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New Obama Response Ad Uses Same Tactics That Worked Against Hillary
This is pretty interesting: Barack Obama is up on the air with an ad responding to McCain's recent spot blaming him for higher gas prices:
Obama's ad, which will run in the same states that McCain's spot is running in, derides McCain's broadside as the "same old politics." The rub here is that Obama is reprising precisely the same response he used multiple times against Hillary in the primary, casting McCain's attacks as "old politics," thus responding to McCain while amplifying his own message. Hey, if it ain't broke...
It should also be noted that McCain's ad is ludicrously easy to deride.
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I'm just glad to know someone in the Obama camp is actuallt paying attention.
It seemed McLame can call Obama anything and everything and would be harshly and thoroughly quelled by a Bill Burton response.
July 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Decent ad, pretty effective, but I'm disappointed to see (hear) Obama piling onto the bogeyman of oil speculators.
From what I've read, the price of oil reasonably reflects the supply-and-demand positions of the primary buyers and sellers. There seems to be little evidence that the futures and options markets are having a tail-wagging-the-dog effect on market oil prices.
FWIW, this conclusion is based wholly on the persuasiveness of other commentators (Frank Rich and/or Paul Krugman). I don't have enough first-hand knowledge of the markets to to bet my life on this :-)
July 30, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The way I understand it, jzap, is that when you hear stories about how the price of oil is at $140 / barrel or whatever, that's actually a futures contract price - in other words, that's what people are betting the price will be when it's time for delivery at some point in the future (usually a month or so from now, IIRC). The futures market in any commodity is speculative by definition, thus rendering Obama's ad at least technically accurate.
Of course, I could be wrong about this whole thing, and if that turns out to be the case, please accept my mea culpa in advance.
July 30, 2008 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just glad to know someone in the Obama camp is actuallt paying attention.
It seemed McLame can call Obama anything and everything and would be harshly and thoroughly quelled by a Bill Burton response.
July 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It should also be noted that McCain literally represents "old politics."
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July 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it. It must take dozens of takes with the narrator to get one where he's not laughing hysterically.
July 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, the McCain campaign is using the same tactics that Hillary did. Why can't Obama use the same tactics to respond if they worked the first time?
July 29, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beat me to it.
So, uh, +1
July 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually these "tactics" make more pertinent here. In Old Politics- may be Hillary was the focus of "politics" but McLame is certainly the embodiment of "Old."
July 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Ob tactics work the first time? She did very well it seems in the latter part of the primary season. Am I wrong?
I would like to see Ob go on the attack first for a change.
July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually think that Hillary Clinton got stronger because of her negative attacks, and the fact that Obama wasn't responding back to her effectively.
July 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Simple and effective. That's the key.
July 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mmmm, friendly derision...
July 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice the way it frames McCain, then leaves the viewer with 3 effective ways an Obama Administration would address the issue in concrete ways ...
July 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain grew up when the name "Radio Flyer" still invoked technological wonder. Old politics indeed.
July 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even as we speak, Ye Olde Republican Candidate has taken Quill in hand to scratch out a sharp response. Goose Quills; the internet devises of Janus McCain's day!
July 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone please explain how speculators trading contracts based on the underlying price of a commodity and settled in cash can actually play any role in increasing the price of that commodity? I think "speculators" are mostly a bogeyman to complement the other sides "drill now" bogeyman.
July 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. The emails I've been getting from the CEOs of Delta, United, etc. are laughable. They're crying because they didn't lock in oil prices when they were low, the way Southwest did.
July 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the issue wasn't on "speculation" per se, but the secrecy of that speculation.
July 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Involves an arcane principle called "supply and demand," as I understand it. Apparently, there is some evidence that the more people there are bidding on a product, the higher the price of that product goes.
July 29, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happens in the oil market is the same thing that happen in the tech bubble and the housing boom. People start talking about oil prices going up. Money people enter the market and oil prices go up even higher. Soon oil prices are higher than the fundamentals dictate.
The markets for energy and other commodities aren't as efficient as the market for stocks and bonds due to incomplete information. Which makes it much easier to speculate.
July 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can answer your question. But gas doubled in a year. Was that just demand?
July 29, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I happen to trade oil and I absolutely believe that speculation increases prices. With any traded security there is "smart money" and "dumb money". A problem occurs when there is more "dumb money" trading a commodity than "smart money". They will either over buy or over sell based on principles not truly rooted in the factors that affect the pricing of the commodity.
At the end of the day it just creates another bubble. I believe that a stock bubble is fine, sure people lose money but they knew what they were getting into. A commodities bubble is very bad because people who are not trading the product are affected. So basically every dollar I make trading oil is at the expense of the average joe. Every dollar I make trading stocks is at the expense of other people trading stocks.
My co-workers (derivatives trades), btw, don't believe speculators are responsible for the rise in oil prices but methinks they're a little biased.
I can go into more detail of why we are in a commodities bubble if need be it's quite a long story. :)
July 30, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you're trading actual contracts of oil for delivery, not derivatives right? If so I absolutely believe that your trading will affect the price of the underlying commodity. If you're trading derivates, no, it's just a paper contract with a price based on the underlying commodity. It has no net effect on underlying demand.
The fact is that oil supply is tight and subject to disruption and instability and actually shrank last year while oil demand continued to grow. This can explain a price increase without the influence of speculators. No producing country is leaving oil in the ground in anticipation of higher future prices. Other commodities have increased more than oil even though they are not traded on global markets. There aren't signs of a speculative bubble.
July 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done!
Not sure why Greg implies that there's something wrong with using the same type of response used against Hillary's spurious charges...
Since the McSame ads have run in Ohio, I can't wait to see this response ad on local TV.
July 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't read it as him saying anything is wrong with it, if anything I think it implies, correctly, that Hillary used McCain-like tactics when attacking Obama, like flat out lies. It is just easy to push back in the same way when they both attacked Obama from the right on energy policy with gas tax pander scheme.
July 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
McShame is running the lamest campaign I have ever seen. It's like he went out and got Pee-Wee Herman for his campaign manager. Every response is on the order of, "I know you are, but what am I"? The fact that he is still in the race has to suggest, either the pollster don't know what the hell they are talking about; or the American electorate is the largest group of dumbasses on the face of the planet! After 8 years of Bush, I fear the latter!
July 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was very pleased to see this ad last night here in St. Louis. It was really kind of funny because they showed the Obama rebuttal ad, and then almost immediately afterward (there may have been one commercial in between them) they showed the McSame attack ad that provoked the response.
July 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting...so even though this hasn't come up for a single boat since McCain flip-flopped on the issue, it is Obama's fault? Even though McCain has been in the Congress longer opposing offshore drilling than Obama? Even though if offshore drilling had been approved on Obama's first day in office not a single drop would have been produced even today? Even though Bush just lifted the Executive ban on drilling, so up until a week or so ago HE was standing in the way of drilling? It is STILL somehow Obama's fault?? LOL!!!:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/07/mccains-laughable-oil-ad-and-response.html
July 29, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It might have worked in small caucus states and with democrats in heavily red states that McCain is going to win anyway but it did not work in large electoral vote states and it most certainly did not work in the second half of the primary season. The tactic may not be broken but I'd be careful before it shatters.
July 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see if any of talking heads give this as much air time as they did Mcdesparate
July 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I particularly liked the incredulity of the narrator's voice when dismissing the ad, how quickly McCain's claims were dismissed, and how they managed to get in serious policy positions into it. They took something negative and made it into an opportunity for Obama to reiterate good ideas.
Using his opponent's momentum against him...
July 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Trouble never hangs around,
When he hears this mighty sound:
Here he comes to save the day!
Obatman is on the way!
When there is a wrong to right,
Obatman will join the fight!
On the sea or on the land,
He's got the situation well in hand!
Here he comes to save the day!
Obatman is on the way!
July 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ad may be effective to a point, but it peters out into nice wonkishness. Obama needs to say something specific he is proposing to help downscale families who are struggling NOW with higher costs. McCain's drilling proposal works that way -- not really as a solution, but as a metaphor for immediate action. People will appreciate the stance, even if they sort of know the ideas are bull.
I have my doubts that Demcoratic intra-primary tactics will work for the general election, and we might want to keep in mind that they did not work all they well for Obama versus Clinton in the last two months of the primaries, either.
Summer time is crucial, and Obama seems to be using it mainly for biographical positioning. Why can't he do some tight, tough comparison ads on concrete bread and butter issues like Social Security and health care -- to pin McCain back a bit? Now that McCain has gone ruthlessly negative on character issues, contrast ads on issues where Obama/Dems have a huge advantage would seem mild by comparison.
Having an entire election about whether Obama seems too "risky" -- or is really safe and reassuring -- seems strategically unwise to me. Why not do some work this summer in key issue areas to define McCain as risky, too? His health care plan, for example, is a radical threat to existing health benefits for millions of middle class Americans, as well as being totally inadequate to deal with no insurance or high co-pays for the un- or underinsured. And McCain's Social Security ideas are equally radical and threatening. Voters do not know these things. Tell them now -- and then tell them again in October. Democrats often seem to think they need only say things once, but repetition is the key with regular folks. (That turns out to be true in college lectures, too, but professors have been slow to learn it...)
Theda Skocpol
July 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You said it a lot better than I did.
July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto!
July 29, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Theda:
You should send this as a email to the Obama camp. You never know, good ideas.
July 29, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
im happy that obama has a team to respond to mcsame ads.... it's nice to know he wont be swift boated .............
July 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not exactly the same. Nobody's calling McSame a bitch or a cunt, like y'all did to Hillary.
July 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, now that we've established that you're a liar, is there anything you'd actually like to add to the discussion?
July 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. We save all the cunt talk for McCain.
July 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it was a McCain supporter who asked McCain "how do we stop the bitch".
Since you are suggesting that we call McCain by such derogatory names for a women, is there something that you wish to share with us about McCain's actual gender, and did you discover it, while you were being up close and personal with the Senator?
July 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not exactly the same. Nobody's calling McSame a bitch or a cunt, like y'all did to Hillary.
July 29, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Clinton is my Senator, and please don't call her names in disguise. She deserves respect, all our respect.
July 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
EastWest, the epitome of the concept of the high noise to signal ratio of the internet.
What the internet needs is a stupid filter.
Obama: It's clobberin' time!
McCain: I'm so gonna lose.
July 29, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
As they used to say on the old F*uckedCompany message boards:
PLOSTFU (please link, or shut the f*ck up).
KTHXBAI.
July 30, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
My mom told me of a campaign a few years ago iin my home town of Columbus, Ohio. A Black city councilman, Michael Coleman, was running for mayor against a GOPer city councilwoman. She ran an add accusing him of being tangentially involved in something that happened in Toledo. So he ran a response add. In it, he denied being involved in the Toledo thing. He also denied starting the Chicago fire, the Hindemberg, etc.
I wish Barack's people had thought of doing something real hard hitting like that. Something edgy but funny that would make you say "Ole Uncle John, he can't help himself."
July 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Simple and effective ad. I'm glad he finally responded.
July 29, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would like any response to include the millions of acres in oil leases that have not been developed by the big corporations. I think most everyone feels that the oil companies are only trying to take advantage of the situation that they manufactured. Just a list of all the different companies that own leases that aren't being developed rolling in a background graphic showing acreage would be nice. Maybe cross reference these companies with McCain campaign donations.
July 29, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno. I think it's kind of lame.
I want him to point out in detail how McCain's charges & claims are false, and I want him to directly address the drilling issue providing counterpoints to the R's claims.
Obama said he wouldn't treat McCain with the same kid gloves treatment he gave Hillary, but so far, he seems to be even more laid back in his responses. I hope there's stronger stuff down the road.
July 29, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Might be good idea to run an ad stating how much money McCain has gotten from oil companies. Not just for this campaign but throughout his political career.
July 29, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
This ad is weak. In fact all of Obama's commercials suck. They're so plain and political. You'd think he of all people would come at us with something new.
July 29, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's negative attacks are an act of desparation that only provide a reason to vote against Obama. I think it's too early to get into a punch/counterpunch strategy. This ad is a good balance between rebutting McCain's nonsense and giving people reasons to vote for Obama rather than against McCain. I also like that it includes the web address to get further information.
July 29, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You Obamabots are funny. Yeah, wow what a great come back Obama. Ha, cracks me up!!! What is really gonna crack me up is when Obama and McCain do the debate ( McCain wanted many debates/townhall meetings and Obama only wanted one for some reason} well, anyways when the debate is here and McCain will prove that he is the voice of experience and wisdom and Obama will be struggling for words, yeah I'm gonna laugh my butt off at that. Then , in November, when Obama loses I really am gonna laugh...out loud.
July 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any time you can mention McCain and old in the same breath you can drive home dual messages.
July 29, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love that smile.
How about an ad that justiposes the McCain grimace grin with Obama's light up the room smile ...
And yah, I can't wait for the debates either. Listen to McCain mispeak the names or locations of key countries and remind us over and over he was tortured in the last war the US should never have gotten into and waited too long to leave.
If you think that's judgement, well, I guess you've backed the right guy. Maybe cutting taxes on the idiots who've brought us the mortgage crisis and oil speculation will help you pay your bills, but it doesn't do much for me.
July 29, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain mispeak the names of key countries. Well, thats a hell of alot better than saying your going to visit all 57 states like Obama did. Hey please tell your candidate if he going to run for President of this great country he should at least get the number of states right.
July 30, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
PeyPey, you silly, silly person. I really thought that the last eight years of Georgie Boy would wake EVERYONE up, but I guess it's really true: Some people NEVER learn.
July 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just watched the McCain ad again for the first time since the original post. (I wanted to have the direct contrast in mind). I'm glad I did. At the end of the advert, just before the "I'm John McCain and I approved this message" bit, the voiceover states "Don't hope for more energy... Vote for it..."
I know exactly how they intended "more energy," but I really, really, really, don't think they want to go there. That was just one absurdity among many. But it was the closing absurdity. And I can see the obvious wisecrack being tossed out from couches across America...
July 30, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with this response is that Obama barely beat Hillary. So, it's pretty safe to say this response has limited utility. What the Obama people need to do is to smash McCain. This sort of thing has it's use, but it won't deliver anything close to the knockout blow Obama will need to win in November.
July 30, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know what to think.
I went through this whole emotional cycle during the primaries. It started in the early days when I just could NOT understand why Barack was being so passive and quiet -- campaigning, as Kos noted, as if he were the frontrunner, despite trailing by 20+ points in many polls.
Then, boom, he wins Iowa. Wins BIG in Iowa. And suddenly I thought, this guy Axelrod is a genius. All along they were saying stuff about timing, about Barack coming along at just the right pace, not peaking too early, and wow -- they were right! All the way through February this seemed like the perfect candidate running the perfect campaign.
Then Hillary got out the Ginzu knives and started winning primaries and pretty much driving the campaign narrative, and I couldn't figure out what the Obama camp was thinking. It was pretty clear they were gonna win, but was it wise to limp across the finish line, all battered and bloody?
So now ... here we go again. McCain has gone stark Roving mad and is throwing every knife in the drawer at our golden boy. Is it wise to let this continue? There are five or six (or maybe 10 or 20) separate and simultaneous lines of attack, some official and others driven by e-mail and talk radio and whatnot -- and we're supposed to feel reassured because the Obama team has put out a soft-spoken response to **ONE** of them?
On the other hand, maybe this Axelrod guy is a genius, and it's all a matter of timing, and the main event in November is Iowa all over again, for keeps. I just really don't know.
July 30, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink