Obama Campaign Criticizes New York Times Story On Poll
The Obama campaign is taking issue with The New York Times this morning over the paper's front-page piece today on the Times poll released last night, critiquing the story for omitting a great deal of the paper's own poll polling data that suggests a different conclusion than the story reached.
The Obama campaign sent over a detailed critique of the story, which concludes from the poll that Obama isn't closing the divide on race. The story's lead reporter was the paper's top political writer, Adam Nagourney.
"The NYT story about their poll ignores multiple and significant pieces of data that actually indicate a trend much different from that which the story suggests," the critique reads. It goes on to list "some straightforward points from their data that are omitted from the story."...
a) More white voters say Obama cares about people like them, than say the same thing about McCain by 31 to 23b) On the essential issue in this campaign - bringing about change in Washington - Among white voters, Obama is seen as the change agent by 52% to 30%
c) Obama's 31% favorable rating among white voters is virtually identical to McCain's, which is at 34%.
d) By a 2 to 1 margin over McCain, white voters are more likely to say that Obama would improve America's image in the world
e) "Racial dissension" around Mrs. Obama's 24% favorable rating among whites is an extremely odd description given that Mrs. McCain's favorable rating among white voters is 20%.
f) Enthusiasm for Obama's candidacy is roughly 2.5 times higher among white voters than is enthusiasm for McCain's.
g) Obama is winning by 6 points against McCain and the gap among white voters is only -9 --- a margin smaller than independent expert on voting patterns, Ruy Texiera, said would give Obama a " solid win."
h) though there is a six-point margin of error among black voters the NYT describes the 7-point change in black voters' views that whites had a better chance of getting ahead as slightly higher than 8 years ago. Given that the Times reports horserace questions as statistically even when the margin falls within the margin, it seems that this shift from seven years ago among black voters is well within the margin of error.
Late Update: Nagourney responds.















Good! I'm glad to see the Obama campaign on its game!
July 16, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
What the fuck is up with the NYTimes? Are they trying to make up for the McCain Affair fuck-up?
July 16, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama Presidency Portends Rising Tide of Racial Harmony" doesn't sell papers...
July 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
July 16, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could this be the portents of a new aggressive press push-back policy? If so, about fucking time.
July 16, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The TIMES today was awful. It provided a much less thorough and honest overview of Obama's foreign policy speech -- and the McCain moves to imitate Obama -- than did the Wall Street Journal! And the race article was utterly wierd -- trying to promote racial divisions that their own data just do not show. One expects better from Adam Ngourney. What is wrong?
The Obama campaign will have to push back fast and thoroughly on stuff like this -- all the time.
July 16, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Adam Nagourney's been an awful hack--he was the one that did the Obama cocaine story a while back that insinuated that Obama was lying about his drug use--in that he didn't actually do that much drugs as he claimed.
July 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
They never seem to do a very good job with Obama's big speeches or with non-horserace poll interpretation.
July 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, y'all are the only ones who read it anyway.
July 16, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The New York Times also goes way beyond the readership since the cable punditheads like to discuss it on the news, so there's a viewership to contend with as well.
July 16, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have to work at being a moron or does it come naturally to you?
July 16, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alas, my life's goal of impressing you with my wit and charm appears sorely out of reach...
July 16, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey wallace. Your man, McCain, should be glad to read this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/us-troops-forced-out-of-a_n_113000.html.
Good luck with the 100-year war.
July 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have to be a Democrat to actually have charm and wit :-)
July 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Au contraire, my liberal friend. A Democrat with wit and charm is an elitist; a Republican with wit and charm is a good ol boy ;-)
July 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, a good ol' boy, like John McCain who makes rape jokes.
July 16, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I'm in a more light-hearted mood today than some. We probably disagree on just about everything but you've given me at least two chuckles in this thread.
July 16, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I try, there's plenty of time left before the election to get serious.
July 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
What should we read if not the Grey Lady, Wallace? What are the non-elitist Neanderthals reading these days? The NY Post? The "liberal NYT" trope is so tired. Get over it you troll moron.
July 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
"What are the non-elitist Neanderthals reading these days?"
Your witty comments.
July 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's a nice good ole boy like you doing in a place like this?
July 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just fighting the good fight...echo chambers are boring...unless you're in the minority, then they're kind of fun.
July 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I thought that one was kind of funny.
July 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me? Whenever I see "Adam Nagourney" or "Nedra Pickler" in a byline, I know I'm about to be served a big pile of right-wing b.s. disguised as journalism.
July 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine if the mainstream media were objective and honest! They would be compelled to admit that that skinny fellow with the funny name is the best chance America has of rebuilding the the Great American Nation.
Ai'nt gonna happen; they will continue to misrepresent, self-serve, circumvent reality and triangulate till one day they wake up to the reality of an Obama Presidency.
July 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Trying to promote racial divisions" that their own data doesn't show.
Trying to promote racial divisions may sell papers in America but it is an irresponsible and disgusting way to make money. Agreed the Obama campaign needs to keep on it, but I am mighty pleased with their response so far. They didn't let this stuff slide at all, at all!
July 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously the Obama campaign is sensitive on this issue, but their analysis and conclusions seem pretty solid. When read against the article this morning, it is hard to believe the NYT gave it the slant they did.
I would be very interested to hear the Times response to the response...
July 16, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama leading in the national polls and leading in several swing states would indicate that he has bridged the racial divide. Didn't read the article.
July 16, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Team Obama needs to work the refs (the press) all the time. The Goopers are expert whinners as far as the media goes, but that doesn't mean Obama can't fight for fair coverage.
July 16, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even from "the liberal rag." I don't get it.
July 16, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the NY Times is liberal in the least. Remember who Judy "the Queen of Iraq" Miller worked for?
No, the NYT is in business to make money. If they can print something that sells more papers, they'll print it.
The Obama campaign does have leverage. All of the media is focused on Obama, not McSame. If Team Obama decides to cut off access to the NYT, the NYT will struggle. Team Obama needs to take lessons from Team Clinton because Team Clinton were masterful in thier manipulation of the press.
Do I like this kind of shennanigans? No, I find it highly distateful, but neccessary. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight after all.
July 16, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Hence the quotation marks.
July 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Hence the quotation marks.
July 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Hence the quotation marks.
July 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, shit.
July 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! You must really agree with me:)
July 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hence the quotation marks.
July 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
ha!
July 16, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh man. I have to agree with Jarrod further up, but I'm up to like 5 or 6 chuckles now.
July 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah i agree, everytime a poll come out they always focus on race, instead of see the numbers as they are and reporting the whole poll and not just the part thats going to get the paper noticed
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/whos-laughin-now-suckers/
July 16, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when Obama told some donors that one of the memes that will be generated in the campaign is: "oh yeah, and he's black".
Considering the facts provided by the Obama campaign, what else can you conclude by the Times piece other than, "oh yeah, and he's black"?
July 16, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is pretty unnerving, this itch from some in the so-called enlightened liberal media, to shout from the roof tops "he is black, he is black".
I don't know how Sen. Obama shows this amazing grace in the face of these subliminal racists...
July 16, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
You BET!
First the New Yorker and now the NYTimes both of which are considered liberal prestigious bastions of journalism.
What does that tell us, folks?
Our friends at the mag and the paper are both willing to introduce race and racemongering as the tool to bring down Obama's candidacy just as Bill Clinton did.
Obama has powerful enemies within the Democratic party and the corporate media and multinational power players.
He is a threat to 'business as usual' in DC
July 16, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure it is an active, malevolent, volitional exercise. I think it is more like an unstated, unexplored, resentment at his near-perfect equanimity and that gets under their skin.
With the Clintons, it was just another way to win, I think...
July 16, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, adding:
Equanimity for a black candidate, that is...
July 16, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's really hard to believe that this is what it appears to be: a conscious effort on the part of the Times to tell outright lies about their own survey. And they appear to be doing it in that we-don't-even-care-if-it's-obvious way so dear to the old Soviet system -- and the Bush administration.
July 16, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heck, when the liberal blogosphere is running around analyzing "why Obama is losing" (their answer: flip-flops!!!!) based one polling outfit (Newsweek) showing a drop in gap of 12 points, clearly overlooking the fact that their samples of Dems/Reps in the two polls were statistically different, what do you expect of a pro hack Nagourney?
The reason why Obama will win is because he is solidly reality based, unlike all the yippers on the sidelines...
July 16, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, also, do you have the entire Obama response?
July 16, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did anybody see Bill Bennett and James Carville debating whether the New Yorker cover was fair game? It took Bill Bennett to suggest that it was slanderous, while James Carville said it was okay to portray Obama as a Muslim. Lanny Davis takes a contract with Fox TV; Wolfson takes a contract with Fox TV. And now the New York times slants it's own polls to make Obama look bad. I am convinced that the real elites in the Democratic party would love to see Obama lose the race!
July 16, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Carville is on the Clinton team that is furiously planning a coup in Denver. The Clintons owed a lot of people and they have not ceded the nomination to Obama, because of how many folks he is cutting out of power circle.
Obama is not kow-towing..they have no leverage. People are pissed and they are firing every single bit of ammo they have based on their powerful interests.
Obama is in the cross hairs.
There has been a seismic shift in the power base and we are witnessing a power tug of war for leadership being played out in the media, on the networks as well as by all the Clinton surrogates.
July 16, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Media pushback! Methinks ex-Hillary staffers in the Obama campaign may be showing their mettle.
As for Nagourney, his beltway cockamamie has for much too long deserved to be slammed with facts and reality.
♪ Oh happy day!
July 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
MEMO TO MSM: Race doesn't matter. Quit trying to the stokes flames where there is no fire.
July 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the same things when I looked at the underlying data. Obama has 31% approval among whites, McCain has a 35% approval among whites - yet somehow Obama is failing to bridge the racial divide. Heck, that 31-35% among whites voters is probably a smaller gap than the one that existed between Kerry and Bush around this time in 2004.
Also, with McCain down by 6 overall, shouldn't he be the one worrying. Shouldn't he be trying harder to win over some of the black and Hispanic voters who overwhelmingly approve of and say that will vote for Obama? I mean, only 23% of Hispanics approve of McCain and only 5% of blacks approve.
Obama, if the status quo holds relative to this polls, wins the presidency, even with only 31% of whites approving.
Why wasn't the story about how McCain has been unable to bridge the racial divide? Why isn't the story about how Obama has a huge approval advantage over McCain among blacks and Hispanics yet they are almost tied among whites - McCain's own race? (and, I might add, Obama's)
Thanks, NYTs, for spinning a poll that holds almost nothing but bad news for McCain into one where Obama still can't win over whites.
July 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is just amazing how everyone in the media speaks as if Obama is the one who is behind and McCain is the one ahead.
Part of the explanation may be that there is this lingering effect from Hillary rolling up the polarized vote towards the end of the Dem primaries. It may also be that they expected a sustained 15-20 point gap b/w a Dem nominee and the Rethug, in this toxic environment for the latter brand. But they fail to understand that they are almost fully responsible for propping up McCain and stoking the racial issue. They should learn about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...
July 16, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, it is the media and networks who are the ones that were polarized by Hillary's campaign?
It is not as though they are immune to the same racial polarization. It is important that they belong to their peer group to them, no one wants to acknowledge that they are above racial issues.
THAT's the issue. When folks focus on America and America's problems instead of red states, blue states, GOP vs. Dem and moving America ahead. Obama wins hands down!! Just like he said in his opening speech to the nation...we are the UNITED States of America but the pundits like to slice and dice us into black vs. white vs. brown vs. hispanic vs. gay vs. female....and that just needs to END!
We can take back our government if we believe in this country and the principles and ideals it was founded on.
We can not allow hatemongering or fearmongering or racemongering to keep us from returning America and Americans to prominence domestically where we have jobs and can support our families and globally so we do not need to be in endless wars.
Our moment is now!
July 16, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
One gets the feeling, just based on their usual predilection for sensationalism and division and discord, that they were itching to go there, even without Hillary's help...
July 16, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very much so.
The media is bending over backwards to make Obama appear to be trailing McCain...have you notice how when McCain is ahead they call it a LEAD, as in McCain is leading on... but when Obama is ahead they call it a GAP? As in, there is a GAP between Obama and McCain, on thus and so.
This stuff is so biased that it is blatant. No one calls McCain a flip flopper when he changes positions they describe it as a 'shift' in position, or new 'emphasis'.
The reporting is just a crock...no one is going on and on about us being a nation of whiners like they kept repeating that 'bitter' and 'clinging' comment nor are they focused on Gramm being a friend of 25 years and McCain's top Economic advisor..instead they call him a surrogate just like they call Jesse Jackons when he slams Obama.
No way are the 2 men equal in their roles in the respective candidates campaigns.
We hear all this noise and slurs inferring Michelle is an 'angry' woman while nothing on how Cindy is a druggy who STOLE narcotics from her own medical charity.
This is flat out wrong.
July 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is missing from these posts is the actual number of voters in the various categories.
Consider that blacks make up 14% of this group of voters and the white percentage is 65%, with hispanics at 23%.
A percentage of a percentage is not mentioned.
Typically, hispanics vote democratic, but they aren't slap-happy with Obama. And the Cubans vote Republican.
The white vote is more or less evenly divided.
That leaves the black vote and it's 90% pro-Obama.
Do the math, as they say.
July 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just know they wanted to headline the memo, "And in other news, Obama has not yet cured cancer."
July 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
:-)
July 16, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is missing from the Obama-response is the simple fact that his numbers with whites look the same or even better than Gore's or Kerry's numbers. Also, I think it's safe to assume -- and I guess the Times has the numbers -- that most of McCain's advantage among whites comes from the Deep South, where white voters all but block-voted Rep in the last several elections.
July 16, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, although I think they tried to address that with this point:
"Obama is winning by 6 points against McCain and the gap among white voters is only -9 --- a margin smaller than independent expert on voting patterns, Ruy Texiera, said would give Obama a ' solid win.'"
The decision to highlight the Ruy Texiera quote rather than the Gore and Kerry numbers is probably because, well, Gore and Kerry lost. (I know, it was close...and even better than close in Gore's cas)
July 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. But the implication of the headline is that the vote is racially polarized because O is black. In that context it is relevant that the vote is not more -- and may be slightly less -- polarized than in the case of the last two white candidates.
July 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
As the paper of record in this country, its influence extends far beyond the daily readership.
July 16, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bitch slapping the Gray Lady - Always a good move
July 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't that Bob Dole's campaign slogan?
July 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
No that was something about Viagra and Britney Spears.
Or did that come later? :)
July 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not too pissed. Misusing polls is rampant among the various news outlets, especially ignoring the margin of error.
July 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree. I was getting all het up, reading the Obama response, and then I remembered, "Meh, it's a poll." I hardly know anyone with a land line these days, let alone who's home to answer a telephone poll. Granted, the electorate is big, but the NYT seems to be selecting the gristliest bits for stories like this.
July 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Adam Nagourney is useless. The NYT has some of the most useless humans in existence writing for them these days.
July 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT is looking for the black lining in a silver cloud while stepping over the skid mark that is the McCain candidacy.
July 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
:-) You are too funny.
July 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nagourney is the lowest bottomfeeder in America's court of Versailles.
July 16, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't Nagourney the one that Bush or Cheney (I forget which) called a "major league asshole" in 2000? Or is my memory failing me?
(If correct, I suppose it only goes to show that like a stopped clock, they can be right once in a while.)
July 16, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
That would be Adam Clymer who bears that badge of honor.
July 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, I see I'm confusing my Adams.
July 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, adam nagourney is as adam naguorney does. who would expect him to do anything but shill for the republicans? he rarely does a fair or even-handed job on these types of stories, and seems to see it as his role to exclusively undermine democratic candidates and bolster republicans.
July 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Survey ME!
I'm a 55 year old white male, born, raised and living in the SOUTH (TN and NC). I'm so sick of the corruption, lies, and treason commited by Bush and the Republicans, that I PRAY for Obama to win.
(In addition to praying, I'm giving money and time to Obama's campaign.)
Is he black? I hadn't noticed :-)
He's GOTTA WIN!
July 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The logic in Nagourney's article is completely flawed. It is based on the assumption that Blacks have a much more favorable impression of Obama (80%) and a much less favorable impression of McCain. The favorability numbers for white people for both candidates are within the margin of error. It seems to me the correct headline is: "McCain has a real Black people issue" rather than "Obama has a race issue." Obama seems to be doing just fine.
Another logical flaw is assuming that the difference in opinion between white and black people is completely attributable to race. If you check out similar polls between Clinton and Bush, you'll probably find very similar numbers -- white people about tied, but black people overwhelmingly in favor of Clinton. Would the headline then have been "Bill Clinton Fails to Close Race Divide?" I don't think so.
July 16, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama made race the issue with the Wright debacle and the racist black voters.
McCain doesn't have a problem with blacks because he understands their racist voting tendencies. He is focusing on winning without them. Obama cannot win unless he attracts more whites and hispanics.
Clinton has neither problem.
July 16, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
If only blacks weren't such racists we could all just get along...
Those $%#*@'s always ruining it for the rest of us.
July 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
What you meant to say is that if blacks weren't voting race, Clinton would be the nominee.
Thank you.
July 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, because one thing we know for sure is that all those white folks voting on race made Clinton a loser, huh?
July 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The amount of stupid in this post is amazing! I need another drink.
July 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
What? "Obama made race the issue with the Wright debacle and the racist black voters" and the rest of what you said...
You're clearly being satirical... I almost took a bite. McCain support among black voters -- which would include black Republican voters is 2% according to one of today's polls. McCain had better not waste his time, because black voters clearly do not see him as their next President.
I find it laughable that black voters who regularly vote overwhelmingly for white candidates (so much so that the "black voting bloc" was defined by that activity) are not "racist voters" until they vote for a black candidate. Then comes the "racist" label.
Unfortunately, Hillary did not do much better than McCain in attracting the support of black voters either, regardless of the state, including NY.
But yours was a pretty funny response.
July 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only do black voters vote overwhelmingly for white Democratic candidates but since 1964 no Democrat has won the majority of the white vote in Presidential races.
All Democratic politicians know if they do not get 30% of the black vote they lose.
Which just goes to show how STOOPID Bill and Hill were with their racemongering...if Bill had just kept his mouth shut ..Hillary would be the nominee as all she needed was 30% of the black folks and that would have been a cakewalk given the pedastal WJC had in the a large percent of the black community.
But that is just one more advantage HRC had that she blew.
Like I feel sooooo bad for the entitled and inevitable candidate that I can't wait to give another $200.00 to Barack.
Yee HAW!!..yes we can
July 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly!
You got it. Adam Nagourney is just writing true to his bias. He loves the right and he writes like it.
July 16, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nagourney not only loves the right but he beleives that because he is white he is right in what he writes. i.e. his racial bias is society's ...everyone thinks like him as he is the dominant race writing for the most dominant paper in America expressing mainstream views.
Mainstream views are that whites never have a 'black problem' or race problem or 'hispanic problem' because those are not mainstream groups and can be ignored.
Only blacks and hispanics have a race problem because they are not getting enough 'white mainstream' support. America is defined as 'white mainstream'....so this is Obama's race problem not McCain's.
Does anyone ever look at the audiences at McCain's venues?...nothing but a sea of white..
July 16, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so tired of this RACE "issue."
According to Obama's followers, anyone who disagrees with his statements is racist. That is racist!
It has always been like herding kittens within the Democratic Party -- too many factions -- and yet we are to step in line and march lock-step behind the annointed one. Who died and made him God?
Being half-black and raised by white women doesn't qualify him as the best candidate for anyone.
July 16, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're tired of the race issue? Protest it. Send a letter to the networks and editors and talking heads and tell them to focus on the issues. Obama would LOVE that and so would the vast majority of his supporters.
One other thing for certain is being married to a former President doesn't make an individual the best nor inevitable candidate despite being the biggest Democratic party fundraiser. No one is entitled to be the nominee. Not even a white female who thought she could use gender as her calling card, while all her supporters disdain 'race' issues. hahahah, THAt backfired!
Maybe had Hillary focused on being the best individual for the job rather than the first female she might have been able to demonstrate some individual accomplishments to have folks believe she was more than a First Lady riding her husbands coattails. Being a female didn't cut it.
You have to earn it. Nor does a candidate have to be the best candidate to earn it, they simply have to earn the most delegates and FOLLOW the RULEs to earn those delegates. Actually run a campaign to win, you see.
Despite 16 years on the national scene, HRC didn't know the rules which eliminates her as the best candidate right off since she failed to have a winning strategy.
As far the racial background of Obama's parents go..who cares.
I like the fact that he is a leader, with the judgment to lead, the vision to move the nation forward and most of all...he doesn't even choose to talk about race. He was forced to by all of the Clintons racemongering.
Obama supporters don't like the race issue one bit.
It is polarizing and seeks to divide based on fear of 'otherness' rather than Unite on the basis of Americanism and humanism.
Glad we agree on that, Vinnie.
July 16, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Piss poor attempts by the NYT and the New Yorker to remain relevant by constantly rehashing the "race issue".
Neither are much better than CNN with their inane special "Black in America" which they promo endlessly throughout the day..
More reasons to seek alternatives to the MSM.
I must say I still do love the NYT and a cup of coffee on the weekend, for pure entertainment value, but I am far less likely to follow or to trust their coverage of the events of the day. They have made too many mistakes to overlook.
July 16, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I like Soledad O'Brian...I am dreading this special. When I am optimistic, I think we will see tremendous racial progress and it will diminish some of the 'otherness fears' that could be making folks hestitate about Obama. When I am overwhelmed by articles and mag covers like the NYT and NYer...I feel the special will only exaggerate the fears or increase the resolve of those who beleive there has been 'too much racial progress'...and THAT is the real problem.
sigh...we will just have to wait and see it's impact.
July 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT has steadily diminished itself over the past 8 years, trying to grasp at relevancy in the Internet age.
Between Judy Miller, the "where's the rest of the story" on McCain and Vickie Iseman, hiring, then then having to fire hack sportswriters who plagiarize and engage in charater assassination, Mike Freeman, and now the crap they've been writing this campaign.
It sucks.
July 16, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
DO IT LIVE!!!
July 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget David Brooks and that schmuck who gets a cookie when he manages to be right, Bill Kristol. Two more shitstains on what was previously a fine institution.
July 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the NY Times does suck out loud.
July 16, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Neocon world, Kristol gets a cookie whether he's right or not.
July 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once I looked beyond the headline, the story immediately looked suspicious to me. If whites are giving Obama 31% favorable, and McCain 35% favorable where's the big divide?
July 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
This morning Joe Scarborough used the Times poll numbers to declare that Obama's candidacy would result in a race war in America. He then went on an extended rant about the "95%" of black Americans who view an American hero unfavorably. And for good measure he threw in the new meme that you can't make fun of Obama because he's black. I'm wondering if this is a conscious right-wing tactic, to gin up racial tensions in the run up to the election. I'm nervous about the next few months.
July 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama isn't black.
He's "exotic".
Sheesh...
July 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
How is McCain doing on closing the gap on Race. What is his approval rating with non whites, Mr. Nagourney?. Why is closing the race gap the special burden of the black man, but not the other guy.
July 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can't ever ask that question!
July 16, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are more of a tool of politics than they are a valid analysis of public sentiment. The primary reason is the small sample size used because of the time constraints in continuous polling.
The most accurate poll was several decades ago, called the popcorn poll. Movie theaters had two types of popcorn boxes - one for each candidate. When an adult purchased popcorn they were asked their preference and given the appropriate candidate box - they also had blank boxes for "no opinion" and kids. Its accuracy was the result of a large sampling population.
My guess is that the campaigns have their own polls, that are more statistically valid, upon which they plan their campaign strategy.
July 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the shock over the grey lady's turn to the tired trope of "racial differences" where other more satisfying explanations exist?
Since the release of the Moynihan Report, if not earlier, liberals have been blaming massive structural social inequalities on "racial attitudes" and other such pseudo-psychological bs.
"Race" is to "whining" as Nagourney et al are to Phil Gramm and his ilk - both sides agree American social problems are psychological at root, they just differ regarding cause.
July 16, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
NYT: "More than 80 percent of black voters said they had a favorable opinion of Mr. Obama; about 30 percent of white voters said they had a favorable opinion of him."
You can continue sticking your heads in the sand, continue blaming the messenger, but the fact is that Obama is probably the weakest candidate that Democrats could have run. There's a reason that he's currently in a tight race with an old man running a poor campaign for the party that most Americans have rejected. Just about any Democrat would be in a much stronger position at this point, and it's not only because he's black, though that certainly will continue to be a significant factor. But it's also because he's perceived as being very arrogant and elitist, and he has no experience in addressing the problems that most Americans care about. More recently, he's also shown himself to be a shameless opportunist who has, in the words of Adrianna Huffington, undercut his own brand.
The fact is that Obama's candidacy has been going downhill for months now. He peaked in February and lost most of the primaries after that. But due to the crazy rules of the Democratic Party and the ruling over Michigan and Florida, we're stuck with him.
That's not to say that he has no chance of winning the general election. Most Americans would desperately love to vote for anyone promising to change the direction of the country. But Obama and his rabid supporters need to wake up, smell the coffee, and realize that as much as they may idolize Obama, and as much as he idolizes himself, the fact is that he currently rubs most Americans the wrong way. And renting out a stadium so that he can continue to conduct his campaign as an evangelist or rock star only tends to cement the negative view that most Americans have about him and his ego.
July 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"most Americans"? Reference please, for the poll that shows over 50% of Americans have a negative view of Barack Obama.
July 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to the poll, Obama currently has a 37% negative and 31% positive among whites (of course, all black people love him). 28% are still undecided. My point was that what he is doing now isn't working, that a plurality of Americans simply don't like him, but that there are still enough people who would like to be able to vote for him if he can refrain from seeming as vain and egotistical as he seems to be.
Obama's real problem has always been that he conveys an elitist air. He doesn't connect with average, working-class voters. He entered politics by cultivating his relationships with a class of wealthy and powerful blacks in Chicago. So even as a Chicago politician, he connected much more easily with upscale whites than with downscale blacks, who saw him as representing "the white man." That's why he lost the election for a congressional seat - because poor blacks didn't trust him. It's the same with most whites today.
Obama has a way of speaking where he seems to talk down to people and feel like he's the smartest person in the room. But if he were that smart, McCain would be nowhere near as close as he is right now.
July 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So how many hours of tutelage did you spend with Rev Jesse Jackson?
Yours is that old school racial divide nonsense.
Sorry it's the new millienium..and your 'uppity negro' tripe isn't selling.
You might want to crawl back up under that rock so no one has to drill a hole in your skull and pump out all that stupidity.
KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!
July 16, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you wonder why most Americans see Obama (and his supporters) as arrogant. Your puerile ramblings have as much logical consistency as Obama's more recent positions.
July 16, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's a nice good ole boy like you doing in a place like this?
July 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latest headlines from the NYT:
Obama still fails to transform stone into bread
Obama only able to feed hundreds
Obama can't walk on water, but "can swim"
Obama not delivering on commitment to heal lepers
Survey: Obama struggling with Czechoslovakian demographic
Obama's problem with America
Oh, and he's black.
July 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
huh? well can he concentrate in solving our economic crisis????The housing market crisis is a major issue in the upcoming US Presidential Election and has a significant impact for all Americans where Obama and McCain talk about in http://pollclash.com .just like soaring oil prices are affecting the costs of everything from food to gas and even houses rental. There are also significant issues on local and global environmental impact. While there are many issues, we need to look at our next leader and determine which will have the best course of action going forward. Both candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama are attempting to address the issue and differentiate their positions from one another. And I think that everyone is missing the point of this. We need a new resource. We need a solution to this problem not another way around it…
July 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was glad to see the campaign response. I had the same reaction when I read the article. The data have little relationship to their conclusions. When you have a story to tell and reality intercedes, it's always easier to ignore reality. Just ask George Bush.
July 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some people just can't keep from stirring shit up. Just something to do to make the dog days more interesting.
I'm white, old, working class and delighted with Obama. And I know a shit stirer when I see one.
July 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is polling just as strongly with whites as John Kerry did. Who knew that John Kerry was black!
July 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's our take on this whole ordeal from
A poll conducted by the New York Times/CBS found that "[Barack] Obama’s candidacy, while generating high levels of enthusiasm among black voters, is not seen by them as evidence of significant improvement in race relations." The results of the poll in general aren't so shocking- whites are divided in their opinions of Barack Obama while blacks, on the whole, have a generally more favorable view of the Democratic presidential candidate. I know what you are thinking, but its not just the fact that blacks tend to be Democrats while whites make up a majority of both parties. However, this may be a suprise to you:
Yet still, among just Democrats, blacks were more apt than whites in the poll to express positive views of Mr. Obama across a range of questions. For example, black Democrats were 24 points more likely than white Democrats to have a favorable opinion of Mr. Obama.
What does this mean? Well, not too much. Coming out of a long, drawn out primary contest that put two historic candidates up against eachother, there is likely to be some kind of rift in a political party. With the vast majority of blacks voting primarily for Obama (9 out of 10 in most states), it is a no-brainer to see that whites will make up the majority of Democratic voters unsatisfied with Obama. However, as the Seattle Times points out, black and white may not be Obama's real race problem
July 16, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign's response team setup to counter the false/inaccurate information that is being foisted on the American public serves two valuable purposes. It immediately provides a factual counterbalance to the false/inaccurate information being disseminated and it also gives the people who are putting it out to identify themselves as journalists or propagandists. A jounalist will respond by substantiating the accuracy or fallacy of conflicting information, while a propagandist will respond without addressing the the accuracy or fallacy of the information. In either case, the man who is going to be the president of the United States is putting them on notice that he is aware of who they are and what they are saying, and knows the difference between an honest journalist and a lying propagandist.
July 17, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink