McCain Campaign Accuses Obama Camp Of Coordinating With Webb To Attack McCain
Now the McCain campaign is accusing the Obama campaign of coordinating with Jim Webb to "attack" McCain's war service.
On MSNBC last night, Webb told McCain that he should "calm down" with the use of his military service in the campaign, adding that it was time to "get the politics out of the military."
Now the McCain campaign is responding to Webb, arguing that Webb's comments prove that Obama "can't control his surrogate operation." McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers sends us this:
If you didn't think this was a coordinated attack on John McCain's credentials before, it's clear now that it is. Barack Obama's surrogates are telling the McCain campaign to "calm down" about attacks on his military record? Seriously? Now somehow Wes Clark's attacks are John McCain's fault? It's absurd. If Barack Obama can't control his own surrogate operation, how can he be trusted to run the country?
The truth is that there's zero evidence that there's any coordination going on or that the Obama campaign wants this conversation to be taking place. Not that this matters: The McCain campaign is very determinedly pointing to anything it can -- Webb's comments included -- to drive the message that Obama is demeaning McCain's military service.
But no one -- not Obama, not Clark, not Webb -- has done this. No one.
Late Update: A Webb spokesperson strongly rejects the charge.

Comments (220)
It does seem to be a coordinated campaign, judging from Axelrod's comments on Morning Joe this morning:
July 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't show coordination. It shows that this topic is all the media is discussing.
Silly season is here. Get ready for four months of this level of political discourse. Start thinking about how things sound to someone who only reads the headline or catches a few seconds of news while clicking through the channels.
July 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers:
OK. The Obama campaign is controlling what Wes Clark and Jim Webb are saying about McSame.
OK. The Obama campaign is not controlling what Wes Clark and Jim Webb are saying about McSame.
Huh???
July 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This all goes to the theme of the republican party.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance (and trust us, you can't) then baffle them with bullshit.
July 1, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
T-shirt fundraising idea! :)
July 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best comment I've read in many many comments.
July 1, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL I thought the same thing when I read it. It reminded me of a scene from "Raising Arizona" where John Goodman's character is robing a bank and says "Everyone freeze and drop the the ground." at this point an old man who is still standing "If'n we freeze we can't drop and if'n we drop we won't be froze."
July 1, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait - it's both a conspiracy and proof that Obama can't control his surrogates? If this were indeed a conspiracy engineered by the Obama camp, I'd be really fricking impressed right now! Subtle and stealth...now that's change we can believe in!
July 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but we sure spent yesterday talking about it anyway, didn't we? But I guess if Obama had doubled down on it, they would have had to swallow and accept it right?
July 1, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, now this shows that the mcbush camp wants to keep this discussion alive as much as possible, because all webb said was that politics should not involve the military and vice versa. There is no there, there. Mcbush is really flailing on this one to try to keep it alive. Also, if I was mcbush, I wouldn't want to be attacking webb on military matters. Bad move.
July 1, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should see if McCain will go for a steel cage match. The nonsense McCain's campaign is spewing, it sounds like where they want to take this thing.
July 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm after the last Florida poll results got to McCain, he probably blew his cool, swore a string of ugly words and screamed, "I want those @&+@$&* shut up so do what you have to do. SOP for McCain. He is one of my Sednators and in fact, I am beginning to wonder if McCain simply has the problem that he is unable to read. Nothing that Clark or Webb said denigrates McCain's service nor his patriotism. Must be that McCain's campaign is so out of steam that he has to manufacture some bruhaha to get any attention. My advice to McCain, GROW UP!!!! At your age, you better hop to it or things get more and more hopeless as the years stack up. And neither of us in our 70s have that much time to waste.
July 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's my impression, too. And I think that's why they hopped on Clark who also said nothing to denigrate McCain's service. I can only think of two reasons they might be so desperate to accuse Obama's campaign of attacking McCain's service:
1) The campaign is very afraid that something will surface about McCain's service in the military that will sink his campaign, and they are trying to innoculate themselves against that; or
2) McCain has lost it.
I think maybe both are equally likely.
July 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And...even if it were coordinated:
Good.
July 1, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, coordinate away says I!
July 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I third.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't coordination of efforts to win the debate the VERY DEFINITION of a political campaign?
July 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama just said in his press conference:
July 1, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two months ago???
July 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boo f!@#$%^ hoo, Johnny boy.
They are REALLY threatened when somebody with stellar military credentials questions the emperor's wardrobe, aren't they. Fun to watch. If we're really lucky maybe Johnny will have a full-scale meltdown one of these days.
And it's really great seeing the Obama campaign get its act together today. I think they were just caught off guard yesterday. I'm feeling a whole lot better now.
July 1, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Sen McCain. By all means, please help to keep this story going.
July 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
And please continue to pick fights with a highly decorated Marine and former Secretary of Navy.
July 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
correction, Saint Ronnie's Navy Sec. yes, bring it. pleasepleaseplease.
July 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would rather see this fight over the way clark was handling it. Major, major difference in tone and manner by webb. Totally different way in handling the situation and it goes back to obama's general theme, mcbush war hero, stipulated, now let's talk turkey. Big, big difference.
July 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the way Clark has handled this. He stipulated McCain's status as a war hero, and then said that he had poor judgment in matters of military strategy and foreign policy. It looks like the Obama camp is backing him up a little better now. They certainly should. Clark would be a huge asset for them. He and Webb are both bona fide Democrats that are not afraid of Republicans.
July 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
He bit at and gave the sound bite. That was the problem. I agree if you wade through his preliminary answer he was kind of sort of saying what you said, but then he gave the sound bite. Big mistake. The media ignored everything else and ran with the sound bite and twisted it into clark attacking mcbush's patriotism. Big mistake.
July 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I thought the biggest problem with Clark's soundbite was the timing. With Obama doing the big patriotism speech on Monday, the campaign didn't want anything to overshadow it. I think THAT was the real reason Clark went under the bus. If Clark had made those comments today, I think he'd have gotten more campaign support.
July 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clark was on today, as a matter of fact -- on "All Things Considered." I guess he's back on the bus and not under it any more.
July 1, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks to me the McCain campaign flogging this storyline is the very definition of a bad strategy.
It makes McCain look more and more like a crybaby whiner.
"Maaaaah! Wesley and Jimmy won't stop lookin' at me!! Make them stop, Maaaah!!"
July 1, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, this is so out in left field.....I saw that interview, and Sen. Webb actually did just the opposite. He was very respectful of McCain and all soldiers and veterans, very happy to get his G.I. bill passed, which was why he was on in the first place. When pressed by Olbermann if Bush and McCain, who are taking credit for the passing of that bill, were really involved or instrumental in getting it done, Webb had to admit no, they were not. Then he made the point that we should keep the military out of politics and focus on issues.
Exactly what happened here, did McCain have his hearing-aid turned down?
Just off the wall now, truly.
July 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, I am SO happy McCain did not take Webb's advice to calm down, because McCain is now looking desperate.
July 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every criticism against McCain is a dig against the military and veterans. Every difference of opinion means you Don't Support the Troops. Don't you people get all my memos to read off from Fox News like I do?
July 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you notice how olberman kept trying to draw out the sound bite and make news and webb wouldn't take the bait. Now that's how you do it. You don't take the bait, like clark unfortunately did with schieffer.
July 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael: I did note that, Webb really did not want to go there. He wanted to rejoice in getting our soldiers and veterans some additional benefits, rightly so!
July 1, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's another thing I like about the guy. It was more about the soldiers than taking credit or trying to take credit from others. The guy really is a good person and authentic. I really like the guy.
July 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain and I want to get the benefits to the people who really need it ... Haliburton. Screw the troops.
July 1, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the quote from Webb:
The idea of collusion between Webb and the Obama campaign on this is hilarious because this is essentially the same thing Webb said about a year ago when he faced off against Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press". In both cases, the message was "don't put political words into the mouths of soldiers."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTiuYCZ9Xiw
July 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
SO WHAT if people were "demeaning" your military service? They're not, but what if they were? Put on your big-girl undies and deal with it.
Honestly! Maybe being 892 out of 894 at West Point is a HUGE qualification for POTUS. Maybe crashing all those training planes was fantastic leadership experience. Maybe there's something there that the former Supreme Commander of NATO former Asst Secty of the Navy aren't qualified to comment on, or aren't experienced enough to see. Tell us what it is. We'll wait.
The getting shot down and the POW stuff are too tragic for me to make light of. The killing of innocents from the sky is too serious for me to make a joke out of.
I'm just saying -- quit whining and make your straight-talky-mavericky-cranky-old-fart case, whatever it is.
Americans hate crybabies. I know I do.
July 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear that. The headline should be, "Old man walks out on porch, shakes stick at sky and starts arguing with the clouds.
Really, McCain is making an issue out of this. This is a gift from heaven for Obama. All the time McCain is shouting, "I'm a POW," and now his strongest suit, his military service, is being attacked BY HIS OWN CAMPAIGN.
So what if McCain was a POW? What, the vientamese had some secret course they taught their prisoners on how to run America? Did McCain graduate the course in the bottom one percent, like he did the Naval Academy?
Go ahead McCain, keep digging that hole.
July 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, according to some who've been attacking McCain from the right since 1992, yes they did have "some secret course they taught their prisoners on how to run America."
July 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well stated ManOutOfTime!
July 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummmm, that would be Annapolis, not West Point. I think that Clark and McCain would at least agree that the difference between the two is kind of a big deal.
July 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh boy. I really, really, really hope that Webb goes on the evening talk shows to rebut the McCain camp's claim. I love it when Webb busts open a can o' verbal whupass.
July 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Webb doesn't take shit from anyone. He also doesn't fight dirty. Two reasons why I still like him for VP, despite the baggage.
And McCain's feigned umbrage makes him look line a whiner. Though I imagine he's doing it to prompt his constituency, err, the mainstream media, to be his echo chamber on this.
July 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: I know TPM and the left wing blogs are tracking it down minute-by-minute. But I wonder how this story is being played on MSM?
Anyone?
July 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a snippet from ABCNews (hardly a leftwing blog, wouldn't you say?):
July 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haven't checked today. Has anyone in the MSM taken note of the fact that they're acting like a bunch of fucking crazy people on this? Or are they still carrying water for St. John's sympathy bath?
July 1, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't matter. Most folks left of Newt Gingrich stopped believing the MSM over ten years ago during the Monicagasm. And fewer believe them everyday because they lied to us about getting into Iraq.
July 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
True dat.
The MSM is floundering around. And it's just what they get.
July 1, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorta like the automobile industry, huh?
P.S. I forgive you for the Lieberman mention down below.
July 1, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mmmm...is it me or does it seem like McCain's coming a bit "unhinged" here? Can I say hysterical? Does that offend?
I love this. I'd like to see McCain becoming more and more enraged over this issue. Blow it way out of proportion. Get really, really red in the face. Start yelling.
July 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. The words "taking the bait" spring readily to mind...
July 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
indeed. the only question is whether clark or webb drives mcGoo crazier. make that guy the veep.
July 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like McCain's magical "war hero" aura fades a bit when he's in a fight against other vets. Has he ever had to run against one in an election? Or has he been able to run the same schtick his entire career?
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, ages ago when McPain was first running for Congress, he avoided bringing up his military service. Well, at least he didn't use it like a cudgel like he does these days. These days McCain can be defined as: a noun, a verb and POW.
McCain's problem these days is that he has nothing, denado, zero, zip to run on other than shit that was done to him 40 years ago on foreign soil because, in part, he was a piss poor pilot who never would have been behind the stick of a plane if not for his daddy and his grandpa.
July 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that's NOT so. He brought it up in his very first run for office in a dishonest way that closed down debate. As an outsider he was getting the typical carpetbagger accusation during a debate, and his response was to milk his military background for all it was worth: "Listen, pal,"I spent 22 years in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of spending my entire life in a nice place like the 1st District of Arizona. As a matter of fact, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi." (Actually, great dramatic line that it was, it wasn't even true; he had lived longer in Arlington, Va., as a youngster and years later while in the Navy). But how can you respond to something like that? It makes the opponent or a reporter look petty and lacking in respect for Mom, the flag and apple pie.
When he got caught in the Keating Five scandal, when reporters were questioning him, his response was: "Even the Vietnamese didn't question my ethics."
No, McBush has a long history of invoking his Vietnam experience, especially to head off uncomfortable questions. He deserves no pass on that account.
July 1, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
McNasty is clearly going through his second childhood por lo menos.
July 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is so sensitive about his military record because it's so weak and can hurt him in different ways.
1. He got into the Naval Academy and got the best assignment after graduating in the bottom 1% because of His father the admiral. That makes him elite.
2. He did so poorly at the naval Academy for a bright guy and that makes him frivolous, non-serious, and/or lazy.
3. He did so poorly as an airman, crashing three planes before Vietnam and getting shot down after about twenty total hours of combat flight. That makes him incompetent and intensifies criticism about why he was an aviator in the first place.
4. As a POW he was out of the loop on learning any strategy, diplomacy, when to delegate, how to make decisions that have no good outcomes, and so on -- all the things one wants a battle-trained leader of the military to learn during war.
July 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
5. USS Forrestal "wet burn" incident.
July 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is that? Thanks.
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
On July 29, 1967, a Zuni rocket misfired, knocking off an external tank on another aircraft. Fuel from the leaking tank caught fire creating a massive conflagration that burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161, destroying 21 aircraft and costing the Navy $72 million.
McCain has been accused of causing the misfiring of the Zuni rocket, which was mounted on the plane behind him on the flight deck, because he 'wet started' his engine, presumably in a moment of flyboy humor. His father, the Admiral, then covered up his culpability in the incident:
http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
July 1, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dave, thanks for the explanation. OMG, that is a horrible story. Is this not well known, or am I just out of the loop?
July 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
There have been Discovery Channel and History Channel shows about the Forrestal fire.
People died. American Navy people died. John McCain may have been the cause of it.
July 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, if Obama were at all interested in swift boating McCain it would be too f'n easy.
July 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now *that* is swiftboating.
Leave all that shit alone. That isn't what Clark or Webb was saying at all. Clark was questioning whether those experiences in the military were relevant to being President. Whereas you are impugning the military record of a former POW.
I don't care whether or not it's true. What you are doing here is too much like the attacks leveled at John Kerry and your fellow Democrats will not stand for it. It's not what Obama or Webb would do and it's not what you should do.
July 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I saw the interview with Webb.
I loved the "calm down" language. It made Webb seem sane, and McCain like a cranky old uncle.
I'm not sure that the McCain campaign realizes how their candidate might be perceived as a result of this discussion.
July 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Webb did great in that interview last night. He is getting better and better at interviews and he doesn't seem as stiff as he did a couple of years ago. Impressive interview. Also, I found his vp response interesting. He totally backed off from the previous way that he responded to that question. Seems like something may be going on behind the scenes. There was a long pause and then "not really." Interesting response.
July 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That part cracked me up, two word answer. Olbermann had to fill in time with another question, it was kind of funny.
July 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, I got a laugh out of that one too. Tie it in with the way he responded before and something big is going on. I think that's why olberman left so much time, because of the way webb has repeatedly responded to that question before. It was news in the way of silence.
July 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yah, that "not really", then a little smile, that was great. I like the fact that he's not afraid to disagree w/ Barack. Shows independent thought, and I think Obama values that.
July 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is that an "accusation?" I mean, the McCain camp is indeed framing this as an accusation - but that doesn't make any sense.
Of course Obama's political allies will help him, whether by actually attacking his opponent, or, as in this case, by simply stating the plain truth.
You might as well "accuse" and accountant of proficiency in mathematics.
And coordinated or not, what difference does it make? What, the Republicans don't do "coordination?" Give me a break.
The Republicans and the media are trying to paint any help from Obama's allies as off limits. That idea is, of course, insane, but it sounds like some people are buying it.
July 1, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they're trying to make Obama have some kind of "527" liability so they can keep knocking down their caricature of Obama's "new kind of politics." Plus McCain needs the Republican machine to be able to smear Obama without making McCain seem like the sleazy one.
Since Obama largely dealt with this issue when he shut down the 527 groups, McCain is trying to point to a substitute "entity" to label as Obama's smear machine, namely surrogates. McCain needs Obama to seem just as sleazy as he (McCain) knows he (McCain) needs to be.
July 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha ha ha. If Walnuts hyperventilates over something as silly as this, how's he going to take on al Qaeda???
July 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somehow, the idea of McCain getting his knickers in a twist because of "coordinated surrogate attacks" seems more than a little hypocritical. More proof (if any more was needed) that McCain is following Rove's playbook to the letter (call the other guy's strengths weakness, and your own weakness strength). Shabby, but unsurprising, since McCain's whole campaign is based on War Hero-worship, and Faux News-fanned rage...
July 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know why you'd want to highlight Webb's comments by issuing this release. If you bring him into the argument front and center, he's just going to hammer McCain on the GI Bill again.
July 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
McFuddle should be fried over taking credit for the new GI bill....That is so low and depictable. I hope Webb broils him!
July 1, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused why people are so worried about the coordination angle. I mean, of course these guys are coordinating with each other. Why make a big deal denying it?
What's funny is that McCain is so prickly on the subject. If he'd just shut up about it, he'd pretty much win the Commander in Chief portion of the contest.
July 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the Republicans are afraid the Democrats will come up with a daily memo with all the things they want to say. I wonder what they would call that? Maybe a "Speaking Issues Letter?" Nah, to stiff. How about, oh, I don't know, a "Talking Points Memo?"
Wow! What a revolutionary thought! We should make a blog with that name!
Because, you know, for the last 20 years, when on any given day, 764 or more GOP talking heads were all saying the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING, that was a coincidence. There was no coordinating.
July 1, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
BREAKING... Bill Belichick accuses Eli Manning of coordinating with other New York Giants players to defeat the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.
July 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, Lamont.
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
fun-nee.
July 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very funny, where have you been? Hilarious.
July 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dressing up in costumes. Playing silly games. Hiding out in treetops. Shouting out rude names.
July 1, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it was Team Obama's intent to tease a "Niagara Falls" moment from McCain--where the mere mention of a certain subject sends him and his team off the rails--I think they found it.
Slowly, I turned...step by step, inch by inch...
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice reference. And I've been wondering myself just when and how Obama was going to find a way to make McCain melt down in public.
I think we may be seeing a point somewhere between the initial red glow and the puddling.
July 1, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
the only coordination i'm seeing is a coordinated strategy to intimidate democrats from questioning mcsame's military sainthood.
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Help me out, people. I'm having problems keeping track of the McCain campaign messages today.
First it was, what, exactly? Oh, I remember. "Wesley Clark sucked as a general. The fact that our candidate got nowhere near the equivalent rank of general, nor served nearly as long in the military in no way disqualifies our candidate from making really stupid-ass statements about the Obama campaign. And Wesley Clark sucked as a general."
Now, it's "Jim Webb, Wesley Clark and Barack Obama are all ganging up on me, John McCain, and that shows that these damn Democrats aren't behaving the way they used to. What year is this again? What country am I in? Why am I here? And did I mention that those meanies are ganging up on me?"
Geez John. I thought the Republicans could take a punch. Guess not.
July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think it's that wes clark's vietnam wounds don't count cause clark is an egghead west point valedictorian while mcCain is a real, 892nd-out-of-894 real american.
July 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
892 out of 894 is probably some sort of badge of honor with this crew.
July 1, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it was worse: 894th out of 899.
Still, either way, McCain is a bottom one-percenter, arguably far dimmer than even the Current Occupant, who at least managed gentleman's "C's" at Yale and later at Harvard Business School.
July 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
In fairness, and hey, we're all about fairness here in the Democrat Party, ain't we?, McCain's bottom of the class rank was due in large part to demerits, not just grades. He was good in stuff he liked, sucked in stuff he didn't and piled up a mountain of demerits for being a smartass and not doing all the stuff you have to do to pass inspection.
It's also worth noting, however, that the stuff he sucked at--the math and science and engineering kinds of courses--are the ones they kind of put a lot of store in at the academies, especially back then.
July 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, my bad. I thought that knowing the difference between up and down was important when you're flying a plane.
July 1, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note, too, that the things he sucked at were not the kinds of things you can BS your way through.
July 1, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In short: "Old Man Yells At Cloud"
July 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe this is a coordinated attempt by the McCain team to disqualify VP candidates they particularly fear. They want the military angle all to themselves. Let's see if next Jack Reed somehow offends poor Johnny.
July 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is a spokesperson something like a "surrogate"? I thought "surrogates" talking for the candidates were a "bad thing" and "cowardly" according to the McBush camp. Let McBush speak for himself and do it calmly so as not to burst a blood vessel.
July 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink