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Obama, McCain Skirmish Over Gramm's "Nation Of Whiners" Comment

Hoping to force John McCain to own Phil Gramm's assertion that we're in a "mental recession" and are a "nation of whiners," Barack Obama himself has just hit his foe over the remark.

"One of his top economic advisors, former Senator Phil Gramm, said that we're merely in a mental recession," Obama told reporters moments ago. "He didn't say this, but I guess what he meant was it's a fiction of your imagination, these high gas prices."

"A nation of whiners," Obama repeated. "Now this comes after Senator McCain recently admitted that his energy proposals for the gas tax holiday and the drilling, will have mainly psychological benefits."

Here's Obama...

Meanwhile, as promised below, McCain personally distanced himself from the comments.

"I don't agree with Senator Gramm," McCain told reporters. I believe that the person here in Michigan who just lost his job isn't suffering from a mental recession. I believe the mother here in Michigan and around america who is trying to get enough money to educate their children isn't whining...I strongly disagree."

Video of McCain...

Meanwhile, there have been a few other developments in the story. The Huffington Post reports that in an earlier statement, a McCain campaign aide actually stood by Gramm's comments, rather than disavow them. And The Washington Post reports that Gramm is staunchly standing by his remarks.

With Gramm refusing to back down, the question now is whether the coverage of this will be anywhere near as relentless as the days-long media barrage was when Wes Clark impugned -- or, rather, didn't impugn -- McCain's war heroism.


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Excellent!

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News!

For!

McCain?

Always!

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Ah, the recession is all in our heads! That explains the bottle of prozac I received with my Economic Stimulus Package check.

I'm still waiting for my bottle!!
Peace!!

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Does supposed McCain economic adviser not have any contact with EITHER WALL STREET OR MAIN STREET?

It's pretty obvious that this is not all in our heads.

I guess he's stuck in the twilight zone, doomed to watch only Fox News coverage, where there's always nothing to see here, move along, folks. Hey, look, a celebrity did something stupid!

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This is a 21 century version of, "Let them eat cake."

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It's the Doubletalk Express.

There we go...get after him Barack! Don't let this die quickly. Keep pounding McFuddle and his campaign team. the country needs to know just how out of touch he is on these critical issues!

I have had a mental condition for the last 7 years...Bushitus!

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Greg, you missed the best part (besides Obama saying "America already has one Dr. Phil"): Karen Tumulty asked McCain on Gramm's role in his economic policy (which we know is extensive) and whether or not he'd be a candidate for Secretary of Treasury.

McCain responded: "Phil Gramm would be an excellent candidate for Ambassador to Belarus, but not sure the people of Minsk would have him."

OUCH! Perhaps this will make it harder for him to toss Gramm under the bus however:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGWTh_NZ-0

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Great Video!

Good jed report video montage of john McCain saying its mental. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6bkbdAkFg

What? I thought they were bitter? I'm soooo confused.

Excellent! Get 'em on the run.

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Maybe this is why the McCain campaign has been whining so much lately (particularly about Wes Clark).

He thinks the way to win in a nation of whiners is be a campaign of whiners.

I believe they are mistaken on both counts.

This one is not going away. McCain has been talking about this psychological bullshit WAY too much to disavow it now.

If, pace Gramm, the economy is doing so well (shut up, whiners), why does McCaindidate need to propose a plan to fix it?

This goes right alongside the other question that I always want to ask right-wing economists - if (as the Laffer curve crowd always insist) lowering taxes actually raises government revenues, then why do we need to come up with spending cuts to offset tax cuts?

Because those revenues are what we're wagering to find the marble under one of the three shells, or the Queen of Hearts in the deck.

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Will you please stop being logical. It's going to get John McCain angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

Thank you for finally going on attack on this one. Good one. McCain, thanks to MSM suckers, has other vehicles to dissiminate his line of attack, while Obama camp has to do on their own, sometimes Obama being the messenger.

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With Gramm refusing to back down, the question now is whether the coverage of this will be anywhere near as relentless as the days-long media barrage was when Wes Clark impugned -- or, rather, didn't impugn -- McCain's war heroism.

You're such a kidder.

CNN isn't going to cover this, because it's too busy discussing why the Obamas had their kids with them during the interview.

After they talk that non-starter to death, they'll move on to Jon Benet Ramsey.

Yep. They dance with who brung them.

Checkmate.

CNN just ran a piece on the economic messages of the day and said NOT ONE WORD about Gramm. In fact, they had to cut it off before Obama got the the Gramm part of his speech. The next segment? About an "Obama oops" for that stupid Clinton fundraising thing. I'm pulling my hair out.

How can this be happening? Honestly? The only thing I can think it they want Blitzer to "break" it on CNN. Otherwise, how can they just ignore this whole thing?

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Wanna get freshly outraged?

On CNN.com's Politics page, the headline is "McCain and Obama battle for blue-collar voters". The quote is in that piece.

Hilarious!

Imagine the nonstop coverage we'd get had an Obama surrogate said that we're a nation of whiners....

I totally share your frustration. Corporate media is adamant to sink this country. They have done a great job in the last decade, they continue to do so. Anyone who doesnt see MSM as a key cog in the Neocon wheel is a dumbfuck.

It scares thehellautame.

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Well, if you're frustrated, then don't read the Bill Schneider piece that I just referred to. It is a particularly nasty piece of political hackery in which he spends the bulk of the piece going over Obama's "bitter remarks". Seriously.

Then he piles on with polling data indicating that McCain is outpolling Obama in that treasured "blue collar" demographic. He finally (and probably reluctantly) mentions Gramms's comment.

It really is a piece of b.s.

Bill Schneider demonstrates that he's the real McCain

Hiya, Pete.

Bill Schneider needs a new hairpiece. Seriously. He's too cranky. [no offense to my fav curmudgeon]

I was saying long ago that the Democratic nominee would have to defeat not only their Republican opponent but also the establishment media.

I just didn't think they'd take a dive so completely so quickly.

It irks me that McIdiot is not going get any coverage on this one what is wrong with the media!! November where are You?

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I'm not sure how much the MSM will cover this, but luckily it is now on the front page of Google News, so who knows.

For the supposedbly more "experienced" candidate, McCain's camp goes off-message in ways neither Clinton could dream of.

I really like Obama when he get mean on McWorse. It feels good.

when he gets mean, I meant.

I guess mcFuddle will come out for a massive increase in mental health services funding...He is a compassionate kind of candidate you know!

This is another example of conservatives telling what they see as the truth, and then regretting it. They don't see the economy is broken; on the contrary, they have gotten EXACTLY the outcome they were looking for: A massive gulf between the few wealthy and the rest of us; a service-based economy where 'the people' function as minimum-wage slaves, to the enrichment of 'entrepreneurs' and 'investors' (i.e. rich folks); massive levels of economic fear they can exploit to legislate more money into their hands; and yet another excuse for further deregulation, lower taxation, and higher levels of deficit spending. And, what they heck, maybe they can sell a few more jet fighters along the way!

This economy only looks broken to the rest of us. That's what they mean when they say it is in our heads - we just have the wrong perspective...

Pfui.

great post and I believe you are right on with your thoughts here . It is all in our heads! That's McFuddle is so strong on increased mental health funding!

You have a point, when the Republican modus operandi is "never tell the truth if a lie will do," a brief moment of (misguided) candor stands out.

Another thing that strikes me is that presumably, Republicans will keep trying to portray Obama as an elitist, while McCain and his advisers make statements that illustrate just how removed they are from the difficulties faced by working Americans.

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Molly Ivins said that Phil Gramm was one of the meanest people she ever met.
Just what we need. More meanness.

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Wouldn't Molly Ivins be having a field day with the McCain campaign?

Easy for Phil Gramm to say the economy looks fine to him; he got rich from allowing the likes of Enron and the financial markets to screw the little guy, and now he's content to kick us all to the curb. Molly had that guy figured right. He's like one of those execrable characters out of Dickens.

Jesus Christ, McGoo could barely get the words out of his mouth, like he was spitting out prune pits while he was trying to talk. He doesn't believe a word of it. He despises the whiny poor.

What a wicked old crank.

Yes - that's a really great video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGWTh_NZ-0)

... and put together by the Romney campaign, no less! Let's rate that puppy up!

I'm glad to see Obama hitting this theme. The more he hits it, the more likely the chance that it will appear on the TV news. MSNBC just covered the story, but the word "covered" tells it all. They spent lots of time talking about how aggressivley McCain was distancing himself from Gramm (the Belarus comment) and very little talking about what this might reveal about McCain. Perhaps that is for the more Opinion-oriented people to address later on in the evenig.

The Obama camp could really make some progress here by turning the "nation of whiners" comment into a discussion of the elitism inherent in Republican policy. They need to get beyond warring sound-bites.

Gramm's comment is on the same level as "Let them eat cake" in its disparaging attitude towards others' economic struggles and insecurity. Obama needs to remind people that this is a long established Republican perspective, that these are the kinds of people McCain will keep in the White House for another 4 years.

Pointing up the real elitism behind Gramm's comments (and McCain's obvious deference to him -- see the video das2003 posted -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGWTh_NZ-0 --) could force the MSM to cover these comments and reveal to voters what a McCain administration would think of them.

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Look at all of you! You are all whiners! I don't see why, if things are so bad for you, you don't do what McCain did; dump your currect wife and marry an uber rich beer heiress!

You have no one to blame but yourself. Trust nobody with less than a million dollars in their bank!

Greg,
That should read "figment of your imagination" not "fiction".

Holy crap! Of CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, only Fox News has an article on Gramm up at all -- and they have it on the front page.

Gramm's comments are so bizarre, they brought me out of my self enforced, blogging sabbatical.

What I find most interesting, is how the MSM is pretty much ignoring the issue. While they have plenty of space and time for the Jessie Jackson psycho-drama, when the economic advisor to John McCain says that the recession is all in our heads and that our whining is the real problem, Gramm gets short shrift.

The Jessie Jackson thing, doesn't effect the lives of the American people one whit but it gets all of the ink and air time.

GOOD JOB BARACK!!!

HIT EM HARD

As best I can discern, neither the CNN or Google News websites contain any mention of the Gramm comments.

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Google has it front and center.

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

It's not that the debt is in our heads.
...it's that the dollars are in theirs!

When my child tells me he is hungry, I will tell him that "its all in your head son".

He doesn't speak for you?!? He's your Chief Economic Advisor for christ's sake! How many times have you deferred economic questions to your advisors?

McCain's feet should be held to the fire for this. This insane comment by Gramm encapsulates very nicely the attitude toward the economic hardship of middle class that we should expect to see should McCain be our president.

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I really wish the Obama camp would talk about how "elitist" this view of economics is. They've done great so far, but somehow the word "elitist" needs to be laid on those who truly are. Too many people are starting to think it means "smart."

They probably released it to try to embarass Obama after the news came out that fundraising was 'a little slow'.

posted in wrong place...sorry

Since everyone seems so certain that we are in recession, when exactly did this recession begin?

Technically a recession is some number of periods of GDP contraction. So we are not in one. But that is not the point. People can feel the economic pain without being told that we are technically being in a recession.

That is basically Gramm's claim, as I see it: GDP is still (barely) growing, so we are not in a recession. It must all be in your heads.

It is incredibly out of touch and, yes, elitist.


October of 2007

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By what measure?

Add your comments to any article you can find on this gaffe. If that volume is up, it's usually enough to draw the MSM to the information and then into the evening news.

WaPo has some good coverage. Check out this tasty treat from http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/10/mccain_distances_himself_from.html:

Even as Gramm refused to back down, McCain was in this hard-hit Detroit suburb trying desperately to empathize with the plight of the auto worker.

And not having much luck.

Speaking at an auto parts supplier, McCain said repeatedly that he understands how much the Michigan economy had declined, with unemployment over 8 percent and 70,000 lost jobs since the beginning of the year.

"America is hurting today. Michigan is hurting today. The automotive industry is hurting," he said to open a town hall here. "We have to understand the urgency of the situation and we should remind ourselves time after time."

But the crowd of about 100 sat on their hands in stony silence throughout most of his speech, especially his lecture about the need for free trade -- a policy not embraced in this town.

The first question was from a man who urged a different point of view, saying that "what we need to do is control some of those trade issues going on. What we want is fair trade."

McCain again expressed his sympathy, but refused to back down on trade, instead singing the praise of the American spirit of innovation and an education system that he said can be repaired to effectively retrain displaced workers.

I'm not usually happy with WaPo coverage of the campaigns, but sometimes they get it right. :)

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I love how the Republican answer to massive job dislocation is always to retrain people to punch the buttons on the cash register at McDonald's or to empty bedpans in the nearest nursing home. Like those are supposed to be reasonable substitutes for the $20 an hour manufacturing job with pension and health benefits that you had before.

--Lindsey

His relationship with Phil Gramm was one of McCainโ€™s key defenses to the claim that he was not proficient on the economy. He mentioned Gramm four times back in the GOP debate in January. Even the ">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/639ggrxf.asp?pg=1"> Weekly Standard wasnโ€™t impressed.

In an attempt to burnish his economic bona fides, McCain mentioned Phil Gramm an astonishing four times. It's bad enough when the candidates run on the legacy of luminaries like Ronald Reagan. But Phil Gramm? I'm normally not much of a fan of focus groups, but the McCain campaign really should consider focus-grouping the Phil Gramm references. I bet the McCain brain trust will find they're not particularly helpful.

Unlike Wes Clark, who was not part of the Obama campaign, Gramm is a key, if not the key McCain economic advisor. Moreover the fact that the economy is not really in a recession and the idea that people and the press are being overly pessimistic is central tenet of the GOP economic plan.

Bad HTML. Here's the link to the Weekly Standard article:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/639ggrxf.asp?pg=1

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It's finally (for the moment anyway) the top story at the ABC News site. Maybe that will set off the others to compete over it.

If anything gets it on the evening news shows it'll be the Dr. Phil line. And if they want to run that line they're going to have to cover the Gramm remarks for it to make any sense.

So we're reduced to hoping Barack will have a steady stream of one-liners throughout the campaign just to get news coverage of legitimate issues.

And then they'll complain that being a good comedian doesn't mean he's qualified to be president.

then they'll complain that being a good comedian doesn't mean he's qualified to be president.

They may SAY that, but when was the last time Bush got off a really good laugh line that was recognized across the partisan divide and wasn't politically nasty? Ever?

This one is genuinely funny, and one only the two Dr Phil's might object to.

The NY Times does not have the story on their front page, nor does WaPo, Newsweek, USA Today, Reuters, MSNBC.

Salon, Time magazine, ABC News, CBS, do.

It seems fairly clear that the MSM tends to coddle McCain, while jumping on every negative Obama story. It's feeling very much like 2004.

During the primaries, Hillary dominated the news every day. She created the agenda. I'd like to see a little more of that from Obama, 'cause, he's getting killed, while McCain slides by.


Barack looks so much more cooler when on the offense.

Blitzer is on this... this is not going away... ambassador of Belarus??? hahaha

There is NO WAY that the MSM is not going to report this up and down... it is way too juicy... Gramm said "Nation of Whiners".

Gramm does speak for McCain and there's no good way to distance himself because McCain said he did not know much about economic issues in the primary debates, but he had surrounded himself with a trusted inner circle of advisers, like Phil Gramm.


I think I can lower gas prices with my mind

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This one kills McCain. He is going to spend the next week backing away from Gramm. The funny thing is I believe McCain does rely on Gramm and Gramm truly does believe we are a nation of whiners. Anyway when Gramm's connections to both Kenny Boy Lay and the current mortgage crisis begin leaking out, McCain is going to have a giant problem. Sometimes a joke kills. This is one of those times.

Obama told reporters moments ago. "He didn't say this, but I guess what he meant was it's a fiction of your imagination, these high gas prices."
Someone please remind me which of the candidates had a proposal to lower gas prices immediately. Oh yeah, Obama scoffed at the nothion that we could exert any control over OPEC and having the oil companies pay a windfall tax to make up for eliminating the gas tax.
"A nation of whiners," Obama repeated. "Now this comes after Senator McCain recently admitted that his energy proposals for the gas tax holiday and the drilling, will have mainly psychological benefits."
Psychology plays an important role in peoples spending habits which san either prolong or end a recession.

Once again Obama offers nothing but words and platitudes. No proposals, just empty rhetoric.

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I'm so glad you stopped pretending to be a Democrat.

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C'mon, give Foghat a break. He's having a bit of a mental recession since his candidate's running off the rails.

And you are sadly mistaken.

I am not for McCain and I am not for Obama.

I'm merely pointing out that Obama is a lousy deceitful candidate.

Clinton is the only one who can still beat McCain. Clinton should be nominated in Denver.

Give Obama and asterisk and let him reside with Ferraro.

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"Now I've had countless conversations since the end of my campaign," she began. "And I know how difficult it is for people who have invested their time, energy and emotion -- just their entire being -- into any campaign or cause. ... When it is over, I know how difficult that is ... how challenging it is to turn on a dime. It is a process. It does take time for people to take a deep breath, to go forward. ... But anyone who voted for me has so much in common with those who voted for Barack. ... It is critical that we join forces. The Democratic Party is a family -- sometimes a dysfunctional family -- but it is a family. We care about what is going to happen to health care [and education], and in Afghanistan in Iraq. ... That work cannot be done if we do not have a Democratic president in the White House!"
-- Hillary Clinton, July 10, 2008 http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/10/114911/145

Take a deep breath, Foghat! :)

18 cents a gallon. That's a little less than what the gas prices around here went up in June. Some frigging solution - even assuming that the oil companies would have shared any of that with me, which I doubt.

That was not a solution to the real problem. The only solution to the problem of higher gas prices and everything else that is going up is to remove ALL Conservatives of either party from government and refocusing the government on support of families and American workers and putting businesses in second place. Oh, and quit letting the government cater to protestant cult "religions."

Support low cost high quality education for everyone who wants it, provide universal health care, support programs that eliminate discrimination against individuals because of their race, first language, or ethnicity, regulate banks so that they no longer can make risky loans then get the government to cover their failures while they take the profits, revamp the tax system so that large concentrations of wealth are eliminated, and rebuild the infrastructure that his fallen to pieces during the Reagan Revolution. Oh, and quit spending more money on the military than all the other nations in the world.

All of that will require a more robust and intrusive government and more, not less, taxes. MAYBE, within a generation the fantastic resources available within the U.S. will allow us to once again be able to compete on an equal footing with the top economic powers in the world.

Conservatism has grown in the last forty years in large part because America has been losing the international competitions economically, and has tried to substitute military force for economic prowess. The Cold War appeared to make this a plausible choice, but it ENDED IN 1989! The USSR collapsed because it was overextended economically, but the only reason we didn't collapse the same time was that America has a great deal more in basic resources, as well as the fantastic university system we have been dismantling over the last decade or so. Japan, Europe, South Korea and Canada have caught up with and in many ways surpassed America now. China is making a run for it. Brazil might actually enter the competition. And the solution American conservatives offered was to invade and occupy Iraq?!

And somehow McCain's repeal of the 18 cents per gallon gasoline tax is going to change these basic problems?

How utterly stupid can you get!

No. But it would put somewhere between $5-8 billion back into consumers pockets. Not chump change when a stimulus is the best remedy for a recession.

The real solution is years away. And I'll remind you that Obama has offered no solutions. Just rhetoric that every candidate offers about alternative fuels.

Money the oil companies holds on to is not in the consumer's pockets.

The same is true, by the way, of tax cuts targeted at the wealthy. And the current recession is caused by lack of consumption because the consumers don't have the funds to increase or even maintain purchases.

Not sure what you're talking about.

Eliminating the gas tax leaves $5-8 billion in consumers pockets over the 3 summer months. The stock market is largely based on consumer sentiment....psychology.

Fogu2: As you prove so eloguently, yep, some of us belong to nation of whiners, and one among us two (one being not me) also seem to be in mental recession.

Whine on.

"We don't need another Dr. Phil! We need solutions! It's not just a figment of your imagination. It's not all in your head. When people are struggling to buy gas and groceries....When people are losing their homes...It's not a figment of your imagination. And it's not too much to ask for the government to step in and give you some relief. It's time to have a president who doesn't deny our problems or pretend they don't exist. It's time we had a president who takes responsibility."

I love it...

YES!! I have been waiting for what, 2-3 weeks for Obama to hit right back at McCain and today it was worth the wait. The most clever and effective response I have seen yet. WAY TO GO!!

Yep. To quote the incomparable Drew Barrymore:

"And that's what I call kickin your ass."

Keep in mind that the reason why Phil Gramm was a failed Economic Professor at Texas A&M was that he was (and remains) a Libertarian. He spent his time there trying to publish Libertarian propaganda instead of doing real Economics research.

Gramm was hired at A&M and got tenure before the decision was made to make A&M into a research university. As soon as that got rolling, Gramm was toast in the Economics Department, and no university of comparable status was going to hire him. Libertarians make poor economics researchers.

Dick Armey, also a Libertarian with a Ph.D. in Economics, had a similar experience when he took the job as head of the Economics Department at North Texas State University, and between his failure to publish and his rotten temperament, was throughly hated there.

Libertarians know the rules they believe in, so they spend their time trying to apply those rules. They don't need to research, since the answers are given by their ideology. Phil Gram knows that there is no Recession because his Free Market Libertarian philosophy tells him it must be true. It is unlikely that he has bothered to research anything. Instead he picks and chooses the reported statistics that confirm what his ideology shows is true and ignores the rest. This dismissal of the recession so many people know we are in is an example of his way of dismissing what he doesn't believe in.

When Phil Gramm left the Texas A&M Economics Department, I was told they were so delighted they worked to get him elected to Congress. When Gramm later tried to get the job of President of A&M (the job that Bob Gates got when he left the CIA) I heard a story that a major reason he failed to get the job was his reputation at the A&M Economics Department.

Libertarians like Phil Gramm, Dick Armey, and let's not forget, Alan Greenspan are quite useless in government or almost anywhere else. They believe only the rules they themselves attempt to impose on others, and don't listen to anyone else because they - as Libertarians - already know The Truth and need only to convert others to believe it.

Yee-haaww!

This episode brings to mind my favorite quote about Phil Gramm, delivered by one of his supporters:

Even Phil's friends don't like him.

McCain's rightful place in this campaign, Barack, is wedged tightly between George W. Bush and Phil Gramm. Don't let him wiggle away.

He may not speak for you, POW McStain, but he DOES ADVISE you. I don't believe Reverend Wright spoke for Obama, but that didn't stop you from tying that knot.

Hopefully this Bushian moment of stoopidity will spell then end of Gramm's association with the McStain campaign.

I'm tired of STOOPID.

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This is a 21 century version of, "Let them eat cake."

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Gramm, backing up his statements:

"If you listen to our leaders, we can't compete against Mexico, for God's sake," Gramm continued. "If they don't think we can compete against Mexico who can we compete against?"

How 'bout that Latino vote?

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Hey!!!!! What am *I* supposed to do?????????

I am not the least bit interested in any young, feminine beer heiresses!!!!!!!!

Where are the young, masculine, hunky beer heirs??????

Here's the double damn on this one... Phil Gramm is also a vice-chairman at UBS. A UBS report caused Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae stocks to totally tank. McCain on the trail today, according, to the New York Times, advocated a government bailout for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. McCain is lobbying for UBS and is so bloody stupid that he doesn't even realize he's being used to manipulate the stock market. If I were the press, I would now ask McCain, if he is aware of Gramm's activities at UBS, and if he still deserves to be ambassador of Belarus. McCain today proved that he is easily manipulated and too stupid to be President.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/business/11fannie.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

It's good that the McCain team is coordinating their talking points, as John McCain's been talking about how the problems with the economy, gas prices, energy, et al, and his proposals to solve them, are 'mostly psychological', for months now.

Alternative energy? McCain will harness the power of the subconscious, store it in a science-contest-prize battery, and use it to power your new 'horseless carriage'.

Go McCain!

http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/

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Phil Gramm is a near imbecile, he is less intelligent than even GWB. However, I have to agree with him on the "nation of whiners" assessment. Seems pretty accurate to me!

It sounded better the first time. Don't look back!

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