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McCain Camp's New Attack: Obama Is The One Who's The Same As Bush

The McCain campaign is taking their effort to distance their candidate from the unpopular President Bush to a whole new level: McCain's advisers are now openly attacking Bush on Iraq -- and not only that, they're also saying that Barack Obama is the one who is like Bush on the war!

On a conference call just now with reporters, McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann compared Barack Obama's insistence on a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq to Bush's insistence that we were winning even as things went badly for years.

"I think the American people have had enough of inflexibility and stubbornness in national security policy," Scheunemann said. When asked later by the Huffington Post's Sam Stein whether the campaign was disparaging President Bush, Scheunemann dug in: "We cannot afford to replace one administration that refused for too long to acknowledge failure in Iraq with a candidate that refuses to acknowledge success in Iraq."

Forget "McSame." The candidate who would really continue Bush's policies is "BushBama."


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That's just pathetic. That will never work.

And that's exactly why Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, and the other flapping lips on cable news will eat it up.

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Isn't is clearly OBush or OBusha, not BushBama?

Bushama?

DO THE DADGUM MATH OHIOMEISTER.
IF Packer OL = Steeler DL, Then 2X Bush + FOX = Obama. I thought buckeyes made it through the snow to school.

Pathetic? It's hilarious!

Desperation.

Holy shit...this so orwellan...what sense does this latest example mean of McFuddle speak?..what is the point here?

Here Rovie, come here boy... That's a good Rovie . . . ok now go fetch!

Let's see how the MSM responds to this. If they don't mock the McCain incessantly about this nonsense, then they deserve all the scorn they are going to receive...

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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... Oh no, I just wet myself I'm laughing so hard.

yeah definitely desperation. but does this also mean that obama should get the voters who approve of Bush too? If so then the mccain camp has conceded the nomination.


Awkward Exchange between McCain’s press aides and St. Louis Reporter

April Fools joke in July?!

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That's pretty comical.

Having said that, I'd love Obama to keep branding McCain with the "third Bush term" meme he was repeating in earlier speeches. It was highly effective and was working, not sure why it was let go.

But as for McCain attacking Obama for being like Bush, simple retort: "Whose convention will Bush be speaking at?"

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That DNC ad was masterful, what with the Bush-McCain "hug"--makes me cringe every time I see it.

The DNC should pony up some of its (teeny tiny amount of) cash and play that puppy on the TV, not just on the web.

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No shit!

That was such a great ad.

HA! Exactly!

And Bush is beginning to make it look like Herbert Hoover's second term as well.

You're right! Remember studying about Hooverville's? Well... "Bushville" tent cities are cropping up all over the nation for people that have become homeless. We have one right here in Reno, NV.
We need someone that knows how to restructure dead communities to pump some life back into them from the ground up... like Obama has done in the Chicago area.
As far as having the best advisors coming on board for a presidential candidate- Jann Wenner's personal endorsement piece in Rolling Stone Mag for Barack shows that the top people are lining up by the day to back this guy.
Let's hope that McCain's camp foolishly goes with this crazy BushOma comparison campaign! And shoot themselves in the foot!

The maverick is backfiring like a pinto.

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Don't you mean like a small private plane?

Strategy '08

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like a Nova. ¡Es no va!

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I figured one of y'all would've said "Like a 36 Packard" by now.

lol.

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When will somebody ask McCain if the SURGE worked - why then do we continue to have 15,000 troops MORE than what we had in Iraq in 2007 BEFORE the surge? Why hasn't the total dropped a great deal from what we had in 2007?

Usually when something WORKS, that means there's LESS work to do and LESS workers (in this case - troops) needed --- not the SAME or MORE!

When will Pres Bush Visit downtown Baghdad now that the SURGE WORKED? When will McCain visit there WITHOUT troops and helicopters surrounding him?

The SURGE calmed things, but if didn't WORK - working means less troops, Iraqi's are securing themselves --- this hasn't happen.

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Hey Coonsey- you wrote:
"When will somebody ask McCain if the SURGE worked - why then do we continue to have 15,000 troops MORE than what we had in Iraq in 2007 BEFORE the surge? Why hasn't the total dropped a great deal from what we had in 2007?"
Have you studied the "The Project for a New American Century" formed and signed in 1997 by all our idiotic cabinet members? The official site has been removed recently but you can google 1,000's of others that have copies and comments on it.
This whole thing is a bunch of boys sitting around smoking cigars and drinking scotch 'n puttin' their little pinheads together to figure out how to make a shit load of money. Cheney has the most shares in Halliburton of any of them, although they all have significant shares.

Newsflash!!! This isn't even a war.

Plain and simple it's stealing lives and money from whomever they can for as long as they can. As the UN said in the beginning- this is one of the biggest crimes ever made in recorded history on this planet. No one does anything because they are threatened or they disappear to one of the 7 torture/ holding camps.
Yes, let's call it what it really is- PROFITEERING to the maximum power. The World has been scammed. 9/11 was brilliantly pulled off to carry out their "pre-emptive strike for control of oil" to cloud the truth for most citizens.... but not all of us.

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Right. Refused for too long to acknowledge failure in Iraq. Like when Bush walked through a Baghdad market wearing a flak jacket surrounded by 100 armed soldiers and guarded by air cover and said that it demonstrated how safe the market was? Oh wait.. that wasn't Bush...

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No, Bush is more into the "It's so safe here that I have to sneak into another country without telling them and only have my visit made public once I'm doing a near-vertical take off out of the airport" thing. Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad goes to Iraq and is greeted with what? Candy and flowers...

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So he changes his position so often that Randy finds it hard to rebut what he says (as asshat Randy said yesterday on "All Things Considered") but now he's stubborn and won't change his position?

Who's minding the store there, anyway?

Excellent point. He's a stubborn, head-strong, flip-flopper...

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Somebody around here actually predicted just a couple of days ago that this is what they would do. Josh oughtta send that person a TPM mug or something. Or -- no, I've got it: a T-shirt with just the creepy grin on it, like the Cheshire Cat out of Alice in Wonderland.

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McCain can CLAIM he's not a second Bush -- but videos prove otherwise. I can't wait till they start showing up in October before election day on the daily news and talk shows.

Rachael Maddow on Countdown last night showed a video of him doing just that - supporting Bush 100%.

Is this for real? Is only July and they're already out of ideas... This fall is going to be awesome: The Republican campaign is a series of accidents waiting to happen.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (gasp)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(wheeze; clutch sides)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...etc. ad infinitum...

Yeah, that pretty much sums up my reaction, too.

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want to try something - embedding


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Didn't work, here's Countdown's website and story about BUSH/MCCAIN backing of Iraq!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25695873

McCain is getting desperate. Anything to seem relevant. He'll flip flop on this Bushism all too soon and then continue to flop, flop, flop.

Oh my the McSame camp has simply sunk to a pathetic new low...I mean Obama like Bush? Oh dear oh dear, that is absolutely hilarious...Come November!

WOW! That's a quite a reach.

"Most Liberal Senator/Just like Bush"

Add it to the ever-increasing pile of contridictory labels the McCain camp is trying to throw at Obama.

When Bush was told Obama is the new Bush, W apparently burst in his signature quirky smile shimmered his shoulders and quipped, "I tol'ya, Texas Tan, works like magic." ..hheeee...[shoulder bouncing]...hheeee

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well...when you're right, and you've been right since the beginning ofthis godforsaken enterprise, than yeah, you're gonna be infelxible.

The IRAQ WAR WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.

It's in our interest to end it and get out of there as quickly as possible.

McCain seems to think that just because "the surge has worked" that that somehow justifies us going into Iraq in the first place.

Of course, they can't concede that the war was a mistake. So this is what they have to do...

Wow. The audacity of it simply leaves me breathless. Are they really so short on plausible lines of attack? Wow...

I'm not sure I can keep up with the many different faces of John McCain. And maybe that's the strategy. He's just too blurry to pin down and that's how he'll get elected.

A true flip-flopper knows how to flip, then hold for a certain period of time, then flop.

For a man over 70, he changes positions pretty quickly.

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Speaking of reporters, has everyone see the video of the St. Louis Fox reporter sparring with McCain's press handlers, from Huff Po and that is posted on the TPM home page? Hilarious! Seriously, worth the 3 minute watch. Guess not all press are fond of the McCain BBQ! LOL.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/reporters-spar-with-mccai_n_113085.html

The McCain campaign is turning into the monkey house at the zoo. Just fling any crap you can find and hope some of it hits.

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i think they know they cant win in a fair fight over the issues.

so they're just trying to muddy the waters and try to make Obama seem less "pure" than he actually is...

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Greg? Erik?

When Randy said this, could anyone hear audible giggling, or anything?

Are you going to have the audio of this?

Up is down, down is up, left is right, and Obama is Bush.

If this actually sells with the American public we might as well convert the nation to a complete oligarchy, because we will have shown to be too damned stupid to be trusted with a representative government.

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Black is white. Up is down. Less is more. More is less. Green is the new pink. Fred is the new Ginger.

What the fuck is the Schuenemann doing? What a moron.

Last week, he was accused of flip-flopping for suggesting that he'll listen the commanders on the ground to implement his withdrawal plan. Now he is too stubborn and bush-like in his policies. Yesterday senator Mc Cain told us that only facts should dictate policies but he has no problem supporting the decision to go to war based on false assertions. He still thinks that it was the right to invade Iraq even if we have not found WMD and Saddam has no link to al-qaeda. If Senator Mc Cain win this election, it will be because he is able to pull out nonsense on a daily base without being called on his inconsistencies by the medias.

I am now dreading the next New Yorker frontpage.

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LOL!

One Week: Greatest Flip-Flopper ever known, will say anything to win.

Next Week: Too Stubborn, too stuck in his own ways, just like Bush.

Third Week: ?

Gods, they aren't even trying anymore are they? Have they conceded defeat this early on?

McCain 08 will make Dole 96 look like a well focused, spirited disciplined campaign.

But without Bob Dole's charisma...

karl rove is that you? why ar eyou throwing your friend under the bus?

Which Bush?

If Obama acknowledges progress and success he must agree that McCain's POV is correct.

If not, his 16 month timetable will seem unrealistic and he'll have to admit his preconception was wrong or do another flip-flop.

Clever.

That's not the case at all.

McCain's assertions of success provide a good argument for withdrawal.

Scratch that, I guess it's clever if you're a moron with no grasp of the complexities of foreign policy or the counterintuitive nature of McCain's argument.

In other words, if you're like Bush...

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He acknowledged that violence was down--last night, on Larry King. Did you miss that?

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you're confusing strategy with tactics.

even if the tactics are correct (the surge for example) that doesn't mean the overall strategy (going to war in iraq for no good reason at all) was a good one.

it's perfectly possible to think the surge has worked (even tho it really hasn't acheived the goals it was supposed to) and to think the war was a mistake in the first place and should end as soon as possible.

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re-reading that, i don't think i phrased that corerectly.

its perfectly possible for the surge to be a success while the war remains a horrendous distraction that doesn't make us safer.

in other words, just because the surge has worked (as the mccain camp claims) doesn't mean we were right in going to war in Iraq in the first place.

Obama needs to keep making this point, that McCain was wrong and he was right about the war in the first place.


In other words, the surge is successful in the way that a surgeon is successful in stopping the bleeding after amputating the wrong leg.

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New headline about Foghat's real candidate:

McCain attacks himself for flip-flopping on need for more troops in Afghanistan

Right.

McCain wants to stop the bleeding that was caused by someone else, mend the leg so that the patient can live and stick around to make sure the operation was a success.

Obama just sees the bleeding and wants to walk out of the room and leave the patient to die becasue he has another appointment to get to.

fogu2...you are such a dickhead...

you really are becoming boring and your posts are really unprovoking...losing your edge?

I have to say... I think McCain's got a good point in this particular case, and I am surprised to say it!

Holy hell, talk about desperation!

This ridiculous runaround is EXACTLY why Dems would do well, in any circumstance, to stake out their positions on national security issues, and stick with them, and not back down whenever someone with an (R) next to their name says "boo!"

For so many years, recounted many times in these comment threads to be sure, Dems have said things that they figured would make them seem "serious" about foreign policy by more-or-less parroting what the Republicans would say, but maybe with a just slight tinge of Democratic nuance. Republican-lite, in other words. Well, imagine trying to follow McCain's lead on anything he's said lately - it would be a campaign disaster.

I just hope Obama doesn't feel like he has to say or do anything more to placate the implacable. FISA was bad enough. None of this "I'll promise to stay in Iraq as long as we need just to show John McCain how serious a thinker I am" bullshit. In fact, I'd like to see more offense on the part of Obama, taking down McCain on all the crap he's peddled in the past 3 months.

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Senator Obama hasn't even taken office (if he should win it) and you (Left) agree that McCain has a POINT?

There is a huge difference between Bush and Obama on Iraq --- Obama WANTS to leave. Bush/McCain want to STAY!

Obama's not had a CHANCE to RECONSIDER his views -- Bush had almost 7 years before he finally did.


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This has got to be the DUMBEST thing ever. I guess Jimmy Carter didn't work so now they are trying to use Bush.

One GOOD thing about the Obama campaign is that they have been attacking McCain the same way every single day which is that McCain will be Bush's third term. Since they have been consistent, this attack like is sticking.

The McCain campaign has been very inconsistent in attacking Obama whether it is he is a flip flopper or naive or not trustworthy and now it is he is like Bush.

The problem with Bush was he wasn't a flip flopper at all but he is too rigid. So how can Obama be both a flip flopper and too rigid? Either you are one or the other.

Next week I wonder what their attack will be. Because Obama is going overseas for a week the McCain campaign will probably say that Obama is like Kerry.

They must be desperate. Maybe Obama's "rope-a-dope" with is supposed "moving to the center" is actually working. The McCain campaign doesn't know how to attack Obama consistently.

This reminds me of Hillary Clinton's campaign, actually. Didn't Mark Penn once claim that Obama was like Bush?

Where's that Clinton press release from ages past?

My thoughts exactly -- there was definitely a moment when Penn or Ickes or someone said, "Obama's to inexperienced, and we know what happens when an inexperienced guy gets elected president, just look at Bush" or similar. Priceless.

Here's hoping McSame keeps pulling gems like this out of the Clinton playbook...

My first thought is to feel sorry for the journalists who have to sit through these conference calls every day. It's just one long campaign commercial but with less substance.

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Make that "one long campaign commercial with no substance".

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Does this remind anybody of the "I know you are, but what am I?" exchange that kids have on a playground? Geez.

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So. . . Obama's stubbornness in sticking to a timetable is the same as Bush's stubbornness in insisting that everything was going fine, BUT NOT the same as McCain's stubbornness in insisting that we stay there indefinitely?

In other words, McCain's cronies are saying that the problem is "stubbornness", not any nuance in policy, and yet their candidate is just as stubborn in his own way.

Let me get this straight. Obama is like Bush because he is so stubborn about insisting that there be a timetable for withdrawal.But if he says he wants to be open to "refining" his Iraq strategy, then he is in a flip flop. So absurd.

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When will Pres Bush Visit downtown Baghdad now that the SURGE WORKED? When will McCain visit there WITHOUT troops and helicopters surrounding him?

Yeah, well -- success is relative, ya know. I heard somebody say on NPR that the morgue in Baghdad now receives bodies by the handful each day instead of by the score.

McCain should know, as old as he is, petrified shit does not stick to the wall!

Looks like any controversial BS is in order so that the talking heads won't be tempted to discuss the Afghanistan debacle tonight.

pass the doobie, john.

Why aren't the Obama people saying that the real reason for the decrease in violence is the increase in the likelihood that the new president will withdraw occupation troops?
Look at it from an Iraqi view: why get ourselves killed to get them to leave when there is a good chance they'll leave anyway after the election?

"We cannot afford to replace one administration that refused for too long to acknowledge failure in Iraq with a candidate that refuses to acknowledge success in Iraq."

Wait. So has Iraq been a success or a failure? So, replace someone who doesn't acknowledge failure with someone who does acknowledge failure, and we can't afford this? Isn't this what you would want?

I may have pulled that a bit far, but the main point is that this is ridiculous (duh).

This is a mistake for two reasons - Nobody will buy their claim against Obama, and attacking Bush will not sit well with the 23% of the GOP base that still support Bush.

They're doing it again! They are attacking him for flip-flopping on Iraq and at the same time attacking him for being stubborn and rigid because he won't change. Just like they attacked him for voting for the FISA bill and at the same time attacking him for not really being for it. These guys are confused.

"We cannot afford to replace one administration that refused for too long to acknowledge failure in Iraq with a candidate that refuses to acknowledge success in Iraq."


Wow. So the Iraq war is both a failure and a success!?!?

And it makes Obama the same as Bush?!?!

How convenient it is to argue when you throw logic out the window.

McCain really has some geniuses working for him.

Well, y'all heard about the lady who got tossed out of a McCain rally for carrying a "MCCAIN = BUSH" sign, right?

Hey John - if you want to be seen as different from Bush, it's simple: SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT.

Josh said that it takes cajones to make the claim that Obama is the new bush. I disagree. I think it takes a LACK of cajones, as well as a severe lack of grey matter, to make such a statement.

I guess this means that McSame's new advisors are just as dumb as he is.

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I can't wait to see the timeline skit on Jon Stewart come October,...titled "Squeezy McCain, contortionist extrodinaire"...more twists and u-turns than any gramps alive.

I could say a lot of things, but I think I can best sum up by saying:
WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING PSYCHOTIC WEASELS!

At least Karl Rove had a goddamn brain!

Saying the surge worked and then reverse engineering to claim that therefore the war was a success is like saying that because the emergency room doctors patched me up and saved my life, the accident that nearly killed me was a good idea. Maybe I should go out and get hit by another bus since those emergency room docs do such a good job...

Idiots.

It will work. Tell a big enough lie, often enough, and you can "catapult" the propaganda. Of course, it helps to have a willing and pliable media. Black is white, up is down, Obama is Bush. It all makes sense to me.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business like to call, "cojones". Republicans obviously have a huge pair if they think this attack is going to fly.

The one thing I caution is that everything else they've said so far has been digested uncritically by the media at large and repeated ad nauseum. Perhaps they figure why not push their luck a bit further, and see what they can make stick.

Next week, I expect to hear McCain say that Obama clubs baby seals in his spare time. And then hear it again shortly afterwards on CNN.

The Bush campaigns were unscrupulous but they always stayed on message, i.e. they demonstrated much greater competence than the resulting Bush Administration ever has. By comparison, the McCain campaign looks like it's being run by a bunch of schoolchildren.

Offhand, this is the first instance I can think of in which McCain has tried to employ a purely Rovian tactic, the one in which you take your own greatest weakness (stubbornness/inflexibility/resemblance to Bush) and tag your opponent with it. Not a particularly deft attempt on the part of McCain and hopefully he won't improve with practice.

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Up is down. Black is white.

November 4 can't get here soon enough.

Excuse wtfomgbbqsauz?

This just in from the RNC...The McCain campaign has brought in George Orwell...to handle day to day communications and has added Herman wouk to insure that Mccain has his bearings straight.

Late ...late breaking...They'be just added Doug Feith to the Straight talk express. communications team.
What a stroke of genius.

Now THAT's satire.

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Regarding the "Obama is like Bush" charge there has just got to be some Geneva Convention provision against torturing logic so much.

I can't help thinking of Pappy O'Daniel's campaign in "O Brother Where Art Thou" -- the general level of clownishness has gone through the roof. Any of these could be straight out of the McCain camp:

"We got to get our own Little Man!"

"Moral fibre? I invented moral fibre! Pappy O'Daniel was displaying rectitude and high-mindedness when that egghead you work for was still messing his drawers!"


"I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! You don't tell your pappy how to court the electorate. We ain't one-at-a-timin' here. We're MASS communicating! "


Pappy's Staff: The reason he's pullin' our pants down.
Pappy's Staff: Gonna paddle a little behind.
Pappy's Staff: Ain't gonna paddle it - gonna kick it, real hard.
Pappy's Staff: No, I believe he's gonna paddle it.


L-O-L!

I quote Ulysses Everett McGill, "Well, I guess hard times flush the chumps."

;)

McDumb As Bush

From the Jed Report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsiADdmoh3E

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OKay this is the best place for this. Joe Liberman said that Osama Bin Landen said the central front on terrorism is in Iraq. Yet Osama Bin Landen is in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

If my true enemy is Osama Bin Landen wouldn't I want to take that fight to Osama Bin Landen. Of course Osama Bin Landen says the central font of terrorism is in Iraq he dosen't want us kicking his ass in Afghanistan.

Obama should have a simple message.
We are going to take that fight to Osama in Afghinstan, we will not allow Osama to bring the fight to us in Iraq or America.

Poor guys. They can't keep a message going for more than two days straight. And this one is clearly going to be a huge winner. Keep it up, McCain campaign!


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Pray it doesn't work.

This is the stupidist thing the Republicans have pulled thus far.Its like saying that Hillary is Laura Bush!!!

THIS IS EXCELLANT NEWS!!!FOR McCAIN!!!!

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So far, SkippyFlipjack at 2:22 was the only one to try to point out the most ridiculous part of this new meme.

Namely dozens of statement, well documented in the past here at TPM, by John McCain that can best be described as refusing "for too long to acknowledge failure in Iraq."

Statements made at virtually ever point during the post-invasion period other than the most immediate period before the start of the surge. And I wouldn't rule out being able to find overly optomistic statements from him then too.

It gives a whole new meaning to the word "SPIN". I'm surprised no one has said that cigarettes are the cure for cancer. Who knows? Maybe they are!

It give a whole new meaning to the word "SPIN". I'm surprised no one has claimed cigarettes are the cure for cancer. Who knows? Maybe they are!

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