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McCain Jokes About Killing Iranians
This story first broke last night, and the big media have yet to really pick up on it, but this really deserves more attention:
Sen. John McCain hasn't had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe thats a way of killing them."
He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.
That's not very presidential, now is it. It'll be interesting to see what kind of coverage and commentary this generates, if any.
Video soon.
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Sigh... not funny.
July 9, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
no indeed.
July 9, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought this was important too, especially considering his history with joking about killing Iranian civilians, so I blogged about it:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/07/john-mccain-jokes-about-civilians-dying.html
I think the important question here is, is that presidential? Should someone who thinks citizens of a foreign country dying is funny be the "leader of the free world"? I think not..
July 9, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It certainly ISN'T presidential. Neither was his remake of the Beach Boys song "Barbara Ann".
July 9, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
It just illustrates further his disturbing lack of self-control. Like the story the Senator from Mississippi told about McCain getting into some sort of scuffle during a diplomatic trip to Latin America. If he can't control himself on the campaign trail or during such trips, how is he going to conduct America's diplomacy effectively?
July 9, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not just a lack of control, but a lack of basic humanity.
July 9, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not funny because you aren't a Republican. There is nothing the GoP loves more than killing brown people. It makes them feel superior.
July 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media won't even pick this story up. According to Chuck Todd at MSNBC, all news coverage is a referendum on Barack Obama, not John McCain.
July 9, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
He reiterated that this morning on Morning Joe. They spent 5 minutes discussing Obama's "defensiveness," how Obama thinks he's dropping in the polls, how the media's been tough on him, but so be it.
The last 30 seconds they ran McCain's Iran joke, they laughed about it, said McCain's camp doesn't want him making jokes, but oh well, it just makes him more endearing and the kind of guy you want to have a beer with.
The degree to which the media is laying down on the job in terms of scrutinizing McCain makes my head explode.
July 9, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
July 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I saw that. What a meaningless, gimmicky statement. I bet it makes him feel good to say it, though.
July 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops - actually, the media IS picking it up. Check it out:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1226567404
July 9, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The big news is Cindy's hair styling and why Obama hates pets.
TPM -add Obama to your spell check dictionary please (McCain is in it)!
July 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media's reaction will be "hey, maybe we all gotta lighten up." It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't a country we could conceivably go to war with, especially under a McCain administration.
July 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
And they'll laugh about it in the media while showing the news clip from Iranian media of missile tests.
July 9, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or they'll play up the trade angle and ignore the gaffe entirely.
July 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, we need to lighten up 'cause dead people are funny. Killing people is funny. World War III is funny.
Not to be too peace-nik about it but this reveals a really frightening attitude by McCain. War is a horrible thing but sometimes it is necessary. However it is never a joke and McCain's casual/flip attitude chills me to the bone.
July 9, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
True, it really does undermine his whole "I hate war" attitude...though I imagine the media will just say "well, being the super war hero McCain is, he couldn't possibly have meant to make light of war."
July 9, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dead people are funny, unless they are dead young attractive white women. Then it's dead serious.
July 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay, Primanti Brothers!! Did somebody make news there?
July 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain campaign changes official theme song from Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran to Smoke, Smoke, Smoke That Cigarette.
July 9, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I bet the tobacco lobby is pissed off.
July 9, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, that's the slant the press will take: "Maverick McCain Scolds Big Tobacco"
July 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media will turn it into saying that Obama flip flopped on Iran. It doesn't make any sense but the press really doesn't care.
July 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's OK for McCain to joke about killing Iranians...
that's what his base WANTS him to do.
Why do you think people criticize Obama for wanting to TALK to Iran?
July 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Haw haw haw. That's even funnier than the classic
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
July 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or Reagan's joke about bombing Russia.
Cue the wingnuts blathering about how "liberals have no sense of humor" because we don't think it's funny for politicians to joke about killing people when they have the power to order people killed.
July 9, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just goes to show what kind of person McCain really is, imho. And it's practically guaranteed that somehow, according to most pundits, this reflects poorly on...Obama. He's too serious. An elitist. Can't get in there with the common folks and toss around a few jokes.
July 9, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's just pissed, because he knows akmadinnerjacket is looking at our elections and singing, bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, John McCain!
July 9, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
What defines terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians. What defines genocide is the deliberate attempt to wipe out an entire people. What defines John McCain is a pretty fucked up sense of humor.
One of the seven roles of the President is to serve as Chief Diplomat. Although the President is the Commander-in-Chief of the military, and not the American people, he does represent us on the national stage.
Given that the war on terror largely involves winning the hearts and minds of the region's people, these jokes reveal not only a striking callousness for human life, but a real inability to grasp what is expected of a President in the post-9/11 world.
July 9, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's just McCain's way of telling Iran to Butt Out of Iraq.
July 9, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow - that McLame - what a kidder! Let's give Iran cancer and social security is a disgrace?
How many more months of this do we have? I really think McLame is the most pathetic candidate I've ever seen.
July 9, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cindy spanked him. That's kinda cool in an Anne Rice sorta way.
July 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reporter thought it was HILARIOUS!
July 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to say this, but I bet that many Americans are muttering, "Right on, McCain," under their breaths.
For reasons beyond my comprehension, cowboy diplomacy has its supporters.
July 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty small group who want to kill civilians, I would hope.
July 9, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a pretty nast piece of work.
How about his talk about g**ks and how he will hate them as long as he lives.
Now he wants to KILL Iranians.
And same prick calls his wife the C-word.
This guy is like Bush II, just as much the asshole fratboy who doesn't study.
July 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
McFuddle is a disgrace for "American Values". I envision the world leaders are just shaking their heads at this joke of a candidate. KILL, KILL, AND KILL from a guy who has been tortured and says he hates war! What a complete and total asshole!
July 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Charming snicker, Beavis.
July 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, guys, hold on. He was a POW in Vietnam, remember? It's ok for him to say this because he was a POW. It's that experience that shows how much he loves America, how great of a President he'd be, and how safe we'll be when he becomes President.
Didn't you guys know he was a POW? Maybe he hasn't said it enough, hmmm. Maybe Idioti and Pickler from AP should break that story bc I don't think enough people have heard that he was a POW. Then you all would understand that it's ok to makes multiple jokes about obliterating men, women, and children from a country we have no business going to war with if only to provide long-term security to the oil industry and military contractors.
What a horses a$$...
July 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
This will get more play in foreign media and will left the rest of the world dumbfounded when McCain is elected in November.
The way he likes to joke about death and killing is unnerving, but it would be written off as the old soldier humor in him. I don't know if anybody knows this or not, but he was a POW afterall.
July 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck Todd mentions it on First Read, but adds:
Still, if McCain can't be McCain, then he'll lose some of his appeal.
I think he should go for it and make plenty of idiotic remarks and jokes that fall flat . . .
July 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this is what Obama meant by urging diplomacy.
July 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
By pointing out the health risks of smoking, McCain only makes it that more difficult for American businesses to sell their products.
Why does John McCain hate America?
July 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a crass old gasbag who would be dangerous in office.
July 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM will pick up on this if it gets a lot of attention on the blogs and on YouTube. Otherwise they'll ignore it.
July 9, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a classy guy. If elected, I think we will be as proud to have him represent the U.S. to the world as we are of Bush.
July 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Veteranshz joke about theshze thingshz. They have their own way of talkin'. If you don't get the joke, get a life. End of story.
WTF?
A small group of non-veterans got us into the sandbox and it's no joke. There's one more joke they want to play before they leave and it doesn't involve cigarettes.
July 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who believes that we won't be invading Iran on Inauguration Day if McCain becomes president is truly deluding themselves. The man is a warmonger, pure and simple.
July 9, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or,or, we could send 'em our SUVs and then THEY will get the global warmin' . . .
July 9, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
not funny for many reasons. one of them being is that this is his second time making this kind of iran joke. also he says he didnt even have an answer for the guy and that he would give him an answer the next day. what is going to get his answer from the karl rove advisers and his pre-made talking points. Also cigs cause cancer, lets all be trying to prevent people from getting cancer not trying to hurt them. Also cigs cause pollution isnt mccain supposed to be the green machine
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July 9, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure the joke about cigarettes being a good way to kill will play well in Virginia and North Carolina.
July 9, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned his followup point:
"I -- unlike my opponent who is addicted to nicotine -- haven't smoked in decades."
July 9, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is astonishing, even if he was making a joke, that his mind went immediately to killing Iranians. This is the same guy who is supposed to be appalled at I'm a Dinner Jacket saying similar things about the people of Israel.
McCain is very dangerous. This remark shows that attacking Iran is never out of his mind. He is a War Monger. People need to be reminded of that.
July 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain has suggested rather matter of factly that it is his goal to kill Iranians, not simply to contain their nuclear ambitions. Since his views on "national security" matters are typically identical to those of the Bush Administration, the rest of the world will assume his comment reflects an actual desire on the part of our current government (and perhaps they are correct).
Granted, people in Iran and elsewhere have chanted "death to America" for years, however, the goal of the U.S. in foreign relations should be to try to raise the bar, not stoop to the level of demagogues.
July 9, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not a smart comment.
But, remember that Iranians have chanted "Death to America" for 29 years -- and they weren't joking.
July 9, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
They must have been joking if they have being saying it for all that time, and actually not done it. McCain, on the other hand, makes it very clear that he is actually eager to kill Iranians. That is why Joe Lieberman has adopted him.
You have to love a Presidential Candidate who says no nuclear reactors for you, but I will build scores more for us, because I am The Nuke Nazi. No Nuke For You.
July 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm stealing this.
July 9, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And there's that pesky little fact that Iranians have never organized a coup inside the U.S.
July 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell us one time when the Iranians have invaded another country.
Now let's look at the U.S.
Well, maybe not.
July 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a comment, it's nothing but a bad joke- insensitive but no big deal. But it does remind McCain is itching to go to war with Iran and that's troublsome.
I will kill 'em fuckin shites, sunnis or whateva, when I become president, I fuckin love wa..(wink & smile)...heee
July 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So McCain thinks cigarettes kill people? What's he going to do to regulate them in the U.S.? Will he promote higher taxes on cigarettes? Greater restrictions on cigarette advertisements? More prominent warnings in packages and in ads? Tighter restrictions on the placement of cigarette vending machines or the sale of cigarettes to minors? Promoting laws against smoking in public places?
It's one thing for him to promote killing Iranians. It's another thing for him to stand idly by while Americans die.
July 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday Josh noted McCain said this:
"Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace and it's got to be fixed."
How about once we polish off them "Eye-rain-ians"
we send everyone over 65 some smokes. That's a fix John can understand. And even the press might cover.
July 9, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note to McCain and most crazy-ass war hawks: The PEOPLE of Iran are overwhelmingly our friends. Their autocratic government is not.
July 9, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
We all have to acknowledge that where "presidentiality" is concerned the bar has been lowered unimaginably by the unelected puerile cretin currently squatting in the White House, arguably even lower than the level represented by McC's remark...prompting the question, is this "very presidential" behavior for someone we'd want in there as a LEGITIMATELY ELECTED president? Bush's behavior/record on just about anything has to be asterisked like a Barry Bonds statistic. I'm sorry, we do not have a president. We have not had one since 2000.
July 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, this is really depressing, that this guy is running for the highest office in the land. What a flaming asshole.
July 9, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vile indeed.
What I find most frustrating about this "joke" -- like the Barbara Ann/Bomb Iran "joke" that preceded it -- is that it shows that McCain shares a fundmental misapprehension with the rest of the Republican Party. That is this: the Iranian people are among the most pro-American anywhere in the world. A remark like this is not an effective criticism of the repugnant and theocratic Iranian regime, but rather a direct insult to the Iranian people. It worries me that our nation's leaders can't make a distinction this basic. Not only do we as a nation risk sowing needless hostility and discord with the citizens of one of the world's most ancient nations, but we totally miss a chance to effectively exploit a natural division between the Iranian government, which is hostile to the U.S. and brutally oppresses its own people, and the Iranian people at large. If the U.S. aspires to be effective as a diplomatic force, our leaders will need to grasp at least this level of nuance.
July 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
If elected, McPain will airdrop a carton of unfiltered Camels over each Iranian dwelling, along with bottled hot water for each dehydrated baby!
Seriously, the man is demented. This is another example of how he would carry on the Bush tradition - of being a belligerent macho asshole.
July 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
People seem to overlook the fact that McCain is a war criminal. He was shot down on a mission to bomb civilians. He did it eagerly and with great pride. To this day, he sees nothing wrong with that. Why the big surprise that he wants to kill Iranians?
July 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess we could also kill them by opening a Primanti Brothers on every street corner. Cheesesteaks with fries on top!
July 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to say exactly the same thing.... A few Primanti's pastrami and cheese should clog some Iranain arteries.
I wonder why McCain is in pittsburgh. He has NO chance in Allegheny county. He should stick to the "alabama in the middle" of PA where is deluded, racist, vote-against-their-own-interest base lives.
July 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, what's the big deal. As long as Cindy is always there to poke him in the back as he's about to bomb Iran, punch somebody, call somebody a c*nt.
July 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink