New Obama Radio Ad Hits McCain As "Shameful" For "Makin' Stuff Up"
A source sends over a copy of a sharp new radio ad the Obama campaign will release a bit later today responding to this earlier RNC ad claiming Obama will hike taxes.
The Obama ad hammers McCain for the spot, saying the Arizona Senator is "shameful" for "makin' stuff up," and links the mendacity to Bush and Karl Rove. Give it a listen:
The ad will run in parts of Virginia and Ohio, sources say. Transcript after the jump.
MAN: Oh man - he's starting already...WOMAN: What now, honey?
MAN: John McCain. He's got new ads attacking Barack Obama on taxes.
WOMAN: Well, that's not new. Bush, McCain, Karl Rove - that's how those guys work.
MAN: Oh yeah, but this is shameful. He's just makin' stuff up.
WOMAN: Yeah?
MAN: But get this. Independent sources are putting McCain in his place. I went to FactCheck dot org. They said quote "it's not true."
WOMAN: Huh.
MAN: And look what Time says. Quote, "It makes sense that McCain is returning to the old playbook. But that doesn't mean he can just make up his own facts." End Quote.
WOMAN: Yowza! So what's the truth?
MAN: Obama's plan cuts taxes on the middle class - and won't raise taxes on anybody making less than two hundred fifty thousand a year. But McCain wants billions in new corporate tax breaks...and no way to pay for it.
WOMAN: Hmm. Sounds like George Bush all over again.
MAN: Guess that's why they say: John McCain - McSame as Bush!
WOMAN: Uh-huh.
Voiceover: On taxes, get the facts. Visit BarackObama.com
Obama: I'm Barack Obama, candidate for President, and I approve this message.
I like that ad--cuts right through the bullshit :-)
July 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
agree. was strong.
July 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
They can just recut it for every topic.
July 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
this Obambi man is so intellectually dishonest. this man intends to raise ceiling on social security tax which will hurt high income high expense high local tax area like New York and New Jersey greatly. this man will revert top tax bracket to 39.5% and capital gain tax to 28%. Is there any tax this Nobama man does not touch? Calling him a tax raiser is lying? Gimme a huge break!
this young man knows no ettiquette. He calls Senator Clinton Hillary, President Clinton Bill, President Bus George Bush, and Senator McCain John McCain or McCain. I know his father left home early but did his mother teach him be respectful to other people?
this man keeps calling other people liars but himself the biggest liar of all.
"Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted."
July 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lot's of faux outrage here. This was in response to an RNC ad claiming that he would raise taxes on those making less than $32M. It's not factually true by any stretch of the imagination.
July 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, you just trot along back to the PUMA cottage for another injection of hatred, like a good little Republipuppet!
July 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
it appears I have a good company here.
July 11, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Feel free to walk off into the sunset with Foghat any time!
July 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
No sweets, you have us confused with Rush.
July 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm thinking this is a paid troll
the mcsame campaign is so totally in the ditch that subverting the opposition is his only hope
so we get mental midgets like this, trying to distract us
here's a tip
don't feed the trolls
July 11, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Comment above is for that hot little hate merchant Aimey May (kiss kiss).
July 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yo Aimey:
Kiss My Irish Ass!
July 11, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are kissing a liar's ass. You can take pride in that.
July 11, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Aimee, we Irish just love everybody. You must be republican nationality then.
July 11, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conservatives and Republicans are congenital liars. They get it along with their mother's milk like poison. It can be reasonably assumed that they are liars, fools or both and that they are often mentally ill - particularly Anti-Social Personality Disorder, Paranioa and Narcissistic Personality disorder. Obvious examples are Bush, Rove, Cheney, McCain and Phil Gramm and their followers.
Strangely, the allegations that Obama is lying all seem to come from lying conservatives and Republicans. Projection, no doubt. Since we know from history (Iraq? Torture?) that those sources are lying whenever they speak or write, it is clear, Aimey, that you are lying. You are so toxic that someday you will approach your keyboard and find it cringing away to avoid your touch. It might not even be a hallucination resulting from the drugs you have to take so that you can stand to remain in the same room with yourself.
Like a snake, you just can't help yourself, can you?
July 11, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has burned a lot of people, and been an asshole while doing so. I am sure the sting of this will wear off before the election gets too serious, but for now, there are a lot of BO bashers that actually voted for him already (me). You sound ridiculous calling everyone that is pissed at him a repug troll.
How about admitting that nothing this guy says can be taken too seriously. Just another snake.
Might still have to vote for him. If I wasn't in a swing state -- no way. I think he's a bullshitter. Just what we need.
July 13, 2008 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're calling him "Obambi", yet whining that he shows no respect? Pot, kettle, black.
He's a Senator, too, you know.
July 11, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, he's a senator for about 3.5 years. He should be respectful to his colleagues and the Presdient of the U.S.
July 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how long have you served in the Senate?
July 11, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey May! The President of the United States is a dick! And you should please respect that fact!
July 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, weren't PUMA people supposed to be angry "Democrats?"
Stay in character, Aimee.
July 11, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimee May! Oh, you are one of the "just mental recession" folks Phil Gramm was referring to, now I get it! Hey, just go take your meds; you'll feel better and maybe you can even "quit whining"!
July 11, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't "Aimey May" a supposed Hillary supporter? lol. Sure... Who just happens to be spouting every Faux News and RNC talking point, all day, every day.
It's always been obvious they're just Freepers and winger trolls trying to drive wedges. They pop up in large numbers every campaign season. Some have no life and actually think they're being clever. Others are paid to stealth troll online, much like telemarketers.
What's amazing is they're actually stupid enough to think we don't know!
July 11, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Operation Chaos, still very much in play. I'm guessing the majority (not all of course) of those who are members of PUMA and "justsaynodeal" etc., are all part of Operation Chaos.
July 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yes, you expect Senator Barack Obama to scrape and bow, and say "Yes, Massah", do you want me to dance a jig?
Also, anytime a Republican radio talker or troll talks about being "intellectually honest" or "intellectually dishonest", you are about to be lied to. Saying big words doesn't make you smart, it just makes you think that maybe you can fool some people into thinking you are smart.
You're just a racist radical rightie.
July 11, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillaryis44 people are so intellectually dishonest.
they know no etiquette. they can't even spell etiquette. They call Senator Obama "Obambi" and that is not his name. Didn't their mothers teach them to be respectful to other people?
PUMAs simply cannot be trusted. PUMAs cannot be trusted on any issue. PUMAs cannot be trusted by their "friends." PUMAs cannot be trusted by their enemies. PUMAs simply cannot be trusted.
July 11, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my!!! That was really a silly, outrageous, and not-factual post. Must be a McCain supporter. The thing I love about Obama (besides his wonderful life story, his history of work for the poor, his election story, his interesting books, and his legislative history) is the fact that he is not putting up with the GOP attack squads. What a brilliant person he is to have what it takes to get this mess, the one that Bush and McCain have produced, straightened out. Further, it is wonderful to see our country grow up enough to have had a woman, a black, a Hispanic and many others run for our highest office. Makes me VERY proud of the Democratic Party and of our country. And I have been a Republican until the Bush junta ruined the Republican brand with their malfeasance. This is indeed a sad era for Republicans.
July 11, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is snark right? If not, you are one ugly soul. OF all the things to be truly unattractive about, this is pretty straight forward. How do you react when something really affronting happens? Actually, I'd rather not know.
July 11, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calls them by their names???
You're right, that Obambi man sure is one uppity n - oh wait, we're not supposed to be THAT blatant are we?
July 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really have to be kidding. Obama is very bright and will not just sit still like John Kerry did when the Republicans try to distort what he says. I know it is very difficult for Republicans these days. House and Senate seats that are open all teetering like they are. Then there are the seats of most Republicans that are vulnerable. And now, poor John McCain in such a bad state. But these continuel lies Republicans are passing out are just so unbelievable, they forced this moderate Republican out of the party and I am now a registered independent. However I am so tired of the malfeasance of Republicans and particularly with GW Bush that I just had to leave the party. I will use my independent vote to stop the slimy Republicans in primaries and vote for the ones who want to run to try to save the party I had belonged to for years and years.
July 13, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
You really have to be kidding. Obama is very bright and will not just sit still like John Kerry did when the Republicans try to distort what he says. I know it is very difficult for Republicans these days. House and Senate seats that are open all teetering like they are. Then there are the seats of most Republicans that are vulnerable. And now, poor John McCain in such a bad state. But these continual lies Republicans are passing out are just so unbelievable, they forced this moderate Republican out of the party and I am now a registered independent. However I am so tired of the malfeasance of Republicans and particularly with GW Bush that I just had to leave the party. I will use my independent vote to stop the slimy Republicans in primaries and vote for the ones who want to run to try to save the party I had belonged to for years and years.
July 13, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Senator O'bama doesn't owe "President" B*sh any respect. I'd have more sympathy for the argument of "respecting the office", if Dubya had acquired that office legitimately. Dubya was never the duly elected POTUS.
July 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
July 11, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Flufferwink, whew, didn't want it out there I was an Aimee May fan :-)
July 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sucked like they all suck. You could change McCain to Obama and run the same stupid commercial. Just a tired old political ad. It will work ok I am sure, but don't soil yourself over it. "Cuts through the bullshit" How? BO slings way more BS than McCain. Even if you are voting for BO, surly you can admit that? Isn't that what everyone is praising as "genius?" That he running a more sophisticated (barley) version of what we have seen from Rove / Bush?
Anyone who listened to the "not this time" crap knows about candidates "making stuff up"
July 13, 2008 3:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Based on that text I didn't see what they claim Obama is fabricating?
Sound like this ad is what is bullshit.
July 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
My error:
Based on that text I didn't see what they claim McCain is fabricating?
Sound like this ad is what is bullshit.
July 11, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that this ad in meant in response (at least in part) to this McCain ad. I hope that helps.
July 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly you haven't thought much about this ad because it's the LACK of info on McCain's attacks that makes it so effective. When you repeat false info a lot of people end up believing it. As Ron Burgundy says: It's science. By going with the blanket bit about McCain falsely attacking Obama on taxes, it conditions people to believe ANY McCain attack on Obama's tax policies is b.s. without reinforcing the very smears they're trying to knock down. Pretty smart of them. Class dismissed.
July 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
So this is a dishonest attack ad in itself, correct?
July 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, not really.
July 11, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not even close. If you make a dishonest claim I do not have to repeat your lie to call it a lie and you a liar.
July 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope.
July 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
No this is not an attack ad it is a RESPONSE ad, he is responding to the lies in McSames ad
July 11, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right wing "bully" logic.
A similar logic claimed that it was the Poles who started WW II when they rejected the otherwise "peaceful" invasion of their country by the German army. Why, when the same army earlier invaded Czechoslovakia, the Czechs didn't shoot at them so war was not started.
Obviously right-wingers will claim that WW II was started by the intransigent Poles, not by the German invaders.
Same "bully" logic. Obama fights back, so he is somehow starting the nastiness.
I take the side of the Poles in 1939 and Obama this year. That's the side of Freedom.
July 11, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Obama's ad is like political judo. It uses McCain's own lies against him, and it does it very effectively.
July 11, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I ask again:
Aren't you PUMA people supposed to be angry "Democrats?"
Why have you all suddenly broken character? Is that game no fun anymore?
July 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tripped yourself up there Arse Troll, when you accidentally spoke the truth. Dr. Freud said that you need to hitch up your slip straps.
July 11, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty good ad.
July 11, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that they have the man say at the end "Guess that's why they say: John McCain - McSame as Bush!" That will catch easily in the minds of the listeners. Well done.
July 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! I was gonna say the same thing. I LOVE that they slipped "McSame" in there. :)
July 11, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
can you say "SOUND BITE"
that's why we got all the trolls trying to distort this
this has got soundbite written all over it
mccain = mcsame as bush
mcsame as bush
gotta a nice beat, and a clean resonance
I think we got the winning slogan here
July 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an aside:
Would anyone with retirement savings and pensions invested in the stock market benefit from lower corporate taxes?
Just asking?
July 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
No.
July 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong answer. To the back of the line sock puppet.
July 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong on you my friend. I know the answer you are going for, lower taxes, higher profits and thus increased share price. In theory that is usually the case, but reality in this case is different.
There is a CREDIT CRISES and the lack of liquidity in the financial markets generally. All of which, of course, leads to lowered consumer demand and as I'm sure you are aware the US economy is largely driven by, yep, you guessed it consumption. And let's not get started with the oil bubble, rising food prices. Cutting corporate taxes is not going to solve those problems nor increase share prices in the manner that the theory suggests.
July 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you know economics, you know demand driven growth is short-lived and it is inflationary. Only supply driven growth, which lowers price and provide jobs, is long-term sustainable. With no capital investment, no long term growth. Who invest your money better? the government or the private sector? Government spends; private sector invests
July 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh lookie! Aimee May's been taking the Rush Limbaugh correspondence course in supply side economics! Chapter one, how to throw around economic jargon so that people who don't know better might be fooled into thinking you have some freakin' clue!
July 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phoebe: Love your avatar. Every time I see it I still laugh.
July 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phoebe: Haven't seen you around these parts for a while. Welcome back!
July 11, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn! I'm just putting the facts out regarding our current economy not the economy we use to have.
July 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you think your Obama man can change the law of economics?
July 11, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't my issue chief, just answered the question posed--which was unrelated to supply and demand (about corporate taxes and the impact a reduction in the rate would have on 401(k) and other investment accounts). Try to keep up.
July 11, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree Aimey.
The goverment invests in roads, bridges, and transportation infrastructure. It invests in education of our children. It invests in things like public safety, police, courts and judges. Without these things doing business would be rather difficult.
But somehow giving corprations flush with cash more money somehow makes them invest. I don't see companies investing money in themselves just because they have money lying around. It usually ends up in the pockets of people who need it the least.
July 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"it invests in roads, bridges...education...public safety"
well, not when republicans get their way.
no wonder the economy goes in the tank every time we get a repug prez.
July 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, hold on... why is an angry Clinton supporter complaining about government spending?
Are you telling me Aimee May's support for Clinton was all a lie? My world just crumbled!
July 11, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he/she should have pulled a Billy Glad maneuver and changed to a completely new name and avatar. Then he/she would not appear to be such a slimy poser.
July 11, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is actually more or less true, except for the word "only". Sticking that in there is a true mark of anti-progressivism, since it precludes even the possibility of considering other ideas.
The ugly underbelly of supply-side economics never got so much as a nod, either, making it a misleadingly true-ish statement.
You can learn a lot about a person's psychology by examining their assumptions and omissions (and observing whether or not they are aware of them), which in turn helps understand the way they form their views of the world.
So subsidize things we need, like green energy infrastructure. Properly applied subsidies (instead of welfare for already profitable corporations with disproportionate political clout) offset increased capital gains taxes and stimulate economic growth.
They also leverage the ability to influence the direction of economic growth toward the government, whose duty is to serve the well-being of society, and away from corporate entities, which have no such mandate and promote goods and services that are antithetical to a healthy society.
A balance must be struck, but right now the corporations have far too much power, which is the largest part of the reason Congress is malfunctioning.
It takes a balance of both.
One thing we DO need to do, which some responsible Republicans have been saying for years (yes, there is such an animal, but it's on the verge of extinction due to habitat degradation by neocons and neuroendocrine disruptors like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh) is raze the system of Congressional earmarks to the ground, pour salt on the earth where it grew. If we could get government to stop playing games with irresponsible fiscal practices, we could not only make Democrats happy by freeing up funds for critical infrastructure and social programs (which cost a fraction of what is wasted and handed to the already-wealthy), but also make Republicans happy by shrinking government.
Size does matter. But it's also how you use it.
July 11, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not true. All investment is aimed to fill a recognized preexisting demand. New products create their own small demand, then the successful ones grow larger product-markets. Investment on any significant scale always is aimed at provable consumer markets or at the production processes that supply such provable consumer markets. There is no investment unless there is a known demand to fill, and it all starts with the final consumer.
Downturns in the traditional business cycle normally start because because businesses invest and produce too many goods that consumers do not buy. When the cost of warehousing those unpurchased goods gets to large, the businesses lay off workers and shut down assembly lines. The layoffs lower consumer income with the result that demand for the unsold goods drops and the economic downturn occurs.
That's what happens when businesses have too much money to invest and do not react to changes in consumption patterns. That's a predictable result of supply-side economics.
Two points to consider.
1) Currently the Recession we are living through (that is concealed by unrealistically low interest rates) is caused by a shortage in demand. This is obvious because American corporations are awash in cash that they do not know where to invest and have been since about 2001.
2) The large American corporations that are making a profit right now are making most of it outside the United States. Look at Ford's recently reported profit for example.
The clear conclusion is that giving additional government money to corporations without strings on how and where to spend it will either increase their cash balances more or cause them to invest it (and create more jobs) OUTSIDE the United States.
There is no shortage of investable capital. There is a real shortage of demand for goods and services. That tells you that there will be NO GROWTH caused by giving more unneeded money to corporations which are already awash in cash they don't know how to invest.
Supply side economics is and always has been a crock. It is an excuse to give government money to already wealthy bankers who know only how to collect fees and interest but cannot create real world businesses that create goods and services and create jobs. Bankers and MBAs use computers - they don't create jobs.
Only engineers (sometimes supported by a few effective marketing researchers - who should not be the final decision makers in developing new products) create new products, new businesses and new jobs. Our bankers and MBA's have been exporting American engineering and technical jobs since Reagan was elected. It's exactly the same pattern of economic decline as was followed by Great Britain in the late 18th century as the British Empire reached its peak.
July 11, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
perhaps infinitesimally
July 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This as is for Obama supporters os it is truly a waste of money. It will certainly not convince Republicans or Independents on the fence.
July 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It must be an effective ad for you to have posted 4 times in the short time it's been up.
July 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Five
July 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Fogu2,
I've noticed you trolling around on this stuff. You want to talk high of your candidate, go for it. The problem is you would probably be the the first person to do so. It's blatantly untrue that those with retirement savings or pensions would get their taxes raised if they make under 250K. It's on Obama's plan. McCain wants to continue the bush economic plan, he's welcome to do so, though I don't think the American public wants him to.
July 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who is my candidate exactly. I am not for Obama or McCain.
I wasn't talking about taxes on retirement accounts. I'm talking about corporate earnings bolstering the stock market and in turn bolster virtually everyones retirement accounts.
The stock market and the publicly traded corporation are us not them.
July 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course you are for McCain; you're a Limbaugh fan doing his Operation Chaos bidding. Every regular on TPM knows this, and I imagine you know that we know.
July 11, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly Fogu! Remember all those folks just about to retire that got rich off of Enron stocks? And how the last 8 years have seen record profit margins for Corporate America? I know I'm sitting pretty right now...
July 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must've been smart enough to invest in oil stocks.
I wish I could bring myself to do that, but it feels too much like betting against myself.
July 11, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's also Gold stocks. But that's because only commodities like Oil and Gold are going up in price right now. The stock market is based on investors' best guesses on which businesses will grow in the foreseeable future.
In spite of all the banker's and government economists happy talk over the last year ("The problems are nearing their end. There will be an upturn in the economy by year-end - or in the next Friedman Unit.") investors are now realizing that the foreseeable economic future is down, not up.
That's what the Dow below 11,000 for the first time in two years means.
Investable funds that want a return that beats inflation or even just wants to avoid loss are now chasing commodities instead of financial instruments. Constant supplies of commodities, increased money going after them, the clear supply and demand result is increased prices for commodities.
July 11, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're concerned about the stock market as a wealth engine, well, Bush has spent two terms favoring the stock market over earned income, by cutting taxes on dividends and capital gains and going easy on regulation and enforcement (unless his hand was forced by too-big-to-ignore scandals like Enron and Adelphia).
And how has that worked out? As of today's close, the Dow is up a total of 5.1% since Bush took office (11,100 vs. 10,558). Annualized, that's a pitiful 0.6%.
By contrast, the Dow averaged a 5.3% annual gain in the 20th century -- and 15.9% a year while Clinton was in office.
So, maybe it's better to have a president who occasionally tries to promote the general welfare rather than just cater to Wall Street.
The historical record is clear. Democratic presidents are better for the stock market and the economy:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/democratic-presidencies-arent-always-bad/story.aspx?guid=%7BBEF92A1B-6F9C-4B5D-902C-FA6A4FC6C2A8%7D
http://www.boom2bust.com/2007/12/12/is-a-republican-president-really-better-for-the-economy/
July 11, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, if you factor in the fact that the dollar has lost about 30% of its value since 2001, the constant-dollar value of the Dow Jones Industrial average is actually down, not up, over Bush's two terms. I can't remember a president since Hoover for whom that has been the case... and he only had one term.
July 11, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. Another achievement Bush can point to in the contest for Worst President Ever.
July 11, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom: This is such a vital and valid point, though not well known unless you are into financials. I wish facts like this were discussed on television rather than what this week's poll numbers are.........
July 11, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The TV personalities would have to learn economics. Then they would have to learn to deliver it is 2 minute segments and make is comprehensible and relevant to the viewer, who knows even less economics than the blow-dry personality knows.
The minute such TV personalities begin to get seriously relevant, they will lose their audience and their chance to replace Tweety at his $5,000,000 a year job.
TV can't deliver that kind of discussion except in occasional financial ghettos like Lou Dobbs or Susie Orman, and even then it is super simplified and carefully designed NOT to upset viewers. Always must be positive and upbeat.
In short, TV can't deliver that kind of information realistically. Even the newspapers have stopped trying to deliver effective economic news in print.
July 11, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly the guy who spends all day in his masturbatorium affixing Obama's portrait to pet rocks and chickens in Photoshop is a fair-minded voter who the Obama campaign could win over through careful demonstration of facts.
July 11, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
July 11, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, it says "pet rock." I never looked closely--I just assumed it was a Happy Meal from McSame's.
July 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
First they would have to try. I just hear platitudes and rhetoric, no facts. And then there is the convenient position shift. Obama is a con man and you are the shills and the marks.
July 11, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu: Maybe you should try Q tips?
July 11, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So says Foghat, conveniently ignoring the current and historic stock market numbers posted by Ann Arbor (with links as proof, even) just a little over an hour before this post:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/new_obama_radio_ad_blasts_mcca.php#comment-2960478
No wonder your candidate is McCain -- he's as untroubled by actual facts as Bush and you are. LOL!
July 11, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good work. This is the kind of message, one that calls the near constant drum of fabrications, that I'd like to see more of.
Raise the skepticism of the electorate towards anything they hear in the press, as it should be.
July 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta love the woman's response "Yowzah." (How the hell do you spell that word?)
July 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I confess to being a little surprised at the use of the word "yowza," which if I'm not mistaken has it's origin in minstrel show era stereotypes. The following is from the Wikipedia entry for "Swing Weddiing."
July 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't there a popular disco song in which a man occasionally exclaimed "yowza, yowza, yowza"?
July 11, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I ran across a reference to it but couldn't readily locate it when I went back. I first heard the expression used in a Frank Zappa song, which I now gather was a mocking reference to the disco tune.
July 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dance, Dance, Dance,
Yowza, Yowza, Yowza!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-UL7Kz3vi8
July 11, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was also used by the annoying dance marathon emcee in "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" That would be the right era.
July 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
fogu2 is correct, this will not convince die-hard Republicans of anything; but then, they've been living in Foxville's alternate universe for the last 7 years and are still buying it.
For people with any critical thinking skills left, "making things up" and a way to check should ring big, loud warning bells.
July 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu2 should know that the only way for a Democratic candidate to get die-hard Republicans to vote for them is to trail another Democratic candidate in the primary season.
July 11, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
U are on fire today....
July 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with Publicola.
And as one once told by an Army sergeant after I gave him my real (middle) name instead of my first name - "Lieutenant, You don't have a middle name! You have a first name and a middle initial. Now what the Hell is your name!" I really appreciate your sig.
July 11, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Recommended! Yowza!
July 11, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is one hot ad. I hope it is run a lot in battleground states, plus in rural states where Obama has a shot and radio rates are cheap (AK, MT, ND, NM, NV).
John McCain Voted to Filibuster Minimum Wage Hike
July 11, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
there was an open letter to Michelle Nobama. Let me borrow this thread and give her one as well:
To Mrs. Nobama,
Please shut your filthy big mouth up! For people who qualify for $600 refund, it means a great deal! Not everyone spends $600 on earings.
"That Diamond-Studded Tax Rebate
While we’re on the economy, Michelle Obama was on the stump this week in Michigan, just after she and the Obama girls had a mischievous twinkle in their “Access Hollywood” interview poking fun at Mr. Obama’s 10-year-old slacks, his weathered belt and shoes they’d definitely like to replace.
She talked about her love of clothes in the interview – and yes, one female reporter recently described her in a nearly backless black dress as “slamming,” and another dress she wore for “The View” is on eBay for less than $200. (But we don’t think it was the Obama-girl fashionistas that prompted the presidential candidate to say, in hindsight, that the family won’t be granting more interviews.)
Then again….
During her talk in Pontiac, Michigan, she waxed on about how the $600 rebate given to taxpayers this year to offer relief to consumers is a bit of a short-term fix.
“You’re getting $600. What can you do with that? Not to be ungrateful or anything. But maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn’t pay down every bill every month.
“Barack’s approach is that the short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good. And it may even feel good that first month when you get that check. And then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings.”
Now, that was a joke. She didn’t come up with a $600 price tag for a single pair of earrings on “The Price is Right” or anything. But watch for her comment, and it’s already been suggested around the Web, to be misconstrued as a bit elitist."
July 11, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
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July 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you out of your mind? do you think there should be no disent in a democracy? Everybody should be kiss Obama's a$$ or otherwise being called a troll? Are you a crap with no substance except for being good at kissing a liar's a$$.
July 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sure are obsessed with Obama's ass.
July 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
:) Man I am going broke contributing to Obama's campaign through the troll bowl. Now I am only contributing when I see a truly heinous comment (like Aimey's) Therefore another $5 to the Obama campaign Troll Bowl!!!! Would anyone else like to join me?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/TrollBowl
July 11, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
~Yowza~
July 12, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've seen your crap around here for several months and it still stinks.
You add nothing to the conversation.
Just Obama-bashing, turd-throwing and parroting Repub talking points rotely without honesty.
Maybe Phill Gramm was talking about you: mental recession?
July 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not the your positions on the issues that mark you as a troll. It is the intelectualy dishonest arguments and the inflamatory language you use them while you are suposedly advocating for them.
July 11, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, Aimee doesn't need to be told she's a troll. She knows.
July 11, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just trying to keep the conversation honest on what makes her one.
July 11, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's pretty clever, how you change "Obama" to "Nobama" and "Obambi." It makes your arguments more convincing. You might want to consider discussing politics professionally--perhaps on talk radio.
July 11, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Aimey, please keep talking dirty - "shut your filthy big mouth up" - oh yeah!
July 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
which part is incorrect, big or filthy?
July 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's it, gimme that hate, work it!
July 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got a part that's big and filthy!
Work it, sweetie!
July 11, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely trollish. You've spammed this on another thread already http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/an-open-letter-to-michelle-oba.php
July 11, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey, do you feel your keyboard cringing away from your ignorant toxic touch yet?
July 11, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey May: Truly, you should not post if you cannot even spell the names right. Aimey may not post until she can learn to be civil. Repeat 100 times.
July 11, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle Obama does, indeed, look slammin'.
I think I'm detecting a bit of jealousy here. I'm guessing Aimee hasn't had a good dicking since the Clinton years.
July 11, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This ad will play well in Ohio.
Great ad!
July 11, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
...barackarate!
July 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, nothing Obambi-ish in those moves.
July 11, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Karl Rove making shit up? Preposterous! Just ask McCain's African American love child.
July 11, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Barack’s approach is that the short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good"
Just like a republican: claiming the other candidate is doing what you are actually doing. 'Gas tax' anyone?
McSame (I'm surprised McDonalds hasn't filed suit yet) thinks our problems are 'psychological' , and to him they are when his wife can blow $500,000 in one month without blinking an eye.
July 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cindy should lay off the Botox until she can at least blink again.
July 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Makin' Stuff Up" is state of the art for calling bs. Using this line is a direct appeal to those in the know, those in the reality based community.
Bush demonstrated the other world view today when he used the fact of high gas prices to support his policies:
"The problem, of course, is that gasoline prices are up, which has affected the people here in our country. And one of the main reasons why gasoline prices are up is because crude oil prices are up. And one reason crude oil prices are up is because demand is outstripping supply.
And therefore, what can we do about it? And that ought to be the question the United States Congress asks. And one way to deal with supply problems is to increase supply here in America."
It is kind of the "all roads lead to Rome" theory.
July 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's interesting. I hadn't heard that.
/snark
July 12, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
That quote is just screaming out for a video reference. My favorite from our clueless CIC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWwrK0VQkY&NR=1
July 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This ad should at the very least grab the minds of independents. And it's not even attacking McCain...ok, maybe the McSame part was a bit much, but the fact is that McCain's lying about Obama's policies. But it cuts through the BS effectively and tells you the facts.
Oh, and if this recession is psychological, could Dubya or Johnny-boy get me some Prozac?
July 11, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somewhat OT, but I just figured out why everything is running against McCain this week! MSNBC has been turned over to David Shuster and Rachel Maddow, and now Hardball is being run by Mike Barnacle.
July 11, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schuster is good, Rachel is the best, but we'd be better off with an actual barnacle attached to the Hardball anchor's desk. he's not biased, he's just a low-functioning retard. we can't afford stupid media any more than we can bias these days.
July 11, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very strong ad. I'm impressed.
July 11, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Solid ad. The comment above about attacking the lies without repeating them is spot on. Research has proven that repeating inaccurate information even while in the act of debunking that information only reinforces it. Listeners remember hearing the lie, not the fact that it was a lie.
July 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know this radio ad is devastating when the trolls come out.
July 11, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right, good observation! Aimee is downright foaming at the keyboard......
July 11, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
July 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The recession is not psychological. It is gastrointestinal. What this country needs is an enema!
July 11, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barackolonic?
July 11, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the disco song itself was an allusion to Rudy Vallee, a crooner from the Swingin' 20s and "the Charleston" era.
July 11, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that ad! "They're makin' stuff up" sums up the truth plain and simple.
July 11, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
my only problem with the ad (besides yowza--what's up with that?) is that it is only running in Virginia and Ohio. it would be a good ad to send to all the red states with cheap radio time.
July 11, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good, but we should also be running this in Michigan right now. Especially given the recent comments by Gramm, we should be hitting economic issues hard in the rust belt. Middle Class Tax cut. Foreclosure relief. Etc.
And yeah, wtf - "Yowza". I didn't think people said that kind of stuff outside of Charlie Brown any more. Maybe in VA and OH?
July 11, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the strong attack, indeed I find it quite encouraging for his electoral prospects, but this "cut taxes on the middle class" line is pure bullshit, just more dishonest talking down to voters. If Obama seriously wanted to do that while keeping his promises on domestic programs like health care (which are timid enough as it is), he'd have to stop talking crap about further increasing the size of our already obscenely bloated military (instead of administering the big cuts it needs), and ditch the Madeleine Albright-clone foreign policy advisers who want to police the world.
Sadly, this has turned out to be just another campaign between two candidates who are both full of shit. Of course I'll make the usual ritual genuflection to the effect that Obama is not as bad as the alternative and will get my vote (as well as noting that Hillary would have been no whit better). But at some point we're going to have to do better than this kind of Hobson's choice if we're ever to address this country's deep-seated problems seriously.
July 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great ad! Funny and memorable catch words. Great work from Axelrods team.
The trolls in this comment thread on the other hand are underwhelming. I mean come on, NO sockpuppet-accounts? No convincing fake indentities? Atleast "Aimey May" made the effort of coming up with a girlish name but fogu & labonne (wtf?) are just lazy!
You have to TIME your trolls! and back them up with sockpuppets who follow you around, agreeing with you.
TPM trolls 2/10
July 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, any disappointed Democrat is a troll. This juvenile penny-in-the-slot retort exhibits the mentality that has gotten both the party and the country into the craphole where both reside today.
July 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Double whammy: You're worse than a troll, you're a concern troll.
July 13, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi should be respectful to the 'Presdient'? Respect needs to be earned, and this Pres hasn't earned any.
July 12, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Yowza" should have been "D'oh!" Or "That burn's going to need ointment" Or maybe a simple "23-skidoo".
If you listened to the audio, it's apparent that they hired REAL VOICE ACTORS!!! Competence should pay off.......
July 12, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"23-skidoo" should get McCain supporters attention.
I'm just sayin'....
July 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Double whammy: You're worse than a troll, you're a concern troll.
July 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
D'oh! That comment was meant in reply to Steve LaBonne, the concern troll.
YOWZA!
July 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This radio ad accurately nails McCain as a clone of Bush and Rove. It's McBush - deja vu all over again! I'm an independent, and no independent in his or her right mind will vote for four more years of McBush. Obama is the candidate who will do the most good for the greatest number of Americans. He's a moderate progressive, with decency and integrity. McBush is a right-wing waffler who day after day displays how unqualified he is to be President.
July 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people do realize that the ad is admitting that Obama will raise taxes, right?
July 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink