Pentagon Confirms That It Told Obama He Couldn't Visit Army Base With Campaign Staff
I've just gotten clarification from the Pentagon on what really happened with regard to Barack Obama's canceled visit to an Army base in Germany, something the McCain campaign has been using to hit Obama since yesterday.
A Pentagon spokesperson confirms to me that because of longstanding Department of Defense regulations, Pentagon officials told Obama aides that he couldn't visit the base with campaign staff. This left Obama with little choice but to cancel the trip, since the plan to visit with campaign aides had been in the works for weeks.
The Obama campaign yesterday announced that it had decided to cancel the visit to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, saying that it would be "inappropriate" to make such a visit as part of a campaign trip.
The McCain camp has nonetheless been using Obama's canceled trip to insinuate that he's anti-troops. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers said in a statement yesterday. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."
But it turns out that the Pentagon did in fact tell Obama that in this case, it was not only "inappropriate," but against DOD rules, for him to conduct the visit with campaign staff.
"We have longstanding Department of Defense policy in regards to political campaigns and elections," Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Hibner told me. "We informed the Obama staff that he was more than welcome to visit as Senator Obama, with Senate staff. However, he could not conduct the visit with campaign staff."
After being told this, the Obama campaign announced yesterday that it had decided it was "inappropriate" to make the visit as part of a campaign trip.
It's unclear how Obama could have made the visit at all, given the Pentagon's directives. No Senate staff was on the trip, and the Obama camp says they received the Pentagon's directives on Wednesday, after they were already abroad.
Bottom line: We're not seeing any issue here at all.
Late Update: In fairness, the Obama campaign's first statement should have been clearer about what happened, but the larger point is that the McCain campaign criticism appears unfounded.

Comments (179)
What about McCain's cancelled speech on the oil rig? The one in the Gulf off LA that had to be cancelled because of an OIL SPILL.
Now that's a cancelled appointment with some relevance.
July 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/23/152437/064/496/555797
July 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, actually: the oil spill fits in perfectly with Obama's opposition to off-shore drilling.
July 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah its kind of ironic
see obama in france live online here http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/watch-obama-with-president-nicolas-sarkozy-live/
July 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, and apparently the good American public isn't buying all this drilling to lower gas prices nonsense anyways (good article on Dkos right now).
Dkos link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/25/1201/30587/750/556584
From the Widlerness Society:
"A significant majority of Americans (63%) said that the President's proposal to open up public lands to oil and gas drilling is "more likely to enrich oil companies than to lower gas prices for American consumers." A substantial majority (66%) said that "the small percentage of public lands still protected from oil drilling should remain off limits because they are valuable natural resources that cannot be replaced."
July 25, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The issue is it reinforces both ways barack and the dishonesty of what he says:
1) The campaign said the berlin speech was not obama campaigning but him as a citizen. on the other hand, a visit to the military would be campaigning, not as a citizen or senator.
2) The campaign statement misrepresents what the DoD told them. It is a major misrepresentation because it tries to make it out that they had no choice, but they did.
3) if obama really wanted to visit, he could have.
people who think this is "no issue" have to be a little more honest with themselves.
July 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You didn't just say that an oil spill helps Obama...did you?
July 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, but YOU sure implied it.
July 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Offshore drilling- what a great answer for our energy future:
"Oil from the spill is visible along the New Orleans riverfront, with a thick coat of black muck washing up along the rocks near the Moonwalk. Farther away from the bank, the muck broke off into small islands.
A thick blanket of oil stuck to the hull of a Coast Guard cutter patrolling the area between the wrecked barge and the riverfront near the Aquarium of the Americas. The surrounding air there smells like it would near a gas station or in a traffic jam, only stronger."
From:
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07/ap_collision_closes_mississipp.html
July 25, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
...of course this spill has nothing to do with offshore drilling but hey...why let facts get in the way.
July 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? "Nothing to do" with offshore drilling? Where was the oil in the tanker from? Is that clear?
July 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It has EVERYTHING to do with OIL, though. Doesn't it?
July 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
from rttnews.com:
"Oil prices reversed course and moved higher Thursday in U.S. trading after a move in Congress to tap into the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve was defeated. ... At a press conference before the vote, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, pointed out that previous releases from the oil reserve had knocked down prices, sometimes significantly: 33 percent in 1991, 19 percent in 2000 and nine percent in 2005"
Thanks, Republicans, for defeating the bill. Thanks for sticking up for the oil companies and NOT the American republic.
Shouldn't you change your party name to the Corporatist Party?
July 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's campaign, of course, comes off as ridiculous.
July 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
A politician without staff is like peanut butter without jelly (or McCain without a geography gaffe of the day).
July 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg - there is no issue here, there is no issue there, there hasn't been one damn issue raised by McLame yet.
They are making shit up as fast as they can and none of it means one damn thing.
This may be the weirdest campaign season evah.
July 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. There is absolutely no issue here at all. McCain is grasping at straws...if he brings it up again then this article can easily swat that down.
July 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
no issue?
obama never takes responsibility for decisions. always blaming it on others, his surrogates, his staff.
in this case, he blames DoD by misrepresenting what they told his campaign. dont u think if he really wanted to go he would have found a way?
July 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly no issue whatsoever here. But what about that "surge" thing? Better bring that one up again, since McCain is running as President of the Surge. I can't find much else of substance in his positions.
July 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain already got his play with this issue. Why didn't the Obama camp give this reasoning yesterday? Did they not want to make it an issue with the Pentagon, but had to do so when McCain decided to make it an issue?
Hagel and Reed we're gone after the ME portion of the trip, but I assume he could have went by himself.
July 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's staff not on their game on this one. All staffers should have just parked themselves outside of the base along with the reporters. Obama could have had a private (respectful) visit with wounded soldiers.
McCain's spinners would have nothing to distract people with (and Dems wouldn't be wasting a day trying to get the correct story out there).
July 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was all a trap and Mccain fell right into it. If Obama's campaign had said the visit wasn't allowable under DOD rules the story would've died there. Instead Mccain went on offense and tried to score some points and now Obama gets to counter with "Mccain turned our following of military rules into a political attack"
July 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
He still could've gone...just not made it a "campaign" event...no photo op...just a citizen of the world thanking other citizens of the world.
July 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, SFC, we all know that when it comes to you and Obama, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
You want to schedule that walk on water for you for later? Or will that not be enough, either?
July 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not true, he's only damned when he messes up, and I think he stepped in it here. If he's gonna error when it comes to the perception of his support of the troops it should be in the other direction.
July 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I know - and whether or not Obama messed up is a matter of perspective, right?
'
So you get to say anytime you think he's messed up. Even when he hasn't. Because of your "perspective" - No?
Go back to LGF. That's where all of you originate.
July 25, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I originated in one of the most liberal counties in the country (Sonoma CA)so I'm used to liberals trying to shout me down just because they don't agree. Free speech (well if you agree with us anyway otherwise shut up) is your hallmark.
July 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it is the other way around, Wallace. Right-wingers are always the first to deny Constitutional rights. See "Gitmo" for one example of many.
July 25, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, republicans are reeling..
July 25, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was not travelling in Germany with his Senatorial staff. He is not a private citizen who can just hop in a cab and head over to the base, but a presidential candidate with organizational and security concerns. Your suggestion that he could have gone alone is just stupid. There is no issue here.
July 25, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet none of your self-justification makes you any less of an asshat.
Your Dear Leader has been on one long campaign event for the last eight years. Fortunately, that shit's about to end.
July 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha, free speech! You're still allowed to post here aren't you? RedState on the other hand just banned me for linking to this article.
July 25, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does McCain opposition to the GI Bill and that not even showing up to vote on it measure his support for the troops?
What about all McCain's votes against more money for veterans and veteran's hospitals show McCain's support for the troops.
Quite simply McCain doesn't care if it involves any cost at all.
No cost, no measure is small enough for McCain and his support of the troops.
July 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Idiot...If you recall...he was on a codel in Afghanistan and Iraq, with his Senate staff...His campaign staff was on the Obama plane. After the Iraq codel with Reed, and Hagel. He switched planes and staff as Senate staffers fall under the Hatch Act.
Now we find ourselves on Wednesday (the idiots in the Pentagon sat on the decision for a week before informing Obama), and he has only campaign operatives, a speech to give and other concerns.
The best turn on a dime move is to say that it is inappropriate.
I guess with your logic, he should have shown the DOD a permissions slip from Ace McCain saying its OK.
But it was'nt.
OK? LIFER? Why do'nt you get some wurst to go with your whine.
July 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't waste your time on someone who's probably spent the better part of his military career staring down the business end of a stapler.
July 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you use Lifer as a pejorative?
July 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he figures you're just a full-of-shit chickenhawk who likes macho avatars?
July 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lifer, is what you think it is. If you think it is a perjorative, it is. If you are proud of it; then it is something to be proud of. I know and have known many honorable lifers in my time.
The question, is in your own mind.
July 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's an event even if cameras aren't there.
July 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
He had no Senate staff with him. No Senator goes anywhere, especially overseas, without their staff to coordinate and act as a liaison.
The issue here is someone within the DoD apparently withheld this information to the campaign until well after all arrangements had been made.
I'm curious to see if anyone does the legwork to see how strenuously this apparent regulation has been upheld prior to Obama's trip.
July 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm curious to see if anyone does the legwork to see how strenuously this apparent regulation has been upheld prior to Obama's trip."
That assumes we have a MSM that is interested in getting to the bottom of government deceit / trickery/ policital machinations.
July 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you read the article that Greg linked to, no one made a "ruling" or "forbade" the visit. "Concerns" were raised, about the visit being a campaign event.
July 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said nothing about a "ruling" or about Obama being overtly forbidden from actually visiting Landstuhl. However, from the article:
[blockquote]...the Obama campaign received official permission two weeks ago from the Pentagon to land a plane in Ramstein, Germany. But on Wednesday, he said, military officials advised the campaign of concerns about a political visit being a violation of government rules.[/blockquote]
This sure sounds like someone is referring to "rules". So, basically plans were made and confirmed through the Pentagon by the Obama campaign to visit US soldier serving overseas, and then after the first portion of the visit went so well, "concerns" were brought forward. This was also after visiting troops in Iraq and Jordan.
Very curious, to say the least. But I'm sure not political in the least
July 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I'm a mess this afternoon. I should just get back to work :)
What I meant was:
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I said nothing about a "ruling" or about Obama being overtly forbidden from actually visiting Landstuhl. However, from the article:
This sure sounds like someone is referring to "rules". So, basically plans were made and confirmed through the Pentagon by the Obama campaign to visit US soldier serving overseas, and then after the first portion of the visit went so well, "concerns" were brought forward. This was also after visiting troops in Iraq and Jordan.
Very curious, to say the least. But I'm sure not political in the least
July 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're saying Obama should have risked it? And you wouldn't have criticized it? Sure thing. You and the rest of the McHacks are just pathetic...
July 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What, are you teh offspring of EastWest and rstephen?
Guess you missed this part:
"A Pentagon spokesperson confirms to me that because of longstanding Department of Defense regulations, Pentagon officials told Obama aides that he couldn't visit the base with campaign staff. This left Obama with little choice but to cancel the trip, since the plan to visit with campaign aides had been in the works for weeks."
I hope your MOS doesn't involve anything complex like reading and understanding plain English.
July 25, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aren't those of the isolationist right (I know, redundant) just adorable. Heaven forfend that we could have a president that actually believes in working with allies and utilizing diplomacy. I guess for the right to have been happy Obama should've pulled a Bush and given the german crowd the finger -- preferably from a ranch somewhere in Texas.
July 25, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oooh, that's some ugly desperation... you just can't get over the fact that McLiar is peddling bullshit because his campaign is sinking like a rock.
July 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
tell that to the 200 journalists who wanted to travel with him. somehow i doubt he would have been able to take this trip WITHOUT IT BEING COVERED.
July 25, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only actual issue, as you've pointed out, is whether they actively screwed Obama by not responding to his plans for a visit until it was too late to change them. I think the campaign accurately perceived that even if that were true, arguing it would distract from the purposes of the trip, so they put the best face possible on it.
July 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview. "But there is a DoD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/DoD_spokesman_says_Obama_camp_was_reminded_of_political_rules.html
July 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of parsing there.
Are you sure you were not part of the Clinton Adminstration?
July 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This doesn't answer the issue of selective enforcement. Why was Obama's visit in conflict with this regulation, but McCain's visits to military bases are OK?
July 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't sound like it was, it looks like he was told not to let it become a campaign event and he balked.
July 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, here's a thought. Why don't you try doing some work at your work computer for a change?
July 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the rest of the quote, including what you ellided: “Senator Obama, in his official capacity, is always welcome to visit Landstuhl or any other military hospital. But it is not permitted to bring with him campaign staff. His team was notified of that, and they made a decision not to visit the hospital. But we were ready and willing to host him there. In fact, we had made arrangements for his campaign plane to land at Ramstein, and to take care of the campaign staff and press in a passenger terminal there, while the senator and senate staff, if he liked, went on to visit wounded warriors. They made a decision based on their own calculations not to visit. Senator Obama, like any other member of the senate, is always welcome to visit our wounded warriors or our military hospitals around the world. But they do so in their official capacity, and not as a candidate. He can come in and bring senate staffers as well, if he likes, but campaign staffers and press are not permitted to accompany him. That would be a violation of DoD directives.”
How nice of them to offer to "make arrangements" for the campaign staff and reporters to cool their heels while Obama made the rounds, "if he likes".
One of those "you can't do this, but, hey, you decide" deals.
July 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. "Come on over, and your people can spend a few hours in the hangar" doesn't exactly sound like a "you're welcome to visit" to me. As for all those folks saying "Obama should have just gone on his own," I wonder how many of them can think through the entire scenario. It's not as though the staff, reporters, pilot and flight crew, etc. just disappear because Obama decides to do something else. The trip was tightly scheduled, and this stop had been part of the plan. For the DOD to suddenly say that no one but Obama (and, in theory, his Senate staff) could come inside meant that everyone else was stuck waiting on the plane or in the hangar.
Now, as much as Obama might have wanted to visit the troops, I can also understand that 1) the event was already "politicized" and he didn't want to push it any further, and 2) he wasn't going to ask all the other folks traveling with him to cool it on the runway for a few hours while he ditched them. It's not about a "photo op." It was the only realistic choice, given the last minute logistical block.
July 28, 2008 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. The issue is that they didn't tell him until the last minute.
July 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
More information from Politico:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/Obama_camp_says_Pentagon_nixed_troop_visit.html?showall
"My colleague Carrie Budoff Brown, traveling with Obama, sends over more information from a briefing ofered by Gibbs:
Senior strategist Robert Gibbs said the visit to the military hospital in Germany had been in the works for about three weeks, with Gration serving as the campaign's contact with the Pentagon.
The Pentagon cleared the Obama plan to land at the base on either July 15 or 16, Gibbs said. The plane needed the clearance because of restrictions on landing nonmilitary aircraft there, he said.
But then on Wednesday, Gration told Obama aides that the Pentagon had informed him that the visit could be viewed as a campaign stop.
"They cited a regulation," Gibbs said of their point of contact, described as legislative affairs in the office of the secretary.
"We believed that based on the information we received that any presence, even his own and only his own, would get into a back and forth on whether his own presence was a campaign event," Gibbs said.
Obama decided on the flight Wednesday from Tel Aviv to Berlin not to visit the hospital.
Asked why he believed the Pentagon would clear the visit, then raised questions about it, Gibbs declined to speculate: "I don't know what to make of it."
Asked whether he thought the Pentagon set up the campaign for a political embarrassment, Gibbs said no."
July 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is just like the state dept rulings...playing games and trying screw Obama. Not issuing this ruling in timely manner was on purpose!
damn..it would be so nice for our gov't to stop with this shit!
July 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I smell Rovian tactics and some cooperation with Mccain. If this comes out no doubt the MSM will bury it and focus on the audacity of Obama munching on a crossaint with Sarkosy...just damn UnAmerican!
July 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't matter that it's not a real issue - the McCain campaign has made it an issue. Obama didn't respond quickly enough, and he didn't respond aggressively enough, with an invitation to compare his support for the troops to McCain's. Once again, the Democrats are going to "nice guy" their way to a loss in November if they don't learn how to play this game.
July 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
O please.
Obama just made a speech in Berlin that the whole world was listening to.
Your concern is totally baseless.
July 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
The more McCain decides to make this an issue, the more it'll come out just what kind of backroom games are being played by the DoD to help the Republican candidate. The more people, especially independents realize how political Republicans have turn supposedly non-partisan segments of the federal government, the less likely they'll want another Republican back in the reigns of the White House.
I don't think he'll push this "attack" too much farther.
Besides, how much more aggressively did you want Obama to respond? Did you want him to take steps to actively embarrass the entire DoD when this was clearly the work of some politically appointed stooge within?
July 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I were McLame, I'd want people to forget that speech and this entire trip as quickly as possible.
Obama just became president this last week. He morphed right into The President, and everybody can see it, and I bet McLame can see it.
July 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
"He morphed right into The President, and everybody can see it..." You really need to come up for air some time. It was a nice speech but "hail to the chief" isn't playing everytime he walks down the stairs quite yet. I'm still trying to figure out why your "messiah" is scared of debating the "feeble old man." Maybe he realizes he's all show and no go.
July 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure you'll be the first to be grousing come 1/20/09 about your "so-called" C in C. Just like the Clinton years.
Not that you're partisan or anything...
July 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
More GOP trickery.
McCain should issue an apology or declare the DOD rules wrong. Which is it?
July 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama cannot attack from abroad. McCain has had a free pass all week, while slinging mud across the Atlantic whenever he or his campaign felt like it.
July 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, typical coward, typical repug. Hit your opponent below the belt when his hands are tied.
July 25, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just how disconnected is this with to the State department prohibition of Berlin embassy staff attending his speech? There does appear to be a coordinated pettiness campaign going on by the Republican-controlled bureaucracy.
Such stringent rules seem to no longer matter when Lorita Doan shows up with her government politicizing agenda.
July 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right, HusseinTenaX. He's doing all of the right positive things, but I don't think he was prepared for how crazy the Republicans are. John Kerry and Al Gore were very impressive, high-minded, polite candidates, too. They underestimated the determination of their opponents and overestimated the level of distate the voting public would surely show for dirty campaign tactics. Obama's going to have to do better than saying he's "disappointed" in the McCain camp's antics this past week.
July 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
If there were emoticons on this site, I would post one laying on it's back, unconscious.
My own eyes are crossed.
Are you seriously going to do this through another freaking campaign, Jersey?
I've heard it - I could fucking recite it for you.
July 25, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jersey Tomato may be a little bleak, but the points are relavent. The GOP is not going to let this election go easily, despite McCain being a lousy candidate. Won't do any good to complain about having a better candidate and favorable polls after the election get stolen by GOP tricksters, yet again.
I saw a post today about the need for attorneys for post-election voter fraud cases - forget that - we should make sure every Dem voter is registered well in advance, has the appropriate ID, knows their polling place and how to use the voting machines.
July 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but Rove and the gang; have'nt met a candidate with an intellect, till now. They are exposing themselves (degenerate pols)for what they are.
July 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
at this point, it looks like the McCain camp doesn't care if their criticism is founded or not.
If Obama had met with the soldiers, i'm sure McCain would have hit him for "exploiting" or "hiding behind" our men and women in uniform for political gain...
July 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the jerks at ABCNEWS.COM ran a top line story all afternoon and evening accusing Obama of "nixing" the troops. So much for "Love."
July 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
There never was "Love," there was scrutiny. McCain can thank his lucky stars he hasn't received any.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
July 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure the DOD rule is wrong. I do think they should have been up front earlier. Senators visit troops in hospital all the time. With a little advance warning the Obama campaign could have brought senate staffers over to coordinate the visit.
A really serious journalist would investigate if the DOD's regulation has been as closely enforced against McCain, Lieberman or one of the other thugs.
July 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
SFC, I suppose Obama could have just walked out of his hotel, hailed a cab and then walked into the base.
July 25, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, whatever... Obama started this week with nothing but glowing reviews, and it was clear McCain was playing catch up. Now we're hearing about his arrogance, about how he's out of touch with the American people, and how he's ignoring the troops, and I haven't heard a sufficient comeback form the Obama campaign. I know it's early, I know a lot can happen, but I haven't seen that Obama has the stomach for the sort of fight the Republicans are going to wage. I'll happily say I'm wrong if Obama is sworn in next January. But yes, I am going to worry through the whole campaign. Ignore me at your pleasure.
July 25, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, the RNC still has an article on their blog attacking Obaama on this, saying he'd rather be working out that meeting with troops.
Maybe they should remove it. But, ya know, why would facts get in the way of a good attack?
http://www.gop.com/Blog/Read.aspx?GUID=67473d13-67b4-4f44-b5bd-fb9a04236a5e
July 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I said nothing about a "ruling" or about Obama being overtly forbidden from actually visiting Landstuhl. However, from the article:
[blockquote]...the Obama campaign received official permission two weeks ago from the Pentagon to land a plane in Ramstein, Germany. But on Wednesday, he said, military officials advised the campaign of concerns about a political visit being a violation of government rules.[/blockquote]
This sure sounds like someone is referring to "rules". So, basically plans were made and confirmed through the Pentagon by the Obama campaign to visit US soldier serving overseas, and then after the first portion of the visit went so well, "concerns" were brought forward. This was also after visiting troops in Iraq and Jordan.
Very curious, to say the least. But I'm sure not political in the least.
July 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meh...this should have been posted upthread. Ignore it please.
July 25, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's swiftboating all over again. Except in this case, it's our own Army that's being complicit.
Who needs NPOs to do your dirty work with a seated CINC who is uninterested in regime change in his own country?
July 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
With this line of attack, it is Janus McCain that is using the wounded troops in his political campaign. Shame on Janus McCain for his cynical use of our wounded soldiers in order to lie about Senator Obama's honorable decision not to use those wounded troops as a campaign prop.
Janus McCain hates the wounded vets, and that is why he voted against the new GI benefits bill.
July 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well maybe the Pentagon thought Hagel and Reed would be with Obama. The ME portion of the trip was official visits as Senators, however Hagel and Reed flew home when Obama headed to Europe as that isn't official business anymore, but campaign related.
So the Pentagon could have assumed that Obama would have went to Landstuhl on the official leg, along with Hagel and Reed.
July 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm really really sorry, Jonze. But, twice in one day... "Would have went???"
July 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What am I missing/Where am I mistaken? Something factual or grammatical?
July 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The correct phrase should be "would have gone."
July 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't suppose any of you sycophants will entertain the notion that Obama might have decided on his own that visiting wounded soldiers wasn't appropriate as a campaign event? Absent any rulings or chicanery, Obama would have been perfectly happy to exploit the visit for his campaign. But instead let's focus on how everyone's trying to undermine him and conspire against him. Because we know Obama's motives are always pure.
July 25, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Other than you, I see no one here who has asserted that Obama's motives are always pure.
The tone and tenor of your posts make YOU sound like a disgruntled PUMA Hillary supporter, or worse yet, a Grampy McSame troll.
July 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So where does McCain stand on legislation supported by major veterans organizations?
On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.
In September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.
On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 — to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes — he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.
In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.
In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.
In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.
Before the Senate voted on Webb's GI legislation, McCain offered what he called a compromise bill, but it was rejected. Webb pointed out that there really was