McCain Falsely Claims That Obama Is Denying The Success Of The Troops
Okay, here's where McCain's claim that Obama got the surge wrong is headed: Obama isn't merely denying that the surge succeeded; Obama is also denying the success of the troops.
In an interview set to air on CBS tonight, McCain was asked to respond to Obama's assertion that the Sunni awakening and the Shiite government targeting militias was responsible for improving security in Iraq, along with the troops' work.
After a long answer, McCain said the following, according to an advance excerpt:
"Our troops will come home with honor. And we won't be defeated. And there won't be chaos in the region. There won't be increased Iranian influence in the region. And it will have a bearing on what happens in Afghanistan, as well as the entire region of the world. And I'm proud of what they've done. And to deny their success -- I think is a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened. The American people will make a judgment."
McCain also accused Obama of denying that the troops had made possible the success of the surge, calling it "a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed."
All of this is false. Obama is emphatically not denying the success of the troops. He's denying the success of the Iraqi political process. He has repeatedly said for months now that the troops were responsible for reducing violence.
Obama, Feb. 21: "I think it is indisputable that we've seen violence reduced in Iraq. And that's a credit to our brave men and women in uniform."
Obama, July 15th: "As I have said many times, our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence."
Obama, today: "In Iraq, we reviewed the gains that have been made in lowering the levels of violence thanks to the outstanding efforts of our military, the increased capabilities of the Iraq security forces..."
Not that facts matter, of course.

I'm pretty sure Obama never makes a criticism of our foreign policy without mentioning the troops' service and heroism - or McCain's, for that matter.
July 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
yep, and thats the problem with obama:
he only talks about troop heroism as a qualifier to a critique. its never his main point. the next phrase is always something that is critical or minimizes what the troops are doing. its lawyer-speak.
July 22, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow thats a really pathetic attempt at casting aspersions on Obama's support of our troops without actually saying so. Charming, but the McCain campaign in a clear sign of desperation has already dropped such impotent tactics and are goin straight to boldface lies. You didn't get the memo?
July 22, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes or no.. was obama wrong about the surge?
July 22, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...
July 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Try as anyone might to support McCain, it is obvious that McCain is not up to keeping facts straight. Those comments do not register in any thinking person's mind since we have all heard Obama repeatedly commending the work of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain's comments just show that his memory is slipping and that he is even unable to keep simple remarks like this straight in his head. Can you imagine how jumbled up he would get as to what countries actually exist presently, who said what from which country and exactly how things have developed. Obama could not be more explicit but McCain still attacks on this issue. Is he actually so forgetful, are his researchers so inept or is John McCain purposely telling these big lies? Any one of these reasons are very problematic and sound very inept to me. Not on a Presidential level whatsoever. Sad to see this man with such a fine life story sink to these behaviors.
July 22, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, in 2004 I felt actual hate in my heart for Bush. This year, I mostly expected to feel sorry for McCain. I'm starting to severely dislike him now, however.
More lies from McCain's lackey, Scheunemann along the lines of those above, Greg:
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
July 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
ugh
July 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREG:
This video will be an excellent addage to your timeline quoutes to the story. Here is Barack Obama and the troops in Iraq. This is what he said and how they responded, nothing quells best than this video on the meaningless and baseless GOP attacks.
Greatly appreciate if you can include in the story and thanks for offerring the timeline.
July 22, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Video link, as posted on Huffpo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/obama-greeted-by-cheering_n_114315.html
While McCain tries to devides us here, Obama gives them a message of unity.
July 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for more than a few typos I see now, but you get my request, I hope.
July 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for more than a few typos I see now, but you get my request, I hope.
July 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that video, kash79. I'm forwarding that link to lots of people!
July 22, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
This, as opposed to Scheunemann's vast experience as a neocon who helped lie us into the war in the first place?
I think the press needs to give Mr. Scheunemann the Samantha Powers treatment. Why isn't the press looking at McCain's shady advisors? Why are they taking the words of this nitwit and passing them on without considering the source? Isn't considering the source a big part of journalism?
July 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, fine, I'll do it:
A well-connected lobbyist and political insider who serves as an advisor to Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) presidential campaign, Randy Scheunemann is the founder and president of the public relations firm Orion Strategies 1 and was an active supporter of advocacy groups aimed at building support for the invasion of Iraq. His firms have represented various military contractor and oil interests. Along with neoconservative figures like Robert Kagan and William Kristol, Scheunemann served as a director of the now-defunct Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a letterhead group that played an important role in building support for the Iraq War and an expansive “war on terror.” 2 He also headed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI), a post-9/11 advocacy outfit that pushed for war in Iraq. Like PNAC, CLI played a key role forging a coalition of Beltway figures who supported a Middle East agenda that had at its core toppling Saddam Hussein. 3 CLI members included McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT). 4
Scheunemann has served as senior foreign policy and national security advisor to McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign since 2007. In May 2008 the New York Times reported that Scheunemann had been working as a lobbyist for foreign governments as a “registered foreign agent” at the same time he was advising McCain. 5 “Over the past several years, Mr. Scheunemann met several times with Mr. McCain to discuss his clients’ interests. He introduced the senator to the foreign ministers of Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia as they tried to win admission to NATO, and a representative of Taiwan as it lobbied for free trade, records show. Mr. Scheunemann also accompanied Mr. McCain to Latvia in 2001 and Georgia in 2006,” the Times reported. 6 In March 2008, Scheunemann ended his registrations with several countries, according to the Times. A new McCain policy prevents campaign workers to be paid for lobbying work, but volunteers need only disclose it. However, “they are not allowed to participate in any campaign conversations about the issues for which they lobby, which would seem to pose a conflict for someone like Mr. Scheunemann. His work as a foreign agent could overlap on any number of issues with his foreign policy advice.” 7
According to the Lobbying Registration office of the U.S. House of Representatives and the watchdog group OpenSecrets.org, Scheunemann's lobbying firm, Scheunemann & Associates, has for several years represented the National Rifle Association. 8 In 2005, the firm also represented the Caspian Alliance, a consortium of oil- and gas-producing nations from the Caspian region. Scheunemann has also led the lobbying firms Orion Strategies (which he owns) and the Mercury Group. The Mercury Group, for which Scheunemann served as president, has lobbied on behalf clients that include Swiftships Shipbuilders, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, BP America, Air Force Memorial Foundation, Lockheed Martin, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunitions Manufacturers. 9
Scheunemann told the New York Sun that despite a number of “realists” such as Brent Scowcroft among McCain’s other foreign policy advisors, his own influence, as well as that of other like-minded advisers like William Kristol and Robert Kagan, has been paramount. "I don't think, given where John has been for the last four or five years on the Iraq War and foreign policy issues, anyone would mistake Scowcroft for a close adviser," Scheunemann said, adding that even if Scowcroft were close, McCain "was not taking the advice.” 10
Scheunemann has criticized the other presidential contenders, sometimes charging them with having a “September 10 mindset” that was not suited to fighting terrorism. 11 While commenting on former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's support for "timetables and milestones" for the Iraqi government, Scheunemann asserted that McCain "does not believe in timetables or deadlines, secret or otherwise. He has made it clear that setting a timetable or deadline is nothing more than setting a date certain for surrender." 12 In mid-2007, Scheunemann called the idea of withdrawing troops from Iraq as “ludicrous. Because the idea that we will be able to better prevent sectarian violence and fight al-Qaida better from Kuwait than how we are doing it now is laughable." 13
Scheunemann worked previously for McCain as an advisor for the senator’s failed 2000 presidential bid during a period when the candidate’s views on foreign affairs evolved dramatically. 14 John Judis writes that the candidate began "seeking to differentiate his views from those of other Republican presidential aspirants and from the growing isolationism of House Republicans ... [placing] his new interventionist instincts within a larger ideological framework. That ideological framework was neoconservatism. McCain began reading the Weekly Standard and conferring with its editors, particularly Bill Kristol." Shortly after his staff consulted with Kristol, McCain hired a bevy of neoconservative-aligned operatives, including Scheunemann, Marshall Wittmann, and Daniel McKivergan. 15
The impact of this group of advisors on the senator's thinking was revealed in early 1999, Judis reported, when McCain spoke at Kansas State University using a speech Scheunemann helped draft. In it, McCain echoed the neoconservative idea of "national greatness conservatism," arguing: "The United States is the indispensable nation because we have proven to be the greatest force for good in human history.... [W]e have every intention of continuing to use our primacy in world affairs for humanity's benefit." Judis reported about the stumping, "The centerpiece of the speech was a strategy that McCain called 'rogue-state rollback,'" a term Scheunemann claimed to have created based on rhetoric used by critics of 1950s Cold War containment strategy. 16
Scheunemann has experience on Capitol Hill dating back to the mid-1980s, when he began working for a number of congressional committees. According to his biography on the PNAC website, between 1986 and 1993 Scheunemann "served on the staffs of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and the House Republican Policy Committee." 17 He then became a senior advisor to Republican presidential candidate Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS) in 1996, served on the 1996 Republican Platform Committee, and between 1993 and 1999 was national security advisor for Dole and Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS). 18 In 1997, during the time he was working as a congressional aide for Lott, Scheunemann reportedly forgot to remove a shotgun from his car after a duck-hunting trip; when he drove up to the U.S. Capitol to report for work, he was arrested for possession of an unregistered firearm. 19
Scheunemann's PNAC bio states that during his time working on the Hill, he "was involved in Senate deliberations concerning the use of American military power in Somalia, the Korean Peninsula, Iraq, Haiti, and Bosnia. He also served as coordinator for Senate Republican policy on UN reform, congressional-executive war powers, NATO enlargement, global climate change, economic sanctions, ballistic missile defense, and technology transfers to China." 20
During this period Scheunemann helped draft the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act, which made the toppling of Saddam Hussein an official U.S. policy goal and authorized $98 million for the Iraqi National Congress, a loose grouping of Iraqi dissidents led by Ahmad Chalabi that has been widely blamed for channeling false intelligence about Iraq. 21 Scheunemann also served briefly as an advisor to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld early in the George W. Bush administration as a consultant on Iraq policy. 22
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1347.html
July 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, a part of journalism.
Journalism, however, isn't what's being practiced by most of our press corps.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
July 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't argue with that.
July 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost despise McLame more than I do Bush because McLame failed a very bright line, glaring, not one bit subtle moral test.
He was tortured, he heard his companions tortured - he should have been the last person in Congress to vote yes on allowing Bush to torture prisoners.
But he did it. Fucker has no soul.
July 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
100% agreed.
July 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is increasingly living in a quagmire.
Isn't it last week when his camp run "Obama Iraq documentary" showing Obama repeatedly applauding the troops?
Side Note:
I can see, if Biden were the VP nominee, decimating these ridiculous attacks by his dry hurmor.
July 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, that whole "Maverick" title has just been thrown under the bus. McCain is acting like every other Republican.
On the up side I don't see this helping him with inependents. Sure, this kind of thing helps him with his Gooper base, but anyone with an above room tempature IQ will know this for the nonsense it is.
Having not seen the segment in question I can't comment on the reporter, but if the reporter let this slide like walrus shit on an ice flow we can also consider the "the media wants to give Obama a hummer" meme also thrown under the bus.
July 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is boxed.
July 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
July 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
congrats fogu2...so glad to see your garbage and twisted logic. Your refusal to "see" with your eyes and ears is typical of a tragic troll just like your tragic support of Hillary and McFuddle!
July 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm again sorry for you.
After all your unwavering Hillary support (I assume you thought you were a democrat then?) your are left to carry the shit for McCain.
Good luck. You'll be busy. McSame does crap a lot.
Sorry again, "my friend."
July 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, not supporting McCain. Just providing the evidence that Obama is a sham and a scam.
July 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Evidence"?? Once again you have no clue about the difference between "fact" and "opinion". LOL!
As for being "unable to admit when wrong", wow! Pot. Kettle. Black, sport.
July 22, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry.
Here is part of what Obama said:
Thanks for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts, troll.
July 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, did you snip the part where he also admitted he was wrong and showed bad judgment?
July 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
His judgment wasn't wrong.
The Surge initially caused a spike in violence. This forced the Pentagon to scramble in its efforts to negotiate with Sunni tribes, ultimately leading us to begin paying them off for cooperation.
One of the key stated objectives of the surge was to disarm the Sunni militias. This did not happen. In fact, these militias are now more influential and better financed than they were before the surge began.
U.S. forces have helped reduce violence in several areas, as expected, but with tribalism now rampant, one of the key hurdles that we had hoped to cross has not become taller.
Ultimately, I think the course that both Clinton and Obama recommended in 2007 would still have been a better and less problematic path to the long-term stability of the government in Baghdad.
Of course, I'm guessing you hate Clinton now too (if you ever supported her, which I doubt).
July 22, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"His judgment wasn't wrong."
his judgment now is that he would still be against the surge even after seeing that it was successful. that is HORRIBLE judgment!! he would still risk failure over the sure success?? how can that be more idiotic?
July 22, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, the only thing idiotic is your complete inability to comprehend the complexity of the situation.
The surge, initially, caused a spike in violence. We were largely forced to begin funneling resources to Sunni tribes in exchange for temporary cooperation, a tactic that was counter to one of the stated goals of the surge: the disarmament of nongovernment military groups.
So, as of now, we are facing a situation where violence has been reduced but one of the key factors preventing long-term stability (non-government military groups) is actually worse than it was in 2006.
While the surge has probably had some benefits, it has also produced major problems (namely, rampant tribalism and empowered warlords). Consequently, foreign policy realists like Chuck Hagel and Colin Powell will tell you that another course of action would have likely produced many of the same advances without creating severe problems for the achievement of one our key objectives.
July 22, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yes, given the grotesque amount of resources put into a strategy that has had mixed results, I would very much prefer to go back in time and 'risk' a more sensible, less costly strategy that actually sought to secure all of our objectives in Iraq, not just a temporary PR coup for partisans back home.
July 22, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama is boxed."
Objectivity on Obama coming from the likes of you is as natural as a oral bowel movement - you're a clown. McCain is the one boxed in you drooling lunatic.
July 22, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that substantive reply. Sure sign that you know you are wrong but like Obama just can not admit it.
July 22, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Thanks for that substantive reply. Sure sign that you know you are wrong but like Obama just can not admit it."
..this coming from someone who actually believes that Obama is boxed in, despite damning evidence to the contrary - talk about not being able to admit when you're wrong..
July 22, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually fogu2, while you may have a point, the entire picture is still very unclear. The entire war is a horrible boondoggle and the surge plan has not resulted in the Iraqi's making the adjustments required by Bush himself, you know the benchmarks. What benchmarks the Iraqis have met - or met according to the Bush Press folks - have not resulted in reconciliation between the Sunnis and the Shias. Further, we are still paying huge bills for this hapless invasion. And the idea of asking Iraq to pay for reconstruction has been abandoned. I note that to date, no big influx of income from Iraq. The entire boondogle is a mess. Obama's trip to Iraq has been wonderfully successful and he gets it right. They want us out of there. The damage and loss of human life is staggering over there. This nut in the White House now had mucked that country. And further we have not paid for the damage to that country. Hussein's death is only that. Iraq has been bombed to hell and we expect them to fix our mess. This administration will go down in history as the most cruel, inept, maniacal in our history.
July 22, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. Until Obama admits that his judgment was wrong about initiating the surge he will not be permitted to now get away with saying that it is a success.
... yawn ...
With one admission must come the other. Otherwise it is hypocrisy pure and simple. And the whole basis of his candidacy was his transcendent judgment...
... yawn, stretch ...
which now turn out to be completely wrong on the surge. Like Bush, he just cannot admit that he was wrong.
... fist on cheek, eyes glazing ...
Why? Because it would provide the soundbite that McCain ....
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July 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, did I wake you from your coma?
July 22, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's obvious to anyone with even modest comprehension skills that you're not waking me . . . but putting me to sleep with your pathetic ramblings.
July 22, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
zzzzzzzzzzzz
July 22, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You completely missed the point of Greg's post in equating the surge with tactical operations.
July 22, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet more hilarity from the McCain trolls -- the war didn't start with the surge boys and girls. McCain supported the war (terrible judgement) and actually the purpose of the surge has not been met. If i were McCain i'd like to say that "We Won cuzza ME" as well, but its not like anyone is buyin it. Give McGrampa some milk and cookies and put him to bed. and try again.
July 22, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is taking the high ground while overseas and won't take McFuddle's bait to sling shit across the world like he is. But I have a feeling that when the timing is right Obama will let McFuddle have it with both barrels. He is more tragic than his age, spouse, military service or campaign disasters. He is nothing but a complete disgrace and his payback will be in November with a huge defeat!
July 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly - he's been doing that all along. It's been working very well indeed.
July 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard today that McCain used offensive language towards his wife a few years ago.
What I heard was really quite offensive - and I don't know how any woman or man for that matter could vote for McCain if true.
Does anyone have any links or information on this
which was purportedly said in public.
thanks
July 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euu_DMhsXQo
July 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was that word again, you know, the one John McCain called his wife?
July 23, 2008 6:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Katie Couric of course followed up with a question that said "Why do you say that? Obama hasn't ever denied the success of the troops", right?
sigh.
How is this going to play? YOu have the interview with Obama clearly crediting the troops, followed by this interview with McCain.
This is the only weapon that McCain and his campaign has, and we're going to be hearing a tone of this.
Antidote to this? Chuck Hagel coming out and rapping the McCain campaign, bad, and then endorsing Obama.
July 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but there is a clear failure in all of this on the Democratic side: Why are there not Democratic leaders out there EVERY DAY expressing outrage taht Obama's statements are being lied about by McCain and his surrogates? There needs to be a chorus on every point -- and on every rebuttal. But the conservatives are doing that better this week than the Democrats -- and that seems ALWAYS to be true. Say reasonable things once seems to be the Obama/Democratic approach, and that is not going to work in an attack campaign!
July 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might think they would have learned from previous campaigns. Evidently not. It is extremely frustrating.
July 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Kerry is out there (http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/22/tv-interview-potpourri-16/). But I agree with CT that it is very frustrating not to have others pushing back on this rubbish as well. McCain is obviously taking advantage of Obama's class in not sending partisan attacks over the ocean.
July 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink