact, that might work really well for the ticket. He was lied to by McCain and the Bush administration. He trusted McCain, but now we know that McCain has changed. He is not the honest politician he once was.

Yes. This should be the main message from Biden the day Mr. Cheney speaks to the Repubs at their convention.

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after all the cloak and dagger, who wouldve thought the cover would be blown by something as obvious as the secret service.

David Brooks Op-Ed from Friday 22nd - Hoping it's Biden
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Barack Obama has decided upon a vice-presidential running mate. And while I don’t know who it is as I write, for the good of the country, I hope he picked Joe Biden.

Biden’s weaknesses are on the surface. He has said a number of idiotic things over the years and, in the days following his selection, those snippets would be aired again and again.

But that won’t hurt all that much because voters are smart enough to forgive the genuine flaws of genuine people. And over the long haul, Biden provides what Obama needs:

Working-Class Roots. Biden is a lunch-bucket Democrat. His father was rich when he was young — played polo, cavorted on yachts, drove luxury cars. But through a series of bad personal and business decisions, he was broke by the time Joe Jr. came along. They lived with their in-laws in Scranton, Pa., then moved to a dingy working-class area in Wilmington, Del. At one point, the elder Biden cleaned boilers during the week and sold pennants and knickknacks at a farmer’s market on the weekends.

His son was raised with a fierce working-class pride — no one is better than anyone else. Once, when Joe Sr. was working for a car dealership, the owner threw a Christmas party for the staff. Just as the dancing was to begin, the owner scattered silver dollars on the floor and watched from above as the mechanics and salesmen scrambled about for them. Joe Sr. quit that job on the spot.

Even today, after serving for decades in the world’s most pompous workplace, Senator Biden retains an ostentatiously unpretentious manner. He campaigns with an army of Bidens who seem to emerge by the dozens from the old neighborhood in Scranton. He has disdain for privilege and for limousine liberals — the mark of an honest, working-class Democrat.

Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, have trouble connecting with working-class voters, especially Catholic ones. Biden would be the bridge.

Honesty. Biden’s most notorious feature is his mouth. But in his youth, he had a stutter. As a freshman in high school he was exempted from public speaking because of his disability, and was ridiculed by teachers and peers. His nickname was Dash, because of his inability to finish a sentence.

He developed an odd smile as a way to relax his facial muscles (it still shows up while he’s speaking today) and he’s spent his adulthood making up for any comments that may have gone unmade during his youth.

Today, Biden’s conversational style is tiresome to some, but it has one outstanding feature. He is direct. No matter who you are, he tells you exactly what he thinks, before he tells it to you a second, third and fourth time.

Presidents need someone who will be relentlessly direct. Obama, who attracts worshippers, not just staff members, needs that more than most.

Loyalty. Just after Biden was elected to the senate in 1972, his wife, Neilia, and daughter Naomi were killed in a car crash. His career has also been marked by lesser crises. His first presidential run ended in a plagiarism scandal. He nearly died of a brain aneurism.

New administrations are dominated by the young and the arrogant, and benefit from the presence of those who have been through the worst and who have a tinge of perspective. Moreover, there are moments when a president has to go into the cabinet room and announce a decision that nearly everyone else on his team disagrees with. In those moments, he needs a vice president who will provide absolute support. That sort of loyalty comes easiest to people who have been down themselves, and who had to rely on others in their own moments of need.

Experience. When Obama talks about postpartisanship, he talks about a grass-roots movement that will arise and sweep away the old ways of Washington. When John McCain talks about it, he describes a meeting of wise old heads who get together to craft compromises. Obama’s vision is more romantic, but McCain’s is more realistic.

When Biden was a young senator, he was mentored by Hubert Humphrey, Mike Mansfield and the like. He was schooled in senatorial procedure in the days when the Senate was less gridlocked. If Obama hopes to pass energy and health care legislation, he’s going to need someone with that kind of legislative knowledge who can bring the battered old senators together, as in days of yore.

There are other veep choices. Tim Kaine seems like a solid man, but selecting him would be disastrous. It would underline all the anxieties voters have about youth and inexperience. Evan Bayh has impeccably centrist credentials, but the country is not in the mood for dispassionate caution.

Biden’s the one. The only question is whether Obama was wise and self-aware enough to know that.

Please tell me that you're not holding up an endorsement from David Brooks as a positive thing. Please.

They should have rolled out the text messages the very second they sent secret service to Biden, period. I'm a little disappointed in their lack of finishing off this grand scheme.

But I'm okay with the choice. I wandered over to TalkLeft and boy oh boy are the PUMA's angrier than ever. I was sort of hoping he'd bite his lip and choose HRC, but people ought to know she wasn't ever vetted. Did people need a memo months ago?

Biden will be interesting. He's an old fart, and I was hoping Obama would start to hit on McCain's age, but I realize the risk of alienating seniors.

Biden brings blue collar vote in a huge way, the Catholic vote, and is popular in Florida, Pennsylvania. Plus his foreign policy creds are sterling.

So I get it. And I'm behind it.

I just want my freakin text message, because I wanted the press to lose. Turns out they won, again.

It would have been more insulting for Obama to vet Sen. Clinton if he had no real intention to choose her. Being vetted is a very intrusive happening, and I think not doing so showed much more respect.

Also do we know if Sen. Clinton declined to be vetted? Did they ask for the Clinton Library donor list and that was a no-go?

I think you're right about the 'insulting' part, but it's damned if you do and damned if you don't with the HRC PUMA Team Grumpy.

I don't think anyone KNEW that he wouldn't pick her. I think he said during the campaign that "She'd be on anyone's short list", and I certainly went from a real distaste for her and her husband after their actions this spring to believing she'd be the right choice to put this thing away for Obama. And I know a lot of people were feeling the same.

So while nobody knows (or is saying) if she declined the position earlier, she certainly could have said flat out she did not want it, at least calming these people who are having such a hard time over at TalkLeft. Further, nobody really would have "known" or I think today knows that Obama had no intention of picking her.

And who knows, their vetting of her in my mind probably wasn't necessary after spending 10 months battling her.

CNN is focusing on the debate where Biden said that Obama was experienced enough. This was the weakest link in the Biden selection, but I am sure that they have a strategy to deal with it.

I know it's cheesy as hell but - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPev5sEdTjg

Cheesy but fine!

This further echoes the final season of The West Wing. Matt Santos picks Leo McGarry as his VP...

Of course according to script Santos/McGarry was going to lose to Arnold Vinick, though this fact is sometimes disputed.

The comment from McCain camp (read on CNN just now) is hilarious. They are taking the thread that "there has been no stronger critic of Obama's qualification to be President than Joe Biden".

Don't suppose Mitt Romney's scathing comments about John John say anything, do they?

Is that all they got?
I want their best shot!
Is that all they got?
I want their best shot!

Observations Three:

1. The GOP response is panicky-lame. I name him McPeaked.

2. Say what you will, either with Old Joe or agin, short of a thankfully astronomically unlikely convention coup, the fall of King Bubbuh is now complete.

3. Someone please buy Lestatdelc a drink.

Now that it's done, please, Old Joe, flash that million dollar smile whilst you skewer the criminal enterprise posing as the GOP.

It's done. Time to shine.

Biden feels like a good choice to me. He is seasoned and comfortable - counters that "otherness" that bothers so many people about Barack. He will also be an incredible attack dog. Can't wait to see him take on Mitt and all those other stupid pundits on McSame's team.

Biden is going to rip McWar's head off and piss down his neck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

...please pass the popcorn,

LK

Just a quick point. It's my understanding that if there were a credible threat on the life of any sentator or prominent member of government, the secret service would be involved, candidate or no. I could be wrong.

Biden was my first choice until I came around to Barack. And then Biden was my second. Biden voted for the war, but only after pushing alternative war bills that were a lot saner. And he was one of the earliest and strongest critics of the Bush admin running of the war and the consequences of the way they were running it. He knows more about the vagaries of the middle east than just about anyone in Washington and is THE guy to take on McCain on every foreign policy detail. He's tough and he's genuine. He's made some bad votes - anyone who's been in Washington any amount of time has made some bad votes. But he gets both the forest and the trees in ways that not many do. Probably even including Barack. Barack gets the forest in a very profound way. Biden will be able to help a LOT with the trees. You need that too, the devil being in the details.

GREAT pick, from my perspective. Oh, and Joe lives in the Philly area and SOUNDS like a Philly guy and will definitely move votes in PA, NJ, MD, etc.

Given the choice of a Catholic or a Mormon, Catholics will definitely vote for the Catholic. Was JFK the last Catholic in an executive office?

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Debra,

To answer your question, John F. Kennedy was the last Catholic President or Vice-President of the United States. Then again:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103327.html

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