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McCain: Obama Is An Extremist, "I Don't Know" If He's A Socialist

John McCain appears to be upping the ante in his efforts to paint Barack Obama as out of touch with America: He now says Obama is so extreme, he's not ruling out Obama being a socialist.

In an interview with the Kansas City Star, reporter Dave Helling asked McCain whether he would really characterize Obama as an "extremist."

McCain's reply: "That's his voting record. All I said was his voting record -- and that is more to the left than the announced socialist in the United States Senate, Bernie Sanders of Vermont."

Helling then asked if McCain actually thinks Obama is a socialist. "Oh I don't know," McCain answered.


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If you do not think he is a Socialist, why say it? And why is this interviewer asking leading questions?

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In all fairness, the reporter was quoting McCain calling Obama's record "extreme" and then asking McCain to defend the statement.

While I don't have any doubt McShameless would like to potray Obama as "extremist," here your deduction seems like a stretch.

The headline seems to lead to a different conotation from the content you posted.

It seems McCain is calling Obama as being on the extreme left on the political spectrum and not "extremist" in the "radical" or "militant" sense.

Having said, it's the Joe McCarthy slippery slope McCain will land on, in the near future. So, I ain't protesting much.

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  1. Helling asks McSame whether he would characterize Obama as an extremist.
  2. McSame's answer compares Obama with a socialist.
  3. Hellig then asks him if he thinks Obama is a socialist.
  4. ???
  5. Profit!

So, McSame introduces the word socialist, but Hellig's original question about BigO being an extremist is still a smelly turd.

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Ugh. Looks like <ul> and <ol> tags don't render correctly here. Sez here...

1. Helling asks McSame whether he would characterize Obama as an extremist.
2. McSame's answer compares Obama to a socialist.
3. Hellig then asks him if he thinks Obama is a socialist.
4. ???
5. Profit!

So, McSame introduced the word socialist, but Hellig's original question about BigO being an extremist is still a smelly turd.

Poor, attention mongering headline - more like msm really.

What a wonderful cover picture of Obama. Very nice to see such a fine person featured on the cover of a major news magazine. Could be a clue to some of the McCain bunch that their smear tactics are useless. What a wonderful compliment to the people of our country. I can only imagine that Martin Luther King is sitting up there saying, "At last, the country has reached the point where we are paying attention to the wonderful strength of his character and we have finally arrived at a place where the color of ones skin is simply coincidental". I am truly proud of our country at this time and this old as dirt white woman will be proud to vote for this fine, dedicated, honest and bright young man who can so ably lead our country. God bless Mr. Obama is my prayer!!!!!

Very nice comment. Made my day.

The reporter was responding to MCain invoking Sen. Bernie Sanders, and avowed socialist. Maybe the New Yorker can amend its cover to put a copy of Dad Kapital in Obama's hands.

On the latest flip flop front, Robert Novak reports on the resurrection of Phil Gramm as a McCain surrogate and adviser. Wing nut flamers are whining "but you liberals always said Novak is a liar."

In the spirit of those who use Jonathan Swift to defend the New Yorker, here is my modest proposal.

Our nation of whiners is threatened by Islamofacism. Robert Novak has put the McCain campaign at risk by using false anonymous sources. Life, even that beginning at conception, is endangered. Therefore, due to circumstances unforeseen by the Framers, the President is authorized, by a theory of law I may never have discussed but it was classified, to have Novak seized. His rendition will be ordered so he may be taken in a private jet piloted by Cindy McCain to Nicaragua where he can be waterboarded by Rush Limbaugh. We cannot leave this to amateurs like the Army. They might accept false sources from torture…er enhanced interrogation. Like the Steeler defensive…er Packer offensive line.

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is this really the best argument he can come up with? Wow, he is going to lose by a LOT!

Kansas City Star, that's what I are!

This is Silly season...Poor McBushSame...He does not what to do anymore...It is sure is sad to be a republican....

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Maybe they're hoping for the kids to dig that retro McCarthyism thing?

McCain flat out lied. He claimed (a couple minutes in)that Obama "opposes nuclear power". It took me 30 seconds to find this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDmyToTYBE

Obama clearly said the EXACT SAME THING MCCAIN JUST SAID, only he said it what, a year ago?

McCain is such a filthy liar. Will someone please call him out on this?

He's a socialist and the second coming of Bush?

I don't see how his opponents can argue he's not an effective military leader when he's apparently leading about five or six simultaneous covert attacks on America based on completely contradictory political ideologies.

Good point. Of course McCain and the media also think he's a centrist sell-out. He really is accomplishing mad unity here. If we can just get someone to call him an anarchist, he can officially claim to be all things to all people.

Jeez. Personally, I wouldn't mind if Obama was a socialist, but fergoodnessake, he's most certainly not. I see him as something of a centrist; the difference between him and, say, Bill Clinton is that (imho) Clinton went to the center based on a cynicism, a belief that the center was the most opportune place. Obama, OTOH I think, actually holds principled centrist views on many things. He thus doesn't always mirror my own views, yet I am more excited about his impending presidency than any other in my lifetime (and I'm over 40).

Plus, Michelle is neither a trollop nor a c*nt.

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My guess is that Obama's personality is a natural mediator who immediately sees points of common ground between people with seemingly different persepctives and positions.

As a politician, his personal midpoint is somewhere left of center but he has a broad range depending on the issues that hits both the far left and to the right of center.

With our nation's recent history of political polarization, it is a welcome change.

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"You" see him as a centerist because he's to the right of you (and most here), what y'all fail to take in to account is what a microcosim of the political spectrum most posters here represent. Us over on the right laugh every time you guys refer to the "rightwing McCain" and compare him to Bush. This is the guy who was being courted to switch parties less than 4 years ago and we thought he would.
Us-------McCain--Center--------Obama--Y'all
(That's the political spectrum in case you were wondering)

Why'd you put the word "you" in scare quotes? Wacky.

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I don't know...I looked up to see what you were talking about and have no idea...

And what "you" guys on the right are totally clueless about is that the ground has shifted under your feet. Conservatism is headed for the kind of downswing that liberalism was on from the mid seventies until 2006.

Sucks to be you now, but go back to your think tanks and develop some ideas that aren't batshit insane and you'll be back in the game in a decade or two.

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Actually conservatism is still as strong as ever...the Republican party is tanking for selling out conservatism.

Wait, you're on the left? I'm so confused....

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Jeez--he gets more pathetic and offensive with each passing day.

The desperation over there is getting thick enough to cut with a hunting knife.

Me thinks that this will not end well for the old man.

Wow...Can McLame be any more pathetic than he already is? I guess he saw his polling numbers in Nevada...lol

I just posted a diary to DailyKos about this giant fib of McCains...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/17/233210/553?new=true

Man, I hate liars.

Well, there can certainly be no doubt that McCain is old. and with these statements, an old fool.

McCain reminds me so much of another war hero, Duke Cunningham. Both of them seem kindof dumb but quick with the
retorts. Marcus Stern on Duke:


After his arrest, Cunningham argued that no matter what sort of gifts he received, everything he did was good for national security and the country. What he was really doing was plundering the defense budget year after year. Meanwhile, this was a guy who ranted on the House floor and attacked people who wanted to cut the defense budget. When former Congresswoman Pat Schroeder stood up to challenge him he called her a socialist and told her to sit down.


how is Obama a socialist literally the day after being just like George W. Bush?

how can people's brains even conceive of this crap? and why haven't the reporters in McCain's press pool laughed him out of the race by now? are they all really stupid enough to eat this up without challenging totally contradictory assertions less than 24 hours apart?

Well if Obama can be a Muslim and an Evangelical with a freaky pastor at the same time, certainly he can be a commie and "just like Bush" and all of Fox News viewers will believe it to be so.

The man clearly has run out of arguments and is desperate. He can no longer debate Obama on the merits so has to resort to name calling and demonization.

This is excellent news for Obama!

way to keep it classy mcsame

He could have at least said, "As far as I know, he isn't."

I thought the candidate's surrogates were supposed to sling all the mud while the candidate rises above it all statesman-like. If McCain is personally engaging in the name-calling, then he really is desperate.

And John McCain jumps the shark.

Tune in next week to see if he lands safely or crashes again.

McCain was referring to the National Journal Senate voting record study that showed that in 2007 Barack was further to the left than Bernie Sanders, the Independent Socialist from Vermont.

Which everyone knows was a bogus study. This site has a more comprehensive and accurate study, which ranks Obama at around #10. (McCain, incidentally, has the 8th most conservative voting record.)

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" This site has a more comprehensive and accurate study, which ranks Obama at around #10. (McCain, incidentally, has the 8th most conservative voting record.)" Uh, if you think there are only 7 Senators who are more consevative than McCain, you're crazy....I think your site is a little off.

Ummm and who thinks the National Journal can be trusted to give any accurate assessment of any Democrat? Get real. They (the National Journal) folks are a bunch of Republican bigots who think it is their job to label and deride anyone who dares to run against any Republican. In some ways though, I have some sympathy for them. They are stuck with John McCain who has seen better days, has been a bit more honest in the past, and has avoided being caught up in the neocon garbage. But alas, McCain has sold his soul to the Devil to get this nomination but it will do him no good. His integrity disintegrated long ago the moment he started playing foootsie with the neocons and when he started sucking up to the far right Bush crowd that he has a long history of hating..

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"They (the National Journal) folks are a bunch of Republican bigots who think it is their job to label and deride anyone who dares to run against any Republican." You forgot racist, homophobeic, misogynists...

They do have in interesting habit of concluding that the "Most Liberal Senator" title happens to get bestowed on whatever Democrat happens to win the presidential nomination.

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...ecxept for the fact that they announced it on Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008...was your "contest" over by then?

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...wasn't "Super Tuesday" on 5 Feb?

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Maybe the "interesting habit" is y'alls selection of their "Most Liberal."

I wonder if McCain would say that if the debates were a week away.

I wonder what Gaffs Johnny Boy will have in the debates. Right now, he makes about three a day. I imagine during the debate, he will stick his foot in his mouth constantly.

The whole time I watched this clip (yes I made it through the whole thing) I just kept thinking about what a really nasty human being John McCain is. He doesn't care what kind of bilious lies he spreads.

It's no wonder his poor wife did drugs. I cannot imagine the neurotic knots you would have to be tied up in to wake up next to him and pretend that you had one iota of self-respect to stay with a man who has such utter disregard for women or for anyone who gets in the way of his ridiculous ego and ambition.

Yes, I know this is all personal, but there it is. We all know that voting records, policies and platforms are why we choose a candidate, but in the end, it is our gut feeling about a candidate that shades our views. And John McCain is simply revolting on many levels.

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Santa Claus has a red suit/
He's a Communist!
And a beard and long hair/
Must be a pacifist!

What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

That sonofa....he's using coded words....extremist i.e. terrorist in many Americans. This has to be called on ASAP.

A socialist? Well, OK; I think I'd rather have a "socialist" than a "Corporatist", or a "fascist".
Give all the money and services to the little people (me), not the corporations. Does "socialist"= "one who provides for American Society ( the people) rather than "corporate private interests"?

I bet John and company are just dreading Obama's trip to Europe and the mid-east...all those cheering crowds. "Why did I ever suggest he go to Iraq... I'm screwed!!!

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He doesn't know a socialist when he sees one but he sure know a socialite when he sees one - he abandon his wife and children for one. That's not change we can believe in!!!!

Hope Obama campaign responds to this. It's a prime opportunity for mocking McCain, in a respectful way of course.

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You Americans are very funny.

Even Josh Marshall and his mighty "progressive" crusaders against Teh GOP Evil are afraid of the word "Socialist".

Don't you realise that most countries in the world have major political parties which use this word "SOCIALIST" without blushing?

You have all been so conditioned over the past 50 years that even the well-meaning among you have no idea. You are afraid to break the taboos, no matter how ridiculous. You are trapped in the prisons of your own minds.

Wake up.

Please, for the world's sake. Wake up!

Thank you, gandhi. So what if Obama were a Socialist? How in heaven's name would that be bad? (Besides the fact that Hugh Hewitt thinks "socialist" is a cuss word?)

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I agree, if Obama's a socialist he should claim the lable proudly...just like Liberal...or Progressive...we don't mind stating we're Conservatives.

i don't think Josh is afraid of the word socialist, gandhi. the title was clearly referring to McCain's slant on the word.

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McCain is an idiot.

"I don't know" if he's an idiot.

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Only the mind of an extremist could conceptualise a continuum that moves beyond "extremeist" and then come upon "Socialist".

BTW, is anybody ever going to ask this idiot how his position on withdrawal from Iraq compared to Obama's position squares with Bush's failure to reach a long term agreement with Iraq because THE IRAQUIS WANT A TIME TABLE FOR US TO GET OUT!

He, like all Republicans, clearly has no idea what socialism is. Just like Czechoslovakia.

And I don't know what rating he is using, probably the debunked National Journal rating that just happens to always select the presidential candidate running for president as the most liberal, even more so than obviously more liberal senators like Feingold.

I prefer the Irreqular Times ratings off of the Progressive Patriot site, Obama and Sanders are both listed as "Pretty Darned Progressive", but Sanders scored a 75, Obama scored a 69. Feingold is 81, which is the highest. So no, Obama is not more liberal than the socialist, and any rankings would have to be solely on economic issues, since votes on social issues have absolutely nothing to do with socialism (which I guess is ironic).

Here's one thing that I was thinking as I watched him make his way through that interview: He's effective.

I understand why the Obama camp shied away from those town-hall debate formats. Throughout that interview, he came off as reasonable but tough, competent and folksy. For example, the gas-tax position is bullshit, but his diesel fuel businessman example sounded good.

I'm an ardent Obama supporter, and I've wondered why he is not running away with this election so far. After all, he's so smart and articulate, and he seems to be offering the country what it wants. I think the answer to the ubiquitous question, "why are the polls so close?" should be "Let's not understimate the political skills of McCain. He manages to tell the electorate what they want to hear (e.g., gas tax holiday), and he manages to adopt as his own some of Obama's positions that have been well received (e.g., Afghanistan), and he carefully modifies his message and positions to avoid the extremism that has become his party's platform."

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You're right on track with this. Obama can give a rip roaring speech. He has the presence when he's in front of the crowd. Hillary beat him up pretty good in the debates. McCain gives terrible speeches but is really good in the townhall debate format. I bet Obama agrees to no more than 3 debates total 2 Presidential (no town hall) and 1 for the VP's.

Socialist?

Howsabout that thar GOP Socialism?

Bailing out Freddie and Fannie.

Yeah, isn't it funny how Republicans whine and moan about government "interfering" and "inhibiting" business, but when Bear Stearns starts going down, they have no problem with a $30B bailout.

It's repugnantcon Mad Libs.
Let's all get out our favorite fascist pejoratives style guide and start filling in the blanks!

You bet, Gemini, and a look at the Obama economic/tax proposals reveal forward thinking and reasonable compromise, not an extreme position to be found:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#tax-relief

I can't see Socialism in Obama's policy propositions. His stance on the absolute need to curtail the lack of oversight in the industries that form the backbone of our economy is not socialism, it is common sence survival instinct. The people trying to stick a Socialist lable on BO are the fat cats who don't ever want their well to run dry.

The GOP and their buddies in the military complex are deperately trying to stop the impending cut in their income stream = Obama presidency. McCain is (sadly for them) the best propaganda outlet they have right now.

The KC Star is a right wing rag. McBush says Obama is out of touch with mainstream America?? This from the guy who is just learning how to connect to the internet and can't use a Blackberry?

This sounds like McCain's "Not as far as I know" moment.

oops, Zod beat me to the punch...

Obama is sooooo NOT a "socialist." There is not a 'socialist' in the world who would endorse a single one of Obama's policy recommendations. He's a milque-toast centrist with strong CorpoRat sympathies.

If Obama were asked if McCaint were a radical, I'd bet a buck he'd skirt the issue, flim-flam some kind of non-answer and smile, broadly.

If I was Obama I would reply with something like :

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Looking at Senator McCain's voting record and his continued support and plan to further extend most all George W. Bush administration policies; it is apparent that Senator McCain is far to the right of his so-called 'maveric' or 'moderate' image.

Senator McCain intimating that I am a socialist is no less rediculous then me questioning whether Senator McCain might be a closet fascist. Distorting our own or each others records and labelling each other, just to win votes is dishonest and a diservice to all the American people we should be focused on serving to the best of our ability.

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mccain is a horrible person


McCain attacks Hillary's healthcare effort
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/mccain-tries-to-attack-obama-but-hits-hillary/

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McCain is still running his campaign like Bush 2004. He thinks he has to appeal to "conservatives" in order to win, even though they're not impressed. He thinks he can trade on his image as a "maverick" to get independents to vote for him. With the emphasis of the campaign shifting from Iraq to the economy, McCain has nothing to offer but the same neoconservative policies that have driven this country to the intersection of Wrack and Ruin. So in desperation, he falls back on the typical Republican tactic of demonizing his opponent.

But the American people are wide awake and are sick and tired of these tactics and are not going to be fooled again. A pity that McCain and his advisors are out of touch with America and for that matter, reality.

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Better a socialist than a fascist.

Reagan was to old; Bush was to stupid.
So, what do Republicans do? Go out and nominate someone who is old and stupid. What a party!

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69 comments here preaching to the choir and I'm the only who posted a comment at the KC Star site? Shame on you people. We're not gonna win without pushback against this kind of garbage. Please get to work. Here's my comment at their site right next to the video:

McCain said in 2001 Bush's tax cuts "offended his conscience". Now he not only wants to make them permanent he mindbogglingly wants to give the richest 1% even bigger giveaways.

In 1981 we had less than a trillion dollars in nat'l. debt. $990 billion to be exact. It took over 200 years to run up that tab. Two world wars, the Civil War, umpteen recessions and depressions, under Republican, Democratic, Whig and Federalist presidents. All the way back to George Washington and the guys in tricornered hats. Less than a trillion.

Since 1981, in 27 short years of trickle down, supply side economics, we have ballooned that debt to $9.5 trillion, It'll be $10 trillion by the time Bush leaves office. And McCain incredibly wants to add anywhere from $4.1 to $5.6 trillion more on top of it depending on which special interest group he's talking to that day.

We borrow hundreds of billions from the Red Chinese every year and essentially use it to buy oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. We are the biggest debtor nation in the world and he thinks he can balance the budget by doing away with earmarks which only amount to $22 billion a year.

That would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. This guy is the best the Republican party can do? We can't afford John McCain as president.

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"This guy is the best the Republican party can do?" I seem to recall the same thing being said about the bumbling idiot from Texas...and he kicked y'alls butt...twice...if the BigO loses I'm seriously concered for some of you guys.

McCain also mocked Obama's healthcare plan as "Hillarycare" a mere day or so after Carly Fiorina was reaching out to Hillary dead-enders professing how much Sen. Clinton and McCain had in common.

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But see - this is the first I'm hearing of that, and I read a lot of papers and watch a lot of news. Can you imagine what Americans who aren't news junkies are hearing with regard to that obvious contradiction? Very little. And that's where the main problem in this race exists for Obama. The fact that he is the story, all the time, is not always a good thing.

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But that makes my point - I watched news shows last night and heard nary a word of this, even on "Countdown". Thanks for the link.

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Website http://www.progressivepunch.org shows Obama's voting record. In sooth, Obama is the forty-third (43rd) most progressive Senator . . . Far behind such luminaries as Diane Feinstein and Harry Reid . . . There are 41 Democrats more progressive than Obama and the Independent/Socialist Bernie Sanders.

The truth is that Obama votes marginaly more progressive than Lieberman . . . McCain's best boy buddy forever.

Speaking of flip flops, Jake Tapper at ABC has ignited a flame war by quoting Robert Novak’s column on the resurrection of Phil Gramm as a McCain adviser and surrogate. “But you liberals always say Novak is a liar,” they whine in flame.

In the spirit of those who use Jonathan Swift to defend the New Yorker, here is my modest proposal.

Our nation of whiners is threatened by Islamofacism. Robert Novak has put the McCain campaign at risk by using false anonymous sources. Life, even that beginning at conception, is endangered. Therefore, due to circumstances unforeseen by the Framers, the President is authorized, by a theory of law I may never have discussed but it was classified, to have Novak seized. His rendition will be ordered so he may be taken in a private jet piloted by Cindy McCain to Nicaragua where he can be waterboarded by Rush Limbaugh. We cannot leave this to amateurs like the Army. They might accept false sources from torture…er enhanced interrogation. Like the Steeler defensive…er Packer offensive line.

Well, he was the favorite by then. I'm guessing NJ didn't want to take any chances. They could always trot out a new "analysis" if Hillary pulled out the victory.

This was a reply to SFCWallace upthread, in case anyone's keeping score.

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Well, thanx Mr Al Maliki

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