McCain Campaign Falsely Asserts That Obama "Changed His Mind" On Iraq
The McCain campaign continues to push an outright falsehood: That Obama flip-flopped on Iraq.
On a conference call with reporters a few moments ago, a senior McCain surrogate, Steve Forbes, recited a litany of things that Obama has supposedly flip-flopped on, and said that Obama had "changed his mind" on troop withdrawals from Iraq.
This, of course, is false. All Obama said on Friday was that he would "continue to refine" his Iraq policies -- and what's more, he reiterated at a second presser that day that his 16-month withdrawal timetable was not subject to refinement.
The McCain campaign's efforts to work the flip-flop narrative into the dialog got a big assist from the truly awful reporting we already saw on Obama's comments. Nor are there any signs that the press will challenge the McCain camp's latest misrepresentation of what he said.
Will Obama ultimately shift his position on the timing of withdrawal? Anything is possible. But it just isn't true to say that Obama has "changed his mind" on Iraq.
Not that facts matter, of course.
Late Update: Here's the audio from the call:


















Comments (54)
McCain McCained on McCain. Make sense?
July 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do reporters get the opportunity to follow up on these conference calls? When a campaign says something just wrong, can and do reporters follow up on that?
Just curious.
July 7, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
it depends -- reporters can ask questions, but most of them already have a question they want to ask, so won't "waste" their one shot on a follow up on something like that...
July 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the insight.
July 7, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I mean why waste your shot on a follow-up when you can ask hard-hitting questions about what kind of rub they'll be using at the next barbecue.
July 7, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's my follow-up question:
When the $*#@ is the OBAMA CAMP going to respond forcefully to all of this?
What happened to rapid response? Not geting "Swiftboated" by waiting too long to respond? I love my candidate, but let's get the machinery rolling and go on the offensive already!
July 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to know where the media has been on all of McCain's flip-flops:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/search/label/Flip-Flop
July 7, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why wait on the media, who we know will never do their jobs? THE CAMPAIGN should be putting this out there and MAKING the press report on it.
July 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The main culprit behind of all of this misreporting was Mark Halperin of Time's The Page. He characterized the "refine" remarks as a "softening" of the Obama campaign policy towards Iraq. I've noticed how The Page has become the Drudge Report alternative to the rest of the media, and whatever Mark Halperin picks up is repeated by media blogs, and then the AP.
July 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus, Mark Halperin is such a fucking hack..
July 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he is. His take on political topics of the day has been atrocious.
July 7, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - actually ThePage is breathlessly read by reporters and bloggers as a primary source, so its influence cannot be out-stated.
July 7, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
July 7, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
On This Week with George S, Lieberman kept spouting that same line of BS, and Halperin continued it in the round table discussion. WHY OH WHY isn't the Obama campaign hitting back on this???
July 7, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It should be included in the "Fight the Smear" web page.
July 7, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's got it on his main web site, but Yes, I wish they'd hit back on this with both barrels. Pull a Hillary and make the media's bias the story instead.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
July 7, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
They did hit back with their surrogates on the morning shows today.
July 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm praying for a Robert Gibbs conference call.
July 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rove and his crew are taking control: they believe that if you repeat something often enough, people will believe it to be true. Ignore the corrections, just keep saying it even if you've been told a hundred times it's false.
Of course, the other possibility is that McCain's short term memory loss is accelerating.
July 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The tactic of repeating a lie over and over again until people believe it is true started with the nazi propoganda machine of the 30's. It's kind of telling that this is the way the republican establishment operate. Pathetic and frightening.
July 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's effective. And partly the reason that it's effective is something called "source amnesia". You remember something (Obama has flip-flopped) but because you've heard it so many times, information about specific instances get lost.
In other words, information about the source tends to get lost. So, you can't remember where you heard, but you know you heard it, so the information must be out there, and if it's out there, it must be true, right?
Every time the McCain campaign trots this crap out, the Obama campaign better trot out something in response.
I hope Robert Gibbs gets in on this.
July 7, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rinse-repeat-rule.
July 7, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Not that facts matter, of course."
Never a truer statement of the current reflection on the McFuddle's campaign efforts! These guys are so slimey and full of BS.
July 7, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
A little confused here. There's a follow-up that's more important than whether or not the campaign is telling the truth?
July 7, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, the media that initially did the misreporting won't "correct" themselves, just like they did in not covering the Pentagon propaganda story.
July 7, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having just watched the TPMTV edition of all the talking heads spouting off about Obama's "shift" on Iraq, I am once again flabbergasted by how the MSM now blatantly *make* the news with no pretense of accurate reporting or in-depth analysis. Suddenly, "refine" no longer means to fine-tune or subtly improve. Instead the MSM collectively create an all-new definition for "refine": to shift to a different position or change course. Huh? Once the MSM reach a consensus on what the news actually is, then they just repeat that self-created version endlessly. And McCain's camp latches onto it like a dog who's been tossed a meaty bone. The Rove-ian strategy of repeating a lie until it achieves truthiness seems now to be the accepted MO for commentators, too. How did we sink to this sad journalistic moment?
July 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I blame it on the O.J. Simpson trial.
July 7, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
How did we sink to this sad journalistic moment?
corporate profit and a rating game. journalism and journalists have become a celebrity driven media where facts mean nothing, intregity is for theorists and ethics get you an unemeployment check!
July 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched that TPMTV version too and was angry. I'm so glad Josh set up a separate page for those vignettes because now they are easily accessible.
The MSM is like a grand purveyor of rumor on crack. Once one person says something, it gets echoed forever. The only way to stop it, really, is to do what was done to ABC after that debate they moderated. Lay siege. I cannot think of any other way.
July 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's occasions like this where I think Obama can have the biggest impact not by simply playing defense and saying "That's not what I mean", but instead going on attack against the very media that propagate this BS. He seems to understand that this is the way that really bad policy like Iraq etc. gets implemented, through this horrible media-induced echo of plain lies.
The more he exposes this through his own campaign and media presence, I think the impact of these GOP vomit eruptions gets lessened. In other words, don't just respond to the GOP, let the media be chastened for simply echoing the falsehoods. That's the kind of the thing that gets their attention, setting the media against themselves, and completely derailing whatever meme that the GOP is trying to set. Make it a political judo maneuver.
July 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just noticed this:
"The" Steve Forbes?
July 7, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point is, why would you have Steve Forbes hitting Obama on foreign policy? It makes even less sense than trotting out Giuliani for a national security conference call.
July 7, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steve Forbes is Mr. Economy in the McCain campaign.
Here's what First Read had to say:
McCain camp lying about Obama's budget votes but who cares?
The McCain campaign is trying to push the "Obama wants to tax you even when you're only making $32,000...." An outright lie and misrepresentation of Obama's position. Surprise!
I guess what is surprising is that NBC actually went out and investigated before blindly repeating the McCain talking points.
July 7, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The invitation to the latest BBQ must've gotten lost in the mail.
July 7, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain clowns are unusually vocal Today, press releases, memos, new surrogates, is it me or is the McCorpse campaign stepping up its attack efforts on Obama? But it'll never work.
July 7, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was choreographed. Conservative pundits set it up for three days prior, Obama made a completely consistent statement on Iraq and they pounced.
I'm not sure there is much Obama can do about it. You can't really fight a lie if the media are so completely on board with spreading it.
It's amazing, and horrifying, to watch. I don't know if the media are actually in the bag or just incredibly lazy.
July 7, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
BOTH...
July 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the bag. The media are run by huge corporate conglomerates on the taxpayer doll. Fox hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you actually think that they want a democrat who promises to shake things up to win? Not in a million years. They want mcbush and the status quo. They will do everything possible to help mcbush win.
July 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I vote that they are in the bag. This story is a classic Republican style coordinated attack. It has all the earmarks. If the press was remotely honest they would call bullshit and the attack would blow up in McCain's face. They aren't and they wont.
July 7, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose he can buy time to refute the lie that the media are spreading for free.
I'd do it. This is a hit job. Whatever it costs, he should hit back.
This may get very expensive, though.
July 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain sees the writing on the wall, he's desperate and will do anything to move the attention away from his losing campaign. The corporate media is bored and they aren't interested in reporting actual news, so they go along with smears and trivial garbage coming from the McCrap campaign. We cannot expect much honesty from the media and the republicans.
July 7, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not convinced this is a BAD thing.
Look, if anybody is voting for Obama PURELY on the War in Iraq, this will not change their mind. Obama is STILL the best choice to end the war in Iraq. That's clear.
However, anybody who had the mistaken opinion that Obama was going to immediately send every troop back home as soon as he became President, and was afraid of voting for Obama, now sees that Obama is not a radical leftist, but a pragmatist, who will do what he thinks is best.
It's always seemed ironic to me that the media is more concerned about Obama's "flip-flops" on issues he DOESN'T flip flop on, rather than ones he does (like FISA).
Look, the flip-flop charged worked on Kerry. I don't think it will work on Obama, because for one, people's desire for change will overshadow everything else, and two, people are not THAT stupid.
They know: McCain equals more war (War in Iran?). Obama does not.
And that's really the only message that gets through. No neo-conservative is going to be fooled thinking Obama is suddenly pro-war, and I doubt any TRUE independents will either.
July 7, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The charge is broader than that, though.
They don't really care about campaign finance details, or possible changes in troop movements in Iraq.
What McCain is trying to do is portray Obama as untrustworthy.
July 7, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
This strikes me as one of those crucial issues where, if Obama doesn't come out strong, he'll have done immeasurable damage to his campaign.
There are many reason why he did so well against the Clintons but his foresight in opposing the Iraq war was certainly at the top. I hope he comes out clearly and continues to hit McCain for this tremendous error.
Heck, I especially hope he highlights the huge economic costs of the war and tries to put the number into perspective for the voters.
July 7, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The iraqi's even want a timetable for withdrawl of us troops. I really don't get this. The iraqis want us out and 80% of the us population want us out. The only ones that want us to stay for 100 years are mcbush, the king and barney the dog. Why in the f*ck are we still there??????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/07/iraq-includes-timetable-f_n_111176.html
July 7, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is calling somebody a liar considered an unpardonable sin in politics?
Most of these media people will put on an Obama supporter and a McCain supporter to show that they're balanced. Why can't the Obama supporters just hit back with an endless refrain of You're Lying. You know perfectly well that Obama has not changed his position on Iraq. He's still the candidate that wants to bring the troops home and McCain is still the candidate that wants to keep them their indefinitely. Nothing has changed about that and you know it.
Then just drown out every further attempt to restate the lie with: You're lying. You're still lying. You can keep spreading that lie, but it's still a lie. You're lying. Etc.
I know they don't want to be distracted from getting their own message out, but seriously, why let that stuff just slide?
July 7, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forget about this. I wonder how McCain is going to explain it when Maliki insists on putting a timetable for withdrawal into the U.S.-Iraq agreement.
July 7, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we have the McCain camp pushing a false story based on a false AP report.
Rightwing Gold!
July 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
....what is this nonsense in Iraq you speak of? Big Bertha is coming, Madonna has hypnotised Alex Rodriguez and CHRISTIE BRINKLEY'S HUBBY HAS A PORN ADDICTION. Iraq is complicated mannnnnnnnnnnn.
July 7, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!! Don't forget about Brangelina's twins . . .
July 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to leap to the MSM's defense or anything, but after going through the top 30 election stories on Google news, it doesn't look like anyone in print is picking this memo up. The press is flooded with obamacon stories and coverage of the Dem convention announcement of the acceptance speech being held in a stadium. This issue is quickly going into remission.
Or am I just a crazy liberal that only gets his news from print, or is one because of the other, or what?
July 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in all fairness, Obama painted himself into a corner by getting too specific on withdrawal plans for Iraq. Of course, it was that very specificity that helped to boost him over Hillary Clinton in the primary, who was much criticized by the most strongly anti-war faction of the party for not being specific enough.
But the situation on the ground has changed since then, and although his initial mistake might be said to be the result of inexperience, it is to Obama's great credit that he recognizes that this requires some re-tooling of his original plan. It is one of the problems with our political culture that such flexibility is invariably seen as a negative, as George Packer points out in an excellent analysis in the July 7-14 issue of The New Yorker.
Packer's piece is recommended reading. He concludes it with some good strategic advice for the campaign:
That would be a refreshing change, indeed, from what we have seen from the White House in the last 7 years.
July 7, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I meant to include a link to George Packer's essay in The New Yorker.
July 7, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. McCain who knows about changing one's mind... oh wait! Maybe he dose not know he, himself has changed his mind so many times? Come on, he is too old to be a leader of anything!
July 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink