Obama's Berlin Speech Promises Global Transformation, Internationalist War On Terror
Barack Obama's Berlin speech has just concluded, and to whatever degree it was intended for a domestic audience, as well as an international one, it seemed designed to achieve a number of key goals.
First, he strongly conveyed the idea that liberal internationalism is not only compatible with an aggressive war on terror, it's an enormous boon to it. Indeed, the discussion of terror was more extensive than you might have expected.
This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.This is the moment when we must renew our resolve to rout the terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan, and the traffickers who sell drugs on your streets. No one welcomes war. I recognize the enormous difficulties in Afghanistan. But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success. For the people of Afghanistan, and for our shared security, the work must be done. America cannot do this alone.
That last line carries a hint of a plea, and it's as clear a signal as you could want that Obama represents a complete break with the Bush administration's swaggering unilateralism.
Obama also tried to persuade us that we're on the cusp of a global moment as historic and momentous as the end of World War II and the fall of the Berlin Wall -- shoring up Obama's message that only the candidate who truly grasps the nature of our changing world is the one with real commander-in-chief readiness.
Sixty years after the airlift, we are called upon again. History has led us to a new crossroad, with new promise and new peril. When you, the German people, tore down that wall -- a wall that divided East and West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope - walls came tumbling down around the world. From Kiev to Cape Town, prison camps were closed, and the doors of democracy were opened. Markets opened too, and the spread of information and technology reduced barriers to opportunity and prosperity. While the 20th century taught us that we share a common destiny, the 21st has revealed a world more intertwined than at any time in human history.
Obama then sketched out a general picture of this moment's defining challenges and the changes required to meet them:
This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons...This is the moment when every nation in Europe must have the chance to choose its own tomorrow free from the shadows of yesterday....This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably...This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East...this is the moment when the world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close...this is the moment when we must come together to save this planet...And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world...
Now the world will watch and remember what we do here -- what we do with this moment.
The speech also endeavored to reconcile patriotism with self-criticism of America, which some Republicans are already trying to locate in his anti-war candidacy and indeed in this very trip abroad:
I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived -- at great cost and great sacrifice -- to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom -- indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us -- what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores -- is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please.
"I know my country has not perfected itself." The line, again, has a hint of a plea; he's asking Europe to forgive America the sins of the Bush years, while insisting that there's nothing incompatible whatsoever between patriotic love of America and caring what the rest of the world thinks of us.
And really, this brings us right back to his candidacy. In a sense, the message of his very presence in Berlin is this: If slavery is the ultimate national sin, then the fact that he's running for president, and very well may win, and is promising the rest of the world a better America if he does win -- well, then all of this would achieve some sort of movement in the direction of that perfection that stubbornly continues to elude us.















Wouldn't it be nice if "leader of the free world" wasn't a meaningless and empty cliche?
Come January. . . .
July 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great analysis. Especially considering the amount of time you had to write it.
July 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank you, appreciate that
July 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice work, Greg - but I do have a bone to pick with your headline. We've become accustomed to the reflexive use of "war on terror" because of the incessant hammering away at that phrase by the Bush/Cheney gang. Obama seems to be making a conscious effort to move away from this construction and the mindset it reinforces. Please note that he did not call for a "war on terror" but rather for dismantling of terrorist networks and solidarity with Muslims who reject terror.
July 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on! Time to change the vocabulary from the Bush-Cheney bumper sticker lexicon (and that's a generous term in itself) to terms that reflect what is really going on.
July 24, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought my heart was broken in 2004. If Obama loses this one, I'm not sure what's going to happen to us. The rest of the world will basically give up on us.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
July 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on that one.
It really is a battle of hope and progress vs. racism and fear.
July 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word. If McCain wins, Russia and China will have free pass to do what they want. And the U.S. will be in a worst situation than never before...
Americans, on November, don't screw it up. Please.
July 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That Fox News poll up top doesn't encourage me. Neither did those Q'Pac polls.
I know, I know, wait until fall, but I err on the side of shpilkis.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
July 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm, here's a thought about those polls. It has been exactly a week since Obama has been able to say anything about John McCain.
His campaign has been about the world, not John McCain. That will change, as soon as he gets back into the states. And my guess, the poll numbers will change, too.
And he wasn't up by much in the previous Fox poll.
July 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes BUT McSame had a bad week. Americans (alas) aren't paying attention to this stuff yet. And when they do I am not so confident that they won't show abject stupidity again!
I'm praying for the good result!
July 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worry not. Any poll coming out now was completed on Monday of this week, meaning that it reflects data largely drawn from one week ago. Next week's polls will look better, as entirely apart from Obama's trip abroad, which is a total score, McCain has been dissembling here in the USA. I mean, as good as Obama looks, McCain looks worse in relative terms. But on the broader point, there is no chance that Obama will lose. This is McCain's high water mark. If you think Obama's 2004 convention speech was inspiring, I am guessing that 2008's is going to burn down the house. Then a tired GOP is going to snark for 4 days. Then grumpy old Grandpa McCain will face off against the smartest, most erudite and inspiring political figure in the last 50 years (or more) 3 or 4 times, and then we vote. I think the spread will be larger than 10% on election day, maybe more. Complete repudiation of the GOP status quo at all levels of government. And don't forget, polls are tilted against Democrats (and especially Obama-Dems) because so many of us (not me, but my kids, who are 23 and 19, for example) use only cell phones and can't be polled.
Sleep easy, brother. This long national nightmare will soon be over.
July 25, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Racism and fear? So if Obama doesn't win we are a nation of racists and if he wins we are free of racism? I don't follow you here.
Either way it's a dangerous comment.
July 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who said anything about being free of racism if he won? That is all in your mind, not mine.
It is basically my simplistic breakdown of the election. Based on the conditions in the country (incredibly unpopular incumbent party, floundering economy, 80% of people think the nation is on the wrong track, McCain is a bad candidate) this is an referendum on Obama and nothing else.
He is a capable candidate. In fact he is much more than that. He is an amazing candidate. The only thing that can stop his successful election is racism and fear. Period.
July 24, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the best analysis of the election I have read. We can only hope that enough states are far enough from racism to make the right choice in November. I give us about a 50-50 chance. I don't doubt that Obama will get the majority of the vote, but I still doubt that he will get a majority of the electoral college. Damn stupid method for electing a president.
July 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looking at www.electoral-vote com I'd say Obama is doing quite well. The national polls are not worth much. It's the electoral count that matters.
July 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buck up! I have a very strong "feeling" that Obama has this one in da bag (and my feelings usually turn out to be right)
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July 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel the same way. What must happen is a crackdown on election tampering. There has been a growing success starting with 2000 to disqualify voters in democratic leaning areas and also some questionable voting machine results. The neocons are refining these tactics and we won't win if we continue to let them get away with it.
Very scary stuff.
http://www.truthout.org/article/election-fraud-and-tyranny-part-1
July 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So I'm heading for the nearest foreign border
Vancouver might be just my kind of town
'Cause they don't need the kind of law and order
That tends to keep a good man underground"
Gram Parsons RIP
July 24, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And really, this brings us right back to his candidacy. In a sense, the message of his very presence in Berlin is this: If slavery is the ultimate national sin, then the fact that he's running for president, and very well may win, and is promising the rest of the world a better America if he does win -- all of this would achieve some sort of movement in the direction of that perfection that stubbornly eludes us.
Greg: Beautiful prose here....you expressed what this election is all about: a dream,a hope and a will for a better future! nicely done, sir!
July 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say, I wholeheartedly agree. Well put, Greg. You are on a roll lately.
July 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto Greg!
July 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could almost hear the crickets in the crowd as he talked about fighting terrorism. Which is a good thing, because last I checked, Germans won't be voting on Nov. 4th.
July 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
um, no. I was not in the crowd...
July 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN's correspondent had an orgasm
Not unlike the Daily Show correspondents reporting from Baghdad
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=177060
July 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have there been any estimates on the crowd size?
July 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard 200K...
July 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP says 200,000
July 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's nuts. I wonder how many people saw it live (worldwide)?
July 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't, I hope the youtube clip goes up soon.
July 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on, Bush gives speaches like this everyday!
I love me some snark!
July 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush has no credibility. That's the difference.
July 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You didn't think I was serious, did you?
Bush couldn't give a speach like this if his trust fund was on the line.
July 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hint of a plea"? I didn't hear that and I didn't read that.
Obama has always stood for having allies and using diplomacy. There is no damned "plea" in that.
Why not phrase this that Obama did not exhibit the hubris all to easy to find in American Republican politicians?
July 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought I was pretty clearly complimentary of that
July 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disagree. There is no "hint of a plea" in that line. The line? "America cannot do this alone." Fact, not even a whiff of a plea.
July 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
disagree that I was complimentary?
July 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could have at least pointed out he needed a stronger close, like "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
July 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Germany and I can tell you the idea of sending more German troops to Afghanistan is very unpopular. I caught a whiff of, maybe not a plea, maybe more of an entreaty, for Germans to contribute more to helping the US clean up the mess it's made, despite the fact that Germany feels neither obliged nor inclined to do more than they already have done.
So I would agree with the basis of the statement that Obama was asking for the Germans to help out more.
July 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Text of McCain's speach at Schmidt's resteraunt:
My friends, surge, surge, surge, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran, surge, that's not change we can beleive in, surge, whoops, Cindy! I surgeded my pants again, bring me another depends, surge, surge, Obama eats babies and hates America, surge, surge, my friends Surge...
You get the idea.
July 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I SURGED MY PANTS"?!?
You get to explain to my co-workers why I just snorted Diet Coke all over my keyboard!!!
July 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry.
If you want to see video of McCain's actual comments on Barack's overseas trip go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAXcR6wRuQ
July 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one.
"Thanks, Oops I Surged My Pants!"
July 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear polls, who will improve America's standing in the world? Please tell me...again.
July 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poles will not improve America's standing in the world. We occupied Germany, not Poland. Don't you remember how the Surge started?
July 24, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly what it should have been all along - that was what was so damned heartbreaking about Bush's "Them or Us" stance after 9-11. We had the goodwill of the entire goddamn planet and Bush had broken it in a million pieces by the 3d day.
Obama's trying to put it back together.
July 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is a good point - I hadn't really thought about it like that. This is really the first surge (for lack of a better word) of public pro-American sentiment that I have seen since 9/11.
July 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're either with us or you're really with us.
July 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If slavery is the ultimate national sin, then the fact that he's running for president, and very well may win, and is promising the rest of the world a better America if he does win -- well, then all of this would achieve some sort of movement in the direction of that perfection that stubbornly continues to elude us.
C'mere Greggy, I have something for you. {{{{{MWAAH!}}}}}
that is beautiful.
July 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. In other words, me too, Greg.;-)
July 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is awesome news-- now we only have to wait 150 years for all of today's problems to be solved!
July 24, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, I feel like I have been listening to the down syndrome kid,Corkey from Life Goes On for 7 years and now Shakespear walked into the room!
July 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
damn tags - the first was the quote from Greg's lovely analysis - it was supposed to be in blockquotes.
for the want of an edit function...
July 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does voting for a black man absolve White America of its orignal sin? Tokenism sure feels good doesn't it?
July 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
it doesn't absolve it. but it represents progress on race relations in a very broad sense, no?
July 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feed the trolls, Greg.
July 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg--that guy above is a troll. He's said racist stuff before in other comments. Don't reply to him.
July 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, who's working to elect this guy?
If you're doing nothing but being a spectator, get to your local Obama campaign office and become a participator. Register voters. Make sure they know where their polling places are. Make sure they know the importance of this election.
July 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops... this wasn't to be part of the comments on the self-hating old black guy from "The Boondocks." Sorry.
July 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a broad sense it does show "some sort of movement in the direction of that perfection that stubbornly continues to elude us." Movement to what end?
If Obama wins in the fall it's going to be because the Black electorate put him in. Not because a minority of White America has repented for its Original Sin by voting for a Black man.
July 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"How can I be racist? Some of my best avatars are black!"
July 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
O you witty person you!
July 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without whitey and brownie and every other color you want to talk about, Obama doesn't win.
Without conservative white women and liberal white men without right-leaning Latinos and left-leaning Asians, Barack Obama does not win.
Without a broad movement of every color under the sun, Obama will not win.
The math is really pretty straight forward.
July 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a heads up on a link you'll need to have handy over the next two to three days - http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/better+the+devil+you+know.html
July 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama becomes president, that means anyone can. If some old white guy becomes president, that's nothing new. Martin Luther King, Jr. persuaded Nichelle Nichols not to quit Star Trek because she was a role model for women and black children. He said, "Once that door is opened by someone, no one else can close it again."
Let's open that door. Let's elect Obama president!
July 24, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are sooo wrong. Should we elect Ace McCaine, America will show that we believe that even idiots have worth. By doing it over and over again. Think of it as affirmative action for the mentally challenged.
Bush has done more for the self esteem of idiots than any psychologist could do in 20 sessions.
July 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on time, comments that Greg's post is not over the top complimentary of everything Obama said today, and therefore, incredulous commenting on "HOW COULD HE!"
July 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I lost my mind for six months in 2001 after the Bush-Cheney coup d'etat. My spirit was broken by the seizing of our government by ruthless selfish men and women. If Obama loses in November, I do not think I will recover. Seriously.
July 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN's Candy Crowley's impression of Obama's speech:
"Well, nothing new said here"
MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell:
"Lofty rhetoric"
C'mon ladies!
July 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Candy Crowley needs to eat another cheesecake.
July 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You missed an opportunity for a John McCain BBQ reference.
July 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's partly bias, lack of historical acknowledgement and partly scared and confused as shit.
They-the MSM- were not prepared for a candidate like Obama, and a second-to-second "newness" wanting looking news channels cannot invest time in looking an event in the greater contest.
July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you expect?
Andrea Mitchell is a right wing hack.
Candy Crowley - I'm sorry, I don't get at all what she's doing on TV. Not at all.
July 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What she's doing is taking up most of the screen. And not saying anything much of value.
July 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I liked the part of the speech where Obama saluted Berlin Airlift pilots for "dropping food, coal, and Candy Crowley for the children."
July 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh the humanity!
July 24, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just "ladies". "Right-wing ladies". Andrea=Mrs. Alan Greenspan. And Crowley worked for either Reagan or Bush Sr., I am pretty sure.
So much for the "liberal media".
July 24, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
By focusing on slavery rather than racist apartheid, you excuse way too many Americans. Racism is the ultimate national sin.
July 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got a good point there. Still, getting him in may be the beginnings of addressing the other? One hopes...
July 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it to much to ask that Obama do his job as Chair of the Subcommittee on European Affairs (including NATO) — He has held no hearings and made no trips to Europe during his tenure as chair because, as he admitted in a primary debate, he’s been too busy running for president.
Now he has time to go over and give his empty suit campaign speach offering no specifics but promises the world. Give me a break. He needs to resign his Chair position immediatly.
July 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smell that Haterism . . . brewed fresh this morning using the Surge.
July 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And thus my hypothesis that we'd be able to judge the weight of this address by how many long-absent old-timers came back out of the woodwork to practice their arts is rendered for all to see.
Welcome back Bill!
July 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh man. I guess we should get ready for an influx of Marginal Player, RaeK, Mitchum22, fogu2...
Wait. fogu2 is already around. How can we miss him if he won't go away?
July 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and crankypants.
July 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell me, exactly how is a Jr. Senator from Illinois is supposed to fix the U.S.-European alliance?
I'll tell you how. By running for President.
July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Immediatly. He should be ashamd.
July 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
By this logic, McCain should resign his chair as well. Matter of fact, as of April this year, McCain became the most absent member of the Senate. As of June 25, McCain has missed 367 votes (61.4%) during the current Congress. In fact, CQ reports today that McCain hasn’t voted in the Senate since April 8. Obama last voted on June 4.
July 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That last line was as of June 25th.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/25/mccain-hasnt-voted-in-the-senate-since-april-8/
July 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, "Dem"BillC: it's interesting that your complaint about Obama is nearly identical what the McCain campaign just said. Weird, huh?
July 24, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Take caution in your tone, commander." By your standard McAbsent should resign from the Senate immediately, for all the votes he's missed.
July 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, who's working to elect this guy?
If you're doing nothing but being a spectator, get to your local Obama campaign office and become a participator. Register voters. Make sure they know where their polling places are. Make sure they know the importance of this election.
July 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well what are you doing besides tossing stones through other peoples' plate glass?
July 24, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Voter registration, phone banking. I just started when the Obama HQ got all the little Kalamazoo groups together and organized a few weeks ago.
This Saturday plan to sit at a local event, get people registered, wave bumperstickers around and make people promise, if they want one, to put it proudly on their car.
Sorry to sound like I was accusing all of being inactive. But I see the loving posts and the ones full of anxiety, and I wonder how many of these posters are doing something? I'm sure many are, but those who aren't should realize that their help is needed.
This is it. The fight to end the Bush era is on.
July 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well don't presume others here aren't doing the same or whatever they can do, love.
July 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bush era is already over. Unfortunately, he doesn't know that yet.
July 24, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Contrary to Greg's headline, note that Obama did not call for a "war on terror" but rather for dismantling of terrorist networks and solidarity with Muslims who reject terror.
July 24, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right - that War On Terror bullshit needs to stop - it's bullshit. You can wage a war on a concept - that actually is how the terrorists win.
If you're scared, they won. If you are scared enough to dignify what terrorists do by making war on it, all you've done is elevate terrorism into a kind of statehood. You make what they do larger than it is. It plays right into the entire mentality that drives terrorism.
But Commander CooCoo Bananas is a fucking moron. And so are the Neocons - morons, every damn one of them.
July 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I've been saying!! How could we let our country down like that but not electing Obama?? Our image needs the kind of radical facelift that only he can provide. I was in Paris last month for a week and I wore my Obama t-shirt every day as I walked the streets; I felt like a goodwill ambassador with all the smiles and unsolicited nods of approval I got.
And any journalist should be praying for an Obama victory for no other reason than just the excitement of it!! How excruciatingly boring would four years of a McCain presidency be?
July 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
To "journalists" like Candy Crowley and Andrea Mitchell, this is all a big game. Their lives will be unaffected by who gets elected.
It's all a game. And the American public pays the price for that attitude.
July 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain said after Obama's speech today that he'd like to go to Germany and give a speech "on a subject of interest to Germans" too. From the look of things, he wouldn't draw quite the same crowd Obama did:
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1251860,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1251312,00.jpg
And then there's this:
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1251717,00.jpg
July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love that Obamafest button!
July 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he looks good in red suspenders, doesn't he?
July 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny how we forget Ace's rousing speeches in:
Great Brittain
Canada
Mexico
Columbia
Iraq
I guess he forgot he just gave speeches in 5 foreign countries in the last 2 months and no one noticed.
July 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice analysis, Greg.
July 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aaaargh -- you can not wage a war on a concept...
July 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pish posh, we've waged wars on poverty and drugs with complete success.
July 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah the War on Drugs really was a great victory - lol
July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, one *can* but not without consequences. The war on poverty brought more poverty and institutionalized it. The war on drugs institutionalized invasive tests etc, and bigger prisons. The war on terror normalized mass hysteria and national paranoia. But the Repubs still think that a flag pin will save us from any upcoming calamity.
July 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice analysis, by the way, Greg. To paraphrase a great American writer, it's amazing how much more insightful and balanced your writing has become since Obama won the nomination. *:o)
July 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
;-)
True.
July 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is all VERY Impressive -- I mean the speech and adulation!
July 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such a different message & vision than the one we had for the last 8 years built on greed, fear and war. Barack's message is on the oneness of Humantiy and our shared and common goals -- that we are all of us in this together. It was based on love and goodwill toward each other. That we are not alone and without hope. That only united can we build a better world. This is such an inspirational and great healer/teacher/leader! Is it not great that we are talking about peace and unity for a change? That speaks a lot in itself. He generated a lot of powerful, healing engery today. We must not loose it.
July 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's way more than I even hoped for.
Damn.
July 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Video up on Der Spiegel
I think it's chopped a little, but there's a good 11 minutes there.
July 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25835684#25835684
July 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
For reference/comparison:
Kennedy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3022166.stm
Reagan
http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/wall.asp
Clinton
http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/ga6-940712.htm
Obama
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaroadblog/gGxyd4
July 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's not going to lose. Even I'm coming back to him. After giving McCain a hard look after the FISA nightmare...omfg.. BO is NOT going to lose.
I'm hoping he can be just 50% of the person giving the speeches.
July 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you imagine if George W. Bush had been 50% of who appears to be? We'd all be living in trailer parks and drinking Federal Government Brand beer for breakfast.
I don't believe Obama will disappoint. I think he's gonna be a great president. And I agree: he's not going to lose.
July 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I may agree with some of the comments referring to Andrea Mitchell and Candy Crowley, I would like to politely request that posters stop referring to looks and/or size when referring to female reporters/correspondents/whatevers......k?
July 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I refuse.
She's the one in front of the camera, her size is an issue, as far as I'm concerned.
I guess I'm size-ist. I'm sorry, but I think I may be when it gets like that.
July 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I wrong or has Candy Crowley dropped about 25-30 pounds lately? Her face looks thinner. Not better--just narrower. :o) So mean. So fuckin' mean.
July 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is an apostle of hate.
Whenever I see her name I think of the Satanist buffoon Aleister Crowley.
That would be a mean way to get under her skin, always asking her, "you related to that guy, that guy, that satanist guy..."
July 24, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK if we call the both of them fatuous?
July 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flatulence would be better...To go along with Ace's latest surrogate, Fartanhour.
July 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you notice how excited andrea become at Obama's news conference in Jordan? Check the video out! I mean the size of those nipples were quite impressive. I guess we now know what greenspan's economic policies were based on a lifting projection of the economy and "prime" rate.
July 24, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am surprised we did not get this report from Andrea Mitchell:
Andrea: Brian, German Tribal leaders we interviewed said they were unaware of the problems with translations of Obama's remarks by Der Spiegel. However, they said if Americans told us in 1945, "How about fifty years, how about a hundred?" we Germans would have said "fine, as long as you send the Green Bay Packers or Elvis."
July 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
fatuous: 1. Vacuously, smugly, and unconsciously foolish.
perfect
July 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good, because the last time I referenced Andrea Mitchell it was in regard to her reference to her charge Obama was giving "fake" interviews, which led to a reply about her need to disclose her marriage to Alan Greenspan, which got me thinking about other concerns Andrea must have with "fake"
things. Don't want to go there. Its PUMA bait.
July 24, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan,"
I hope this is just empty campaign rhetoric and not a statement of belief. The Afghan war has today become a classic war against a foreign occupation. The freedom fighters are mostly Pashtun tribes people, but some of the other Afghan peoples are beginning to take up arms. Calling them names does not change the underlying reality. And ignoring the underlying reality will just lead to another military defeat.
July 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me?
You say nothing of the resurgence of the Taliban. Is that not a fact in Afghanistan?
July 24, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The war today is a classic resistance against a foreign occupation. It was the same kind of war that defeated the Soviets. Of course, the Taliban is energized by this as is Al Qada. However, looking at this as a simple skirmish in the war on terror is not going to work.
We have to address the fears of the Pashtun people. Let them know that we are leaving and warn them to not let Al Qada come back. Otherwise we will just just leave in defeat as did the British and the Soviets.
July 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Taliban are the Pashtun, so the label "Pashtun freedom fighters" includes the Taliban. While they are the largest ethnic group in the country, the Pashtun/Taliban only make up 30-40% of the population, and they are most assuredly not fighting for the freedom of their countrymen.
I was against the 'War on Terror' and invading Afghanistan under those pretences. I would've been more understanding of a war to oust the Taliban from power for their repeated human rights abuses. The country needs another Tarzi or Kamal desperately, but in the meantime, I'm OK with helping to keep the Taliban out of power.
July 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You. Are. An. Idiot.
July 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who can argue with brilliant analysis such as this?
July 24, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
While your feedback was lacking, I will clarify a point:
No, the Pashtun are not a singular bloc that supports the Taliban, and the Taliban does target non-Taliban Pashtun. That said, you can't just reference "Pashtun freedom fighters" without acknowledging the overlap that DOES exist, or the influence of Taliban on non-Taliban extremists and the general destabilization that the Taliban brought to the country and the FATA.
Should we reach out to the non-extremist Pashtun? Sure. But I don't know that we need to warn them about letting Al Queda back in, or deny that the Taliban are still part of the problem.
July 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see hours after the fact that you weren't responding to my post, but uh ... I'll let the clarification stand (and continue my waterfall of replies) 'cause Afghani politics are crazy.
July 24, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately the 'resistance fighters' are also wahabbi imperialists that want to impose their brand of Islam on the rest of Afghanistan and are more than happy to kill anyone who looks at them sideways.
This is the good fight, the one that should have been given full attention but Cheney the fool had other priorities for America. Something to do with telling Arabs to suck on this and getting some oil contracts. So America destroyed a semi secular Arab regime while soft pedaling a fight with ultra islamist fanatics in Afghanistan. And people trust republicans on national security? Not anymore.
July 24, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just like recognizing reality here will serve as troll bait.
And lordy, if Obama had called our opposition in Afghanistan "Pashtun freedom fighters" it would have recaptured none of the FISA flakes and caused McCain to spew spittle all over the cheese aisle.
July 24, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great analysis Greg. Obama has made me proud today
July 24, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Missed great Moments in MSM history:
ABC DRONE #1: How does McCain counteract these great Obama visuals?
MSNBC DRONE #2: Well, Makeupstoomuch, I think
McCain should stand atop a Chevron Rig in the middle of the Gulf, bare his chest in 100 mile an hour hurricance winds and shout tghe name of the Green Bay Packers Offensive line."
CNN DRIBBLEHEAD # 3: Right Trimmed VanDyke, but Bobby Jindal was unable to complete his journey from Vishnu to the Vatican and exorcised himself from the Veep Stakes, so Chris Matthews wouldn't cover it.
DRONE #1: So what's McCain to do?
DRONE #2: Call Obama a traitor while surging down a supermarket cheese aisle?
DRIBBLEHEAD # 3: He could join the search for that toddler's body down in Florida while blaming Obama for the high price of gas.
July 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant speech - brilliant analysis - thank you.
July 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, 200K? What time did the Decembrists play?
July 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I stayed home this morning to watch the speech and thought it was well-delivered (though I didn't hear any German words as I expected).
My favorite moment was not substantive: After Barack early on said "my father grew up herding goats in Kenya," someone in the crowd loudly did that Muslim trilling noise "ulooloolooloo ..." and Barack laughed out loud.
July 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a walking train-wreck. Obama has a long-term strategy. We aren't seeing the full fruits yet, but I am certain that his campaign will reach a powerful crescendo the closer we get to November. All he's doing right not is shoring up his credentials and playing his own game, rather than responding to wave after wave after Republican attack.
After Kerry, we're all too jittery. Have no fear.
July 24, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As was the war on poverty.
July 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. So much to love. First, the "in your grille, beyotch!" self-assuredness of the entire trip. McCain wants to play a game of "I dare ya to go to Iraq?" Fine. We'll go to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Jordan and Israel too...and on the way home, we'll stop off in Berlin to pop the top on the final can in our Whoop-Ass sixpack. Don't worry; we have several cases of it lying around. Then, the fact that he apparently "stuck the landing" everywhere he went. Not only no gaffes, but superlative reviews as well.
As for Crowley and Mitchell, if Candy would just give Andrea half her body weight, they'd both be normal sized healthy women. Apologies to those concerned with "lookism" directed at women. I just couldn't help myself.
Lastly, on the topic of Crowley and Mitchell, they have no idea about how to cover a campaign that's 1)not about Vietnam and 2)where nothing will stick to the Democrat, because he steps up and points out that it's a brown color and it stinks, so obviously it's shit. They have no experience in their entire careers of a Democrat like that. And their imaginations are too stunted to conceive of one. So they continue doing the only thing they know how to do - disparage the Democrat, even when they must know what they are saying is so at odds with the facts they've just reported that most people watching will conclude that they are vapid morons. But so what? As they must know better than anyone, they weren't hired because they're smart - they were hired because they are reliable propagandists who have no ethics, integrity, or shame.
July 24, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Irrational Exuberance, and too many on this thread crowing going on this early in prediction an Obama win. I can sympathize that its fun to be confident, hope, and dream. That's all fantastic. But it's absolutely absurd to get giddy about an Obama sure thing.
Keep in mind, the economy is the most prevalent thing on people's minds right now ... which favors Obama. But any follower of politics is familiar with how fickle the winds can be.
First, the same infrastructure that allowed the GOP to disenfranchise democratic voters in 2004 that the W's 'architect' put into play to establish a 'permanent republican majority' are not only still in their appointed positions, but have in fact been bolstered by weeding out those that placed ethics over loyalty by valuing means over ends, replaced by operatives that have their complete confidence.
And just imagine an October surprise of Bin Laden releasing a video praising Americans for choosing a son of Islam to lead and teach them the proper way of doing things how quickly the public will cower into a 2004 redux and provide a landslide to McCain. It worked so well in 2004, what reason would he have NOT to pull the stunt again with the American public proven to be so easily deceived time and again.
The dead certainty of the first scenario combined with the near certain October surprise lurking how can ANY rationally minded democratic constituent be so cocky as to be predicting victory in July?
Gratuitous.
July 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's predict a loss instead. In fact, let's not even bother voting!
Enthusiasm is all that keeps us from sliding down the slope of despair. Let people get fired up -- our excitement now is going to have to last us through that much-anticipated October surprise.
July 24, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Put me down as a contrary thinker but as an Obama supporter I DO NOT WANT to see his poll numbers get too far ahead at this point in the game. One of the worst things that can happen in politics is peaking too soon. For Obama to pull too far ahead in the polls may breed overconfidence, sloppiness, laziness in the campaign, slowdown in contributions, cockiness in the candidate (some of that showing already), but worst of all, will mobilize the Republicans.
No, it is best for Obama to be marginally ahead, maybe even trailing for the next few months, and like a champion racer, pull ahead rounding the last lap and to finish two lengths ahead.
July 24, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not being a beauty myself, I proably have no right to this, but: Crowley's combination of ugly face, ugly soul, ugly mind and ugly voice, has always revolted me. I think the soul is the most revolting part.
July 24, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
She manages to frown with her whole being. Sour, bitter woman.
July 24, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remain very concerned by Obama's overt acceptance of the Bush/Cheney line on Iran (and to a lesser extent Venezuela and others). I think he out-does BushCo when it comes to supporting the right-wing Israeli extremists. There are other right-wing talking points scattered through Obama's [admittedly well-crafted] speech. I'd like to vote for him--he has so much to recommend him--but after hearing him spout the standard far right wing propaganda about Iran and its purported nuclear weapons program yet again yesterday, I peeled the Obama '08 bumper sticker off my car. Sure, my vote doesn't count because I am in California, but they keep asking for my money. Sorry, Cheney Light doesn't do it for me. Love my money, love me. The Peace and Freedom Party will appreciate my vote.
July 25, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's speech is similar to taking a choice cut of meat(beef, pork, chicken, you name it) putting inside a crock-pot will all the necessary ingredients, then letting it slowly cook. Eventually the flavor of his intent will come out and everyone will be demanding their slice.
July 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
suntzu,
I can see yor point.
If the Old Geezer keeps losing ground and keeps batting zero everytime he steps up to the microphone, by the time the repug convention is held, they may decide to put someone else up as their nominee and delegates be damned.
This is definitely becoming a two horse race. One horse feeling his oats and the other keeps looking for his stall. But if the stud fails, then the old horse can leisurely stroll across the finish line.
July 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink