More On The Bush Administration's Opposition To Obama Speaking At Brandenburg Gate
Yesterday I noted that Germany's Der Spiegel had reported that the Bush administration was privately trying to block Barack Obama from making a speech at Berlin's historic Brandenburg Gate.
Now Der Spiegel has more, citing another German report that actually has an American official on the record shedding light on what might really be going on here:
The German government, however, is more concerned with other possible side-effects of the speech. An overly warm welcome for Obama could anger the Republican candidate, John McCain, as it would not exactly be a good starting point should McCain be elected this autumn. Furthermore, any indication that Berlin is over-eager to see the end of the Bush administration is not likely to play well in Washington.Indeed, Deputy Treasury Secretary Robert Kimmitt told the mass circulation tabloid Bild that "it would be nice if the German government would focus on strengthening its contacts to us rather than already beginning to look for our successors."
This American official is openly letting his hostility to the idea be known. Meanwhile, Ben Smith reports that his German-speaking readers have found reports in the German press saying that an American official "berated" a German official about the speech idea.
This definitely warrants some follow-up reporting.












Comments (41)
Heh. A scandal with a built-in "gate" in it's name :-)
BTW, Greg, the blockquote needs fixing.
July 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
You beat me to it. Cool.
July 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
haha.
Brandenburg Gate-Gate
July 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or just "Gate-gate"! 8-O
July 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
thx appreciate
July 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may be worth noticing again that Angela Markel can not make any decision on this. The decision to allow depends on the mayor of Berlin. I believe that the mayor of Berlin has already welcome Barrack Obama.
I think the republicans are just scared about this trip.
July 11, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares whether the mayor of Berlin is an Obama fan. From what I hear, he's just some kind of doughnut.
July 11, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, It seems like the GOP just cant help plunging into scandals, merely by their inherent lack of abilility to just shut up.From whine-gate and now this.Sometimes its best to just shut up as it does not confirm how stupid and condenscending one is.Or out of touch!
July 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
And continuing to whine about it is only bringing PR to Obama's trip.
Excellent! Carry on, Repubs.
July 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
who IS the mayor of berlin and what
is mayor's political relationship
to markel?
July 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I didn't know that one could be overly-eager to see the end of the Bush malAdministration.
July 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
True! Bush doesn't care that his own citizens are eager to see him go. But he draws the line at foreigners hating him.
July 11, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the Republicans don't make Obama change the location of that Berlin visit.
July 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Klaus Wowereit is the mayor of Berlin. He is a member of the SPD
The story is being covered by Der Spiegel. You can go the link for the entire article.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,564805,00.html
You just need to copy the link
Many Germans want to get to know him," Ruprecht Polenz, chair of the foreign relations committee in the German parliament, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "It's not just politicians, but the broader public. When the best possibility for that to happen is at this place, then I have no problem with it," he said, referring to the Brandenburg Gate site.
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Polenz's comments come a day after a number of other German politicians came out in favor of allowing the Obama event, reportedly scheduled for July 24. Berlin Mayor Klaus Wowereit said he would love to see the candidate hold a major trans-Atlantic speech in the heart of Berlin. "We will prepare a warm welcome for him and will undertake all measures necessary so that he can deliver his message in Berlin," Wowereit said on German television.
July 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let him make his speech. Why be concerned with what the GOP says. They are outta here!
July 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hilarious! This sounds like an embittered ex-boy/girlfriend. How dare (s)he move on already?!?! Why my side of the bed is still warm!
Guess what, Repubs? Your days are numbered...
July 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just when I think I've reached the limits of my cynicism with regard to Bush & Co., I discover new reservoirs of additional disgust. It really never stops, does it?
My God, January 2009 really can't come soon enough.
July 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
block quote still needs something: delete double quotation marks at end.
July 11, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
ooops, misread it. never mind. sorry.
July 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Open those pearly gates Angela
It's all in your mind
http://bwtr.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/bushmerkel.jpg
July 11, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus - this is one of the craziest dust-ups I've ever heard of.
God Bush is an asshole - And Merkel must have liked that shoulder rub a whole lot if they're letting Bush get away with this.
July 11, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
heh heh, are you talking about one of Bush's many personalities, or are you just missing a comma? "God Bush" sounds even more frightening than the run-of-the-mill one we have! ;)
July 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in Germany.
Will they want to avoid pissing off Dubya & Co, even though he won't be here to kick around much longer? Will they want to avoid pissing off McSame, just in case he beats Obama? And what about pissing off Obama?
Then, of course, there's the between the factions within the German federal government, and between the feds and the mayor of Berlin. Can they bring enough political pressure on him to make him cave?
Just a little tempest in a teapot for our continued entertainment. Fodder for the summer news doldrums.
July 11, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in Germany.
Will they want to avoid pissing off Dubya & Co, even though he won't be here to kick around much longer? Will they want to avoid pissing off McSame, just in case he beats Obama? And what about pissing off Obama?
Then, of course, there's the tension between the factions within the German federal government, and between the feds and the mayor of Berlin. Can they bring enough political pressure on him to make him cave?
Just a little tempest in a teapot for our continued entertainment. Fodder for the summer news doldrums.
July 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I love this story. It's fascinating and entertaining.
July 11, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are seriously underestimating the desire of just about everyone in the world to give the finger to Bush.
By starting this controversy, Bush has guaranteed a million-plus crowd for Obama if he speaks. Remember, it's easy to get from Point A to Point B in Europe. Given the chance to upset George the Little, huge masses will be willing to make a relatively short trip.
Congratulations, George. Epic fail. The only thing that would get a bigger, happier crowd is Bush's public execution. Which, in a way, this will be.
July 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe. Among ordinary people, I'm sure you're right.
But Dubya & Co seems to still have support among several high-profile foreign leaders. Tony Blair and, to a substantial degree, his successor Gordon Brown; Chancellor Angela Merkel and many of her right-wing Christian Democratic Union followers; and Nicolas Sarkozy in France are notable examples.
Watching how his foreign political allies react to Dubya's and McSame's slow-motion train wreck will, I think, be amusing, indeed.
July 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please note that Angela Markel has no authority over the mayor of Berlin. The security would be handle by Berlin and its mayor not by the German government.
Senator Obama is indeed very popular in Europe. there was a poll conducted in German where Obama would get over 80% of the votes while McSameBush would get 11%...
July 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
follow up post:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/german_government_denies_bush.php
July 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, either way it goes will be bad for them . . .
July 11, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm.. McCain went to Columbia and freed the hostages there. Maybe Obama can free... oh wait. They're all free over there already. Reagan did that 20 years ago.
[tongue firmly in cheek if you can't guess]
July 11, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bush is just letting them know not to be too disappointed if he never leaves office.
July 11, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, thanks to the clueless Bushies, all Obama has to do is remain presidential. He doesn't even have to give his speech at the famous gate. These dopes have shot themselves in the foot yet again.
July 11, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure that Senator Obama being treated like a rock star in Germany is necessarily a good thing for his campaign. I appreciate that he wants to build up his international bona fides, but public photo ops with foreign leaders and American forces abroad will be much more effective and less likely to incur a backlash among the uncommitted voters that Senator Obama needs to reach out to. At best these uncommitted voters, especially blue color voters, who never had the fiscal means to go backpacking in Europe are unlikely to be impressed by such rock star treatment and at worst turned off. Recall that the Obama campaign is already sensitive to holding too many such rallies in the United States.
Before you cast me out as a troll, understand that I remain a huge supporter of Obama and have very much enjoyed the three mass Obama rallies that I attended, including the one at the Excel Center in Saint Paul. I am just concerned that what might look very appealing to the choir may not look so good to the unconverted.
July 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am also concerned about the appearance of Obama at the Brandenburg Gate only because he may seem arrogant going where normally a president would go, not a nominee. I think it could be perceived as that presidential -looking seal looked, a bit too much and presumptuous. I am confident the speech will hit the right balance of vision and humility and historical context, but the milieu could be spun negatively as arrogant.
July 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Furthermore, any indication that Berlin is over-eager to see the end of the Bush administration is not likely to play well in Washington.
Well, we sure wouldn't want to risk making any inside-the-Beltway types upset, now would we? After all, they are so very popular with the American public!
Seriously, the question of speech or no-speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate comes down to how well the Obama campaign can handle the media spin. As long as the media outlets don't get a chance to make this into another "Obama - elitist?" episode, I see little downside to the exercise.
If the Germans are all up for seeing Obama speak at Brandenburg, why should he deny them? It's their choice for gods sake!
July 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get real! EVERYONE in the world is eager to see the end of the Bush administration. What's wrong with admitting that??
July 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Minnesota voter: there are millions of Americans who think that being popular in Europe is a reason to vote against you. Obama indeed knows enough to handle this very carefully -- but the result may be a speech that talks about American interests as much as it does about American values, and about the threat of Iran as much as it does the hope of change.
The best parts of Obama's foreign policy message -- the ones that talk about soft power and aim to undercut the Bush administration -- are the ones that are most difficult to deliver in a foreign setting. The most troubling parts of Obama's foreign policy message -- the ones that seek to underline his toughness -- are the ones that will be seen at home as Obama's foreign policy "Sister Souljah" moment.
In short, don't overestimate how much you're going to like what the man actually says, wherever he ultimately gets to say it.
July 11, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is an unwitting admission by the Bush administration that they know who the next president is going to be. But their pettiness will allow them to keep quiet.
It's all "Hey look over here! Hello? I'm still president you know!"
Obama's election will not only raise the White House IQ, but raise the maturity level exponentially.
July 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is particularly galling about Kimmitt's remark that
is that, in 2003, when Angela Merkel was leader of the German opposition, and much more receptive to Bush administration international policies than Gerhard Schröder (who was then Chancellor), the Bush administration gave her the "royal treatment" on a visit to Washington. This is from Todd Purdum's article about it in the New York Times (Feb. 26, 2003):
July 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This will put Obama over the top for good. You will see a massive crowd not just in Germany but all over Europe. With the large crowds and positive feed back...the american people will see a leader that is respected by the world. It's a start to repairing what the Bush admisistration has done. This is why the Repugs don't want this speech to take place.
July 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink