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MSNBC Gets It Right: McCain Attack Ad Is False
MSNBC does the impossible, pointing out that the McCain attack ad's claim that Obama canceled the visit to the troops because he couldn't bring "the cameras" is false:
NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that there was never a plan for Obama to take the press to Landstuhl, despite the claim by McCain folks and others. The plan was to go with his military aide, retired General Scott Gration. The Pentagon said Gration was off-limits because he had joined the campaign -- violating rules that it not be a political stop.Obama had gone to see wounded troops in Iraq earlier in the week, without even confirming he'd been there. No press, no pictures. He has done the same when he goes to Walter Reed -- never any press.
This is rather relevant info, to put it mildly, and it's unclear why it's missing from most of the other reporting about this ad.
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Andrea Mitchell corrects the record?
Really!?!
Wait, Andrea "Obama has a Problem" Mitchell?
Seriously, really?
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July 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking the same thing! But I guess she had to "make up" for calling the earlier reporting and photos from his troop visits "fake interviews".
July 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well... what's her alternative?
She messed up and now she's trying to atone--not with compensatory lies about McCain, but with plain old unvarnished, verifiable truth. This is a good thing.
July 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's also in danger of being labeled a soft-political pornographer for some of her biased reporting. And really that's what's going on here. These kinds of reporting titelate . Fox is selling political pornography, and like generic pornography, there's some hard core demand for it. That's why main stream media is sliding into soft pol-porn.
All of these talking heads like to think of themselves as the antithesis of porn stars, which is exactly why we have to call them political-porn stars when they engage in it, and why we have to call outfits like Fox, not just propaganda, but political-pornography.
If they want to keep their highly treasured dignity, their going to have to inject it into their reporting. Otherwise I don't have any problem refering to Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, Ingrams as hard core pol-porn stars, and Gibson and Stephanopolous as soft-pol-porn stars.
They want dignity in their field, they have to earn it. They aren't earning it these days. My guess is Andrea Mitchell sensed her exposure and has run a hasty retreat for cover. But the rest of them won't until they are labeled as pol-porn stars.
July 28, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
uhm, correct spelling is: titillate.
July 28, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because MSNBC is the old news organization with any journalistic integrity, and that isn't totally in McCain's pocket? Granted even MSNBC sucks sometimes, after all they still have Joe Scarborough, but during this election they've consistently done a MUCH better job of reporting facts than any other outfit.
July 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
*is the only news organization with...
July 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
well the bar is pretty low.
July 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly, a career politician....
http://www.eucom.mil/english/CommandStaff/gration.htm
Where does the Pentagon draw the line?
July 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Answer: Where ever Commander Coo-coo Bananas tells them too.
(Sorry I stole your name for Bush, Tena! It's too funny).
July 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Commander Coo-Coo Bananas'...
anyone else remember the simpsons episode where Homer was supposed to steal Moe's car for him but got distracted at the drive-in watching 'Hail to the Chimp'?
Homer: "They're showing 'Hail to the Chimp'!"
The President, a chimp, attacks one of his advisors after the advisor describes the state of the union address as being 'nothing but a bunch of technical jargon and partisan rhetoric'.
Homer (laughing): "That's what you get for not hailing to the chimp!" The chimp President later parachutes from a crashing plane.
July 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know why, maybe it's because the Simpsons is on Fox, but the show has been surprisingly easy on the Chimperor for the last 7 years. The were much harder on Clinton. With the exception of the Hail to the Chimp movie and Homer's Commander Coo Coo Brains comment, both asides and not the subject of a show, the show has steered clear ridiculing the Worst President Ever.
July 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forgive me, I should have added the disclaimer that I stopped regularly watching the show probably after the 10th season or somewhere around then when the quality of the episodes fell off considerably. I honestly couldn't comment on what it's been like recently.
July 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep hammering on them, Greg. Maybe the rest of them will get it right, too.
Andrea Mitchell? That neo-con [ahem] prostitute? Wow.
July 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol
July 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not unclear to me--the media wants a horse race and will do anything to keep McCain's campaign alive in order to bring in the ratings and viewership.
July 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
but, but it's a deadheat!!! Neck in neck!!!
"A new Research 2000 national poll finds Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. John McCain, 51% to 39%, with Bob Barr getting 3% and Ralph Nader getting 2%."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/07/27/r2000_obama_holds_double_digit_national_lead.html
July 28, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah they will. This is the same thing they did to try keep Clinton's campaign alive purely to have the story.
July 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Andrea Mitchell? You've got to be kidding me!!!
Mornin Joe should of have her on at the top of the hour at 6am. He sent almost 2 hours going on and on about Obama and the troops knowing FULL well Andrea Mitchell had the scoop.
July 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
And that's exactly why Joe Scar'bro didn't have Mitchell on...
July 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joe S. was schooled by Robert Gibbs on this and still wouldn't give it up. After Gibbs basically made an air-tight case, Joe said "He did a good job. Whether true or not, he stuck to his story."
In other words, it's just a "story," and Joe couldn't possibly have been wrong for the entire show.
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July 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Andrea Mitchell corrects the record! That is news all by itself. I am impressed. Way to go Andrea!!!
July 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
i think everybody shocked andera spoke up..... but lets see if she keep this up when her show come on....
July 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
TPM, don't praise MSNBC.
They may shuffle corrections off into the dark corners of their site, but they still let Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan repeat these falsehoods all morning. And currently, Contessa 'North Carolineta' Brewer is playing the ad on loop and wondering if it 'might hurt Obama.'
July 28, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Word. I flipped on it this morning and couldn't make it through one segment (the dude from New Republic was on). Scarborough wouldn't let Mika get a word in without saying that she's "in the tank" for Obama and implying, therefore, that her opinions didn't mean shit. (This from the guy who's quite obviously a supporter of McCain and was so hot for Hillary that he calls her his "girlfriend" to this day.) Willie Geist was too busy agreeing with Joe so as to make himself somehow significant, and Harold Ford was the only one there trying to actually interview the guest. I fast-forwarded through Joe's commiseration with Buchanan, so I didn't get to hear that lodge meeting. I can only imagine. That show is a fucking embarrassment.
July 28, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've read here and there that Obama has not had the best relations with the press. That in general his campaign has not been particularly welcoming and that press has found him aloof. Has anyone else heard this and does anyone think that this might be contributing to the lopsided reporting?
July 28, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
No I haven't heard that.
But clearly you think we should all be concerned
July 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that has to be put in the context of McCain's press BBQs and extremely careful cultivation of, erm, "friendly" relationships with the press. He wines 'em and dines 'em and backslaps with 'em, and gets very favorable coverage in return. And he's been doing that for decades.
Not that it would hurt for Barack to do some more backslappin' and maybe throw a few BBQ's. But it's not going to replace the very careful work McCrash has been doing all these years.
Oh, HusseinTenaX -- give it a rest already. Not everyone who posts some teeny criticism of Obama's behavior or strategy is a concern troll, a closet Republican, or some other epithet you can dream up. I have heard such stories, because I've been paying attention. In fact, one such story surfaced during Obama's overseas trip last week. Reporters were "complaining" about the "wall" in the campaign plane and how they were being kept apart from the candidate. Obama doesn't walk on water, and freely admits that fact. I just wish you would as ewll.
July 29, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX, you obviously believe (or at least claim) that msboc is a concern troll, perhaps a closet McCain troll or a Hillary "deadender".
So how do you explain this post?
Or this one, viewable at msboc's profile page (comments on that post have been sucked into the TPM Comment Black Hole -- you'll notice that the post says "129 Comments" but none display, a "feature" all too common at TPM):
So feel free, HusseinTenaX -- which is it? McCain troll? Hillary deadender? Or maybe just someone with a different opinion than you?
Or were those comments back in February and March just a set-up to lull us into thinking that msboc is an honest, interested human being, so that she could then come back now and start trolling for McCain? Mighty crafty those McCain concern trolls. Sure took me in.
July 29, 2008 4:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hooray for the clarification. However, do you really think that this will stop the McCain camp?
What the Obama camp should do is point out the sad and ironic. Obama didn't want the troop visit to be exploited for political purposes and so decided not to make the visit.
John McCain, on the other hand, is willing to "prove" his love of the troops by exploiting them. He is willing to use them as pawns in his selfish grab for the Presidency.
In McCain's Sunday interview with ABC's George S, McCain said that he would have raised a ruckus if the Pentagon had stopped him from visiting. My interpretation of this is that McCain is again demonstrating his selfish desires ("I'm more important than any 'ol Pentagon policy!) over a genuine love of troops.
July 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why isn't the Obama campaign and surrogates out there pushing the message that McCain lied? If there's one thing that seems to be the case, it's that the Media won't generally report anything unless there's some campaign operatives pushing the story.
It's pretty pathetic, but Obama's campaign needs to push back themselves. They can't expect the press to do it for them.
Are they doing this? I'm not going to sit around watching Cable news to find out. That's what you guys are for!
July 28, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me see if I have this straight: you don't know, since you don't watch, but you're accusing Obama of blowing this anyway?
WHY?
July 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that this lack of counter attack is a part of the DNA of Obama's campaign. In the primaries, Obama was far less negative then Clinton.
Being calm and controlled is one of the ways that Obama is attempting to change politics as usual.
Admittedly, it is not easy to watch change when your candidate is bearing the brunt of the attacks.
July 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, so far, Obama's campaign has done a really outstanding job of laying the smears to rest. Obama is not Kerry. This is not '04, and Terry McAuliffe isn't running the campaign.
They may not react in a split second like we do, but they have managed so far to deal with these lies without getting into the gutter with McLame and fighting over nothing.
July 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem for Obama on this issue is that Obama's explanation has been a little complicated, whereas McCain's message has been Rovian at its best: distract the referees, and then deliver a quick knee to the groin.
However, McCain may have over-played this, and some Obama judo may be in order. Obama shouldn't respond through surrogates. He should call a brief press conference and give a little speech explaining the truth in simple terms, call McCain on his B.S., and express profound disappointment that John McCain has chosen to sully his own reputation by stooping to swiftboat-like distortions and character attacks, and ask John McCain to, once again, turn away from the gutter politics that he once promised to avoid in this campaign.
If he doesn't take this issue head-on, and soon, it's going to linger in people's minds.
July 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah kind of like Rev Wright lingered?
I wouldn't make any bets on it. It's a long long time til November.
:)
July 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate your point, but to some extent, the way in which the "Wright Affair" was handled reinforces mine. Obama eventually arrested the spin on the Wright issue by speaking for himself, and giving a historic speech on the issue of race.
I have family in the service, and I don't think McCain cares how aggravating and demoralizing his lies are to many people in uniform. I'd like to see Obama take the opportunity to take on the issue of who actually cares more about the people in our military, and use the attention to expose McCain as the craven, Janus-faced hypocrite that he has become.
BTW, I enjoy your comments. Keep up the good work.
July 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just look at what can happen!
http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2008/07/the_propagandist.html
and the damage that can be done!
http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2008/07/the_thrilling_conclusion.html
July 28, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right Stroszek!
They just aid the McCain ad yet once again (how many times this morning?) Richard Wolffe and Jim Warren are discussing it now.
They aren't quoting Andrea Mitchell now!
July 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reason that the wing nuts are claiming a "liberal bias" is because, as Stephen Colbert drolly pointed out, "reality has a decidedly liberal bias".
The facts on the ground are more and more aligning themselves with Obama's policies. It's amazing to watch.
McCain's campaign is shrinking by the week. At this rate, Obama's biggest challenger in the fall will be Bob Barr.
July 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Ad is pretty weak but i still expect Obama to counter punch hard.
July 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
on msnbc just now richard wolff called the ad false ... what the hell going on are these people and news channel are being unbiased and reporting the news correctly wow..... i stll need a ko special comment
July 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Confirming my statement below that the reporters on the trip are reporting it correctly; those not touching and feeling and seeing for themselves are not.
July 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting how the concern trolls are pushing the "obama's campaign staff is messed up" meme; fearing that it's hopeless to attack the candidate himself, they offer concern for his seemingly, in their frame, inept campaign. This is of course the same campaign that proved so strategically successful during the primaries.
As usual, I would expect an ass kickin' response from the Obama camp shortly, something that points out the duplicity of McCain's attack and his waterbearers' support. Your concern, as HusseinTenaX pointed out, is unnecessary.
July 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, am I sick and tired of seeing anyone who dares to post even the slightest doubt or criticism of any aspect of the Obama campaign immediately being labeled a "concern troll."
There Shall Be No Doubt, There Shall Be No Dissent is a lousy slogan for the TPM threads. But it seems like there are more than a few Enforcers out there ready to squash any such "dangerous" and "unpatriotic" commentary. As Chuck Hagel said about the McCain ad on Face the Nation this last Sunday, impugning people's motives in this way treads on very thin ground. Give it a rest already.
July 29, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"This is rather relevant info, to put it mildly, and it's unclear why it's missing from most of the other reporting about this ad."
Is really that unclear? Of course not.
July 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been watching the Scar go after Obama all morning on this non issue and playing and re-playing the McCain ad as well as his comments in the Stephanopolous interview ("There would have been a 'seismic' reaction if someone told me I couldn't visit troops" -- paraphrasing). No one on the show corrected any of the falsehoods mentioned here, and no one -- no even the Obama spokesman (Gibbs) -- pointed out that McCain himself deferred repeatedly to military rules about campaining on military bases. I wish someone would point out this hypocrisy. It's striking, and is really bigger news than Obama not making the visit in the first place.
July 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most of the talking heads on TV are idiots and don't usually know what they're talking about. Obama spokesman still needs to hit back hard, perhaps, go after the press as well for failing to do their job.
July 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hold on to your hats. They may be correcting this story now, but if Obama starts to open up a lead again, they'll loosen up their journalistic integrity and start letting more BS slip through.
It is all about keeping the race close so they will keep their ratings up.
Capitalistic journalism at its best.
July 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't someone just point out that it is likely a violation of privacy laws (for hospitals) to allow the public, including reporters and photographers to wander around a hospital?
The McCain ad is slick: there is no photographic evidence of McCain doing this, and none of Obama, it has nothing to do with politics or using veterans, it is purely a privacy issue.
This is why campaign staff should be barred as well, they are not government employees. Most likely Obama himself could not enter a private hospital without permission from those he wanted to visit.
July 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why does John McCain continue to politicize the military and the men and women who serve? How can John McCain claim he is in the know when he even gets the facts wrong. Surely such an expereinced commander and chief knows the rules the pentagon sets for official visits by members of congress or their campaign.
It never stops amazing me who far a politician or anyone for that matter can carry on this nonsense of saying that they are the most qualified while continuing to get facts incorrect day after day. I think John McCain and the guy from the Office, David Brent (Ricky Gervais) have a lot in common. Hey maybe after the election their will be a new show on cable for Johnny Boy.
July 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
At least MSNBC shows that it's still possible to think outside of the Fox.
July 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good on Andrea Mitchell, and good on TPM for catching it. A lot is riding on finding and telling the truth this time around.
July 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reason this ad is not getting more traction is because the A-list reporters were on the trip with him. They all know what happened. Jake Tapper on his first post after landing from England also said there is no evidence they were planning to bring cameras. Andrea Mitchell has been saying this exact same thing since Thursday night's NBC newscast.
The reports leaving it more ambiguous are written by people not there (for the most part). But this reveals a problem as well -- it's not difficult to understand the situation remotely. It's quite clear, yet unless a reporter was on the trip, they fall into he said/she said.
July 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
She was so nasty to him because she wasn't asking all the questions, someone even said she should get over herself, cause it wasn't about HER.
Maybe they got complaints, lots of complaints?
July 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe the MSM is deliberately asking reporter who were not on the trip for their take on this matter. Maybe they like the indecisive nature of the situation because first it gives them an excuse to draw the story out and second it allows them some elbow room to nuance the story from the many political actors who are asking for a certain type of coverage. I see this as nothing more than an excuse to sell a story regardless of the truth and as an example of one of the failings of the MSM to get stories correct!
Sorry about the mispellings.
July 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would like to see the Obama campaign ask the "journalists" if they have investigated McCain's claims. Did you ask any one other than our campaign any of these questions? Did Barack Obama visit the troops without photographers during his trip? Did the Pentagon wait until the 11th hour to tell the Obama campaign that they were not permitted to visit the troops without staff? Did the Obama campaign ask permission to bring press photographers along?
The press has abdicated its responsibility as a factfinder by simply asking for a response from the opposing camp. It would rather publish a blatant lie and ask for a denial than to do the job they were once famous for performing. A denial from the victim has less power to persuade then one that emanates from a supposedly neutral source.
The Republican Party, with the assistance of Fox news, has done an excellent job of "working the refs" that the MSM is afraid to call a lie a lie. Maybe our only recourse is to ask questions of the journalists about whether or not they actually did their job.
July 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Andrea Mitchell. Now you deserve to eat something. Please have a french fry for lunch.
July 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Obama could visit as a Senator or private citizen, but not as a candidate in an election. DOD is very sensitive about the appearance of endorsing a candidate, or troups being used in a campaign.
Anybody who has ever been to Landstuhl knows that it is physically a very small base.
Obama felt, that under the circumstances it would be impossible to keep the press and cameras away from the base and troups if he were to visit.
That's the entire story.
July 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I admit that I get nervous about these attacks, too, because they're unfair, the press is lazy, and I don't want Swiftboat '08. BUT -- the rest of the country doesn't want it, either. These ads make McCain look small, and since he's running on his reputation, that's good for Obama.
I wish the press would fact check this bullshit, though. It's okay to tell the audience that McCain is a liar. That's not bias. That's doing your job.
July 28, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Simpsons season 18 "Treehouse of Horrors" had a segement on Kang and Kodos invading Earth and claiming they would be "treated as liberators", weapons of mass disintegration etc. Probably one of the most overtly political Simpsons episodes ever.
http://www.lardlad.com/assets/episodes/season18.shtml
July 28, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as she reports some truthfull stories to offset those slanted towards McCain she can consider it balanced reporting.
July 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, McCain should act his age not his IQ.
July 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think those numbers are about the same... though they may well diverge if McCain gets much older....
July 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea!
i just sent an email to letters@msnbc congratulating Mitchell's reporting. i was stunned. the first 20 minutes just knocked him.
does anyone know email addresses for hardball & countdown?
Yea Andrea Mitchell! Thank you!
and where ARE the rest of you, MSM outlets? hmmm?
outdone by msnbc again! (this was huge, for an msm. let's all quote Ms. Mitchell when we write other networks asking them to expose the lie in McCain's ad.
July 28, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink