New Poll: McCain Leading Among Likely Voters!
Not so fast with all the gloating over Barack Obama's lead in most of the national polls. A new USA Today/Gallup poll gives John McCain the lead among likely voters -- quite possibly the first poll in a long time to show this -- and Obama only a narrow edge among the wider pool of registered voters.
The numbers: Among likely voters, it's McCain 49%, Obama 45%, with a ±4% margin of error. A month ago, Obama led 50%-44% in this group. Among registered voters it's Obama 47%, McCain 44%, compared to Obama ahead 48%-42% last month.
This runs contrary to all the other polls out there, which have Obama ahead in both the registered and likely voter categories. Gallup pollster Frank Newport speculates that for his poll, Republicans are listing themselves as likely voters in greater numbers because of all the press coverage surrounding Obama's overseas trip and the crowds welcoming him in Europe: "At least in the short term it may have had the side effect of energizing Republicans."















Two thoughts:
1) I've always said it's important not to reject a poll just because we don't like what it's telling us. Having said that, this feels off.
2) If this kicks our asses into gear, then good.
I think many of us are taking for granted that certain demographic groups (blacks, youth, etc) will register and turn out in unprecedented numbers, as they did in the primary, but can that energy last? That's the task at hand.
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July 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cosign.
July 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arctangent.
July 29, 2008 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of the many weird things about this poll:
Notice that in June, Obama did better among 'likely voters' than he did among 'registered votes. Now, in July, we have the opposite result with Obama doing worse among 'likely voters' than he does among 'registered voters.' Why is this?
Well, their model for determining 'likely voters' are those who say they're following the race. In June, more Democrats were paying attention due to the primary and its immediate aftermath. Now, a lot of Democrats are tuning out the cable coverage, weighting the 'likely voter' model back towards the GOP.
Also notice that among 'Registered Voters,' Obama's result only changed by a point. In other words, this poll doesn't really show a change. It only indirectly shows a shift in who is now paying close attention to the news.
July 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Greg, you guys really need to put survey dates and sample group (likely vs. registered voters) on the TPM Poll Tracker.
July 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty terrible explanation.
July 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Likely voters at this stage are silly, of course, but even the registered numbers are down. The media, of course, is going to love-love-love covering this. The nature of the beast.
July 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are no crosstabs provided.
At least, the Newsweek poll gave us the info to clearly demonstrate why it was bullshit.
But you're absolutely right, the point was to drive MSM coverage... and another inane post from Kleefield.
July 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the post suggests...likely voters confined to assisted living facilities and nursing homes!
This is why very little energy should be spent on polls in July/August!
July 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can TPM get someone to post poll stories who actually understands polls? Even Gallup said this ludicrous likely voter model is going to be erratic and unreliable in July, yet here I come to TPM, and Eric Kleefield is pissing his pants in glee with a poll that completely contradicts everything taken in the same time period.
July 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that this poll and others that are close should motivate us into high gear, but even Newport doesn't put much faith in this poll. Note that it is within the margin of error.
July 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the article:
Who is a likely voter? In this poll, Frank says, that was determined by how much thought people have given to the election, how often they say they vote and whether they plan to vote in the election in November.
I suspect that Gallup's "likely voter" criteria is skewing the results - in particular, the "how often they say they vote" portion. Obama's ground game has the potential to turn out large numbers of voters who have not voted before.
July 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Republicans are listing themselves as likely voters in greater numbers..."
Silly.
July 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, honest to god, this is ridiculous. One hour one poll says one thing, an hour later another says the opposite.
please - this is as bad as all the confictling medical research out there. One day coffee will kill you, then next day it is a wonder drug.
[rolls eyes]
July 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah sure, Teeny Brains. That's why you've been up here the last couple days woofin' about those new Gallups. LOL
Obatman is here to try and save post-industrial post-modern captialism from the garbage dump of Bushism.
And any keyboard "Leftist" who thinks different should join Tena the Twit at her Tupperware party.
July 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the fuck are you rambling about?
July 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you figure that out, don't bother to translate it for me.
July 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mitchum22, a little nasty troll, has it in for Tena. Routinely posts disgusting personal comments.
July 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say we have Tena's back and kick Michum22's teeth down his fucking throat - comment-wise that is.. :)
July 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Yeah sure, Teeny Brains. That's why you've been up here the last couple days woofin' about those new Gallups. LOL"
"Teeny Brains"? "Obatman"? Jesus Christ, McCain supporters are almost as clumsy as the candidate himself. Almost.
July 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cut them some slack. They're all learning about this "online" thing together. They'll get the hang of it, have some patience.
July 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Massive Democratic turn-out. Period.
No way are there more Repug voters this year than Democratic voters. No. Way.
This is not a typical election year, and the polls are based off of last year (which was exceptional as well, just not as exceptional, no where near it, as this year is gonna be).
Do not believe the polls.
Likely voters, my ass.
July 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
July 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is beneficial for Obama supporters more than anything else.
The coverage of this will be tiresome, of course.
And there will be all the usual spurious causal linkages. Obama has alienated Ohio; the negative McCain ad (that very few people will actually see) is working; that "differentness" of Obama might start being a bigger issue....and so on and so forth.
Could be an excellent time to disconnect cable.
July 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, they'll cite the McCain ad even though it was released after most of this data was collected.
July 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Kleefeld is overreacting. Chances are that a likely voter screen is going to underestimate Obama's support, since he's already shown the ability in the primaries to attract a lot of new voters into the process. Beyond that, the same polling organization has Obama up by an average of eight points in RV over the last nine days. I've never heard of a candidate who had such a large advantage in RV and yet was behind in LV.
July 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Basically this poll says "Obama is ahead according to our poll, however, if you assume twice as many registered dems will not vote than registered repubs, McCain is narrowly ahead. To reach this conclusion we discounted the response of anyone under the age of 22 since they have no history of voting in presidential elections."
July 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't the "likely voter" an invention of '92 or '96, designed to make whichever of those races it was look like more of a horserace?
July 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go; the press has finally gotten their horse race. I have been very suspicious of polls and MSM for weeks now. They finally manipulate a poll to justify their narratives.
July 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The poll doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How can there be more Republican voters than Democrats? It is frankly impossible. The democrats have been registering more voters in the last few months than the republican.
July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
My wife and I worked for the Obama campaign this past Saturday doing voter registration and I totally agree with your comments. We registired 27 people and had one republican and two unaffilated and all the rest registirted as democrats!
July 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The 'likely voter' screen gauges how much people are paying attentions. Democrats have tuned out the conservative cable coverage now that the primaries are over, so 'likely voter' is swinging back to McCain.
If you notice, the 'registered voter' numbers show no significant shift in the state of the race, the only thing that changed is who survives the 'likely voter' filter.
When we approach November, 'likely voter' will shift back towards the 'registered voter' number, and given the massive amount of voter registration being done for Democrats, that 'registered voter' margin will rise too.
July 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, polls technically mean “nothing” until Labor Day. And I think that’s true 99% of the time. But I think this poll makes us Obama supporters keep something in mind: the fact that we cannot get TOO cocky and Obama (and us supporters) must stay focused on the issues.
There are powerful forces at hand in the media and in the Republican Party that will do anything to get McCain elected. We can already see with these ridiculous attack ads that the right is campaigning like it’s 2004 all over again—and Americans are falling for this! I don’t care if this is “Obama’s election to lose”, though it is. Just voting for him is not going to do it: we must get involved in the process and tell our friends and family about how important this election is.
I still don’t doubt seeing an electoral map similar to LBJ’s victory in 1964. But if we sit here complacently and let the media make us “think” this thing will be down to the wire, then we’ll get what we deserve. Period.
July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This poll is so much an outlier its not even funny. I don't give it one iota of credence....the USA Today/Gallup poll is one of the wildest in swings of opinion.
Every other poll released in the last few days has Obama leading:
Research 2000 51% - 39%
Gallup Tracking 48% - 40%
Rasmussen Tracking 48% - 45%
Democracy Corp 50% - 45%
Heck even Fox News has hom leading 41% - 40%.
If any Obama supporters get sucked into fretting over this unreliable poll they really need to stop.
This is where this race stands. Obama leads from mid single digits to high single digits nationally. He leads in all the Kerry states (252 EV) and leads in many Bush states like Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Montana...possibly in Ohio and Florida. He is very close in Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, North Dakota, and others. McCain is NOT ahead!
July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am kind of glad this poll is out though. IMO, the Obama campaign has been far too lax in going after McCain. In June the Obama campaign was hitting McCain every day that he was Bush's third term. Now they are not.
Now this poll will put fire under their belly to be FAR MORE AGGRESSIVE in going after McCain and getting their message out.
The fact that the gallup tracking poll during the same time has Obama ahead makes me think that this gallup "likely poll" has over sampled Republicans. We all know that Gallup doesn't weight their samples so it may be 38% Repubs and only 32% Dems.
But at least this poll will hope fire up the Obama team. They have been playing prevent defense for far too long. Time to start BLASTING.
July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's nice to see that Kleefield is still firmly in the "bitter" category of Hillary supporters. When I saw this poll on RCP, I was expecting him and not Greg to post this story and take delight in what is clearly an outlier of a poll.
July 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you notice how RCP has NOT posted the national Research 2000 poll, yet has posted every red state Research 2000 poll.
July 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first thing I did was to check RCP because I knew they would post the Bullshit McCain poll while ignoring the Research 2000 poll. Don't be fooled people RCP is as right wing as Fox News.
July 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans don't like Europeans. Since when is it a good thing to not have other countries like our potential new leaders? Wouldn't that be a bit warped?
July 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was suppose to be "Republicans don't like Europeans?"
July 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are polls. There is only one poll that actually matters and that's in 99 days. So don't freak out or anything.
USA Today is just trying to fan the flames a bit here. Their pollster says that reg. voters are more important but they headline with the likely voter numbers anyways because it's a better story. They're just trying to have a nice circulation spike for their crappy paper.
Their likely voter number is a sample of 700 at +-4% margin of error - so this is within that range. Registered voter sample is less than 1000 also at +-4%. Compare this to the gallup tracking poll with a sample of 2600 at +-2%. ... And the pollster basically says to dismiss the results as a statistical anomaly.
July 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the immortal words of lolo, yesterday afternoon, August 4 is Obama's birthday. Let's make it a record breaking donation day.
That is the most effective counter to every bit of this bullshit.
The candidate who raised $52 million in June is not - is not - going to lose this election.
Good grief!
July 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it honorable to call your wife a cunt
in public like McCain did?
July 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't wait to hear the list of reasons why McCain was able to pick up the lead.
Obama's failure to acknowledge the surge as a success.
Skipping out on the troops in Germany.
Americans are turned off by Europe's embrace of Obama the rock star. The 200,000 in Berlin was a tad too much.
He still can't connect with white working class men.
McCain's attack on his character is starting to work.
He doesn't have an energy plan and he's against offshore drilling.
The New Yorker cover.
They're going to bring out the big guns. I can hear Chris Matthews now. "Pat, why can't this guy manage to connect with the Dunkin' Donuts crowd?"
July 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone pointed out elsewhere, the last poll to show a McCain lead was USA Today/Gallup's 'likely voter' poll from May.
July 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
all this story needs is steam rising off of it, just like a hot turd.
July 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does stink.
July 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So do your feet.
July 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mystery solved. He's a twelve year old.
July 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the media will make like diarrhea and crap it out all day and all night.
July 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halperin clearly is excited about this poll. I'm sure he had to smoke a cigarette afterwards...
July 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
This pollster dumps 8% of Obama's registered voters and and virtually none of McCain's voters to give him the lead. Assuming that the templates to screen LVs are accurate, which they may well not be, all this poll does is tell us that if voters follow historical patterns (and there are lots of reasons to assume they won't) Obama could get in totrouble. Getting voters into the both on Nov. 4 will be critical.
July 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm finding myself thinking bad words...this is NOT a good thing...
new mantra...don't listen to polls this early, don't listen to polls this early, don't listen to polls this early...
followed by...worrying is not constructive, do something positive, worrying is not constructive, do something positive, worrying is not constructive, do something positive
July 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
How else will they explain a miracle win for McCain when all the exit polls say otherwise. They have to have some data that says McCain really was doing better than everyone thought once they get the fix in. They really cannot have a dem in the White House right now, so close to all the illegal acts. Just wouldn't do you know.
July 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me continue to sip my lemonade ... Gallup was going to give me a head ache for a minute. I’ve got to get off my butt and do something this weekend. I don't want to wait any longer.
July 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no Republican enthusiasm for McCain. He is a plurality default candidate that most Republicans did not want to be their nominee in the first place. Far less than 50% of Republicans who voted in contested primaries voted for John McCain. They voted for Romney, Huckabee, Thompson and Paul instead of John McCain. Democrats will unite further as they see the inevitability of Obama's victory. While Republicans who voted for other Republicans in the primaries won't feel the need to vote for McCain when they see the invitablity of his defeat. If one poll that is so out of synch with so many others gets Republicans exicited, their cupboards of hope must truly be bare.
July 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, like every other poll out there, Obama is at about 48% and McCain is at about 44% unless you cook the numbers.
The big question is whether McCain will ever break above the 44% ceiling?
July 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just something to chew on.
Could the Obama campaign had an inkling something like this was coming out? His comment about "You might even see a little dip in the polls" sounds positively prescient at this point.
July 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you recall the primaries, Obama pretty consistently underperfomed in most polls in states with substantial numbers of minority and young voters. I think you are likely to see the same thing in national polls now that we're in the general election. For that reason, I have continued to believe that the polls showing a close race are just an illusion so that Bill Kristol will be able to spout off in the NYT on how Obama hasn't closed the deal.
The cell phone anomaly alone is likely to give Obama a bump of several points in the election. Pollsters generally call land lines and most of the people I know without them are either young, minority or both.
July 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
DKos posted on cellphones/no landlines a week or two ago. I think, if I remember right, they account for 1% or less. Not as much as you would think. I'll see if I can find that link.
Anyone else, can you confirm or deny?
July 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is McCain leading by 4%? No.
Is Obama leading by 8%? No.
It's still a slight Obama lead.
I say the Rasmussen poll showing Obama leading by 3% is the most accurate.
I hear too many Democrats who supported Hillary who will NOT vote for Obama.
July 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
...then those are REALLY stupid Democrats or were never Democrats to begin with. Thanks for sharing your concern.
July 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that McCain and his utterly incompetent, gaff-a-day campaign have been staying close to Obama in the polls shows a deep, problem with Obama's candidacy. And now McCain is ahead, coming in at almost 50%? Wow! This seems to be repeating the phenomenon we saw at the end of the primary campaign. Hillary was broke, her campaign disintegrating, and everyone knew that she had no chance win. Yet she remained close in the polls and won staggeringly large victories right up to the end. The only difference now, of course, is that McCain is a much worse candidate than Hillary. So what the hell is going on? Is it race? Hostile MSM? Negative attack ads? All of the above? Whatever it is, this poll is shocking news that can't be rationalize away. It confirms Obama's persistently sluggish showing in the tracking polls, and helps explain why his post-trip bounce has already begun to fade. We're looking at a McCain presidency right in its ugly, "real American", oil-besmirched, war-mongering face. Wake up people! The slime machine hasn't even been revved up yet! It's going to take half a billion dollars and about three miracles to get Obama into the White House, so you better start throwing garage sales and praying like crazy or kiss it good-bye.
July 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, she lost. Your analogy sucks.
July 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
As everyone knows, she lost in the front-end of the race due to over-confidence that led to a total neglect of the caucus states. Now let me think. Who would be the over-confident one now? It's a fact: she dogged him in the polls and chalked up a string of handsome victories right to the end. That should not have happened given her crippling liabilities. But the p0int isn't the analogy, of course. Nor it is Hillary Clinton, for crying out loud. The point is that McCain -- you know, the old man with the big mouth who looks so good against a green background -- IS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, and, according to this poll, AHEAD! Get it? What could that be due to, do suppose?
July 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Obama overcame an initial deficit in national polling to establish a large, consistent national lead against Clinton: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#polls
So not only does your analogy suck, not only is your argument an illogical joke, but you have your facts wrong.
This is not a mystery. It's been explained upthread. Every other poll shows Obama with a significant lead. Even this poll shows him with a 3 point lead. However, a questionable 'likely voter' model is applied that skews the poll for McCain by dumping 116 respondents, most of them Obama supporters. That is what the lead is 'due to,' and until something else confirms this absurd result, making prognostications that contradict every other poll taken in the same period just makes you look silly.
July 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right; it would be silly to make prognoses based on one poll. However, all the polls show McCain to be reasonably competitive, including the all-important battleground polls, which show McCain making significant gains. So even if USA Today/Gallup have decided to sacrifice their reputations as pollsters by posting fraudulent results in order to pump McCain, he -- the old dude with the gaff-mouth who looks so swell against lime green and ought to be polling around 39% -- is still most definitely in the running. That seems strange to me. Evidently it doesn't seem so to you, so you can't help me with my "illogical" query: How in heaven's name can Obama be consistently slumming down there in the mid-forties where John McCain hangs out? Even after his recent saturation around-the-world coverage, Obama hasn't broken 50% and is already showing signs of sliding back. I find that perplexing, and think it has something to do with a deeper, invisible, and perhaps intractable cause. Probably race, I don't know.
July 28, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it too late to hire Hillary????
July 28, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary narrowly lost.
50/50 - she won the popular vote.
July 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hillary Clinton lost" is a factual statement that requires no adjective to make it any more true.
Your sock puppet's crappy analogy sucks, this poll is worthless.
July 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I guess if YOU declare it thus and so, it must be thus and so, mustn't it. Hey everybody, Stroszek says the poll is worthless. Yeah, we're winning!
July 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've actually made cogent arguments and explanations all over this thread, all of them supported by data.
July 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Let the country F**K itself.
July 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea, calling them STUPID Democrats will really bring them back in the fold.
The arrogance of some Obama supporters is what infuriates them.
And many of them are FDR Democrats.
July 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love FDR!!! And, yes, they are stupid. Clinton and Obama match up on every metric that matters this year- the war(s), the economy, energy, healthcare, give or take, they match up. McCain ABSOLUTELY NOT. If your friends, or whoever, cannot see that, then Lord, help them.....
July 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
FDR would vote for Obama.
July 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, politics shouldn't be looked at emotionally, if they are holding supporters against the man and the DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM, and letting their emotions get in the way of what should be a logical, rational decision, then I say once again....
Lord, help them!
July 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why r people so worked up over this poll? The pollster can't even give a logical explanation for the finding. This poll is what you call an 'Outlie.'
July 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, the media spin is coming soon...Let's see what they will come up...
The end of the Obama camp? Obama candidacy in jeopardy?
not news worthy of course....
July 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The commentator in the "likely voters" poll says that the Repubs were more "energized". This says to me that the "likely voters" poll OVERSAMPLED Repubs for there is NO WAY is the Repubs more energized than the Dems in this election.
July 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. It's just one poll.
However, it goes with the aggregate at RCP showing Obama up by 3%.
July 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The poll, like all polls taken since early May, shows that Obama has more popular support. If McCain needs to cook the numbers to get a lead, he's totally fucked.
July 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans fall in line.
Democrats fall in love.
Everyone that's going to fall in love with Obama already has. And some are falling out of love. He has peaked.
McCain will only gain as the Republicans continue to line up and Independents get more comfortable with him.
Hillary Clinton remains the best choice for president.
July 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the poll shows no statistically significant shift in popular support for Obama. The registered voter numbers remain almost exactly the same and are in line with Gallup/Rasmussen, both of which show Obama near his peak to date and holding more support than he had prior to the end of the primaries.
Also, Hillary Clinton is no longer a choice, not that a phony Republican liar like yourself cares.
July 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL ALERT....
Fogus2,
Hillary Clinton remains the worse choice for president that is why she lost. Keep that in mind.
July 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Hillary can still use your support.
Please send your contributions her way.
I'm sure you'll get a nice form letter back--that is, of course, if her office can afford the cost of the stamp.
July 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm more excited by Obama than ever! Me!!! A Clinton primary/caucus voter!!! Me, an anti-FISA guy!!! Me!!!
You know why? Because Obama has a solidly DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM, his visit overseas and his speech in Berlin summed up exactly where our foreign policy should be going, because he's incredibly intelligent, a great listener, and an inspiring leader. He refuses to play the nasty games McCain plays. He has a 50 state strategy to win this year and build it up for future races. For those reasons and more I am pumped up for this guy, despite my differences with him on an issue or two.
July 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fugu, like several other of our so-called 'PUMAs', is not a real Clinton supporter.
A little Googling will find him making xenophobic rants and trolling for the California GOP on other forums.
July 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Curious since this is the only board I post to.
Who's the liar here?
July 28, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans fall in line.
Democrats fall in love.
TROLLS keep on TROLLING.
July 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a perfect example of it for you;
July 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
yawn!
July 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good lord, its only one poll and a questionable poll at that. Look up in the upper right corner of the website, Obama is leading in all five polls. RELAX!
July 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
PPS. I voted for Clinton in the MN caucus.
July 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
This election is far from decided.
Somehow, it seems the republicans are once
again driving the narrative, branding the talking points, putting Obama on the defensive--all this after a great tour abroad for
Obama.
We have a lot of work to do.
July 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
HaHa.
Just look at these "politicos"! (Politicos who never leave the house or actually talk to anyone face to face.)
Like chimps in a circle at the zoo tossing around a lump of doodoo.
July 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
We were tossing it around, then you picked it up and ate it and spat it out again in the form of this incomprehensible comment.
July 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Always, the insults. Anything substantial to say, or does the substance just keep coming out of your ass?
July 28, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL ALERT...PUMA ON THE PROWL
Hill supporters CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT HILLARY LOST.
July 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. And we will not be voting for Obama.
July 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh horrors. I'm shaking in my boots in fear that you the other hundred PUMAs will be decisive in the fall.
July 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Typo, you meant hundreds of thousands.
July 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which, if McBush were to win, means you'd be partly responsible for the blood of every soldier who dies in Iraq after 1/20/09 on your hands, sport. Congratulations and don't forget to tell your family so they will be proud!
July 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You stuipid fucker - by all means, McCain is an honorable man who has done much for this country. What has your fucking empty suit done for this country until now? You want to feel good, screw yourself. Do not screw this great country!
July 28, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You stuipid fucker - by all means, McCain is an honorable man who has done much for this country."
More than 30 fucking years ago.. Now, he continuously votes against the troops.
"You want to feel good, screw yourself. Do not screw this great country!"
Shut the fuck up asshat.
July 29, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
it was amazing on hardball just now they showed this poll and gallup and asked why obama can't break 50 percent but why they didn't look at research 2000 that has obama by 51 percent.... this media is so bias
July 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bosshogg,
I'm not surprised by the reaction, the media has always been in the tank for republican presidential candidates. And leave it up to MSNBC and Chris Matthews to obsess over polls.
July 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is still very early in the race. Who cares what the polls say, now. We need to work like heck to make sure every vote gets to the polls and is counted. Not a sure thing unfortuntily.
Now if only we could ban polling 7 to 14 days before the election until after the real poll closes. That would be an important improvement to our democracy because we would actually have to vote, and People in California would not know if their vote really counts or not and go to the poll to vote with knowledge that every vote in every state has equal weight. Like what happens in Canada, all polls open and close at the same time across all time zones.
July 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Including this poll with all the others, without noting the "likely voter" anomaly, is not honest.
Just sayin'.
July 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are pollsters leaving Barr and Nader the hater out of their polling? Obama crushes McCain each time they are included. Toss this one out.
July 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard at least two people, one of which was Pat Buchanan, say that this USA/Gallop is probably skewed toward McCain.
One of them said it was likely older voters, and Pat Buchanan said it was probably Utah voters, lol.
So if THEY'RE saying it, it must REALLY be skewed.
July 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sure is, Research Center:
Obama 51% MCBushSame: 39%
Of course, not mentioned by the media...
July 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This poll smell outliar for miles.
Still a remainder for double our efforts:
The game isn't over until is over.
July 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would be able to dismiss this poll if the following were not true...
This poll was taken on Sunday...
Rasmussen's final day of polling (Sunday) was most likely tied. Obama's numbers are in free fall on Rasmussen.
Gallup tracking showed a similar weakness on Sunday, going from around +11 on Saturday to +4 on Sunday.
This is not the only poll moving in the wrong direction...this one is overstated though...
July 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is quite dismissable because it is not even August yet. Also, the Democratic Convention has not happened yet. Also, polls change everyday and Obama's response could change the results over the week. I want to see the questions.
July 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sobering
July 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama needs somebody with National Security gravitas as his running mate. Voters will only consider voting economic/social issues if they feel the safety/security issue is a wash. This will NEVER be the case if Obama brings on a Governor with no National Security credibility such as Kaine or Sebelius.
If Obama chooses Kaine or Sebelius, McCain will choose a strong security running mate and own that issue and ride it all the way to a November surprise.
I certainly hope Obama doesn't think a speech and a week-long trip will pull him equal with the McCain Brand on national security/foreign affairs issues. I don't care how right he thinks he's been proven to be - when people are thinking about their safety they want a track record. If it's not Biden, Reed, Hagel, Clark or the like I believe Obama will be making a grave error in judgment.
Biden on the ticket would put National Security on the back burner and allow the voter to consider other high priority issues, all of which I believe favors the Dems this election cycle.
July 28, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed is already out by his own statement. And Hagel is likely too because aside from the war he is on the "wrong" side of key Democratic social/domestic issues.
July 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
There really is not one electoral vote count projection (and there are a number of them) that does not show Obama with a healthy lead. That is what matters, not the national polls/percentages. The electoral count wins the election. Heck, Obama is winning or is competitive in traditionally red states! McCain is in trouble which is why he is going negative so early. With the Olympics and the Democratic convention coming up, he has little chance to get a lead in the electoral count. Obama is on the right side of all the main issues (the war, the economy, etc.) within the electorate. And Democratic voter registration is way up over 2004!
July 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can this be? Shouldn't the enthusiasm of Obama's supporters vis-a-vis the relative apathy of McCain's supporters show up here?
July 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
July 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, a couple of things.
Yesterday, Research 2000 gave Obama bigger lead than Gallup/Rasmussen.
Res 2000: Obama +12
Rasm: Obama +5
Gallup: Obama +9
If you average out yesterday's Research 2000 and USA Today's poll:
USAT: Obama -4
Res 2000: Obama +12
Avrg: Obama +4
If you average out USAT/Gallup/Rasm from today:
USAT: Obama -4
Rasm: Obama +3
Gallup: Obama +8
Avrg: Obama +2.33
If you average out yesterday's Res2000/Gall/Rasm and today's USAT/Gall/Rasm what do you get?
Obama +5.5
Thanks for your data USA Today. We'll look forward to averaging out your data with the rest next time.
July 28, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The USAT poll is interesting for a number of reasons -- none of which has very much to do with its accuracy. First, in the LV sample of 791 RV's, McCain leads by 4 points. Now, if you take account of the whole sample of RV's, a total of 900, Obama leads by 3 points. To get that turn around, Obama needs to take nearly 2/3 of the RV sample that did not pass the LV screen. Now, this may not be so inaccurate if, indeed Obama's voters are new voters, with less voting history, and, as a result, less likely to pass the LV screen. Still, it might be evidence of the importance of Obama's ground game in getting all his supporters to the polls. Second, Newport gave two explanations. (A) Obama's trip energized McCain's voters. Unless there is some evidence in the poll that McCain supporters don't like the U.S. looking good abrod, this just seems like something he pulled out of his hat. (B) Newport explained the difference between the Gallup tracking poll and the USAT Gallup poll, apparently two different polls, as statstical noise. Now, that isn't as far fetched as it sounds, because the tracking polls is an RV poll.
Third, Newport also said that, at this stage, RV's are more important than LV's -- its just to far out to got a good feel for who the LV's are. Which makes you wonder why USAT headline makes a big deal of the LV result. Oh, I know, we need a horse race.
July 28, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I know, we need a horse race.
No, "we" -- i.e. USA Toady -- needs a Republican in the White House. It's a Republican paper run by Republicans for a staunchly, and historically, Republican newspaper chain. Gannett has diversified media interests, including TV, radio and billboards. It needs to have good friends at the FCC, the SEC, etc.
And that's really all there is to it -- trust me, I know: I worked at that miserable pile of shit for seven awful years.
July 28, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You stupid left-wing lunatics, if you are not nervous, how come are there so many comments on this poll? Your man is nothing but a feel-good story. Would you hire a plumber who can talk but has done no plumbing before? the good thing is Americans overall know better. Down with your pipe dream to the toilet of forcing an empty suit on us!
July 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You stupid left-wing lunatics, if you are not nervous, how come are there so many comments on this poll?"
..I think a better question would be to ask, if you aren't nervous, why in the world would you embarrass yourself on a liberal website for christs sake? Inquiring minds want to know..
"Would you hire a plumber who can talk but has done no plumbing before?"
A better question would be to ask, "Would you hire a plumber whose incompetence has flooded more that 200 houses thus far?"(McCain and the foreign policy blunder that is Iraq)
"Down with your pipe dream to the toilet of forcing an empty suit on us!"
He's leading in every poll, clumsy victory laps makes you look like a drooling lunatic.
July 28, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a larger agenda and political pressure on Obama about his VP choice with the "turn" in polls???
Adam Nagourney's rather brazen "push" piece:
Given the political strength Mrs. Clinton exhibited as she dueled with Mr. Obama to the end of the primary season, it is conceivable — say, if polls over the next few weeks suddenly show him struggling against Senator John McCain — that Mr. Obama would turn to her.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/us/politics/29dems.html?hp
July 28, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
When it comes to dramatic poll results like this one, I would almost always recommend Nate's take at fivethirtyeight.com. If nothing else, it's worth following his links - including, here, an article on problems with Gallup's Likely Voter model.
July 29, 2008 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is how the press will report the final poll:
OBAMA ROMPS IN MASS-TURNOUT ELECTION
*Historic Candidacy Captured Imaginations*
Overjoyed Dems Hope for Filibuster-Proof Senate in Final Vote Tally.
Suprising strength even in "red" districts.
July 29, 2008 5:12 AM | Reply | Permalink