Poll: Obama Leading In Red State Of Montana
Wow. A new Rasmussen poll shows that Barack Obama is ahead in Montana, a state that voted for President Bush by a 59%-39% margin in 2004. It's a further sign of just how much the electoral map may be expanding this year.
The numbers: Obama 48%, McCain 43%, with a ±4.5% margin of error. Back in April, Rasmussen put McCain ahead by an identical 48%-43% margin.
Democrats can be very successful at the state level here -- they have the governorship and both Senate seats -- but the presidential vote has historically been much tougher to crack. The state has voted Democratic only twice in the last 50 years: The Lyndon Johnson landslide of 1964, and Bill Clinton narrowly winning its three electoral votes in 1992.












Comments (50)
Yeah I saw that. I can't believe it....What is going on?
July 3, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's called a realignment, baby!
July 3, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
David Sirota's new book, "The Uprising" has a chapter on the new politics in Montana. Very enlightening. "The Uprising" is also an upcoming book discussion on TPMCafe.
July 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
An ass kicking is what's going on. And I'm loving every minute of it!
July 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shomer Shabbas!!!
July 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hear, hear!
July 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Pat Buchanan said today everything's going wrong for Obama. I don't understand. Pat's a straight shooter.
July 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big blue sky country here we come.
July 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't too surprising when you consider they have recently elected a Democratic governor and senator. Still, good to see another state that could switch.
July 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's what to get a few more polls out of this state similar things before we dissolve into fits of joys.
That said, this is excellent news indeed.
July 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry about that terrible grammar. working from home on the laptop and the keys are sticky.
:-)
July 3, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
No need to wait. Gallup confirms the exact same results!
July 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
MY BAD!
July 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
The TPM table on the right mistakenly says Gallup:
MT-Pres
July 3 GallupObama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 43%
July 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for spotting that. I've fixed it.
July 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
We must not rest until there are YouTube videos of every one of these criminals singing "Van Diemen's Land" while being frog-marched out of town.
July 3, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama leading in Montana: Should we be that surprised? I never bought into the MSM cynical notion of red state and blue state: we are the United States of America. And as long as Barack Obama has the message, resources and support he can compete anywhere. Bill Clinton won Montana in 92', Barack Obama is going win Montana in 08.'
July 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Should we be surprised? Maybe not. But pleased? Certainly. The story of Obama changing the electoral map has been out there for almost a year now and Montana has been a state that people have wondered about. But now we have data that confirms the theory and that is NEWS! Will it hold up? We'll see.
Obama has a balancing act to do with regards to guns. The NRA is going to spend big against him and he needs to get his rural versue urban gun policy message out there and reassure folks in states that hunt like Montana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, etc.
BTW: Clinton won in '92 with a plurality because of the Perot effect. He lost it in '96.
July 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican's need to dump McCain, that's the only way they'll have a shot. He's a horrible candidate. He's their default candidate, and the default candidate never wins the Whitehouse.
July 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...and the default candidate never wins the Whitehouse."
But Bob Dole gave it a heck of a try.
July 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain as Bush 2.1 wasn't so juicy, McCain as Dole would be quite tasty too. But we must remain on message in displaying for the rest of America who your candidate really is...
July 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I liked Bob Dole, thought he was an honorable (and competent) man. But the only way he was going to win against Bill Clinton was if the latter were photographed buggering a nun on the White House lawn.
July 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
turns out that wasn't really outside the realm of possibilty now was it??
July 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, who else are they going to nominate?
July 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
wow i wonder if msm will cover this.........that's a pretty big margin, this may be a snapshot in time with this poll but this may keep mcsame camp up at night sweating............
July 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
YIKES!! Johnny must be getting real scared. Looks like maybe only Utah and Wyoming might be totally safe for him this year. Well, maybe Alabama too. He is going to be spread very thin. WE will see how much stamina he has to play defense all over the country.
July 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Taking weekends off will surely help with that.
July 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel the earth move (landslide) under my feet.
July 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow? What the fuck is "Wow" about this, Eric? Obama is barely outside of the margin of error. That's a tie, not a "lead." Considering McCain came in third in Montana's February caucuses, it's not surprising that the state has some ambivalence this year.
McCain was ahead in April because he was the presumptive Republican nominee and the Democratic primary hadn't been contested yet.
Montana has how many electoral votes?
Sorry, but this does not qualify as Wow news. I've never seen you write propaganda before, Eric. Maybe it was never so obvious.
Thanks for all the hard work.
July 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
poor PUMA kitten, it must suck to back two losers in one year...
July 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that a picture of Chuck Todd?
July 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently you blew that gasket this morning....
July 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clever.
July 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, even a tie would be a "wow" at this point. In '92 Clinton beat Bush by 10K votes in Montana as Perot took 100K votes. Other than that the last time they went blue was the landslide of '64. In presidential elections Montana is traditionally a Republican state and Obama has a very good chance of winning it. Wow!
Add on to that the fact that it McCain is not running strong in any traditionally blue state and the recent battleground states of Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio are looking good for Obama too.
The underlying story here is "how can McCain win?" If he is losing states like Montana he either has to spend money there (and money is a problem for him) or he needs to find electoral votes elsewhere. But where are they?
So, Readytoblowagasket, you might want to try meditation or yoga or get a massage or something because it is going to be a long campaign season for you.
July 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
This qualifies as "propaganda" in your estimation? My word, but you set the bar rather low...
July 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, look up the word propaganda. Eric is a journalist, yes? Presumably, he's not supposed to spin. We depend on Eric for accurate information, correct?
In my complaint I'm actually setting the bar to where it's supposed to be. Eric's the one who lowered it. This piece is not reporting. Call it "spinning" if you don't like the word "propaganda." But that's what propaganda is.
If you're going to be an informed voter, Greg, you should make yourself aware of propaganda, no matter who it comes from.
I don't set the editorial standards at TPM, Josh Marshall does. TPM can do better than this. Unless it's supposed to be an echo chamber? Is that what you'd prefer?
July 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) Contra your claim, 48-43 is a lead (even if only a small one) not a tie.
2) Even a tie would merit a "wow." This is a surprising result. If you do not believe me, go back and review all of those claims from your fellow Clinton supporters during the primaries to the effect that Obama would not carry any of those mountain west states that went for him in the primary.
July 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a half point outside of the margin or error. That's not a wow. Nor is it "leading" (even "edging" would be a better word choice). Therefore it's not reported accurately. It's skewed. Why? To make us happy and coming back for more? To prompt us to send another donation to Obama? Why skew this story? What's the point?
I'm not interested in your residual churlishness over what Clinton supporters have said in the past, at least not in this thread. I am interested in discussing poll results with some present-tense perspective. Apparently you aren't?
Again, here's some perspective:
1) Montana is lukewarm about McCain.
2) Obama worked hard in Montana before the Dem primary just last month, so he's got more recognition now than he did in April. Which he earned. Duh, not wow.
Both of these points are worth noting and exploring further. Can you acknowledge the topic about overhyping the data, or can you only express your defensiveness over a half-point lead?
July 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't put too much faith in PB. He has been slapped down many a time on Mornin Joe. Plus, he's a Republican. What do you expect him to say?
July 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe if Cindy charged $750k on campaign adds rather than clothes last month, her Audie Murphy wanna-be husband would be doing better!
July 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've never understood why the state of Mike Mansfield and Lee Metcalf voted for Republican presidential candidates, especially this last one. For that matter I can't figure out what's up with Frank Church's state or Frank Moss's or Fred Harris's. These places shouldn't be owned by Republicans, especially today's Republican party. I can't wait for the Empty Quarter to come home.
July 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another Rocky Mountain High with this news!
July 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
But this is a Rasmussen poll. Rasmussen's polls have tilted toward the right all year. Hillary Clinton lead Obama in the Rasmussen poll throughout the primary until it was clear she had no mathematical chance of winning.
If Rasmussen says that the Dem is leading the Republican just OUTSIDE the margin of error, then the Dem probably leads by a little more than that.
July 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, but also remember other polls had her ahead too. And now, who is the nominee? Dems can't get too cocky about Obama's chances: CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
July 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brian Schweitzer . . . Jon Tester . . . Barack Obama. It's a logical progression. And a good one.
July 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
No mention of Bob Barr or Nader in the Rasmussen poll-- (maybe they're in the cross-tabs that you've got to pay to get)
I suspect that Barr will be somewhat of a factor in Montana -- Paul placed second there with 25% and ran ahead of McCain, and the state has plenty of "sagebrush rebellion" types who kept the west Republican for so long. If he mounts much of a campaign, this would be one of the states where he could have an impact.
Nader got 6% in 2000, but that was probably because Gore wasn't contesting the state so progressive Dems felt free to cast a bit of a protest vote. Nader dropped to 1% in 2004 -- even though Kerry wasn't contesting. I doubt he'll be much of a factor in Montana this year - although in a close race, even a few hundred votes could be a problem.
Whatever the outcome, I love the fact that the McCain will have to play defense and possibly lose states like Montana -- every dollar he spends there is one less dollar in Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Nevada, etc.
July 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Larry Craig! Larry Craig!
July 3, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Larry Crain-man! Larry Craig-man!
July 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's check the list... hmmm...
Gas--
four bucks a gallon
Jobs--
unemployment at 5.5%, up from 4% in 2000
Iraq--
still there
Afghanistan--
not looking good
Bin Laden--
no idea
Better off now than 8 years ago?
fat chance
Chance of non-incumbent Republicans winning any elections this year?
slim to none
July 3, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I'm not mistook, that's plus or minus 4.5. So 48 - 4.5 = 43.5 and 43 + 4.5 = 47.5. In other words, this is well within the margin of error.
And yes, Obama just campaigned there. But this is also a good sign. If he is campaigning places and then the polls swing in his direction, that is a sign he is doing something right.
July 5, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink