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McCain: Obama Has "Definitely" Changed His Position On Iraq

John McCain himself is taking up the Republican charge that Barack Obama has flip-flopped on Iraq, an effort to change the dialogue on an issue that has done a lot to drag the GOP down in recent years.

Here's McCain appearing this morning on Fox News, where the hosts dutifully set up the talking points for him:

"Oh I think there's been definitely shifts in position," McCain said. "One of them is Iraq, and I will be -- wait and see what Senator Obama has to say after he returns after meeting for the first time seeking a face to face sit-down briefing from General Petraeus and visiting in over 900 days. And I'll be interested in seeing what he has to say when he returns."


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A. Obama hasn't "changed positions", no matter how many times Fox, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Bob Herbert, or anyone else repeats it.

B. Could we have a serious discussion in the aforementioned media outlets about the position changing that John McCain has exhibited? The New York Times lays out how his plans for the budget have gone back and forth. Could the Democrats do something to point this out?

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As to your comment (B) - this campaign is all about Obama. Even when interviewing McCain, it's all about Obama.

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I actually think Obama should say his plan is to get out by "whenever" but after talking with the commanders there and seeing the sittuation for himself he will make a definitive statement....how can he say how he will proceed without even considering the information he will gain with a visit there?

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Because unlike our current president, he doesn't deliberately obfuscate the difference between policy and tactics. Bush claims to be "following the advice of commanders on the ground," which would be a complete abdication of leadership if he were actually doing it, but actually he just fired all the ones who dared to disagree with him. As a result, he's really just hiding behind military commanders to try to put responsibility for his own policies on people who are more popular and trusted than he is.

Commanders on the ground don't decide whether it's in the national interest for us to have troops in Iraq, and a heavily-guarded stroll through a Baghdad market is far less informative than reports compiled by knowledgeable subordinates. That's how real leaders make decisions, not by pretending that they can assimilate all the information first hand.

You really need to hit the reporters, Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin, at Politico.com, and Mark Halperin at Time's The Page for parroting the Republican talking points on this.

McCain: My position is so unpopular that I'm trying to make it look like Obama's adopting it in order to eliminate his substantial advantage on this issue.

Seriously, what the fuck? It's so outrageously dishonest of journalists and the McCain camp to push this garbage.

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Nice to see Prohias return after taking a day off :-)

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Oops... the persistence of the Spy-vs-Spy image was just my browser cache being old.  Sorry.

God, this happens every damn election.

The left identifies the right's weakness, the right take note and then more successfully accuses the left of the same thing.

obama needs to pull out some of that cash i have been dutifully donating and start attacking back full force! mccain is the notorious flip flopper and obama's team has been napping a little too long .....

this talk of running a respectful campaign can quickly turn into a wimpy campaign...buckle up and shut mccain down....dont be afraid to call him out on his inconsistencies...rolling over and playing dead, will not prevent mccain from drawing out your supposed deficiencies.....geesh!!!

Where in the hell is Obama? Why is he letting McCain dictate the narrative? If Obama hasn't "definitely changed" his position on Iraq, shouldn't his campaign put out a youtube vid highlighting this fact by showing his statements from early in the campaign and statements he is making now?

The only way the MSM reacts anymore is if a youtube vid blows up.

This has Rove's fingerprints all over it, as jweb271 suggested above: identify your opponent's strongest trait, and then attack it head-on as a weakness. And sit back and enjoy as the "liberal" media takes up your megaphone and flogs the story into the ground.

Weird, because Obama met with and questioned Petraeus just a month or so ago. Hm, turns out you can do that in the US.

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Good point.

I think a high profile surrogate should come out and say something like, "If John McCain thinks he has to resort to lying about Barack Obama's clear and unequivocal record on Iraq in order to try to hide his own support for this disastrous war, well that's just sad."

Bob Schieffer was dishonest about Obama's position on Sunday as well, but I thought George Stephanopolous got it right. He went straight to the source and showed the actual clips of what Obama said from earlier debates, and it hadn't changed at all, rather than just parroting right-wing talking points like most lazy MSM reporters.

Really, TPM, you're making a huge deal out of nothing. Nobody much cares that he's adjusted his view, true or not. Because Rove was right about one thing--peeps aren't as concerned about Iraq as they are about the economy.

And the economy sucks, and that's really Obama needs to continue to point out.

However it makes it generally accepted that Obama "flip-flopped" and once that sticks, they'll keep adding on and people will be more willing to accept it as truth because "Hey he flip-flopped on Iraq, so he probably did the same on this issue as well".

I thought Obama was going to hit hard on attacks - he should have leveled McCain with all of his flip-flops and should have embarrassed the MSM by showing that he didn't change like they are parroting from GOP talking points. Put together vids of speeches then and now and deliver it to the networks and let them know that the same video package will be available on youtube.

No he didn't.
Yes he did.
No he didn't.
Yes he did.
...Yes he did.
No he,...Dope!

Just wait and McCain will change his position on Obama changing his position!

Well if McFox says it so, it must be true. Time to go to the mat.

He needs to be called out on this. Where's Colin Powell? Where's Chuck Hagel?

Where's Biden??

What about the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense? Any Commander in Chief who chooses to disregard the chain of command is a fool. Why all of the single reliance on Petraeus? This is not the way to command.

You didn't hear? General Petraeus has been named Supreme Chancellor, and President Bush now answers to him.

Obama's in a real hole. There are just so many times you can make a speech emphatically declaring your veracity without ignoramuses claiming that "thou protests too much." When you go around lying like McCain and his campaign minions are doing, the only escape hatch of any real note is a diligent press. Sadly, we ain't got that.

Maybe McCain changed his Iraq position (in the fake world.) Yeah, that's the ticket. Obama wouldn't make that case, because he's too serious. But, I'm much less serious and perhaps there are enough of us on the net to start our own bullshit story.

McCain is now in favor of pulling the troops out precipitously, going far beyond anything proposed by Democrats. He advocates pulling them out in one weekend, reverse Oklahoma landrush style, using any available vehicle, many comandeered private cars, all driving at top speed toward the borders. Iraq's neighbors will welcome our troops with flowers because they love a good Republican slapstick farce and George Bush.

While McSame is chasing chimera, the Iraqis seem to have sprouted a spine, making him even less relevant than ever:

BAGHDAD - Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.
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It's truly pathetic when all the straight-talk flip-flopper can do is accuse Obama of doing what he himself is most guilty of based on Obama's innocent use of the word "refined". Anyone who doesn't "refine" his or her judgements as the facts change or new information is assimilated is an idiot, which is clearly explified by the irresponsible stubborness of George W. Bush and John Sidney McCain. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite. McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it. McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.) McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite. He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.” McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed. McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it. Republicans have spent the last four years or so making policy reversals the single most serious political crime in presidential politics. The dreaded “flip-flop” is, according to the GOP, the latest cardinal sin for someone seeking national office. Any Republican, especailly any evangelical Republican, who trusts the words of John Sidney McCain is truly a person of faith.


McCain is a wannabe default flip-flopping candidate who stated (on videotape) he wasn't an economic expert before he stated (on videotape) that he was an economic expert. McCain stated he was for Roe vs. Wade before he stated he was against it. McCain stated he was against Bush's tax cuts to the rich before he stated he was for them. McCain stated he was against offshore oil drilling before he stated he was for it. McCain stated he was

I think the reason Obama is being quiet is this really doesn't hurt him.

Implying he has changed his mind (or is OPEN to changing his mind) just makes him see more moderate than McCain.

Frankly, I'm really not sure what McCain gains out of this. I suppose he's trying to suppress the liberal vote, but all I can with that strategy is "good luck with that!"

The good thing is McCain has been branded as a bad for the economy, and the economy is the Number 1 issue.

I also loved how McCain says success in Iraq will save up money.

Do you know what would really save us money? Getting the hell out of Iraq.

End of story.

Rather than saying that Obama's position has changed, can McSame demonstrate it beyond saying it's so?

I'm tired of meaningless back and forth. If Obama has "definitely" changed his position, point to where it has changed.

I'm waiting...

Iraq - 2008: The Green Zone
Gen.Patraeus: "You see Sen.Obama,the surge is working" (pointing at the 250 heavily armed troops protecting Obama,the Truck mounted CIWS,amoured personnel carriers,the 4 apache helicopters buzzing around the sky and the 5 F15's patrolling the imposed 100mile no fly-zone.

Se.Obama" I see, all that protection for the people of Iraq..."

Gen.Patraeus"...No sir, just to protect you".

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Psst!

Psssssst!

Um. John, when folk continue spewing the same lines about crap means the speaker in being 'consistant'. Contradicting ones self every over week, like you do, is flip-floping. Welcome George43 part III.

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