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Top Dem Party Officials Send Sharply-Worded Email Demanding That Hillary Donors And Supporters Get Behind Obama

In a sign that senior Democratic officials remain deeply concerned that post-primary bitterness could imperil Barack Obama's chances, two top Democratic officials have emailed a sharply-worded letter to major donors and other leading Dems confessing "fatigue and irritation" at those withholding full support from Obama and demanding that they get behind him "without conditions or demands."

"I supported Hillary Clinton and am proud and pleased that I did," reads the email, which was written by Donald Fowler, a former DNC chair and DNC member-at-large who was one of Hillary's most prominent supporters. Alice Germond, the Secretary of the DNC, is also a signatory.

"But she lost," continues the email, which was sent our way by a source. Barack Obama won. It's over."

"It is time for all Democrats, supporters of Senator Clinton and all other contenders for the nomination, to stand with him to secure his election and the election of Democrats at all levels of competition," the email continues.

The email also laces sharply into Hillary supporters who remain embittered by the primary and are demanding things in exchange for their support.

"I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support," it reads. "It is time to act in a mature and resourceful fashion. It's time to put the primaries behind us. It's time to support Barack Obama without conditions or demands."

Pretty stern stuff. The full email after the jump.

Dear Democratic Friends:

2008 is a Democratic year-at all levels in all the states. The opportunity is ours. We just have to seize it.

We experienced an exciting, intense, sometimes difficult, campaign to nominate our presidential candidate. Now it's over. Barack Obama won.

I supported Hillary Clinton and am proud and pleased that I did. But she lost. Barack Obama won. It's over.

It is time for all Democrats, supporters of Senator Clinton and all other contenders for the nomination, to stand with him to secure his election and the election of Democrats at all levels of competition.

I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support. The Los Angeles Lakers didn't establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.

It is time to act in a mature and resourceful fashion. It's time to put the primaries behind us. It's time to support Barack Obama without conditions or demands.

It's time to WIN for Barack Obama, the Democratic Party, America, and our future. We have an unparalleled opportunity. I hope we will all do everything we can to seize the moment.

See you at the Inauguration.

Sincerely,

Don Fowler
DNC Member At-Large, South Carolina
Former Chair of the Democratic National Committee

Alice Germond
Secretary, Democratic National Committee



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About time for a little tough love, a little party discipline.

The PUMA and JustSayNoDeal did the first discipline. Fowler is just reacting.

A sports analogy? So, everyone in LA must now support the Celtics...? Obama still hasn't given me a reason to vote for him...waiting...waiting...snore...

lol, your candidate lost.

I am one of those irritating Hillary supporters and very proud of it! I despise Obama and by proxy HIS democrat party which I am so grateful to no longer be a part of! I became a brand new Independent on June 7th 2008! I will never ,read that NEVER support Obama in any way shape or form. I vow to do all I can to keep him out of my White House! You can call me stubborn,you of course will call me racist,I don't care! You can not control what I do in the voting booth! I am proud to be an American ,and after the shameful way the DNC and the RBC acted toward Hillary and Florida and Michigan ,I was no longer proud to be a democrat! I have voted straight democrat since I could vote and I at the age of 61 this November will vote for John McCain! So get used to it! There are many of us and I really believe we will reach our stated goal! Keep Obama Out! And your scare tactics don't work! The speaker promised to end the war! LOL! She also promised to lower gas prices LOL! I can put up with McCain for four years easier than I can bear the thought of that pompous egotistical ass in power!
John McCain 2008!

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Well, I've taken the Pledge.

"I pledge to NEVER VOTE FOR ANY WOMAN FOR POTUS if Obama is not elected."

Here, here and I'm with you all the way. At 55, I too feel dissed by the Democratic Party and if Hillary does not prevail will vote for a Republican for the first time in my adult life. Together we stand for a United America. To hell with the fractured Democratic Party, the Party of egotistical megalomaniacs like Barack Obama.

How about a 'WRITE-IN' for Hillary? Have we forgotten about that? That's what I'll be doing :")

Thank you,
A 73 yr old great-grandma

And that is just what Hillary supporters are giving the DNC, tough love.

Or insert another four letter word for love.

nobody cares, we're winning

in fact, it helps more not to have you LOSERS on board

Sure this will smooth everything over.

*Surely

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The problem is not on Obama's side. The problem is the Hillary-wacks. They need to decide: Are they democrats or not? If so, stop the fucking whining. If not, get the fuck out of Dodge.

Obama needs to focus on McCain, not on the traitors behind him. We need a unified party, and if you are not willing to be part of the unified party, then GET YOUR ASS OUT OF HERE, and FAST! We are SERIOUSLY TIRED of WHINING HILLARY-WACKS.

“First you fall in love, then you fall in line”, so said Bill Clinton at the Harkin Steak Fry, summer of ‘03. Time for the Big Dog to bring this up again.

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Jeez...you're so right. We should try and keep the discourse on the same high level that you and your troll friends that have swarmed the boards today have introduced. With that in mind, on behalf of those who actually do come here to educate, inform and debate intelligently and intellectually, fuck you. Oh, and it's not that I can't take hearing arguments that diverge from my own, I just can't stand lying asshats like you. Please, take it personally.

Darling, we are out of Dodge. We're not voting for the Golden Boy.
So perhaps YOU need to get over it along with all the other Baracktards who are so perplexed as to why we won't vote for him.
He's your candidate so lie in the bed you people made.

All 5 of you?

We are getting out of "Dodge". If you mean the Democratic Party is Dodge.

We are out, and it is liberating. We owe the Dem Party nothing, we owe Obama even less.

He brushes our votes off his shoulders, I got over that long ago. We have brushed Obama off of our shoulders and our ballots. Time for you to get over it.

Practice saying President McCain, maybe that will help.

LOL, your candidate lost.

Your candidate is losing...slowly, and very publicly.

Tied in the polls and no where near the funds he needs.

No wonder you wear a dunce hat in your avatar. Appropriate!

Hi first-time-poster! Just looked up your 'bio' and learned the following about you:

'Former Democrat who will not vote for a "selected" candidate.'

Umm, I may need to do a little more research to confirm this, but I'm pretty certain that makes you a dick. Hold on! Confirmation received! You are a Repubmccain troll dick.

Hillary lost 5 months ago and is now self-destructing. Had she demonstrated she was a team player and worked to re-unite the Democratic party, she might have been an acceptable VP by convention time, but she made only two (2) appearances with Obama and is clearly not supporting him in private with her supporters either. By November, I doubt she will be able to win a Democratic primary for ANY office. All those who see the harm she has done will fund any Democrat who runs against her.

NOPE. It will only worsen the situation. Mr. Fowler and the DNC do not own Hillary supporter's vote. We support whomever we think is the best for the country. Obama just does not fit the prototype. Just because we are Democrats we can be told to support a fraud candidate? That's not how it works here.

Finally. Probably won't go over well, but it needed to be said by someone on Hillary's side.

Long over due. Either work with Obama or don't, but stop undermining the party. It's beyond annoying.

It's reality. It's the truth. Don't stick your head in the sand...you have divided the party.

Dear American Citizens and the Press

As a concerned citizen, I consider it is my duty to bring following message to you all.

"We the citizens of the United States of America have the ultimate responsibility to elect the " Right Candidate" to lead our nation, out of our huge present and future internal and external challenges as well as opportunities. This is to prevent depression and isolation in-spite of being the only superpower in the world morally, democratically, economically, and militarily.

We need to consider the "critical qualities and characteristics" of our presumptive presidential nominees at the time we vote.

In my personal and professional opinion the critical considerations are as under:


1. Calm, cool, and collected " temper " [ Presidential Temperament ].
2. Sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber".
3. "Thought-fullness and togetherness" of purpose and positions.
4. Minimum "ex-poser and exploitation" around "Washington and Washington insiders".
5. Renewed " Vigor and Vision " for our Greatgrand Nation.
6. Foreign policy based on " American Values, Virtuous, Vastness".

Stay informed, stay involved, and stay engaged. Do not allow some partisan media, pundits, pollsters, and perpetual political opinion makers effect your vote in the wrong direction.

Don't be effected and duped by "Psychological Terrorism" that is afflicted upon you all the time.

Long live U.S.A and its diverse but democratic people.

Col. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD., ABFM., ABDA.
Chief Consultant: World Wide Porfessional Consultants[WWPC]
Colonel, USAR/MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran and Freedom team.
Consultant Psychiatrist: CA State, Medical Board of California, and Los Angeles Mental Health Department
Address: 7642 Eaglehelm Court Las Vegas NV 89123

Very good critique for next President of U.S. ....Barack Obama. He has all the traits mentioned.

So Glad, Hillary's supporters told 'were' to go....and believe me, Hillary is still running her campaign. Her little lady's still out there threatening, but a very small no.

Geraldine Ferraro has a new job at Fox for a couple month's now. I think that crowd are really Independent's, but need the party wealth for a living.

he's got these qualities in your late night dreams dude

embittered old corpse:

This is to inform you that your application has been reviewed and you have been accepted as a member of the Repubmccain Asshat Troll Society. Remember, you'll remain in good standing as long as you go to liberal blogs and pose as a 'disenfranchised' Hillary supporter posting diskish snarky comments that add absolutely no insight but only serve to help undermine Democratic party unity. We have faith in your ability. Go make us - and America - proud!

Honorable Colonel, how about the following...

1. Inexperience
2. Dirty Politician
3. Panderer
4. Liar, liar, liar...
5. Two Positions at One Time
6. Arrogant
7. Manipulative
8. Latent Racist
9. Liberal with Radical Company
10. A Muslim before being a Christian for political expediency.

How about that?

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Wait, I thought you were a Hillary supporter, but here you're ripping into her problems?

Oh wait, there's that idiotic Muslim thing at the end, and you didn't put "completely in the pocket of DLC corporatists", so I guess you were talking about Obama? It's hard to tell.

Exactly why I am voting for McCain.

I would add to the list: Experience fostering bipartisan support to move this country forward. Instead of the constant partisan gridlock in Washington.

I will take the American Hero over the American Zero any day.

LindaExDem:

This is to inform you that your membership in the Repubmccain Asshat Troll Society has been revoked due to the simple fact that you can't seem to follow a very clear list of talking points. Your instructions were to pose as a 'disenfranchised' Hillary supporter and breed discontent amongst Democrats. You were explicitly asked not to expose your overt support of Repubmccain as the knowledge that you are not a true 'Hillary' supporter would undermine the efforts of the numerous other 'RATS' members that were assigned to swarm the same blog. Your membership has been terminated and you will receive no further deposits from the campaign or the RNC. Have a nice day and don't forget to vote McSame!

this letter was long overdue. It may not do much but its a start. Hillary supporters need to move on and embrace obama.

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It's about time the leadership of the DNC grew even the beginnings of a backbone - and started calling out those HillBillies who remain ensconced in their own fantasy world.

Bravo!

No, you are the one in the fantasy world. You can be told what to do by your Messiah, but we Hillary supporters will never vote for "The Arrogant One" even if Hillary is the Vice Presidential candidate. That's how pricipled we are.

Forget any funds to DNC or Obama as long as (1) Obama remains a candidate and (2) no action is taken to reign in his seizuer of the party (even before his nomination is voted on at the convention), and (3) no action is taken for the sexist and racist nature of his campaign. All are a disgrace to the party and will cause its defeat in November.

I gave money to Clinton, will do so again. I will not give anything to the DNC and never to Obama. I am very happy to read that I am not alone in this. Let the Dear Leader's cult following cough up more money if they feel so blindly inclined. Pay for more flip-flops!

Thanks for the encouragement, Matthew; I believe I will cough up some more money. In fact, there's a TPMaholics fundraiser on today. I'm going there now to make a little contribution specifically in your honor. All for one and one for all!

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Well, here's the deal, Matt the moron. If Obama wins, Hillary has a career. If he does not, she is dead meat.

And, seriously, fuck you, bozo. If you support Obama, good, you are welcome. If you do not, fuck off, asshole. Go and vote for McCain. Just don't show up here and whine. You Clinton people are big at the whining, bitching moaning, but at nothing else.

Hillary lost because of idiots like you.

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Psst. I'm pretty sure Matt is a Republican troll, not a real Hillary supporter.

Gataguy, I was going to praise your first post (and i do!), but thank you very much for saying it all here!

You do the Dear Leader's cult following proud. Now, how about some civil conversation instead of fould language and derogatory commentary? Or, it is beyond you?

Beyond us, McWeaver, beyond us all. The clarity, logic and insight you bring to these boards is on a level that those of us whom you refer to as the minions of 'Dear Leader' couldn't begin to fathom. Having said that, have you finished eating those babies yet?

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Let me say it as politely as I can:

Fuck you, asshole.

If you want to be a Democrat, send Obama $100.

If you don't want to be a Democrat, then fine, fuck you very much.

There are NO HILLARY DEMOCRATS anymore. Just Democrats.

Remember the French Whores, buddy. After WWII, all the whores who fucked the Germans had their heads shaved, then they were tarred and feathered.

What a piece o'work you are with your O guy. Your hatred of women is showing. Like messiah, like sub-ordinate. LOL!!

Hi embittered old corpse:

There's no hatred of women here. There is, however, a very passionate dislike of mindless asshat troll Republican scumbags like yourself who believe that having a swarm of intellectually challenged morons run rampant over progressive blogs is actually a campaign strategy! Would've loved to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting "Uh, let's see what we can do with that Internet thingie!"

I can see why Obama's support continues to dwindle.

Keep talking, you drive voters away from Obama almost as well as B0 & M0 do.

BTW I am sending him $100 in the mail on Monday.

Cash.

Course it is monopoly money, fake dollars for the fake candidate.

Your welcome.

LindaEx Dem:

Asshat, you've been fired. Don't you read your email? Please desist from posting on these boards. You are undermining the good work of the other Repubmccain trolls posing as 'disenfranchised' Hillary supporters. We have your IP address and will shut you down if you do not comply. (Ever heard of a little thing called the NSA?)

Have a nice day, and don't forget to vote NcSame!

Repubmccain Asshat Troll Society

But if he loses, where will Obama go, back to the South Side of Chicago? And start all over again as a community organizer. Hillary is already Hillary. She is already an international name before "The Arrogant One" came to the scene. She is a Clinton and she will remain a giant for life.

But she will lose her Senate seat and "retire" like her friends Geraldine Ferraro and Carly Fiorina. But we'll all know she was fired by the voters for working against their interests.

Have you looked in a mirror lately?
It's a good thing you don't need the votes of Hillary's supporters.
Reality check!
You lose.

Excuse me but you have that backwards.

It is the DNC, Dem party leaders, Obama and his groupies that are whining that supporters of Hillary will not donate time or money to his campaign.

The article we are all commenting on is whining about the lack of support from Hillary backers. It isn't going to happen, not now, not ever.

Get over it, move on.

LindaExDem:

OK, we're going to try this one more time. Your services are no longer needed here! Please desist from posting on this board! The lack of knowledge and logic in your postings is starting to embarrass everyone that we have assigned to swarm this board as 'disenfranchised' Hillary supporters! (And that's saying a LOT because clearly we've assigned a host of intellectually challenged individuals!) We are currently contacting your IP to ascertain your home address. Ever heard of rendition? We'll have you cleaning up hotel rooms that Mitt Romney slept in and your friends and family will never hear from you again! This is your last warning.

Have a nice day, and don't forget to vote McSame!

Repubmccains Asshat Troll Society

Candidate over country. True to form.

How do you live such an embittered life?

What country was Obama born?

ummm, that would be the United States of America. Better to ask what country McCain was born in....***cue crickets***. Panama.

No Mason, its Country over Messiah (I mean Candidate), remember? We live in a DEMOCRACY.

embittered old corpse:

Corpse means 'dead', right? How can you keep posting if you're dead? Huh. Maybe it works from the top down - you're fingers actually keep typing after your brain has died.

Senator Clinton could definitely use your help with paying off her debt. So stop talking about it and pony up. She stayed in the race two months too long because of people like you, the least you could do is reward her for doing so.

As for the rest of the ignorant shit you wrote, I think they are holding a reservation for you over at No Quarter--Deadender Central.


This kind of language from Obama supporters are the reasons why we hate "The Arrogant One". The elitist attitude and the rudeness of the arrogant ones are just too nauseous.

Sorry, no deal.

Hillary is saying what she has to due to her party loyalty contract.

Obama supporters will have to pay her campaign debt. That is the price of being the 'selected' candidate.

Now, as you say, PONY UP.

Maybe she's saying it because she IS in fact loyal to her party. Why can't you show the same qualities as your revered candidate?

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I'm sure that the DNC will sorely miss that $22,500. you were going to send them. Since Obama had like only 700,000 plus contributors in June your absence will probably mean the death knell for them. I can't imagine how they raked in $52 million without you.

But do go ahead and give Hillary a contribution. She still needs to pay off political genius Mark Penn. I know you will feel that is a wonderful use for your money.

doesnt it just give you - a moment - of pause...... when you think about the grand sums of cash $$$ that Obama has raked in???
where do you suppose all those big $$$ are coming from???
Think it is from the guys and gals on the street, all ponying up their $15 bucks, nope, its coming from some people you dont even want to know. and that is going to mean vested interests once he is coronated.
Does that make you sleep well at night?

Matthew, go fuck yourself you drooling lunatic.. Isn't there a copy of Mein Kampf you should be somewhere masturbating to?

As I wrote dataguy, you do the Dear Leader's cult following proud. I'm actually surprised because you usually are more civil. Getting frustrated by the Dear Leader's flip-flops and inability to get the party members to drink the Kool-Aid and get on board? Now, how about some civil conversation instead of fould language and derogatory commentary? Or, is it now beyond you?

Still beyond us McWeaver. So, tell us, what's the story with those babies? Have you finished eating them yet?

I just joined this blog for the first time out of curiosity.
While I know there are a lot of nuts in the US, you Matthew, strike me as the winner - congratulations !
The winner ....

You are just as appalling as your fraud candidate.

Troll rating for "Matthew Weaver": 3/5
Troll rank: Sanctimonious Buffoon

Another fine trolling by "Mr. Weaver." This one is near perfect: self-righteous and integrates multiple lies and divisive talking points. Also, his repetition of tying to Obama Bush's moniker of "Dear Leader" gets points for staying on message; however, it won't stick because the term is too ingrained with Bush (suggestion: come up with a similar but different term. How about "Grand Imam"; it hits on both the cult and Muslim angles).

A few other critiques: his #1 and #2 points are redundant; if Obama is stripped of his candidacy, then his "seizuer" of the party becomes moot. While saying that Obama's candidacy is a "disgrace to the party" is a well-told lie, the contention that it will lead to "defeat in November" is spurious at best, especially considering the polls. Finally, "Mr. Weaver" loses points for being a "concern troll"...really, that trend is over. No one here believes that you are a Hillary supporter or that you are anything other than a GOP troll. So, embrace your trollhood with pride!

Better luck next time!

I think "Dear Leader" actually refers to Kim Jong-il of North Korea.

The latest poll shows "The Arrogant One" and "The Hero" is tied at 46% each. What happened to the messiah, lost his power? I am from California and I never heard and single Asian or a Latino here on my daily conversations with people supporting TAO ("The Arrogant One"). Remember the "Bradley Effect" everybody is talking about? That would be the most popular syndrome on November 5, 2008.

Aholes like this make it very difficut not to be extremely happy for any negative experience they may encounter from now until thier old age. Screw you weaver, he'll win without you and your ilk.

Too cocky and confident of winning just like your faux candidate "The Arrogant One". Don't forget the Bradley Syndrome.

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Is vidii a troll or a sarcastic parody of one?

all these "Arrogant" comments always remind me of this "Ambitious" article, no matter where I read them:

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/hillary_clinton_is_too

Those who do not agree with you are automatically trolls? They have no right to express their opinion? This kind of thinking is what worries those who support Hillary. Seeing the country taken over by a bunch of brown shirts and Obama jungen is awful.

Please see my response to your comment further down thread. Thank you and go screw yourself you lying asshat troll.

Please save your money you imply you have to donate. Obama will do just fine w/out your money. Besides you are a freakin troll full of nonesense.

If Obama's doing fine, then ... um ... why do Don & Alice care what we do? Why don't they go away? Sounds to me like the Obama camp is whining again. They don't want us, but we'd better listen up. They don't need us, but we'd better contribute. Obama hates us but we'd better love him.

The democratic party has disappeared down the rabbit hole. The white knight is talking backwards, and the red queen is on her head. Wooh baby, better than acid it is.

Same cockiness, same arrogance. Yes you raised more money than anybody else but you can't buy elctions. Remember, Hillary was on debt but still won in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvannia, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky and South Dakota? Trustworthiness and capabilities are the winning points of electing a leader. And "The Arrogant One" does not have either.

Here! Here!

hey maybe you shojuld stop fucking complaining and pay off hillary's debt you sourpuss.

Get lost Limbaugh plant!

You neo nazi types just needs to step in front of a fast moving bus.

Yeah, I don't think this is going to have any effect. Lady Lynn Forester and her like are really are apolitical and are only worried about influence and connections. Then you have the second-wave feminists who are trying to force Sen. Clinton on the ticket by any means necessary, and finally you have the lunatic fringe Hillary dead-enders who are identity voters and feel personally slighted that Sen. Clinton lost and want "revenge" even if it means cutting their nose off to spite their face. These voters are being whipped into a frenzy by GOP "operatives" and think they know what Sen. Clinton wants, even if it's by the coded language she is using that only they can truly decipher.

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Then it's a good thing that there are really not very many of the characters, their influence is really quite small despite the publicity they try to garner and they won't affect the election much, if at all.

What they are really doing is damaging Clinton by association and ensuring that they have no seat at the table, or even in the same building, when Obama takes over. Such stupidity is really astounding.

That's interesting fiction Jonze. Ever think about writing paperback novels? I dont actually know any Republican operatives.
Im glad I found No Quarter and PUMA's, we had the same perception of the Dem railroad process.

embittered old corpse:

Boy, you're really hanging in there. Thought you'd have dropped over dead by now! Fingers still seem to be working though the synapses in that brain are clearly no longer firing! You must be some sorta' medical miracle! Now that I think of it - maybe a freak.

Nice, good for them, it is about time someone in a high position called them on their childishness. Did Bill Clinton get a copy by any chance?

And this begs the question that must be asked...

Why hasn't HRC come forward loud and publicly denounced the sites such as Clintons4McCain that assert .....
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"She is hoping that her supporters understand that the ONLY way that she can run again in 2012 is if Barack Obama is humiliated by an impressive defeat in November. Only then can she swoop down into the Democratic Party negotiate with the elites to take back her party and defeat John McCain (in either 4 or 8 years)."
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There is also the Denver Group, PUMA and other sites that continue to post anti-Obama candidacy rhetoric and even calling upon DNC delegates to change their allegiance to Obama and cast their votes for HRC at convention (in order for HRC to 'win' nomination).

And the roar of HRC's silence is deafening.

I think you're being too hard on her. She's not responsible for, nor can she do anything about, Republican ratfucking. And that's what most of this stuff really is- certainly, for example, PUMA and the Weaver troll.

She can say loud and clear that she "rejects and denounces" these groups.

A woman who has been described as Hillary's BGF, and one of her biggest fundraisers, hasn't given Obama money and is threatening to sit the election out. There were also rumblings that she would stop giving money to the Democratic Party.

She and other people close to Hillary are buying into the "we was robbed" meme. If Hillary was really dusting herself off and supporting Obama, don't you think she would ask her friends to do the same?

IMO Hillary's support for Obama is probably more of a ploy than real.

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/clinton-donors-press

"It remains to be seen," Buell said when asked if she would write Obama a check. "There are a lot of factors--how he takes care of her debt, how he treats her at the convention, whether she's really in consideration for vice president. We're really just concerned with how the Obama campaign treated Sen. Clinton. They were so dismissive of her amazing work and trivialized her work as first lady. Helping her with her debt [Now estimated at $12 million, not including the $13 million the Clintons donated to the campaign] doesn't seem to be a big priority to him. If they're so smart, we should have this behind us by this point."

Wow, I've learned not to expect a lot of learned discourse on TPM, but the personal attacks have sure gotten vicious.

And the roar of HRC's silence is deafening.

I think you're exactly right. So long as Hillary Clinton pretends she can just walk away from the presidential campaign, her supporters--moneyed or not--will continue viciously attacking Obama, raising money for her 2012 presidential campaign, and agitating to put her name into nomination on the floor at the convention.

Hillary Clinton lost after hanging in there and getting a huge amount of support in her bid for the nomination. She's not just some human-scale character. She's Hillary Clinton, for heavens sakes. She can't just go back to the Senate. And as much as I know that the big push happens after the convention, waiting until then lets her supporters simmer and stew and their bitterness fester.

OK, maybe this is an Obama strategy. Maybe he thinks it'll look better for her to give a big inspiring speech at the convention, perhaps even to introduce him at his acceptance speech. But it shouldn't just be party elders scolding her donors; it should be Hillary.

I don't expect much from Bill. Noone expects him to get over the campaign, just as noone expects hard-line "feminists" to support any Democrat besides Hillary. But Hillary can't just sit there and twiddle her thumbs. She's the elephant in the middle of the room--and I don't mean just any elephant, I mean the kind that flourishes in the backwoods and Republican 527's.

Clinton's name must go to a vote at the convention. Obama has not be annointed winner by a vote at the convention yet. Sure, he's taken some serious liberties with him claim so far and I look forward to Clinton and the delegates at the convention wiping that arrogant snear off his face.

Right! It's all Hillary's fault. Face it, folks. Everything bad in the world is Hillary's fault. Earthquake in Chile? Hillary's fault. Crop failure in the Sudan? Hillary's fault. Obama gets a hangnail? Hillary's fault. So OF COURSE the view by a large contingent of Democrats that the nomination was stolen by an unqualified cheater ... well of course that's Hillary's fault too.

I agree. They're like the inevitable little clots of diehards who head for the hills and degenerate into banditry and anarchy after a civil war. Insignificant in the grand scheme of things but capable of acts of spectacular selfishness that they try to dress up as important political statements but which are really just vile little exercises in futility.

Yes, those Obama supporters really arent so important in the Grand Scheme of Things, you are so right Steve

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Right. And if Obama loses because Hillary supporters voted for McCain, then if Hillary runs in 2012 she won't get one dime of my money and none of my support and I'll vote for McCain's second term. So there. Nanny nanny poo poo.

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If he loses, her political career as a Presidential nominee is over, unless these supporters shut up and start working on Obama's behalf.

Perhaps they should consider that.

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It's simple, the clintons are running for 2012. If they totally torpedo obama and he loses, they still will lose in 2012. Pathetic. I really can't believe that people voted for the clintons. It really is mind boggling.

I didn't vote for "the Clintons," I voted for Hillary. There, all better now? You don't have to believe that any more!

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Really? What were you thinking then? It was two for one and the third term of the clintons. Obviously you weren't paying attention. Go clintons!!!

Can you hear me now?

hahahaha!

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It is time for Democrats to support the nominee of the party.

It is time for PUMAs to SIT DOWN and SHUT UP.

But they can take out their checkbooks and make a contribution to Obama first.

Our Democratic Party is a big tent, where many types work together on our common interest. It is time for the Hillary Idiots to decide: Are they Democrats or not? If they are not, get the fuck out of here, traitors. If they are, support Obama.

No conditions.

Those PUMAs aren't really Democrats that a disinterested observer would recognize. They are all wealthy, and I assume largely apolitical, except so far as they enjoy the reflected celebrity of being able to hobnob with political types that their campaign contributions and connections can bring them.

The Clintons have been assiduously courting these types ever since they appeared on the national political stage. The fact that the Clintons chief contribution to the Democratic Party was their rejection of traditional Democratic constituencies (e.g., African-Americans and Labor) only makes them more appealing to this group of supporters, who really do deserve the name "Limousine Liberals."

The fact that these folks would be happy supporting the Republican if their "dear friend" Hillary is not the nominee reinforces the fact that their ability to relate to the candidate, and not political ideology, is what drives their loyalty. Courting them means sacrificing principles in favor of gaining the support of a vocal but ultimately irrelevant constituency.

They are not reliable democrats, and their influence is miniscule. We should just ignore their whining. It doesn't really matter.

Pumas all wealthy? I wish! Where do you get your info?

I was referring to their leadership. The idiots who post on blogs like this in support of PUMA's goals are just patheitc losers all the way around.

Dataguy, you have a flare for self parody.

Ok, gosh you are so right! Let me whip out my checkbook for Mr. Obama, though he really doesnt need it. My only condition is that you go back and get your GED. LOL

finally this letter puts everthing i wanted to say to those irritating hillary supporter, get letter

http://www.sensico.wordpress.com

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At the end of WWII, all the French whores who serviced the Germans were rounded up. Their heads were shaved, and they were tarred and feathered.

At the end of a war, the victorious side settles its debts. If you helped, you get a reward. If you did not help, you are in serious trouble.

Relax. $52 million / month is not a bad pace. We can afford to send a slightly more uplifting message than this.

I like the shaven head and tar and feathering idea for Clintonistas!!

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Oh, that's pretty charming! Making threats of physical violence.
What a way to attract support for your candidate!


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I'm sure if you just explain to these 65-and-over women that they are whores, and their heads will be shaved if Obama loses, they will happily fall in line.

Heil Hitler, buddy.

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And when you consider that the HC supporters' main complaint is the sexism she encountered in the media and elsewhere -- but not from Obama -- their continued refusal to support Obama is amazing. Oh sure, they've ginned up complaints about Obama -- but they're all clearly subservient to the decision that it's Hillary or nobody.

I mean, my gosh, they're still complaining about that imagined slight where they think Obama flipped Hillary off. Like it really makes sense that Obama, speaking before cameras, thought to himself: "You know, I'm doing pretty well, it's still close though, so why don't I take this opportunity to give Hillary the finger on nationwide T.V.?"

What can you do? These people are nuts.

Thank you!

First of all, it IS about time the Dem Party grew a spine. The Hillbots who are whining need to woman up and let it go. Hillary is as much as responsible for her defeat as Obama. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it!

Second, noone can name ONE instance of sexism from Barack Obama but I can name PLENTY of racism from Billary Clinton. The media and others did project the same sexism against Hillary Clinton as they are now projecting against Michelle Obama. I have YET to see a Hillbot stand up with Michelle against the sexism against her....

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Quote: "We're really just concerned with how the Obama campaign treated Sen. Clinton. They were so dismissive of her amazing work and trivialized her work as first lady."

And she was dismissive of him. Remember: "I've passed the commander-in-chief test, obviously Sen. McCain has, and Sen. Obama gave a speech"? It's all part of campaigning.

Obviously, it's easier to let that stuff go and move on when you've come out on top. But, this stance that some Hillary supporters are taking -- retreating to caves on remote Pacific islands to await Hillary's eventual "victory" -- is getting more and more bizarre.

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It will have no impact. It really is pathetic. The clintons and their minions are professional whiners. That's all they do is whine, whine, whine. I really can't believe that mr. bill was president at one time. They will whine on into the sunset.

By the way, mattie is a clinton troll and professional whiner. Based on his prior posts, I would doubt that he is a republican troll, unless he was promoting the clintons so that mcbush would get a landslide in november.

Relax just a tad, folks. Maybe some ex-Hillary people are sending their money to the DCCC or DSCC instead of BO. If so, fine by me! We're all pulling in the same general direction, to increase the size of the win this fall, and build a mandate for change.

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Quote: "Relax just a tad, folks."

Are you one of those people who thinks he knows how keyed up people should be and when they are too keyed up, and has appointed himself communicator of that assessment?

Good to know!

Fair enough. Strike the obnoxious first sentence of my message.

Since when do losers get to make demands of the winner, anyway? The reason this has gone on so long is because the Hillnuts get off on their indignation. But they're boring now, so can we stop paying attention to them?

Democrats are voting for Barack. Any pumidiot who plans on voting for McCain (bye, Roe v. Wade!) or sitting this one out is not a Democrat. Cease sullying our party name with your entitled delusional racist temper tantrum.

In the end, this was really emotionally satisfying for those of us who've always been on Obama's side to read, but I doubt it will have any more constructive effect coming from former Clinton supporters than it did when we expressed similar sentiments.

These people have the emotional maturity of ill-tempered 18 month olds. There's what they want, there's when they want it and if they don't get it, and right now, it is just further proof that the whole world is one big evil conspiracy to deprive them of their due. My experience is telling people like that to grow the hell up just provokes them and they elevate their tantrums to new heights of ugliness.

Wow.....
how peculiar that Obama supporters think that those of us who are enormously underwhelmed, no, truly disgusted by everything we have come to learn and experience for ourselves about Senator Obama and the way his campaign is being run can be insulted, cajoled, ridiculed, wheedled and sternly admonished into voting for someone whom we view as as a poseur, an arrogant and inexperienced neophyte and one seriously lacking good judgment.

I have not witnessed one quality or heard one statement from Obama that has impressed me or even tempted me for one nanosecond to cast my precious vote for him.

I believe that Obama is seriously flawed as a human being and as a candidate, and I can't help that the DNC picked him. Not MY fault.
I don't have to ride the Unity Pony, sorry....
I will NEVER vote for Obama

PUMA!

Does this mean that you have heard statements from McCain that has impressed you to cast your precious (and yes, it is) vote for him?

No snark. I'm seriously interested in, if this is so, hearing from you the specifics.

Thanks.

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Good, don't bother. Go crawl back in your hole. It really is amazing the cult following of the clintons. Keep on whining and following your flawed leaders, the clintons. Pathetic.

And, Michael A, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed when your messiah doesn't win because you've told us all to 'go back into our holes' and that you don't need us.

In '04, the election was very close with a UNITED Democratic party. You think there's a chance in hell your 'beloved one' can win without ALL the dems behind him?

You guys are delusional. You have a candidate who even as the presumptive nominee still polls worse against McCain that Clinton did. You are the one who chose an unelectable candidate. You are the ones who will suffer the lose.

PUMA!

Uhh huhh. Just more arrogant bullying by the DNC. They just don't understand, I think, that we've left the party. The more of this kind of thing, the less the chance that I'll go back.

Obama is just a left-leaning Bush - controlled by puppeteers, NO experience, NO work ethic, and unable to speak in public 'off the cuff'. It's actually amazing the similarities.

I have come to the point where I cannot even listen to Obama on TV or the radio. I have to turn it off. I did that these past 7 years with Bush.

Look, don't vote for him, whatever. But at least give him some credit (Even when I was screaming until I was red in the face about Hillary, I still acknowledged that she was clever). No man could have worked his way into Obama's current position without high-level connections the way Obama did without work ethic.

I have to turn it off. I did that these past 7 years with Bush.

And yet you're find and dandy with four more years of the same.

Like I said.

"Flawed as a HUMAN BEING"?! That's pretty rich. Sounds like you must know him well to make a broad condemnation like that. Idiot.

Laughable! Yup, this memo is certainly going to make me support an unqualified, arrogant, cold, lying candidate.

And all those great supporting comments by the Obamabots - those are helpful too.

You people just don't get it, do you? You don't understand that YOU are the reason we're fed up and WE WILL NOT SUPPORT OBAMA NOR THE DNC WITH A SINGLE PENNY. If our votes count half, then you don't even get half a penny.

PUMA!
NOBAMA 08.

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Hilarious! Is this snark?

Do you realize you're potentially doing long term damage to Hillary Clinton's political career?

Think about it. You PUMA supporters publicly lobby against Obama, you make demands on Obama, and you meet with John McCain, and talk about bringing in "hundreds of thousands of votes". That stuff is all on the record.

If Obama loses, guess who's going to be blamed? You, and all you weird, Hillary Clinton cultists, and Hillary Clinton herself. Is that what you want?

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Hi CT Voter. This whole situation is really strange. I don't remember any of this kind of stuff in past elections. Do you? Everyone generally rallied around the nominee. I don't recall full page ads by dems attacking the dem nominee. The more I am thinking about it, maybe it really is a republican tactic to try to divide the dems. That's the only thing that makes any sense. Anything else is just too ridiculous to contemplate.

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Well, PUMA's founder donated money to McCain in 2000, so we're not talking about a true blue Democrat, are we?

I've never seen anything like this, no.

But my guess is that 1980 is probably the most similar. I wasn't paying all that much attention then.

I guess what surprises me is that these people are going to find themselves, soon, irrelevant to Obama (and I'm talking about fundraisers right now). At some point, his campaign and the DNC is just going to say to those prominent fundraisers "Fine. You do what you want. We don't need you. And don't let the door hit you on the way out".

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I wasn't paying as close attention in 1980 either. But I really don't remember kennedy people running ads attacking carter after carter locked up the nomination. I remember the convention stuff by kennedy, but I don't remember the excessive animosity that we see from the clintons' minions.

Interesting point on the PUMA founder. Very interesting point.

His fundraising is tanking already. He'd predicted he'd raise $100 million in June but, he didn't. He's reporting numbers combined with the DNC. The DNC's fundraising is almost half that of the RNC. In his big flip-flop on campaign funding, he may have shot himself in the foot. Since he spends money like a drunken sailor (as example: his rally for himself in Denver), and tries to manipulate all media and all around him, well, let's just say he's not really on the 'winning' bus right now.

I've been a Dem for 35 years but I left the party last month, as did my spouse. Almost every Dem friend I have has done the same here in Florida. I have, though, donated to Republicans in the past if they were right-minded, right-thinking people (and I mean right as in correct, not 'Right') I actually once had hoped in '04 that McCain would be Kerry's running mate, but then McCain became 'the other McCain', not the original McCain.

Anyway, bottom line is that Obama is doing himself in without any help from us (even though we're trying very hard to help!) He can't even give one speech lately that doesn't sound like Bush's.

Oh well. Your choice. Your candidate. You go ahead and vote for him and go ahead and send him another $20. He gets nothing from us.

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He'd predicted he'd raise $100 million in June but, he didn't.

No, no one from the Obama campaign made this prediction.

The DNC's fundraising is almost half that of the RNC.

Actually, in June, the DNC raised almost the same amount as the RNC. And the DSCC and the DCCC are significantly ahead of their Republican counterparts.

Since he spends money like a drunken sailor

Yeah, that "drunken sailor" approach allowed him to be the only significant candidate to be in the black for the entire campaign. Clinton is in debt right now (talk about spending like a drunken sailor!) and McCain was broke this time last year.


You go ahead and vote for him and go ahead and send him another $20

Great idea. But I think I'll make it $25.


Regarding "He'd predicted he'd raise $100 million in June but, he didn't. He's reporting numbers combined with the DNC. "

I haven't seen details on the numbers. What was the breakdown of the $50+M he claimed? How much to his campaign?

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All of the 52 million went to his campaign, which already had some 20 million, cash on hand. Combined with the DNC haul, the total was 92 million.

There are more Clinton voters than there are Obama voters in the Democratic party. I think you read it wrong if Obama fails. What next will liberals vote for a Republican (well, forget that one as anyone with a eye for a trustable candidate will opt for McCain over a proven liar like Obama, even if the politics are wrong--at least you won't be surprised) and will Blacks for for a Republican, no, they'll typically vote for whoever the Democrat is, even if it is Clinton. Any anyway, in the latter, there are more votes for Clinton than there are Black voters. So, forget the future and focus on here and now. First order of business is to get Obama dumped by the convention, else, watch the party lose the presidency in the fall, then, step to is 4 years to get Clinton in in 2012.

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Time to take your meds mattie. I think you forgot to take them today. The fantasy world that you live in is more bizzare than usual.

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Blather blather blather. "There are more Clinton voters than Obama voters". Exactly. Which is why he's the presumptive nominee.

Liberals aren't ever going to vote for McCain, either. People like you will, but you're not a liberal nor, my guess, even a Democrat.

And if Obama is not elected, you can take it to the bank that Hillary Clinton will be blamed. Fairly or not, she's going to be blamed. And my guess is that if this happens, she may find herself in the primary fight of her life in 2012.

Even her supporters are fed up with her request to roll over the money they donated to her senatorial campaign.

Get on board, Matthew. You're becoming irrelevant.

Hey Matthew, what's your position in Operation Chaos - Rushbo's assistant? You sound like an angry teenager who did not get his way. If you are not a part of Op Chaos - Grow Up. No time for your whining. And, if you're not affiliated with Op Chaos - a little piece of truth for you - you're hurting Hill more than you know.

McWeaver you asshat! How've ya' been? I ask you again - have you finished eating those babies yet?

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That's a fucking lie, fucktard

You guys are losers. Hillary is a loser. She ran a shit campaign.

Here's the lowdown: NO OBAMA SUPPORTER WILL EVER VOTE FOR HER FOR ANYTHING IF OBAMA DOES NOT WIN THIS TIME. HER SUCCESS DEPENDS ON HIS SUCCESS.

Since you are a repukeliscum troll, you don't care, of course.

BTW, I have been laughing all day since Maliki endorsed Obama's Iraq strategy. Obama won the election today, asshole.

Dataguy, I'm beginning to hear 'fee, fi, fo, fum" coming from under the bridge. Tearing their little heads off doesn't accomplish a thing. So proceed at your own peril.

Mattretardo: There are in fact
African American's
39,151,870
that make up 13.1% of the total U.S. population!

Hill had less than 18 million votes..... thats not even HALF of the AA population. And mind you this is not including the total including those who identify with being hispanic/aa !!!

That thinkin' thing in yo head ain't quite workin' right these days. eh ?

Umm, you people are already blaming Clinton for everything already, so what's the difference? Don't you know???? She's responsible for global warming. She's responsible for the Holocaust, she's responsible for Obama's hang nail, she's responsible because Obama can't debate an intelligent person. WhatEVER.

We're so over it all. You don't seem to realize how far you've pushed this mess with your name calling, your blame-game, your threats.

Without us, you have nothing but your plastic messiah.

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No, we have the plastic messiah, with or without you. You PUMAS will soon be irrelevant.

CT Voter,

You're absolutely right. These supposed Hillary supporters (if they really *are* Hillary supporters and not Republican trolls) are doing more damage to their beloved candidate than they realize. Do they think African-American voters are going to forgive Hillary if her obstinate supporters cost Obama the election? After the campaign she ran, Clinton already has some serious fence mending to do with the African-American community -- a group of voters, I might add, who put her husband in office in the first place. If AAs even *perceive* that a bunch of white Hillary supporters simply can't bring themselves to vote for the first black candidate to win a major party nomination, they may repay Hillary in kind if she runs in 2012. And trust me, no Democrat, not even a Clinton, can win without strong AA support. So I'd advise all these folks to think twice about what they say they're planning to do. They should remember that they're not the only ones who can play this game.

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Obama will win or lose on his own merits or demerits.

Please pay him the courtesy to acknowledge that.


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Yup, this memo is certainly going to make me support an unqualified, arrogant, cold, lying candidate.

But enough about Hillary and Bill!

Not voting for Obama.
Not voting for McCain.
I will not be complicit to empowerment of either.

Read the New Yorker article for some insight to Obama. He's a sleazy pandering climber. Just like the rest of them. Except that on his way up he's accomplished nothing and had no experience in any of the important issues.

I got this letter too (I didn't know that they sent it so major donors...I thought Don Fowler just sent it to people who emailed him) I don't say that he's wrong, but Hillary supporters need time to move on and they could have used a bit nicer words ;)

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It was a bit brusque, I agree, and probably is going to do some harm.

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I think they've had more than enough time. They're supposed to be adults, wise to politics.

How much more "time" do these Hillary diehards need? Get over it already, girls! This is the real world: sometimes you lose. Especially when you support a bad candidate.

Don,

You miss the point entirely. Even if Hillary had not been in the race, and Obama’s campaign hadn’t been one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever witnessed, I still wouldn’t vote for him because he lies on a regular basis. Obama is indeed a new type of politician - he’s the worst one I’ve ever seen.

And I’m so sick of hearing from Party officials who just ignore Obama’s FISA vote, or how he backed off from his Public Financing pledge, how he’s modified his views on gun control and the death penalty, and how his close friends and advisors keep contradicting what he says (NAFTA, Iraq).

The DNC has gone over and above to make sure I am fully aware that it will screw me over just as much as the GOP ever did. They, the DNC, has made the far left liberals the same bane and nightmare the fundamental conservatives have been for the Republicans.

I will be standing defiantely against this type of change. It’s my America too, damn it, and this is one citizen who’s gonna say “no deal” to your blunder of a DNC (PRESUMPTIVE) nominee, Obama.

PUMA Pride,
Ryan Fleury

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Enjoy that slide into irrelevancy, PUMA Pride.

Or better, why not just join the McCain campaign?

That's change I could believe in!

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Hey, cool, the circular firing squad is self-identifying.

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Quote: "Obama is just a left-leaning Bush - controlled by puppeteers, NO experience, NO work ethic, and unable to speak in public 'off the cuff'. It's actually amazing the similarities."

You must be really deranged to think there are similarities. The only thing factual that this can be based on -- other than the fact of your own unhappiness that Hillary lost -- is that Obama, speaking off the cuff, has a hesitant speaking style at least as he's getting started. But that doesn't affect the substance of his response in the least. It's unthinkable that he'd say any of the countless stupid things Bush has said -- like: "I don't have a magic wand! I can't just say 'low gas!' Or 'drop price!'"

Anyway, I can see you (and other HRC supporters) are really convinced of Obama's empty suitedness, and far be it from me to try to talk anyone out of that. But from where I sit, your opinion is based on nothing but your own unhappiness with the outcome of the primaries.

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Uh, I'm an obama supporter, but he did say as well that he didn't have a magic wand to change gas prices. I might drop that one from the list.

See, that's where you're wrong. The man has never worked a day in his life. He doesn't SHOW UP. He doesn't VOTE. He has NO international experience and never even showed up for the committee he chaired.

He's the product of the low-life Chicago political machine.

By the way, he doesn't seem to know that we have 50 states, not 57. He doesn't seem to know that Pearl Harbor was attacked. He seems to think there was 'a bomb' dropped on it. He doesn't seem to know it's inappropriate for a political candidate to go abroad and stage 'events' at important national monuments in other countries. He doesn't seem to know that there are a ton of people on the 'internets' who can spot a faked birth certificate document a mile away. He doesn't seem to know that all his years of 'campaigning' add up to far more than the time he ever put in on a single 'job' he was elected to. He doesn't seem to know that he was in a racist church for 20 years. He doesn't seem to know a lot.

I'd say that ads up to a lot of 'empty suit'. Plus he's embarrassing. If he doesn't think on his feet, how can he make sound decisions?

Geez, let's not even get into his flip flops. He's just another politician, saying and doing anything to be elected. It's your choice to believe it or not. But the debacle of a failed Dem presidency, should he somehow pull this off, will be on your heads.

"He doesn't seem to know that all his years of 'campaigning' add up to far more than the time he ever put in on a single 'job' he was elected to."

Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fact-checking. I assume that you're referring to his presidential campaign here? That'd be... I'll estimate 1 1/2 to 2 years. He was in the Illinois state senate (which I always assumed, at least, was an elected position) from 1997 to 2004. That's... well... 7 years. He also spent 4 years in the national senate, which also beats it out. Kay, bye bye! ^_^

1) I guess teaching at one of the most respective universities in the country, defending clients who have had their civil rights violated or working in construction are not considered 'real' jobs? I guess being a politician for 26 years afer having FAILED in the Navy are considered 'real' jobs? PUHLEASE!!

2) McCain has not shown his face in US Senate (his 'job' for the last 26 years) since April. http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/mccain-hasnt-voted-in-the-senate-since-april-8-2008/

3) He was talking about the 57 PRIMARY CONTESTS you moron! Count em' http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

4) As for his birth certificate, all you lazy people have to do is request the information from the STATE of Hawaii under the FOIA, if you really care...

As for the rest of that drivel, if you care to join the masses of humanity here on earth, let us know.

See point 1 in previous post ---http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1064437,CST-NWS-sweet20.article

Well, here's one for you. I'm surprised it eluded you; but, then, the media probably thought it wouldn't be good for the sheeple.

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Here come the dead, here come the dead...

"Enjoy that slide into irrelevancy, PUMA Pride.
Or better, why not just join the McCain campaign?
That's change I could believe in!"

Take the above comment. No discussion of why or how PUMAs feel the way they do, just disdain and insult. Change I can believe in? More like change that I'm morally against. What I posted in my first comment is how I see the issue.

And when people unite together and stand up for the values they believe in, it's definitely a matter of pride. So yes, PUMA Pride indeed.

As for you, CT Voter, your decisive comments are exactly the thing that needs to be done away with. How ironic that it's oppossed to your candidate's original platform - but then again, as I stated before, so much of your candidate's platform has changed since the beginning anyway.

Ditto, Ryan2483.

No one on that side has taken a moment to look at what PUMA is all about. They just want to attack. Their attacks are what CAUSED us to form the JustSayNo coalition. Very sad indeed, that these people are not going to learn from their own mistakes. They are unwilling to listen to anything but the koolaid makes sure that they don't hear, so I guess it doesn't matter.

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See, that's where you're wrong. The man has never worked a day in his life. He doesn't SHOW UP. He doesn't VOTE.

What's to discuss when someone starts off a comment with this bit of lying?

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If you're so "morally against" the presumptive Democratic nominee, then go join McCain's campaign.

And I have no idea what this means:

How ironic that it's oppossed to your candidate's original platform - but then again, as I stated before, so much of your candidate's platform has changed since the beginning anyway.

My comments are similar to Edward's original platform? 'Cause Edwards was my candidate. Oh, you mean Obama's? Can you explain how my comments are similar to Obama's?

Because, dude, that's quite a compliment, and I'm not sure I deserve it.


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We could kiss your a** and worship at the feet of the clintons and you would still be saying and doing the same thing. It really doesn't matter at this point. The only thing that would satisfy you people is the clintons stealing the nomination and then the dems getting slaughtered in november. Then you would be whining about president mcbush. Pathetic.

Exactly. PUMAs don't really know what they want, and nothing will satisfy them. They are just angry at life.

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Who cares how PUMA people feel? This isn't group therapy. It's an election. You're either a Democrat or you're not.

That's the point of this email...Get over yourselves, you're behaving like children.

Platform? I thought he was playing DDR. Flip-flop footing.

Glad to ee this letter go out! Wow the trolls were ready today. I guess this post and letter brings out their finer qualities. Matthew and fogu2..happy trolling because I know to ignore your assine commnets and opinions. You influence no one here but it is nice to see how absolutely stupid you are and ridiculos. People Obama doesn't need these Clinton supporters we can move on without them.

I know. I run into it more and more. I use to just roll my eyes and go on, but those were what made the dark days darker, when Obama's bloggers enveloped the net, making it necessary for Hillary Rapid Responders, and now PUMA Prowlers, to keep their voices roaring loudly. I do so and often, so that the rhetoric is called out for what it is - dillusional and deceptive.

But thank you for doing your part as well. PUMA is about people standing up for what they believe in. Country before party - it's really not a hard thing to understand.

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making it necessary for Hillary Rapid Responders, and now PUMA Prowlers, to keep their voices roaring loudly.

Hilarious!

PUMA Prowlers???

Dear Prowler, did you donate to the McCain campaign in 2000 as well?

I thought enough time had passed that I would not again feel the emotional response I felt during this primary when I saw & heard horribly disparaging remarks against Hillary mainly because she is a woman..Brought back many memories for me personally. I have nothing against Obama. I just have never understood what he really believes in or what he will really do. I'm hoping as time passes & we get into debates etc., that I will feel more reassured. However, when I read these really horrible comments because someone cannot love Obama right now, It really makes my blood boil. No one can tell me I have to support him, give money to him. That is my choice. From what I read & hear from the media, he doesn't need my $ or my vote, everyone else just loves him because he is this superior being. Evidently, many of you all see it that way too. Well I don't & that is my choice. I believe in civil liberties, I don't think Obama does? Hope I'm wrong.

Jesus, these people are more concerned with Hillary's feelings than with the state of the nation. I can't believe she has not called them on their actions. Hope she does so soon - every one of my MY family members and friends are waiting for her to do just that. If she wants to be elected as Senator in 2012, she needs to step up to the plate - fast.

CT Voter, is reading a challenge for you or do you now only capable of selective reading? I wrote the following:

"As for you, CT Voter, your decisive comments are exactly the thing that needs to be done away with. How ironic that it's oppossed to your candidate's original platform"

I was unaware that you were supporting Edwards for President - in fact, I was unaware that he was still running. However, if you're supporting Obama, well, then from the get go he was all about positive politics, and unitity, and so much other stuff that falls under the category of "just words" and failed campaign pledges.

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Quote: "See, that's where you're wrong. The man has never worked a day in his life. He doesn't SHOW UP. He doesn't VOTE. He has NO international experience and never even showed up for the committee he chaired.

He's the product of the low-life Chicago political machine."

This is just bullshit. He is incredibly hard-working. As for the subcommittee he chairs, I assume you've read what Biden and others have had to say and have just decided to ignore that?

I gotta say: It is very disconcerting to see HRC supporters mouthing talking points and ignoring the refuting facts that are out there. If you don't like Obama, you don't like him. Fine. The lack of experience is a valid point. IMO, he has countered that with his ongoing demonstrations of his judgment, but I can understand that others might disagree.

But the subcommittee charge? How can you even repeat that when surely you know the facts countering it are out there for everyone to read? Are you hoping no one has read the facts? It just makes you sound like a drone to repeat baseless crap.

Stick to the lack of experience if you're going to just repeat stuff you hear. At least it has some merit to it.

God, it's been awhile since I've encountered the Matthew Weavers of the world. I guess these whiny little brats aren't aware that there's an election coming. Don't worry, your dearly beloved will make room for you (in the janitorial corps) in the future breakaway nation of Chapaquastan.

I verified and the letter is legit from his office.

Thank God, electing a President is a serious thing, it's not just some high school spat.

This is probably the most important election in my lifetime.

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This letter will persuade noone.

Obama is practically running unopposed, if Clinton supporters are witholding support what is the big deal?

This letter is just for show as DEMANDING people vote a certain way never works. Don Fowler knows that if anybody does.

Why can't the Obama campaign cut costs on say, a $3 million stadium for his acceptance speech? He's got the votes, so at this point the party just needs money. And they're not spending it wisely so you can't blame people for tightening their wallets.

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Since when does the party need money more than it needs votes? What's the difference, you might ask, between Obama getting 53% of the vote and him getting, say, 57% of the vote? Coattails. It could make the difference between having 55 Democratic Senators and having 60 Democratic Senators.

Granted, I'm not sure I want the Dems to have that much power (absolute power corrupting and all that), but I'm quite sure the Democratic Party does.

Letters like the one Ricki Lieberman recently sent out likening Obama to Nazism is prompting this justifiable rebuke.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/clinton-distances-herself_n_113094.html

Unless tactics like Lieberman's are denounced by the party, they will continue unabated.

I agree with previous sentiments that some of Hillary's major donors come from a position of privilege where they are not used to being told 'no'. Not getting their way is simply a foreign concept. And has been reported, Obama's campaign is much more egalitarian with larger donors not fawned over compared to smaller donors. This is a completely new phenomena for some Hillraisers.

And because of these dynamics, such people will not alter their behavior until they are strongly rebuked. They are used to buying influence and see it as normal. If they see their actions are backfiring and alienating them with politicians up and down the scale, they will be loath to continue their behavior. It becomes a matter of pragmatics at that point.

And because I think a strong rebuke will sharply curtail at least some of their behavior, I think it's evident that, thus far, they have not been rebuked. Were Hillary to say, "If you continue, I won't return your calls in the future", you wouldn't see another letter sent out like Lieberman's. But the fact is Hillary's campaign hasn't done that because I don't think they are completely averse to such behavior. So Hillraisers receive the implicit message their behavior is not objectionable, and perhaps even welcomed to some degree.

So yes, it's about time someone finally rebuked their antics.

I read that letter and wondered what Washington, Jefferson and Adams said when they received something very similar from the king. Hmmmm...

I'm not whining...I'm standing up to the DNC for what it did to MI and FL. Wrong is Wrong! Country before party. Obama's American Idol/Rock Tour does not fly and his nomination isn't legitimate. He is an empty chair always trying to trade up, what's next after the White House? World Leader?


PUMA

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Uh, Hillary signed off on the FL and MI thing, btw.

She just changed her mind when she was losing and needed votes so she could argue that she wasn't really losing, and tried to whip people like you into a frenzy to convince SDs to ignore the pledged delegate count.

You were used.

To the person who commented: Sure, this will smooth everything over"....I reply:
What about we don't care what you think anymore? What don't you get about "We are finished pandering to you?" What do you not get about the state this country is in? or how many men and women have died in Iraq? What do you not get about health care for everyone? What do you not understand about back alley abortions?
I am just a citizen but you people scare me to death! We FINALLY have a chance to set this country back on an even keel and some of you want to whine and demand for your support? Get OUT of the way because more and more people will throw eggs at you because your becoming a hinderance.
SHE LOST. GET OVER IT..How's that grab ya?

My dear Sir... as he so aptly demostrated in and for the month of June - raising 52 million; Obama does not need your few little dollars. He is trying to help Hillary.

As far as I am concerned, you can keep your few little dollars!

To PUMA
LOL Get a life! Do you think we all are not now well aware that the fearless leader of PUMA donated 500 bucks to John McCain? LOL
Your 15 minutes are so O'ver

OBAMA 08

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Glad they've noticed they can't win without us. Us 2.3 million online PUMAs and the 9 million Hill supporters out in the real world recently polled.

Those 9 million in the real world may not know there is still time to nominate Hillary Aug 25. But they do know that they're not voting for Obama in November.

As of early June, it was 7 million: 4 million staying home and 3 million voting McCain. Now it's 9 million. (More details and cites and numbercrunching at turndownobama)

Better nominate an electable candidate instead of your Obama. He can run again when he grows up.

and more members are joing daily. We even have former Obama supporters. I am a member of PUMA (Party Unity Means Action) part of the Just Say No Coalition. The coalition has grown to over 230 websites.

First the DNC Rules & Bylaws committee only counting 1/2 the votes and delegates from FL & MI. As a Democrat that reverted me back to the Gore election of 2000. The Democratic primary was a close race like the Bush-Gore race of 2000. Deja vu huh! I wasn’t surprised when the Republicans pulled that; but our own party. Before the caucus members were repeatedly recruited by Obama staff, challenges were not heard by delegates, delegate members were denied the opportunity to register, and threats and intimidation was used at the caucuses. It shows an appearance of being bought off when super-delegates accept monetary donations from primary candidate then just so happens to pledge to that candidate. These issues happened in numerous states, not just one either. So it wasn’t and isolated incidents.

This fight and our movement isn’t just about the candidates. It is about our party, and in extension, about our nation and the world. We must not lose the fight for the soul of our people. We must not lose the principle of one person, one vote. We insist on the allowance of participation by all, participation that counts equally with all other’s participation.

I own my vote and no one tells (orders) me to vote for a candidate. DNC officials continue to let the party remain divided. Tough questions need to be asked by the DNC. Ask the DNC why they have not addressed these issues?

http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

You wish. You just change your user names. We really don't care if you join or not. He's going to be fine...fools.

OK FIRST OFF
1) Hillary supporters were the ones who SIGNED OF ON THE SANCTIONS TO FL & MI to begin with. Wow you PUMA's have short term memories

2) If you PUMA's are sooo with Hillary why haven't YOU payed off her debt?

3) Anyone who says either Hillary or Obama are not hard workers needs to get their screwed on straight and disrespecting both people.

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Look, we don't care about you stupid sluts anymore. Go and vote for McCain.

Remember the French whores, honey. After WWII, the French whores who screwed the Germans had their heads shaved, and they were tarred and feathered.

That's what's coming for you traitors.

Permanently Unhinged Menopausal Asshats. Feh!

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Mocking older women is always a great strategy. You see, they don't vote.

You sexist pig! Have you never heard of Male Menopause? Climb back under your rock and take the rest of those bottom dwellers with you.

(appreciative chuckle)

yeah, who needs us, anyway?

hee, heh, yeah. you're getting it.

Hey, I'm menopausal AND permanently unhinged. Don't associate me with those PUMA wingnuts!!

Obama is not worthy of my vote or many many others. Obama supporters wouldnt put so much effort into fighting if they werent so worried about this election. I guess Michelle Obama is right when she says "our souls are broken". The vile language that comes out of the Obama blogers says it all, your souls must be broken.
When Obama is experienced enough to be president then I'll vote for him, but not 'til then.

The only getting behind Obama that I will do is to give him a swift kick. I am not his "Sweetie"
and cannot believe that the Democrats could nominate someone so arrogant and so divisive. The only "change" we are seeing from him is the mind he keeps changing every other day. Now he has embarked on a tour to gain expertise in foreign policy. That is surely the "Audacity of Hope" . . . one trip does not an expert make.
But then, appearance is important when you lack substance.

Her career is toast if Obama loses? What have you been smoking? It is Obama who is not going to have any career if he does not win this election.

YOU ARE RIGHT. Hillary's name is a career in itself. Obama is a nobody until a cult was convened by the radicals of the left wing. And he will be a nobody after November 4, 2008. Next career for "The Arrogant One"? - a Bible Minister. He should pursue his Christianity after being a Muslim for 25 years or probably an Atheist.

Why are you validating him with your attention?

I was commenting on what dndobson wrote earlier. I am not validating anyone with my attension, I just wanted to reply to a very funny comment from a clueless Obama follower.

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Her career is over because no one other than a PUMA will continue to support her if she allows Obama to be sabotaged. A 2012 run? Yeah, right. She'll be booed for the narcissist she's show herself to be.

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Wow. The trolls really are out today. And there's no difference between a troll and a PUMA, btw. You're both working to keep America in Republican hands, which has really worked out well so far, don't you think?

This cult of personality thing around Hillary is really sad, and no amount of inane repetition of "country before party" obscures the fact that you're saying, "Hillary before country."

But hey, if you want to join the Republicans in sinking this country even further, go right ahead. Seeing President Obama sworn in is really going to chap your hides.

Ugh! A swarm of first time posters from Puerile Underachievers Manufacturing Anarchy. Just glanced at your website. Such blind obedience and righteous anger. Had to avert my eyes before I turned into a pillar of salt. You folks really are sleazy.

LOL !!!

It's a one shot deal. You don't get a second chance on that pillar of salt. Poof! Buhbye, ms eerie!

I know you are - but what am I? You mindless first-time-poster Repubmccain troll. Back to your hole troll!

The DNC is just getting worried about the last polls. It shows that at least Obama would rout President Bush 54% to 34%. McCain fares better against Obama than he does against two other prominent Democrats. New York Senator Hillary Clinton leads McCain by eight points, 50% to 42%. Former Vice President Al Gore, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, leads McCain 50% to 43%.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/obama_leads_bush_by_twenty_but_clinton_does_better_against_mccain

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You are, like all these PUMAs, a really stupid person. Hillary will not be the nominee. Who cares what some poll, constructed by Rasmussen a republican polling house, says? Gore also will not run.

Only a pinhead hillary-bot cares about fake polls.

Obama will win, and hillary will not be on the ticket. She will never be president.

Deadlock at convention?
Gore from the floor...nice and fresh for the campaign.
It could happen.
You're not old enough to have ever seen a real convention, are you? It's not a coronation, it's horse trading at best.

I am glad he takes things serious and to him his vote means more than nothing a sporting event. Poor analogy, he could have come up with something better. Los Angeles Lakers didn't establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.

The civil rights movement and voting rights reforms of the 1960’s were successful, and the people prevailed. We must not go back to the deal making, behind doors double dealing of the pre-civil rights era. We must go forward, undoing the damage that was recently done, restoring our party to the principles it purports to stand for so that our nation can recover from the blows heaped upon it by the current people in power. Sorry, but I don't think voting is comparible to a sporting event.

You're right. He may just take his toys and go home. It's ironic he uses the word "mature", Fowler said,"It is time to act in a mature." Yes, and we waiting for a mature response on the issues and how they will be addressed.

Country before Party.

You don't even have to tell me you are an Obama supporter. You can just tell by the language.

You don't have to tell us you're a Republican troll. We can tell by your general dickishness. It's also a trait of the members of the People Under Massive Anesthesia movement.

You're asking the wrong people. You should ask the DNC. CT they had to have an inkling this was going to happen before they had their backroom meeting in May. They didn't give a shit. A video made before the meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgyqWydgLz0

Like I said you do realize it was the Clinton supporters who voted to strip away those delegates in the 1st place don't you?

The polls are so tight right now, although on a state by state basis Obama pretty much wins in a landslide, because of that portion of Hillary backers who are holding back on Obama.

The angry Hillary supporters (and it has now been almost 2 months would think they would have gotten over it) need to be told that Hillary will not be the nominee no matter what and that there's no intention for her to run in 2012. She should tell them directly, but I won't get my hopes up.

Nevertheless, their hopes have to be shattered, as long as they think there is a glimmer of hope (ex. getting the nomination at the Convention, or running in 2012).

If they truly believe Hillary will run in 2012 that is where the problem lies and why they will vote for McCain.

This letter from the DNC is offensive and stupid.
Comparing the sexist bile thrown at clinton to the lakers...my god... does the kool aid ever wear off?
It is time for the Obama fanatics to wake up to the fact that they selected a loser. We PUMA's are not coming back and many will gleefully help McCain defeat this interloper from Chicago.

The arrogance of the DNC and the pro Obama left never fails to astound. Obama can barely keep his head above the waterline in national polls now - come the Fall he will be buried.
Real progressives know that this false idol is harming us all.

No DNC - we are not coming home. You burned the house down.

I would add that to an extent Hillary will be partly blamed if Obama loses, even though someone was blasted for saying it, and that has been said in fact by more than mere bloggers like us but some superdelegates and insiders.

1) She will be blamed for letting her hardline supporters continue their charade of anti-Obama/vote for McCain threats...

2) Because she didn't drop out when it was clear she was going to lose the delegate count and thus intensifying the divisions for 2-3 months too many. This is the key issue for which party members, including some of her own party supporters, will remember.

There is no guarantee she would win a Democratic nomination in 2012 if Obama loses the election. I can see Obama supporters rallying behind another candidate during the primaries. And there's no guarantee that there won't be another candidate that brings out passion like Obama did in 2012. There's no guarantee she'll even want to run by then.

And besides, never mind the tight national polls, Obama wins the electoral vote by around 300 if you count some toss-up states that aren't really toss up states since Obama is always ahead comfortably without exception in states like Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Minnesota, New Hampshire, among others. He is also moving ahead or ties Mccain in states like Nevada, North Carolina, and Virginia.

Look at every electoral count measure and Obama wins a decisive victory.

I think national polls are not that significant, I look at the state-by-state polls, that is more significant because that is how elections are won.

Heil Hitler, buddy.

Leave it to a Republican troll to reference their favorite mass murderer. Fuck you, buddy.

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I saw a interview with Chuck Todd and he was asked why Obama is ahead in all those states why wasn't he beating McSame by more. He said that the amount of points he was ahead by constituted a landslide in the GE!

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Amazing, isn't it, how Hillary is having trouble retiring her 'campaign debt" (even though she and Billybob could easily absorb it given their $100 million+ net worth).....

But all those slavishly loyal 18 million+ 'supporters' can;t seem to each shove a $1 bill into an envelope and help out their 'well-loved candidate'??

Pathetic, if you ask me. Obama raises nearly 3 times the amount of poor Hillary's 'debt' in a mere 4 weeks - while her devoted Hillbots can't raise a measly $18 million in 7 weeks!

Hah! Most excellent observation our Ithacan friend! These so called PUMAs are really Republican trolls, swarming, defecating and then moving on.

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Ah cap_hill, so pity, so droll, so absolutely adorable - what could I possible share as a worthy rejoinder?

Ahh, ummm, oh gee....so many to choose from....ok, how about....no....ok, ok....ASSHAT DICK TROLL!

Unfortunately this letter will only serve to widen the g