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Obama Speaks To NAACP; Reiterates Call For Parental Responsibility

There's something of a history-making event set for tonight: The first African American Democratic Presidential nominee is set to address the NAACP at 8 P.M., at the group's 99th annual convention.

According to the prepared remarks, Obama reaches for a properly humble tone, linking the Civil Rights movement both to the success of his own candidacy and to his own biography:

It is because of them; and all those whose names never made it into the history books -- those men and women, young and old, black, brown and white, clear-eyed and straight-backed, who refused to settle for the world as it is; who had the courage to remake the world as it should be -- that I stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America.

And if I have the privilege of serving as your next President, I will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of Americans stood up for me -- by fighting to ensure that every single one of us has the chance to make it if we try.

The idea that earlier generations "stood up for me" is a nifty Obama-esque (Obamanian?) rhetorical flourish. Obama also notes that the Civil Rights movement inspired him to go into community organizing in Chicago when he could have made more money in other fields.

But Obama also uses the occasion to reiterate his refusal to back away from his earlier demand that fathers exercise more responsibility in their children's lives, comments which provoked the Jesse Jackson outburst:

Now, I know some say I've been too tough on folks about this responsibility stuff. But I'm not going to stop talking about it. Because I believe that in the end, it doesn't matter how much money we invest in our communities, or how many 10-point plans we propose, or how many government programs we launch - none of it will make any difference if we don't seize more responsibility in our own lives.

Full text after the jump.

It is always humbling to speak before the NAACP. It is a powerful reminder of the debt we all owe to those who marched for us and fought for us and stood up on our behalf; of the sacrifices that were made for us by those we never knew; and of the giants whose shoulders I stand on here today.

They are the men and women we read about in history books and hear about in church; whose lives we honor with schools, and boulevards, and federal holidays that bear their names. But what I want to remind you tonight -- on Youth Night -- is that these giants, these icons of America's past, were not much older than many of you when they took up freedom's cause and made their mark on history.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was but a 26-year old pastor when he led a bus boycott in Montgomery that mobilized a movement. John Lewis was but a 25-year old activist when he faced down Billy clubs on the bridge in Selma and helped arouse the conscience of our nation. Diane Nash was even younger when she helped found SNCC and led Freedom Rides down south. And your chairman Julian Bond was but a 25-year old state legislator when he put his own shoulder to the wheel of history.

It is because of them; and all those whose names never made it into the history books - those men and women, young and old, black, brown and white, clear-eyed and straight-backed, who refused to settle for the world as it is; who had the courage to remake the world as it should be - that I stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America.

And if I have the privilege of serving as your next President, I will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of Americans stood up for me - by fighting to ensure that every single one of us has the chance to make it if we try. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. It means fighting to eliminate discrimination from every corner of our country. It means changing hearts, and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law.

But social justice is not enough. As Dr. King once said, "the inseparable twin of racial justice is economic justice." That's why Dr. King went to Memphis in his final days to stand with striking sanitation workers. That's why the march that Roy Wilkins helped lead forty five years ago this summer wasn't just named the March on Washington, and it wasn't just named the March on Washington for Freedom; it was named the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

What Dr. King and Roy Wilkins understood is that it matters little if you have the right to sit at the front of the bus if you can't afford the bus fare; it matters little if you have the right to sit at the lunch counter if you can't afford the lunch. What they understood is that so long as Americans are denied the decent wages, and good benefits, and fair treatment they deserve, the dream for which so many gave so much will remain out of reach; that to live up to our founding promise of equality for all, we have to make sure that opportunity is open to all Americans.

That is what I've been fighting to do throughout my over 20 years in public service. That's why I've fought in the Senate to end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas and give those tax breaks to companies that create good jobs here in America. That's why I brought Democrats and Republicans together in Illinois to put $100 million in tax cuts into the pockets of hardworking families, to expand health care to 150,000 children and parents, and to end the outrage of black women making just 62 cents for every dollar that many of their male coworkers make.

And that's why I moved to Chicago after college. As some of you know, I turned down more lucrative jobs because I was inspired by the Civil Rights Movement and I wanted to do my part in the ongoing battle for opportunity in this country. So I went to work for a group of churches to help turn around neighborhoods that were devastated when the local steel plants closed. And I reached out to community leaders - black, brown, and white - and together, we gave job training to the jobless, set up afterschool programs to help keep kids off the streets, and block by block, we helped turn those neighborhoods around.

So I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where social justice is being served and economic justice is being served; an America where we all have an equal chance to make it if we try. That's the America I believe in. That's the America you've been fighting for over the past 99 years. And that's the America we have to keep marching towards today.

Our work is not over.

When so many of our nation's schools are failing, especially those in our poorest rural and urban communities, denying millions of young Americans the chance to fulfill their potential and live out their dreams, we have more work to do.

When CEOs are making more in ten minutes than the average worker earns in a year, and millions of families lose their homes due to unscrupulous lending, checked neither by a sense of corporate ethics or a vigilant government; when the dream of entering the middle class and staying there is fading for young people in our community, we have more work to do.

When any human being is denied a life of dignity and respect, no matter whether they live in Anacostia or Appalachia or a village in Africa; when people are trapped in extreme poverty we know how to curb or suffering from diseases we know how to prevent; when they're going without the medicines that they so desperately need - we have more work to do.

That's what this election is all about. It's about the responsibilities we all share for the future we hold in common. It's about each and every one of us doing our part to build that more perfect union.

It's about the responsibilities that corporate America has - responsibilities that start with ending a culture on Wall Street that says what's good for me is good enough; that puts their bottom line ahead of what's right for America. Because what we've learned in such a dramatic way in recent months is that pain in our economy trickles up; that Wall Street can't thrive so long as Main Street is struggling; and that America is better off when the well-being of American business and the American people are aligned. Our CEOs have to recognize that they have a responsibility not just to grow their profit margins, but to be fair to their workers, and honest to their shareholders and to help strengthen our economy as a whole. That's how we'll ensure that economic justice is being served. And that's what this election is about.

It's about the responsibilities that Washington has - responsibilities that start with restoring fairness to our economy by making sure that the playing field isn't tilted to benefit the special interests at the expense of ordinary Americans; and that we're rewarding not just wealth, but the work and workers who create it. That's why I'll offer a middle class tax cut so we can lift up hardworking families, and give relief to struggling homeowners so we can end our housing crisis, and provide training to young people to work the green jobs of the future, and invest in our infrastructure so we can create millions of new jobs.

And that's why I'll end the outrage of one in five African Americans going without the health care they deserve. We'll guarantee health care for anyone who needs it, make it affordable for anyone who wants it, and ensure that the quality of your health care does not depend on the color of your skin. And we're not going to do it 20 years from now or 10 years from now, we're going to do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States of America.

And here's what else we'll do - we'll make sure that every child in this country gets a world-class education from the day they're born until the day they graduate from college. Now, I understand that Senator McCain is going to be coming here in a couple of days and talking about education, and I'm glad to hear it. But the fact is, what he's offering amounts to little more than the same tired rhetoric about vouchers. Well, I believe we need to move beyond the same debate we've been having for the past 30 years when we haven't gotten anything done. We need to fix and improve our public schools, not throw our hands up and walk away from them. We need to uphold the ideal of public education, but we also need reform.

That's why I've introduced a comprehensive strategy to recruit an army of new qualified teachers to our communities - and to pay them more and give them more support. And we'll invest in early childhood education programs so that our kids don't begin the race of life behind the starting line and offer a $4,000 tax credit to make college affordable for anyone who wants to go. Because as the NAACP knows better than anyone, the fight for social justice and economic justice begins in the classroom.

But it doesn't end there. We have to fight for all those young men standing on street corners with little hope for the future besides ending up in jail. We have to break the cycle of poverty and violence that's gripping too many neighborhoods in this country.

That's why I'll expand the Earned Income Tax Credit - because it's one of the most successful anti-poverty measures we have. That's why I'll end the Bush policy of taking cops off the streets at the moment they're needed most - because we need to give local law enforcement the support they need. That's why we'll provide job training for ex-offenders - because we need to make sure they don't return to a life of crime. And that's why I'll build on the success of the Harlem Children's Zone in New York and launch an all-hands-on-deck effort to end poverty in this country - because that's how we'll put the dream that Dr. King and Roy Wilkins fought for within reach for the next generation of children.

And if people tell you that we cannot afford to invest in education or health care or fighting poverty, you just remind them that we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq. And if we can spend that much money in Iraq, we can spend some of that money right here in Cincinnati, Ohio and in big cities and small towns in every corner of this country.

So yes, we have to demand more responsibility from Washington. And yes we have to demand more responsibility from Wall Street. But we also have to demand more from ourselves. Now, I know some say I've been too tough on folks about this responsibility stuff. But I'm not going to stop talking about it. Because I believe that in the end, it doesn't matter how much money we invest in our communities, or how many 10-point plans we propose, or how many government programs we launch - none of it will make any difference if we don't seize more responsibility in our own lives.

That's how we'll truly honor those who came before us. Because I know that Thurgood Marshall did not argue Brown versus Board of Education so that some of us could stop doing our jobs as parents. And I know that nine little children did not walk through a schoolhouse door in Little Rock so that we could stand by and let our children drop out of school and turn to gangs for the support they are not getting elsewhere. That's not the freedom they fought so hard to achieve. That's not the America they gave so much to build. That's not the dream they had for our children.

That's why if we're serious about reclaiming that dream, we have to do more in our own lives, our own families, and our own communities. That starts with providing the guidance our children need, turning off the TV, and putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences, helping our children with their homework, and setting a good example. It starts with teaching our daughters to never allow images on television to tell them what they are worth; and teaching our sons to treat women with respect, and to realize that responsibility does not end at conception; that what makes them men is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one. It starts by being good neighbors and good citizens who are willing to volunteer in our communities - and to help our synagogues and churches and community centers feed the hungry and care for the elderly. We all have to do our part to lift up this country.

That's where change begins. And that, after all, is the true genius of America - not that America is, but that America will be; not that we are perfect, but that we can make ourselves more perfect; that brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand, people who love this country can change it. And that's our most enduring responsibility - the responsibility to future generations. We have to change this country for them. We have to leave them a planet that's cleaner, a nation that's safer, and a world that's more equal and more just.

So I'm grateful to you for all you've done for this campaign, but we've got work to do and we cannot rest. And I know that if you put your shoulders to the wheel of history and take up the cause of perfecting our union just as earlier generations of Americans did before you; if you take up the fight for opportunity and equality and prosperity for all; if you march with me and fight with me, and get your friends registered to vote, and if you stand with me this fall - then not only will we help close the responsibility deficit in this country, and not only will we help achieve social justice and economic justice for all, but I will come back here next year on the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, and I will stand before you as the President of the United States of America. And at that moment, you and I will truly know that a new day has come in this country we love. Thank you.


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What I find so odd, when talking to some black folks who were uneasy at Barack Obama's Fathers Day speech - is that more times than not, these were the same people who praised Bill Cosby's call for responsibility in the black community.(A speech that I found somewhat condescending..)

Well, what I have not quite understood is why the likes of Jesse Jackson think that the social justice message and the personal responsibility are mutually exclusive. Obama makes the connection between the two elements crystal clear here, and in his previous pronouncements.

I think the unease comes from the fact that Obama is half-white.

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I think the problem is that he's running for president, and thus his message isn't really directed toward African Americans, who are going to vote for him no matter what. He's essentially making these arguments to appeal to white voters.

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I posted my "pander" message below at the same time as you posted this.

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Obama didn't have a father, and he turned out OK. My own father was no prize, and I'm probably better off because my mom divorced him.

While there is no doubt that having a caring father figure in a Child's life will be beneficial, I think it's a bit silly to gloss over the fact that some men are just not cut out to be fathers.

But Obama did have father figures in his life for most of the time growing up: his grandfather and for awhile, his stepfather, Lolo Soetero.

I am very cynical about this. Although, I completely agree with the message.

Does anyone else think he has hit this issue a few times in order to "pander" (for lack of a better word) to whites?

Upon further reflection it seems to me that it is both a pander to whites and an affirmation of his status to blacks.

If his status with blacks was not as strong as it is, how could he ever get away with saying it?

This is the real reason Jesse Jackson was upset by Obama's comments. It's a turf war.

I don't see this as pandering at all.

In fact, I think it meshes quite nicely for his call for increased civic participation. They address the same values of participatory service vs. passivity.

The highlighted passage isn't just to fathers. Mothers, daughters and sons are included...

If Jesse was there I hope he had to pass through a metal detector.

Yes; How dare Senator Obama talk about Fathers living up to their Fatherly Responsibilities, on of all days; Father's Day!. Shocking. Doesn't he realize that he should be talking about getting new socks, or a tie, or a World's Greatest Dad mug.

I bet the vendors of all those sorts of Father's Day items, have donated to Obama, so that he would persuade more Dads to raise their children, so that their sales would mushroom. Yet that must be it.

As for the claim that some men are not cut out to be fathers. Well doesn't the fact that they just sire some children, and then disappear, make that insight self evident. Like the Senator said: Any fool..........

Obama needs to go to a Baptist church in West Virginia and give a "Stop going to Wal-Mart, that's why you lost your job you dumb white trash pieces of shit" speech.

I like you.

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The problem is this country fetishizes work. We think people should work even when there isn't really any reason to do it, and that if they don't work they're less of a person.

Why is it bad to manufacture cheap crap in China rather then the U.S? Why should people aspire to manufacture cheap crap in the first place?

The problem is, we have no social safety net, so people who lose their jobs now go hungry, while millionaire CEOs get richer on the margin reduction. What we should do is just let people who lose their jobs retire early, while those CEOs pay higher taxes on their profits.

Obama isn't pandering - or if he has, he has been doing it for a really really long time. I am from IL and while he keeps repackaging it, I have heard these things from Obama for years.

I am white so maybe I am missing the pander but I like this speech a lot. He is lecturing a little but he does that to everyone. This country has serious issues and the gov't and Bush aren't the only ones to blame. This is totally consistent with Obama's message - if you don't like the way things are going...then do something to change it, don't just sit on your ass and wait for it to change on its own.

This is entirely consistent with his message from the past. However, I feel the pander is from the frequency.

Since you are white and you like the speech a lot I would conclude that the pander is successful.

To reiterate, I agree with the message. I just, cynically, think his purpose is to align himself with whites.

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I don't know about that. I am not as cynical I guess. I think he truly believes what he is saying and the purpose is not solely to align himself with non-african-american voters. I think that may be a plus, but I don't think that that is his primary intent.

Oh I do not doubt for a second that he completely believes what he is saying. I believe that he is entirely correct in his opinion on the topic.

And to say that this is solely to align himself with whites or whomever, is not correct. But I do believe that the secondary benefit of wooing whites has led to an added emphasis on the topic.

I very much agree with you. Obama's message is primarily for the benefit of White voters. It's a dog whistle for sure.

Most Black fathers who aren't taking care of their responsibilities sure as hell aren't going to be at the NAACP convention.

Furthermore, he only has this message for Black people, as if abandonment by fathers is only an issue for Black people.

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My 19 year old daughter just had a blond blue eyed baby. The 21 year old dad is no where to be found. Obama wasn't just speaking to blacks, he was speaking to a generation of young men of all colors who are dodging their parental responsibilities.

I simply don't get how Obama was pandering. I guess you have to assume that blacks are the only ones who have a problem turning angry boys into real men.

You say that he is speaking this message to generation of young men. However, Obama only brings up the topic of fathers being more involved in a child's life in front of blacks. This is a coincidence?

It has nothing to do with the reality of whether or not blacks are the only ones who have a problem "turning angry boys into real men". Whether they are the only ones or not, it is a perceived problem within black community FROM the perspective of the white community. Thus addressing this issue immediately scores points with whites.


He brings it up in front of black audiences because while it applies to all races, statistically it is a particular problem in black communities.
Illegal immigration is something that people bring up with Hispanics, despite the fact that it applies to other nationalities as well. I personally know people from India, China and Canada that are here illegally.

One could also argue that statistically speaking, more black men are convicted of crimes in America than white men. Does this then give Obama justification to tell the black community to "stop committing crimes"? Of course not. Because it does not address the significant underlying issues that cause the problem. It would be a superficial answer to a complex sociological problem.

Do you see the parallels to the current situation? Complex problem, superficial answer.

I still disagree. While I don't deny that Obama understands the benefit of this speech on a white audience, I think he does it because he has the platform and the stature now. If it plays well with whites so much the better. I would consider it pandering if I didn't think he really believed what he was saying. Obama is practical - why not motivate his black audience and at the same time reassure white voters. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I bake brownies because I like to cook. If what I choose to make is my husbands favorites and I can make him happy too, then that is twice the reason to do it - neither of them bad. I am not pandering to my husband.
Just because it appeals to white voters doesn't make it pander.

First, I would like to apologize for where I said that it was an effective pander because you liked the speech. Re-reading this I realize it is not a fair statement (kinda dickish). I was, for the most part, expressing my own feelings about how I thought the speech was effective on me. Anyhow, I apologize.

Secondly, I completely agree that the concepts you have laid out are not mutually exclusive. However, I believe the purpose in this case is to pander to whites more than it is to act as a role model to blacks. I do not think your disagreement with me is unreasonable, we have just assumed different things about Obama to fill in the blanks.

If I understand your analogy correctly, you think that if it is an effective pander to whites then there is twice the reason to do it? You seem to agree then that there is some incentive here to appease the white community. And also that Obama is either oblivious to this reality (unlikely) or ignores it (possible) in order to deliver a very important message to the black community. Take care of your kids!

He is stealing the (one of the) GOP's major arguments that Obama is a Liberal black,that doesn't appreciate the value of "Hard Working Americans".
He is negating an argument, that the Clinton Campaign made... that she had the hearts and minds of hard working Americans.
By removing the "responsibility" argument from the "Hard Working Americans" sphere, he frees himself from having to re-address it later.
He is not; from my point of view, pandering to whites. He is putting the black community on notice that, they will hear the, Rushes, and O'reilleys of the US pander to their base about the Lazy Mexicans and others, as we get closer to November.
All in all I say his speech was right on.

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Ok, this is off-topic, but WTF???? This guy was bin laden's freaking driver. What would he possibly know? Nothing and they tortured him? No wonder the arab world hates us. WTF??? Sleep deprivation for two freaking months and what did they get? Nothing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080714/us_nm/guantanamo_hearings_hamdan_dc

Yeah, he sure did a lot of driving in the rocky terrain of Tora Bora.

Somewhat interesting that it's "Family Guy" who is concerned that Obama is pandering in this speech.

I think the speech is very well written. It is directed to participants of the NAACP convention, but that does not make it pandering.

What do I know? I'm white, middle aged and live in rural OK.

Why is that somewhat interesting?

It is unfortunate that any slightly negative opinion or concern can bring about the label of a concern troll. I think if you research my posts you will find that I am an ardent Obama supporter.

CNN to broadcast parts of BO speech LIVE during 8 o'clock hour at NAACP convention.

Could u give play by play, no video?

Let us pause upon reading the last lines of Obama's speech and - again and again - recognize the historic nature of this candidacy and moment.

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Obama's pandering on this issue is interesting and complicated. What he is saying needs to be said. Why he is saying it when he is saying it and for what audience is the intriguing part. While it really is true that the lack of a father in childrens lives is a big issue for African American's, it is no less so for whites. But it makes whites feel good to think it is a black problem. Divorce in white America along with general irresponsibility makes father absence a huge issue across the socioeconomic scale. I find it sad that Obama is using this the way he is in any event. It clearly is being done for exploitive political reasons. If this were coming at a time when he were already elected President and he specifically discussed the problem exists also among whites at an alarming rate I would feel differently. But the timing and the politically expedient nature of the remarks makes me think he is doing this for the worst possible reasons and so I can understand why Jesse Jackson and many others in the AA community are unhappy about it though most won't say anything to upset the political apple cart at this time.

Bingo!

I disagree that this is the reason Jesse Jackson was upset. As I said earlier in the thread, I think it is more due to the fact that he is encroaching upon Jesse's territory in the black community.

Look out though, some people may label you as a concern troll.

I think it's possible that Obama thinks this is both a generally good and politically expedient thing to be doing. The man is going to be THE African-American role model/leader for a generation, so of course, he's going to have something of a responsibility to act the part... but at the same time, we white folks sure like to feel better by ourselves.

As always, complexities, shades of gray, there will always be enemies...

I disagree.

The timing and expediency have far more to do with a ten year old child of color raised without a man of color in the home to guide him. Obama emphasizes this issue because he personally identifies with it and his father was Kenyan, and thus it is that community who represent the father he did not have.

The pandering is a complete crock and totally a false and specious argument meant to undermine his political stature.

Jesse can no more talk about Obama than Bill can talk about Deep Throat. He has no moral high ground and is simply pissed because he himself has a baby momma..THAT's why what Obama says irks Jackson so much...he is guilty.

What is interesting in this election cycle, is the quiet; from the Jacksons, and other so called black leaders (other than Rev Wright). I think they see it for what it is.
They don't need to add noise.
They just need to win one.

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It's interesting that you point that out. I think obama has stolen their thunder and they are marginalized and they don't like it. I think that was part of the underlying current in the jackson comment. Obama is being a leader, not a whiner and the african-american community is rallying around obama's message, with the rest of america. It really is interesting.

I find it fascinating. I've read the entire speech, and the only part you can highlight is one paragraph about Black fatherhood? Nothing about the policy prescriptions, or the historical context, Mr. Sargeant, but that one paragraph. I'm not surprised.

Pandering to Whites would be if Senator Obama was giving bad advice to African American audiences just to please White voters.

Point out what bad advise you see him giving to the African American community. If you can not, then you need to knock off all your claims of pandering. If you agree with the message, then quit trying to kill the messenger.

Senator Obama has witnessed, up close, how much harm is being done by the absence of fathers in the African American communities. He knows that the vast majority of young men have never had a male role model in their lives. He is seizing this chance to play that part for them. It is a good and noble effort. More power to the man.
We whites need to get over ourselves. It is not always about us.

Sorry but pandering does not have to involve bad advice. For example, speaking about solar power in California can be considered pandering, even if the message is the objectively correct one.

I am not even criticizing Obama. I think that it is a politically shrewd move. It does not affect my enthusiasm for Obama one bit. I think he is a brilliant politician and he is on the correct side of the issues.

Um, yeah, this is the FIRST TIME African-Americans have ever heard or ever freakin' THOUGHT ABOUT familial responsibility.

The message is entirely condescending. For 20-odd years, the message of "personal responsibility" has been made to apply to Black people, as if we have sole responsibility for the shit that has occurred over the past 400 years. The idea that Obama is "telling it like it is" to Black people is a fantasy created by White people who would love nothing more than for someone to put us in our places. Obama is simply voicing the "concerns" of White people about unfortunate situations in too many communities, Black, White, Brown, or other.

This message is not new, not controversial, not innovative, and not inspirational, and if you think it is, you are a fool. It's the same finger-wagging that Black people have been subjected to for eons, and it does nothing but absolve Whites of their offenses.

Your statement is illogical. there were far fewer babies born out of wedlock in the 50s, 60s and 70s than there are today.

So the oppresiveness of society created a stronger black family unit than what we find in the black community today.

What has happened is entrenched poverty, and an impoverished value system that is antagonistic to mainstream society values, thus the ghettos perpetuate their own sociopathologic dysfunctional role models based on the incarceration and teenage mom rates. Children and criminals raising the next generation is the scourge of the black community.

Single black females offspring perpetuate 90% of the violent crimes, drug dealing, as well as emotional and physical child abuse. It is a sick cycle.

Obama is not pandering whatsoever and your remarks have no historical basis.

Most black children who grew up in the 50s and 60s grew up in dual parent households, ala Michelle Obama.

Next time try to post facts to support your assertions rather than hotair no substance opinions.

I find it interesting that your post doesn't respond to my assertions in the least, none of your "facts" are cited, and all of them are spurious to my statement that Obama is pandering.

You also imply that the solution to babies born out of wedlock is oppression. Lovely.

The number of babies born out of wedlock is growing in the US for ALL races and socio-economic levels, yet Obama's message was aimed solely at Black people. He would not dare go to a Native American or White Appalachian community to talk about responsibility, even though their communities experience similar struggles because of-- yes, you named it-- POVERTY. Poverty disproportionately affects African-American communities, but it doesn't exclusively affect it. The fact that Obama seems to find it necessarily to address these comments only to African-Americans when he is on a national campaign shows that he is pandering.

No taritac, your logic is flawed again. I did not imply, infer or suggest that oppression was the 'solution' rather what I did was rebut your false assertion :
"For 20-odd years, the message of "personal responsibility" has been made to apply to Black people, as if we have sole responsibility for the shit that has occurred over the past 400"

Where you imply that it was 400 years of oppression that created the circumstances that we see in the black community today...that is false and I rebutted it by pointing out there were none of these 70% out of wedlock rates when racial oppression was significantly higher in the 40s, 50s and 60s...

I also requested you cite some facts to support your assertion and your reply had NONE.

Your impaired logic continues with the assertion that out of wedlock babies are rising in all demographics because it fails to recognize that the rate is THREE times higher than the OVERALL population within the black community.

Your impaired logic goes on to have you make another false presumption that Obama was speaking to solely BLACKS. That is FALSE. The audience may have been black but it APPLIES to ALL MEN who father children and do not RAISE them. Not sure why you didn't get that, but Jesse Jackson who DOES have a babymomma..did get it. He did get that despite him being a married man who calls himself a reverend, he himself was guilty of the very thing Obama was saying needing to stop.

Sooo, folks of all strips, colors and persuasion got the message.

Lastly, Obama would be remiss to attempt to take this message to primarily white audiences when the worse situation is in the black community. That would be like AVOIDING the issue IF he chose to deliver the message to those who have far lower rates of out of wedlock births than the black community.

So, stop getting it twisted. Pay attention and attempt to find some facts that support your aimless and false conclusions before posting them.

If you think it is POVERTY...then why were the out of wedlock births of the black community FAR lower in the 40s,50s and 60s THAN they are today when FAR MORE blacks were below the poverty line than there are in the 80s and 90s...the out of wedlock rate was only 24% in the 60's and over 40% of blacks were below the poverty line, today the out of wedlock rate is over 70% in the black community and the numbers of blacks below the poverty line is only 20%...so the FACTS and REALITIES do not MATCH your assertions. Once again. You just are spouting opinions that have no basis in reality so you can rant about Obama.

Additionally, you failed to back up any of your assertions in the first post I rebutted, instead you tried to spin my words into being about a solution rather than logically grasps they were a direct rebuttal to your false assertions.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The facts do not support your erroneous assertions and false opinions.

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The REAL reason that Jesse had his little hissy fit is that he, Jesse Jackson, is an absentee father who fucked and impregnated a woman 30 years his junior, while he, Jesse, paragon of black rectitude and pride, was married.

What a fucking asshole.

Not only does he have a fuck child (it's not a love child since he does not visit the child or the mother), but he doesn't visit.

Somebody should tell Rev. Hymietown that fucking and impregnating young girls is not cool. Fun, yes, but not cool.

Yep. Jesse has a 'babymomma' and his son disdains what he did to their family and his mother, thus he rebuked his father publically and called him out for the trifling moral leader and 'religious' leader he pretends to be.

Obama-esque (Obamanian?)

I believe the correst term is 'Obaman'.

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Supa I guess what I am trying to say to you is that you, Jesse Jackson and the black guy from Jet Magazine on NPR this afternoon think that America's problem transitioning teenage boys to men is a black only problem. I am telling you it isn't. White people are having the same problem. Tens of thousands of people make a good living trying to pull child support money out of absent dads, the vast majority of whom are not black.

The problems are real and deep and society wide. People like you, Jesse Jackson and that black reporter from Jet Magazine have bought into the racial frame that the missing dad problem is a black problem. I agree young black mothers are often abandoned by young black fathers, but so are a lot of young white women abandoned by young white fathers.

The only intact couple I encountered at the birthing center was a young black man and a young white woman, husband and wife, who were estatic about their new baby. Put that in your racist frame and smoke it.

Yep, I am angry. I am angry that you and Jesse Jackson don't understand what Barack Obama knows to bottom of his soul. Life is just much better when the two parents are working together to raise their child.

Lumped in with Jesse Jackson. That is a first for me.

I do not think I ever disagreed with you on the fact that men abandoning their children is not a black only problem, or a white only problem. It is most definitely a human problem.

Sadly, Obama is not addressing the white community and telling them to be better parents. Is he?

The message is not the problem, its the medium.

Anyone (ahem Family Guy) that suggests that Obama is pandering is being stupid. I was raised to use fairer language, but I'm sorry, it's that simple. You say that it's the "frequency" of his message? You mean that he felt the need to make clear his legitimate beliefs after a week of coverage of Jesse Jackson talking about cutting his nuts off? I mean, I could see if he were constantly bringing it up out of the blue, but come on.. That's ridiculous. And the annoying part about it is the mainstream media is going to pick this meme up from comments like this. I'm not kidding. They love reporting on 'dissension' among the ranks, especially on someone like Obama, it makes the meme more legitimate. You guys are basically, in so many words, reinforcing - manufacturing even - the concept that he is beating up on black people to pander to whites. Watch, you'll see this play out in the next few days.
Is it too difficult to accept that maybe there is a cultural problem among black people specifically and statistically that needs to be acknowledged? Don't you think that this is, in fact, an empowering message? One that every self-respecting black person can appreciate? Obama doesn't blurt this stuff out because he thinks it sounds clever at the time. He says it because he has come to the conclusion, after a lifetime of involvement in the black community, that it is something that ought to be talked about. Something that will help make *progress*. He's not talking about it to 'pander' and to suggest that is idiotic.

Ok you think I am being stupid. Your amazing argument is noted.

You then try to lay the blame for the next week of MSM drivel at my feet. And you think my ideas are far-fetched? 1) No way the MSM even touches this, the racial sensitivities are too strong. 2) You give our influence (at TPM) far too much credit.

Most of the time I just post about things I find funny/ironic whatever. In this case, I have been more verbose than usual. I posed a question to the community because I feel that you are all like minded individuals (aside from the trolls)that can engage in a discussion even if you disagree. I did not expect consensus.

I do not believe the reasoning I have put forth in my argument has been "stupid" or "idiotic". Although your argument of simply writing me off has been extremely impressive. Bravo.


2/3 of black children are born to a single parent. We can talk about individual exceptions and such, or pull in the "whites have out-of-wedlock-babies-too" argument, but that statistic reflects a huge drain on the resources of the black community - or a lack of resources for each child. Instead of the parents pooling money and energy and time, it falls to the extended community - typically grandparents, sometimes friends, and there's a question of who owns the problem.

Now by pointing out the 2/3 figure, that doesn't mean these are all welfare children - far from it. The prosperity of the black community in the 90's was real, and done despite the economic drain this figure reflects.

And I don't think it's quite fair to just blame guys for this situation. For 20 years at least, a husbandless birth was accepted as almost an empowerment for women. And I suppose as a temporary statistic it does show that women can do it alone. But it takes the maturity and compassion of both parents to work things out for the child, and I'd like to say the sense by both to keep an uncared for child from coming into the world - I'd like to say it, but it's not my decision. If the black community wants to continue with the situation like this, it can - that doesn't mean it's cruel or abandoning children. One black friend with 3 kids by 3 different women (never married) was very conscientious in child payments and was a loving father and enjoyed visiting them. He worked a lot, as do many dads in various situations (I just had dinner with a white dad whose wife and he agreed to live in different countries for a few years for financial, work & visa reasons, meaning he rarely saw his kids during this period). But it just may be that women have to show more responsibility in this situation as well - giving up some freedom, being more tolerant of imperfect dads, making sure they're headed into a permanent relationship rather than 2 or 3 year relationships with child, working out the full details of family, not just motherhood.

But if the black community wants this situation to continue, it should accept that this arrangement has costs - that poverty and crime from this family arrangement seems to be higher - though certainly not 100% failure. A single-income family or dual-income split between two rents and two separate expense accounts will have less discretionary income. Blaming government for not "solving" that discrepancy is a non-starter. It's an assumed cost.

I personally like the "it takes a village" approach to the issue, which addresses the other issues besides marriage and strong families, and I think that was what had Jesse Jackson Sr. upset. We're 20 years into the internet revolution, and it should mean more access to information and work in the black community. Our economy has taken a huge shift from manufacturing to service industry, and that shift needs to be reflected in child education, resources, job training and mindset as well. Turn off the TV and read - fine, read what? Music magazines? Gossip? It's such an old-fashioned recipe, let's hear him use "boob tube" already. Popular Mechanics, Business Week, computer books, get a cheap Linux computer to play with, science experiments, chemistry experiments, figure out eBay and Google adClicks and Web portals. Organization, management, teamwork - there are so many social skills required these days for fast moving project management, motivating people, customer care, practical problem solving. Immigrants push their kids into practical programs to have a career. It doesn't matter so much if that career changes - a good skill set is transferable. A vague unformed skill set is not. All of the focus is still on English and math and graduating from high school. The idea that we should give kids the skills and experience to hold down real jobs, create new ones, move to new situations - it's an afterthought. And if you have disposable income, it can be an afterthought. If you're barely making ends meet, it needs to be front and center. And by the way, if the community seriously promotes job skill motivation, it tends to be as interesting and compelling as the non-productive dope smoking and game playing and hanging out that sucks up time. But I'm not sure most parents are really equipped to be this creative - they need help.

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What is the percentage of white babies being born out of wedlock? What is the percentage of white marriages that fail? What percentage of white kids don't have two parents in the home?

You know, Barack Obama has us talking about a giant American problem. That is a good thing.


From 2006:

Black or African American 65%
American Indian 49%
Hispanic or Latino 37%
Non-Hispanic White 23%
Asian and Pacific Islander 16%
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Total 32%

That's children in single parent families

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In 1960 the non-hispanic white percentage was about 2%. The black percentage is down from its high a high in about 1990. The white percentage seems to be trending higher every year while the black percentage is slowly trending down.

Single parent family status is a better predictor of poverty than race or ethnic group.

I don't think the problem is exclusively a "black" problem. The problem is a societal problem.

I read a Brookings report that seems to suggest the problem is related to the contraceptive technology and the empowerment of women since 1960. I think the Brookings author is overly simplistic.

One final thought. There is a 7 percent gap between women and men in the college population. The percentage should be about equal. Where are the young men?

They sure as heck aren't working hard but high paying blue collar jobs. Those jobs have been shipped to Asia.

How are the missing (under employed) young men going to support their babies?

We live in a society that is seriously out of balance. A lot of smug white people think that the problems belong to others. They are wrong.

Ron you ask:
How are the missing (under employed) young men going to support their babies?

Isn't that like asking how are unmarried women going to abort babies?

The answer to both is the same. Don't conceive them.

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Easier said than done.

Desidero, you say:
"For 20 years at least, a husbandless birth was accepted as almost an empowerment for women. And I suppose as a temporary statistic it does show that women can do it alone"

What is the basis for your assertion that it was 'accepted as empowerment' what facts is creating that perspective for you.

Also to the contrary as a temporary statitistic single female heads of household offspring are responsible for the majority of crime in the black community..the drug dealers, gangbangers and murderers and 90% of black males incarcerated come from single female heads of household.

So, not sure where you are drawing your inferences from.

Also, fatherlessness has been shown to be one of these most predictable variables for children not to graduate from high school to have poor peer-peer relationships and to result in higher juvenile delinquency and incarceration rates INDEPENDENT or race.

Point of fact, white boys who come from single parent heads of household are incarcerted at SAME rate as black males!

Fatherlessness, is an AMERICAN issue that is exacerbated in the black community just like unemployment is.

There is an avalanche of data that shows children need to be raised by mothers AND fathers to maximize their potential as human beings.

The problem is that men do not seem to realize how just as important as mothers they are to their child's development. That is the message that they need to understand. A boy without a father is like a navigator without a map.

American males need to step up to the plate and take care of and RAISE their children to demonstrate they are true MEN.

Father does not mean you use women as semen receptacles.

Obama has first hand experience at being fatherless and he should not be getting grief about addressing an issue that he clearly knows the impact of anymoreso than society would critique a person who grew up in poverty for addressing poverty with the impoverished by accusing him of pandering.

What a crock.

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