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Obama Campaign Slams Story Reporting $30 Million In June As "Way Off"

The Obama campaign sends over a statement saying the Journal story reporting he raised $30 million in June is false.

From spokesperson Dan Pfeiffer:

"The Wall Street Journal report of our fundraising numbers is way off the mark. It appears that after 18 months, some in the press still haven't realized that anyone who is talking about numbers doesn't know what our numbers are."

Earlier today, the Obama campaign wasn't commenting on the story. This will obviously prove a relief to many.


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I do think their fundraising was below par. Probably $35 to $38 million in June.

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Anybody know when Obama's June fundraising numbers are due out?

Due around the 20th. He could report them earlier or an estimate prior to that.

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Maybe - they didn't say what part of the story was way off. Don't get me wrong, hoping for the best, but I wouldn't be surprised if it it's $34-$35 million.

It's not the worst thing in the world that this story got out, I think it lit a fire among those who may have gotten complacent.

I was in such a panic yesterday that I sent in a goodly part of my planned contribution to the Genghis Fundraiser!

So far the guy is turning out to be pro-spying, pro-gun, pro-death penalty in non-homicide cases, and an even bigger pro-Likud hawk than Hillary Clinton.

A liberal like me should be excited to send him money why, exactly?

Health Care
Iraq
Education
College Affordability
Economy
Disability Issues (I'm deaf, and I would suffer under a McCain administration)
Environment
Global Warming
Family Leave
Global Market Competition
Highway Infrastructure
Mass Transit
Quality of Life

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Add bankruptcy reform. We are all going to need a fresh start after the Bush years.

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There's more hyperbole in that statement than you can shake a stick at.

Well, pick out a stick, because there's going to be a lot of shaking from now on.

If you don;t know then I would suggest you aren't quite the liberal you claim to be.

That's what I can't stand about dogmatic ideologues on either sides of the spectrum. If someone isn't duckspeaking the politically correct orthadoxy at all time, every complex idea or nuanced statement gets reduced down to a bumper sticker or a slogan.

I had gotten used to just that kind of reductionistic crap from the right (and, most horrifically, from what had become the mainstream of the right). I'd forgotten how much more obnoxious it is when it comes from one's own side of the political spectrum.

Exactly. Thank you!

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I don't care if obama jumps up and down and praises the b-movie actor to get elected. It's only words. Obama would appoint great justices for the supremes, try to wipe out lobbyists, healthcare reform, get rid of the king's gifts to the super rich, etc., etc., etc. I want his to get elected in a landslide, not lose a squeaker because he was pacifying a small percentage of the population. He can say whatever he wants to get elected as far as I'm concerned.

Oye!

Cherry-pick much?

That was Steve. but thanks to Fluffer for the list he provided.

I would simply add that Obama's views on gun control, the death penalty and spying are in line with the majority of Americans who believe the government should be able to listen in to overseas calls with suspected "bad guys", believe in their personal right to bear arms, and believe in the death penalty for child rapists....do you really want to distinguish between the guy who kills a kid and the guy who rapes a kid?

And he is hardly "pro-Likud" by calling for direct talks with Imadinnerjacket.

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... do you really want to distinguish between the guy who kills a kid and the guy who rapes a kid?

Yes.  After she's raped some kid, I want some incentive to still be there for her not to proceed to murder him.

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Right, because most child rapists are pretty concerned with the consequences of their actions and would refrain from murdering the child afterwards for fear of getting into REALLY big trouble. They're alright with facing 10 to 20-something years in prison, but they're scared of the gas chamber.

Because he's a far cry better than McSame!

Steve: Why? Hey, you are a bright guy, because the other choice is NO choice at all. Good-bye civil rights courtesy of the Supreme Court if McCain gets in. Stop the whining, myself included, and just send the damn money. There is no option here folks.

I've become so underwhelmed by him as of late, the only reason I'll still consider voting for him in the fall is for a better chance at decent SCOTUS nominations. Money? Nope, sorry. I need to put food on my family first.

I gave somewhere around $500 over the course of the primary season starting back in August 2007. I would love to have given Barack a nice congrats on locking up the nomination donation, but guess what. I simply can't afford to anymore. Back when I was giving to him Gas was a dollar less and food and everything else cost 30% less. I'm in a catch 22 of needing Barack Obama to be president so I can afford to donate to his campaign for president.

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I'm in a catch 22 of needing Barack Obama to be president so I can afford to donate to his campaign for president

Love this!

I imagine lots of us are in that state...

Of course! I'm broke as a joke.

I'm still going to give $20 a month (more if I can). $5 a week is nothing. You can find that in change on the ground on your way to work. And its a VERY small price to help in an election that couldn't be more important.

Since I can't give much money, I have set a personal goal of getting at least 2 other people to contribute at least $5 dollars. I have to say I've been very successful (5 so far this week - total of $70).

I strongly suggest everyone here do the same.

Volunteering is good, too. However, it is a very sad reality: money is everything in politics. Everything!

You shame me sir, you shame me. I could afford it but slacked off for a month because things got a teensy tight.

You shamed me, but its a good shame.

LOL

That wasn't my intention.

But, seriouly, if and when you can't give, making a $5 pitch to someone is really very easy. Most people spend over three times that amount on soft drinks in a week.

I'm working on a few people to actually do such gathering themselves.

Think about it. If everyone did this, we could 'expand the playing field' beyond our wildest dreams.

Isn't that hitting the mark, so true!

Now, if he would just make a pledge to forgive all credit card debt as president...

There is always volunteering...just saying.

I made a donation again yesterday.
Keep the money rolling in!

All talk, flufferwink, nothing but promises most of which will turn out to be empty. And the candidate himself has trained me not to believe that his talk will translate into action.

(I'll hold my nose and vote for him, don't worry.)

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You're funny. I haven't seen your name around these parts (though, to be fair, I've been doing more volunteering than commenter-watching since the nomination was wrapped up) but I'm going to keep my eye on you. Your comedic stylings are going to add a lot to the compost heap, I'm sure.

If it's "way off," they should just announce the numbers and be done with it. I hate this waiting game nonsense.

And hey, liberal whiners who are following kos's lead and acting petulant, I wish you could be forced to live with a McCain administration while the rest of us benefit from Obama's administration. Alas, only in my dreams.


Wow, you've really soaked up Obama's "one America" rhetoric. You must be a true supporter. I'm guessing you also hope only the troops that vote for Obama get to come home from Iraq.

Yup, the McCain voters need to stay for at least 100 years.

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"Way off" would suggest upwards of $40 million. Let's hope so.

But why not just release the damn numbers?

Since the primaries have ended, a lot of the infighting among the Dems has died down (PUMAs and GOP trolls aside). But that shift has also come with a price – literally. Barack Obama continues to out-fundraise McCain (although not by enough, according to the WSJ), but given the MSM’s ongoing determination to ignore McCain’s repeated gaffes, memory lapses and inability to hold the same position for more than an hour at a time, Obama supporters can’t afford to rest on their laurels.

Remember the GE in 2000? I really didn’t think the election would be at all close. Bush was so plainly ignorant (and proud of it); I thought that all but the dimmest bulbs would have to vote for any other candidate, regardless of some bizarro-world idea of “charisma.” But the low-information voters made their decisions based on which guy they wanted to have a beer with, not who was actually capable of best representing the nation. As much as I’d like to believe that won’t be the case this time around, the current campaign coverage makes it clear that the MSM is most comfortable with the tried-and-true memes of Democratic flip-floppery and elitism, vs. Republican “strength” and commitment to “real Americans.”

The only way to battle this is by engaging as many people as possible in discussions about who Barack Obama is and what he stands for. We can work to get out the vote, to raise awareness of the issues on which McCain and Obama differ, and to point out the dishonesty and ugliness of the right’s efforts to paint anyone with whom they disagree as “European,” weak, and/or an arugula-eating, over-educated, condescending snob.
But Obama needs money – a lot of it - to fight the GOP, plain and simple. I urge every Obama supporter in a position to do so to make a donation (or another donation, such as the case may be), no matter how small. The lesson of 2000 is that we can’t afford to become complacent, simply because the other guy is so plainly unable to speak or think coherently. Like it or not, money matters – and we need to keep our eyes on the prize. We can’t afford another Republican administration (if for no other reason than the impact on the SCOTUS, the Justice Dept. and the rest of the judicial system). I donated another $100 last night, and will continue to do so as frequently as possible. Let’s do what we can to prevent the MSM from spinning Obama’s fundraising as “underwhelming.”

Here’s to November, and the opportunity to see one of the greatest politicians of our time finally take the reins, and begin the process of rebuilding what the current administration has spent the last two terms tearing down.

Sorry, I'm not intimidated by that kind of bullshit.
You feel free to go right ahead and keep rewarding crappy DINO candidates, but count me out.

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How's the atmosphere in Purity Land?

Calling Obama a DINO? What an amazing comment.

But hey, 10% of the public still thinks Obama is a Muslim. No accounting for the willfully ignorant.


At least you understand a vote for Barack is a vote for "unfsking" the country!

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Fine. You're out.

Goodbye.

Don't forget to vote for Nader. Again. A lot of good that'll do.

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Sorry, I was not aware you were the king of deciding who is and isn't a real Democrat. So the standard is anyone who doesn't vote or do exactly what Steve LaBonne thinks or says is just a DINO? Just want to be sure I don't run afoul of the Steve LaBoone the grand poobah and decider of all things Democratic.

You do know who recently bought the Wall Street Journal, don't you? Now you will see it acting more like The FUX SPEWS NETWORK. This is just the first example of what you can expect from here on. Murdoch will have the Wall Street Journal making up shit like this about Obama and Democrats from now on.

Don't forget he (murdoch) is also now on the A.P. board.

I think that if Senator Obama and his fundraising numbers are significantly higher than the $30 million, then they will wait until Monday or Tuesday to release the figure so that they can dominate the news cycle.

great observation. that would be smart.

As an aside, I just heard that the O Team will be sponosoring a NASCAR car. This should help with the KY and WV folks.

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Seriously?

NASCAR is having problems these days--there are lots (relatively speaking) of unsponsored teams. But the Obama campaign sponsoring one?

Really?

WOW!

That is VERY smart.

Good for them!

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ugh, I sure hope not. It was OK to sponsor a 3 on 3 basketball tourney because he is into hoops. he will look like a fool by sponsoring NASCAR.

Why on earth would you say that it will make him look like a fool?

I think what would be most foolish is to throw his nose in the air and act like he is too good for them.

There's a saying that goes something like 'showing up is half the battle' (Woody Allen, I think). Its very true!

I think it was the gov. of NC that went to a race. He drove a car and wrecked it. They all laughed and the joke was much talked about. But it did wonders for him. Mark Warner was FAMOUS for going to NASCAR races.

People want to feel as if they are important, that getting their vote is necessary.

Will he win the NASCAR Dad vote? No way in hell. But if it helps shave off 5-10% of McCain's margin with this group, I'd say it is a coup. Also, perhaps it will go a very long way in softening them up, maybe they won't be so hostile to President Obama.

The biggest problem with the Democratic Party is that it has been controlled by intellectually arrogant, largely northeastern, liberals. That whole elitist stink our party has been carrying for so long...well, there's a reason for that: it was true!

Sorry, but it seems a little too much like pandering to me. Just a short shot north of Dukakis in a tank.

But, but, but, we already had the gym decorated for a good big ol' Democrat Chicken Little Dance. Invitations had gone out and people were setting up and the band was doing soundchecks and everything . . .

You support the party at all costs types really don't get it- not even in crassly political terms. Have you looked at Congress's approval rating lately? (Hint: you'll need a microscope to see it). That's what happens when you promise to stand for something- and then fail to deliver.

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I don't take any of the posts as "party at all costs," sorry. We need obama in the whitehouse, not 4 more years of whining at how F*cked up the country is and wishing that obama only sung hail to the b-movie actor more.

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Sorry, but for me the SCOTUS nominations in the next 4 years is more important than being the standard bearer of the online Democratic purity troll, so I will leave that task to hyperbolic idiots... carry on.

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Easy way for him to solve this problem, report the numbers. They have the info, just report it already, one way or the other. I would have rather seen a statement of the numbers as opposed to this statement, which only leads to more handwringing.

They may not have finished with their audit of the finally tally. Murdoch owns the Journal now. Why let him spook you into rushing out figures that you might have to later on correct. Do you really want Obama to dance every time Murdoch play's his fiddle? Think about what you are buying into. Murdoch is just planting more of his usual bullshit, and trying to goad Obama into walking into the trap.

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All excellent points, but does it really take that long, it's been 10 days, for the final numbers? Everything is pretty much computerized. However, throughout the primaries obama was always late in reporting his numbers, so I guess it's not that unusual.

Daily KOS diarist is reporting it from Sports Ill.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/11/115558/317/224/549967

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Thanks!

That's an unusual idea, to say the least. If the campaign does do it, there's suddenly going to be a whole lot of interest in Pocono. And think of the sheer number of times the name "Barack Obama" will be repeated on the telecast...

I think that is the real point of the NASCAR event. Obama is not going to carry Kentucky or WV, but the amount of free TV exposure he will receive is the real bonanza.

I got a kick out of Conan's joke on the subject. Here it is:

"Barack Obama is campaigning very hard, going everywhere these days to get the vote out. Barack Obama's staff recently announced that Barack is planning to hold a campaign event at a NASCAR race. Yeah. The event will be called 'Meet your first black guy.'" --Conan O'Brien

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LOL!

It may not get him KY or WV, but will go very far in helping him get GA, SC, NC, VA, and MS.

I can't tell you how thrilled I am about this!

Finally, an unafraid, non-intellectually arrogant Democrat!

If you really want to contribute to un-fsking the country, vote for Obama- but give your hard-earned cash to progressive Congressional candidates.

Because "progressive Congressional candidates" are not ineffectual at all.

Those Congressional candidates, by the way, are hurting for cash due to all the money sucked up by the long primary campaign and Hillary's fundraising to pay the debts her stupidly mismanaged campaign accrued.

Hey - congrats Steve. You've actually made a valuable suggestion.

It's true - Democratic Candidates could use a bit of help.

My suggestions: Darcy Burner, who understands that we need "more and better Democrats" (and whose house just burned down, by the way, so I'm sure she could use the pick me up.

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/17762

Rick Noriega, who has a chance to wipe the obnoxious smirk of the face of Republican jerk Cornyn and win by winning us a Senate seat in Texas.

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18187

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I would love to see noriega beat big bad john. The guy is a total a**. And the way noriega beats big bad john is the obama ground operation and obama making a play in a big way for texas, not giving noriega cash. If obama doesn't make a big play for texas, noriega won't win it regardless of how much cash noriega collects. The same could be said for alot of the down ticket dems. It will depend on obama and his coattails, not more cash.

You are wrong about Hillary and really need to get over it!

Because of her, the Democrats competed in every single state, which means there is a ground game in place in every single state. McCain is having to build them from scratch; we have a running head start.

If Obama raised $30 million in June, I'd say that is pretty impressive. Summer is absolutely terrible for fundraising. McCain is still getting rich a lot of Republicans to max out; that will eventually end for him - $20 or so million is likely his limit. Once Clinton's people open up (which they will!!), Obama will have a whole new pool of people to max out. Then after the convention, when people are paying attention again, his small donations will start pouring in.

Anyway, my point is that this fundraising has nothing to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton had the audacity to compete and do so until the end. And because she did, we should be grateful that the Obama campaign can focus on other things, other than building entire networks in states - which is exactly what the McCain campaign is doing right now.

even if he did raise 30 mil its still more then the 22 mil that mccain raised. as far as the rnc and dnc, the dnc needs to get their funraising together because they should be ashamed by their numbers

McCain lies about voting record for veterans

A McCain presidency with a progressive Congress would just be more stagnation and bills vetoed. I think most of the country are tired of the stagnation in Washington. A progressive Congress is not enough to get the changes through that we want.

Neither will Obama plus the current Congress.

That may be true, but it really remains to be seen. I would be very interested to see Pelosi and Reid operate with a Democratic President, and free from the strictures of an election year.


D'oh! Guess I needn't have donated earlier . . .
:-P

That's the objective in this election, more Democrats in Congress and a Democratic president. Obama looks to be having a strong down ticket effect so it is possible to have both.

Whatever Obama's numbers are for the month of June, I'm sure the numbers have noticeably faded in July.

But does anyone doubt that HAD Obama maintained Sen. Dodd or Sen. Feingold position on this FISA Bill, that the netsroot money would have been flowing in like an artisan well of wealth right now?

And it's too bad that so many bloggers were so beleaguered by Obama's stance on this FISA Bill that they fell to act in time, in order to force Obama enbloc to walk back his FISA position for his own good.

I mean Josh Marshall wanted his readers to chill out and drink a brew but that's just burying your head Ostrich like to pretend it isn’t really happening.

AT this point, the fix is in, the damage is done, there isn't anyway that Obama can walk back his FISA mistake, anyway Obama is far to egotistical to ever admit he made this massive mistake, even if he loses this election due to a lack of funding because of it.

And it's certainly not like Obama can expect AT&T or Verizon to bail him out either so FISA stance makes no sense. Right now you know that Bush is laughing at Obama and saying, "Thank YOU idiot".

But he's having a negative effect on the fundraising for those downticket candidates, which will now continue since he opted out of public financing.

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Could you link to some evidence supporting your claim that Obama is having a negative effect, or are you just making stuff up?

I doubt he has evidence. But, it is certainly true, but that impact hasn't been felt yet - regarding Obama personally.

People focus on the big show. The presidential race, every cycle, overshadows down-ballot candidates and donors (big and small) focus on that. However, if he opted into public financing, then they wouldn't be allowed to donate to him anymore; which would essentially soften them up for those down-ballot races.

Obama, I'd say, is doing A LOT for many candidates. He has sent 15 paid staffers to SC! That hasn't happened, I'm sure, since Carter. He's sending enormous resources to NC, GA, VA, and many other places. That will help tremendously with downballot races, I can tell you as a fact!

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So Steve is just saying stuff...

Yeah, pretty much!

One minute its all Hillary's fault. The next, its Obama.

I agree with Steve LaBonne. Supporting candidates just because they are Democrats is no longer working for our country. We need to support the candidates who will support us. And that means more than standing up for issues. Those of you who throw out laundry lists of issues as the rationale for supporting Obama just don't get it. We must care more about the values that candidates demonstrate than the issues that they pay lip-service to. Case in point: the FISA bill that has gotten Obama into hot water with Kos and many other progressives is an instance where he showed that he was not willing to stick his neck out to protect our 4th amendment rights. This is a big red flag to progressives that perhaps Obama does not share our values. If he won't fight for us in the Senate, we won't fight for him in the fundraising arena.

The silver lining in all of this is that the 2008 election will have succeeded in an important basic mission regardless of how much more money Obama raises between now and the election, and regardless of whether he beats McCain. The fundraising success that Obama has enjoyed through the primary process, when he was undeniably the darling of us 'radical' left-wingers, sends a message loud and clear that politicians don't have to become the servants of corporations and other special interests in order to raise enough money to compete in elections. Obama has shown that if you can appear authentically liberal, there is plenty of money that middle class liberals can give to a campaign through small internet donations. This will encourage many politicians to consider weaning themselves from their corporate masters, and will also encourage many people to consider careers as honorable politicians who would otherwise shun the profession out of distaste for the need to raise money from the very powers that oppose the progressive movement.

Steve LaBonne is correct in his comment above regarding where to send our political donations. The best thing we can do is give money to candidates who we trust to fight for the progressive agenda, at all levels of government. And keep them on a short leash. When candidates demonstrate that they do not share our values, as Obama is doing lately, then we turn down the money flow and they will get the picture. If we really want change in our government, we have to care more about the behavior of the politicians than what party they identify with.

Of course Obama will be a better president than McCain. But now is the only time when we have any leverage over him to influence his behavior. He can count on all our votes, be he has to demonstrate that he deserves our money by supporting our progressive values.

Do you people understand, even a little bit, the difference between running for office and governing?

I am absolutely with you if you say Democrats have lost by appearing weak and convictionless and for dropping into a fetal crouch every time a Republican says "national security" or "taxes." But that does not mean that Democrats have to go out of their way to alienate everybody in the country except the most dogmatically, boneheadedly leftist elements of the netroots and the party. This is an election, not a frakking Teach-In.

A leader has to lead, get out in front of those who are led. No question and that's been a big part of why we've been getting our asses handed to us. But he's also got to stay close to the front of the pack, especially if he's leading people somewhere they don't already want to go. If he gets too far out ahead of them, he's liable to find himself standing all by himself in the middle of enemy territory.

People who've gone down in history as great leaders have invariably understood this--and usually even said it. They've always had to endure constant carping from the most zealous adherents of their cause who didn't bear actual responsibility for getting something done. Lincoln got it from the the abolitionists, FDR got it from the far left and, subsequently, from people who wanted to buck the isolationists and jump into the war.

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Two words: Supreme Court

That is Bush's mentality: "You're either with us or agaist us."

*against

wonder if all those reports about his monstrous fundraising made potential donors complacent

and that whole - "I'm not headed to the Center, I've been there all along" thingy combined with complacency to hurt their efforts

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Ok, how about some good news. Mcbush is trailing obama in Arizona. Arizona people. Landslide a coming.

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/mccains-arizona-woes

And what about his june numbers?

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Sorry, but its Zogby and not worth the pixels it is written on.

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I know, but the mere fact that a poll shows this is good news. If anything mcbush should be up by 20 points in arizona and he's not. Even mcbush concedes that arizona is a swing state, while illinois and the surrounding states are posting by and large double digit obama leads or at a minimum very close, indiana and missouri. The southwest is turning into obama country when it should be mcbush country.

If it's "way off," they should just announce the numbers and be done with it. I hate this waiting game nonsense.

One reason why they aren't releasing their numbers might be that there's a surge in donations right now due to McCane's numbers being announced. And if so, there's no reason to stop the flow.

Plus releasing the $ tells the McC camp how much $ they have. The longer they delay the actual #s the longer they keep McC guessing.
The fact that McC is releasing his #s means he is worried - and he is trying to reassure everyone that things are just fine thank you.

Remember back in the primaries when HRC released her boffo numbers to gin up some good press and then Obama released his staggering ones and drank her milkshake. Since then Obama stopped releasing #s until he had to.

I bet its gonna be 60M+.. could even be 80+

I gave because of the WSJ story. I didn't give much, but giving a little on a regular basis adds up to, at least, more than a little.

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I'm with Youngbloods' comments above. If Obama's vote on FISA is any indication of how he intends to proceed as a candidate and as President, then he will fall far short of his promise. FISA should have been a no-brainer for him; everyone knew that that legislation was going to pass easily, so Obama's vote was not determinative of the outcome, affording him extra latitude to do the right thing. On this vote Obama chose to align himself with Bush/Cheney/Rove/Gonzales and the Telecoms, the Republicans in the Senate, the odious Joe Liebermann, and the most regressive Senate Democrats in handing out a free pass to those who were guilty of illegal wiretapping. I don't think I'm setting the bar too high in expecting that our nominee for the Presidency should muster up the courage to affirm the rule of law and the principles enshrined in the Constitution.

It's true that a lot of progressives have reacted hysterically to Obama's FISA vote, and are now saying that they won't vote for him. That's foolish and counter-productive, IMHO; but I don't think this incident should be swept under the rug, either. In their euphoria over Obama's candidacy, I'm not sure that progressives have come to grips with what happened this week; the Democratic nominee for President and supposed agent of 'change' has just put his name on legislation that precludes any investigation, discovery, or prosecution of wiretapping crimes carried out by the Bush administration in cooperation with the telecom companies.

FISA was the first significant challenge for Obama since becoming the presumptive nominee, and he fumbled it badly. I don't have any illusions about Obama-- I know he isn't a flame-throwing lefty politican. But if he can't manage to get it right in a bedrock case like FISA, then there is cause for concern. The nation is crying out for bold, principled leadership; the last thing we need at this moment is mushy and timid centrism.

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Wow, now I see the light. Yeah, I wish obama would have voted against the fisa deal, even though as you pointed out his vote against wouldn't have mattered. The last thing we need is obama as president. We need another term of the king. That's right, no "mushy centrist." We need someone bold and decisive that appeases the 20% or less of the voting public and gets slammed in november. That makes sense.

Hm, I am not totally of the same mind as the good Mr LaBonne on this subject, but I think that folks here are being too hard on him. He says that he plans to 1) vote for Obama and 2) contribute to downticket democrats. Is this really so horrible? I guess that I am having a hard time seeing why folks should be so incensed at this, especially given that, in order for Obama to be maximally effective once elected, he will need a good, solid democratic majority in both houses of Congress.

I tip my hat to you, Steve LaBonne (and not just because we Franco-Americans need to stick together). I will be doing more for Obama than you will be doing, but it seems to me that you will be doing just as much as I am for the overall good of the republic.

Of course he can donate in any manner he wishes, and no one would begrudge him that right. The problem arises is when someone starts ordering others to do what he did.

I never tell people where to spend their money. He does.

Obama's fund raising was likely hurt by all the talk of the potential he could raise $500M, especially when the talk was McCain would be playing with a mere $80M is public funding. Obama and Co need to push the news story yesterday where McCain and the RNC together expect to spend $400M on the Presidential campaign.

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Michael A,

I don't understand your comment. I worked very hard and gave a lot of money to help Obama win the primary. I want Obama to be the next President, and I believe that the best path to the White House is for him to stand up strong and defend the Constitution, rather than falling into the trap of behaving like many of our spineless Congressional Democrats. Can't we be supportive of Obama and critical of his FISA vote at the same time? What leads you to the conclusion that Obama would get "slammed in November" if he had voted to uphold the rule of law in the FISA case?

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Simple, the republicans would paint the vote as weak on terrorism. The immunity issue would get lost in the noise and the average voter could give a sh*t about the immunity issue. I am glad to see him "tack" to the center. I want him to win big. He can make more principled stands as president. Now the priority is to win in November and get a mandate to accomplish something. Also, on the telecom issue, he can have congress investigate the attrocious conduct and violations of the law by the king's administration as president. He can't do that if he loses. If mcbush wins, we will never know what happened the last 8 years and we will have 4 more years of the same.

Why send money to Obama even though you think he's not liberal enough? Well, to put it succinctly: John McCain. Consider the alternative.

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Our constitutional professor nominee has supported the Bush administrations efforts to gut the 4th amendment, while tearing down the wall between church and state, and thinks maybe we don't use the death penalty quite enough, while musing about the limitations of Roe v Wade and re-thinking the 2nd amendment. Can anyone say, warmed-over Republican?
A must more important use of donations is to support the ACLU's efforts to stop the police state trend now.

To those everywhere that fell for hope, audacity, change, and new politics, just when do you realize you have been had? While I was not a big Bill Clinton supporter, the fairy-tale warning was there. But then who thinks, when there is hope?

"Way off." Hmmmmm.........

It's not Obama's triangulation that is most frustrating. It is his badmouthing of groups like MoveOn.org and other members of his progressive base that is infuriating.

Personally, I have worked for every democratic presidential nominee since 1992 and given around $100 or so (not that much I know). But, after badmouthing some of his base and caving on FISA I have lost my motivation to do so for Obama this year.

He still has my vote, unless he keeps swinging further to the right; then I might vote for Bob Barr or not vote for Pres at all. I never considered myself a Libertarian, but a limited government is better than a corrupt one. And a principled leader better than another arrogant unprincipled a**hole.

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What Obama takes in this month is not what is critical. What is critical is whether his ATM machine at the Internet is still working -- the folks who sent him the price of two movie tickets without giving it much more thought than that may have stopped giving.

This may account for his sudden decision to hold high dollar events.

Hear, hear!

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