McCain Camp: Admiral Mullen Opposes Timtetable
The McCain campaign appears to have come up with their response to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's endorsement of Barack Obama's withdrawal proposal: Dig in, and keep insisting that U.S. commanders oppose it.
The McCain camp sent out a statement today quoting Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, from his appearance on Fox News Sunday.
"Today, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Mike Mullen, the nation's highest ranking officer, made clear that he believes such an approach could be 'very dangerous,'" said McCain adviser Randy Scheunemann. "Admiral Mullen further added that his view is shared by U.S. commanders in Iraq, who are 'adamant about continuing progress, about making decisions based on what's actually happening in the battle space.'"
It can't be overstated how much of an awkward position the McCain team has been put in by Maliki. By sticking to their position on an indefinite U.S. presence, they now appear willing to remain in Iraq against the stated wishes of the Iraqi government, if that's what it comes to. And as such, they have to cite current military leadership in order to convince people that it's a matter of necessity for America's security.
Curiously, the statement never directly mentions Maliki, only ascribing the timetable to Obama -- and it mentions Mullen twice. Full statement after the jump.
"Barack Obama has said repeatedly that, if elected President, he would summon the Joint Chiefs of Staff and give them a new mission: get all U.S. forces out of Iraq within 16 months, regardless of the conditions on the ground. Today, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Mike Mullen, the nation's highest ranking officer, made clear that he believes such an approach could be 'very dangerous.' Admiral Mullen further added that his view is shared by U.S. commanders in Iraq, who are 'adamant about continuing progress, about making decisions based on what's actually happening in the battle space.' Barack Obama says he wants a 'safe and responsible' withdrawal from Iraq, but is stubbornly adhering to an unconditional withdrawal that places politics above the advice of our military commanders, the success of our troops, and the security of the American people. Barack Obama is wrong to advocate withdrawal at any cost just as he was wrong to oppose the surge that has put victory within reach. It is a strategy for defeat, and it is the only strategy Barack Obama has ever supported."













Comments (58)
Yeh the Admiral wants to keep his job. Funny how they didnt parrot the same Admiral when he said we needed diplomacy with Iran or more troops in Afghanistan (at least not until a few days ago). Mccain is a piecemeal candidate. No cohesion, organization or lucidity just more changes than a well hued chameleon and more verbal gaffs than Dan Quayle on a cocaine rager
July 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is quickly loosing the perception of a capable C-in-C.
July 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't watch TV. How much attention has this Maliki business gotten in the media and papers?
July 20, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
my question as well? I did see Barack's CBS interview and I must stay, very impressive.
July 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it annoying how the McCain camp always includes "regardless of conditions on the ground" when talking about Obama's troop withdrawal plan, when he's never said any such thing.
It's not just a mischaracterization, it's an outright lie.
Here's a link to an AP opinion piece that spins Maliki's endorsement of Obama's plan as Iraqi political posturing to get a better deal from Bush:
July 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 20, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, embedding a link is not my forte!
July 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more try:
AP Opinion
July 20, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has always say that we need to be as responsible coming out of Iraq as we were irresponsible going in; doesn't that include looking at "conditions on the ground"?
Of course when he repeated that recently McCain called him a flip-flopper on Iraq - another mischaracterization.
So McCain says Obama is either irresponsible for wanting to withdraw in 16 months or he is a flip-flopper when the truth is that Obama has ALWAYS called for RESPONSIBLE WITHDRAWL and now the president of Iraq agrees with him.
game, set, match Obama
July 20, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, McCain has no credibility where this incessant war is concerned. He jumps from one opinion to the next. But he does tell Americans exactly what he will do if he is ever elected, But perish the thought. Unfortunately, McCain the straight talker has sold his soul to the devil and is now on the side of the Bushies. That in itself should disqualify him from winning. We shall see if Americans can sort through this Republican BS.
July 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is why we don't let the military run the country. Or does John McNeocon forget that we have civilian leadership to set our national policy? Should we ask military Generals about whether or not Social Security is a "complete disgrace" or can we manage that one on our own?
Man, we've sunk pretty far if it is not painfully obvious to every American how dangerous a precedent these guys set with their deification of David Petraeus.
July 20, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 20, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What else can Mullen say if he wants to keep his job.
Just ask Admiral William J. Fallon and countless others... If you oppose Bush, you get the boot.
My, What short memories we all have.
July 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"but is stubbornly adhering to an unconditional withdrawal"
Is it possible for Obama to "stubbornly adhere" and still be a flip-flopper?
Maybe McCain should stop flip-flopping and
stubbornly adhere to one accusation or another.
July 20, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
right on!
July 20, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Admiral Mullen is looking forward to his retirement too
July 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the meantime, Obama's landed in Kuwait where he and the CODEL are dining at the Dar Salwa Palace...stop not on published schedule
July 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been away from the computer for about a week - I had company. I swear it seems this trip feels almost like Obama's first inaugural trip - there's a real feeling of inevitability now - Obama's inevitability; that's my feeling from what I'm reading and seeing.
July 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Tena, wondered where you'd been. Wanted to let you know that "my demands were met" w/r/t my work situation - and without any screaming or gnashing of teeth, even. So, there goes the law school fund! But it actually worked out the way I wanted as my best case scenario, so it's all good.
July 20, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/20/10446/0072/95/554188
July 20, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
July 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wondering how the wingnuts will spin a giant reception for Obama.
July 20, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
They were all imported from France.
July 21, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Last I checked, Admiral Mullen doesn't speak for the Iraqi people. Oh, and Admiral Mullen is a hack.
July 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Timetables are dangerous, but time horizons are safe.
Also, to-MAY-toes appease terrorists, while to-MAH-toes are supported by real Americans.
July 20, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain does realize that we still have civilian oversight of the military, right? I mean seriously, there's a reason why we have civilians controlling the military, and not the other way around. I'm saying this as someone who has been both.
But really this is too easy. Just ask McCain why he was wrong when he said that if the Iraqi government asked us to leave, we'd have to leave. Obviously, by arguing for an open-ended and indefinite commitment of our forces in Iraq regardless of what the sovereign government there says, Admiral Mullen is repudiating McCain publicly professed beliefs. This is a pretty striking stance for Bush's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to take in actively going on the record opposing the policy of the two Senators in line to succeed his current boss.
Someone should probably ask him about that.
July 20, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey everybody,
This election will be my first time voting and I'm looking to educate myself on American (then later on international) politics. Can anybody provide me a website where I can read all about certain players histories? The four people I'm most interested in reading about are Hillary Clinton, Ron Paul, John McCain, and Barack Obama.
Thanks for any help..
B.
July 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're a young voter, then surely you would know about "the Google."
July 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Wikipedia. And campaign websites.
July 20, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
How dare you mention wikipedia to an innocent young voter!
July 21, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's a "the Google?"
Seriously...I tried that, problem is that I find too many articles with slants and biases, makes for a hard time judging a candidate accurately.
With wikipedia averaging two errors an article I'll never be relying on that site for important information.
Thanks anyway.
July 21, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
GORDON BROWN SUPPORTS OBAMA"S PLAN!!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/brown-plans-to-withdraw-troops-as-he-backs-obama-over-war-on-terror-872388.html
Gordon Brown prepared the ground for a historic realignment in the "war on terror" yesterday by setting out a four-point plan for withdrawal of British troops from Iraq by the end of next year.
Although he is refusing to set a detailed timetable for withdrawal, it is clear Mr Brown is in agreement with the US presidential candidate Barack Obama on the need for military action in Afghanistan to take priority. Both appear to be working to a 16-month timetable.
McCain must be having a fit!!
July 20, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ruh roh.
July 20, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, wouldn't it be nice if the MSM actually reported these facts about Brown and Maliki??
July 20, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Curiously, the statement never directly mentions Maliki,"
Damn. This made me laugh - coffee ALL over the keyboard.
Tell me you jest.
July 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this rate, US will be another Pakistan where military will run the government.
July 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric:
On the next McCain conference call, can you ask them to provide a direct quote where Obama says the following:
or this:
I've followed this guy pretty closely over the last year or so, and I don't recall him saying anything REMOTELY approaching what they are attributing to him.
July 20, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Top US military officers salute and execute the policies of the commander-in-chief.
When there is a change in commanders-in-chief, top US military officers salute and execute the policies of their new commander-in-chief (or they do not remain top US military officers for long.)
July 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric's got the right spin on this. I was reading some centrist and center-right websites today, and they were begging McCain to go the other way -- to say, "sure, okay, obviously if they want us out we'll need to get out." I do think that would have been the smarter move. Though it would have courted short-term "flip-flop" allegations, it would have avoided digging in to an outright imperialist vision of American foreign policy.
But okay, John. Be my guest. Let's make this a nice clear contrast.
http://americasfuture.org/jamespoulos/2008/07/maliki-did-not-just-sink-mccain-will-mccain/
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/07/more-on-maliki.html#more
July 20, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Iraqis are sick of US commanders making decisions they should be making themselves in their country which they are tired of being referred to as our "battle space".
July 20, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all, you have to understand McCaine:
He has never been in a command position; Was always told what and how to do. Not having to look at the consiquences of moving forward.
He never had to manage anything, always had some one else do it.
When confronted with a decision has chosen the last word.
Great.
Now he has come to his bivio (fork in the road), and most likely he will pull a Dan Quayle.
July 20, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were advising McCain, I would tell him to do the following:
While Obama is in Europe, marshall your forces and set your campaign organization right.
Many of your senior officials are attrited. Some still on board need to be purged prior to the primary.
There are many more scandals to come unless you do the purge now, while no one is looking.
No more Lieberman and fellow jackass Senators who know nothing. Because; everytime they stand up you have the Bidens and Hagels to shut them down.
Caucus his Senate friends and tell them, I go down you go down.
Tell the Religious right the same thing.
Call all the Repup Govs in the romm and give them the same message.
And then shut up till the convention.
July 20, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd really like someone (anyone) to ask someone in this administraion like the press secretary or the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Defense or the President himself; what is the difference between a "time table" and a "time horizon".
It needs to be asked over and over and over again because they seem to see some clear differentiation but I'm not seeing it.
July 20, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, they've entered euphemistic jargon death spiral.
If you say, "we need to leave Iraq, as fast as possible"
they say, "Clearly, Matt believes that decisions about withdrawal need to be made on a conditions-based basis -- consistent with what is 'possible' -- and thus he agrees with John McCain."
They can snow doofuses like David Gregory with this kind of talk, but journalists who aren't connected to the WH by a feeding tube are going to start making fun of them.
July 20, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read this today and thought of McCain, though I was reading a novel.
'Better to keep your mount shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt'
For McCain, it is just so apropos.
July 20, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, that sounded bad.... Try again.
'Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt'
July 20, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't the McCain campaign screen their conference calls? Good luck getting that question asked when the questioner comes from Talking Points Memo (I assume the long pause after the sign-in is for someone to use "The Google" and research who you are)
July 20, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the latest on the Maliki quote. The NYT now has the tape in Arabic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
July 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just saw this posted on ben smith's blog at politico.com. Glad to hear there was a tape of the interview. So now the ball is back in the WH/MSM's court. The question is will it now make into the big league.
I'm glad tomorrow is Mon, at the least I expect to hear about this on Countdown and/or Hardball.
July 20, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Admiral Mullen = Damage control.
The fact that FOX News felt a need to get Mullen on to defend the occupation shows the real impact of al-Maliki's statements favoring the Obama plan. It also shows that Obama's trip abroad is going much better than some expected. McCain and republicans see this thing slipping away fast.
July 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty much destroyed the "pseudo-retraction" issued by Maliki's spokesman. We will see how the MSM handles it now. I'm not convinced that they won't royally screw the story up.
July 20, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats nice, turns out President Obama supports it.
July 20, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"There is no substitute for victory".
July 21, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like how McCain is boxing himself in. If we stay against the will of the Iraqi government, then our government will be going against the will of a sovereign state. Rgat is not good and will displease the Iraqi's. What reason do we give the Iraqi's and American's for staying?
July 21, 2008 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because our Joint Chiefs think it would be "dangerous" to leave.
Yeah, I know.
Don't worry, this is the kind of question they're going to start asking McCain.
July 21, 2008 6:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
what is the victory, exactly? that is 'in reach'? can it be explained in, say, a paragraph? three or four conditions to be met? can anyone enlighten me?
July 21, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
So why start your post with a lie?
"The McCain campaign appears to have come up with their response to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's endorsement of Barack Obama's withdrawal proposal..."
"With Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, due to visit Iraq soon, al-Maliki spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh was quick to discredit the report, saying the prime minister's remarks were 'not conveyed accurately.'..."
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080721/NEWS07/807210362
July 21, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Young Voter, if you're still around, there's a nifty way to use the vast New York Times archive as a research tool.
First, in the left column of the main nytimes.com page, you'll find a (tiny) link called Politics. This takes you to a nicely organized and content-rich page that points you to current and past articles in both the NYT and the foreign press, as well as background information on the candidates and their platforms, an index of polls, and all kind of stuff.
There is also a useful link near the bottom of the page to the Politics Navigator, a selective guide to political resources online that was primarily designed, as I understand it, as a research tool for Times journalists.
Now to go deeper into specifics, note that key words in Times articles often appear as links. This morning's story about Barack in Baghdad, for example, has links to "Barack Obama," "Chuck Hagel," "Iraq," "Nuri Kamal al-Maliki" and other such key words. Clicking any of these takes you to a page devoted to that person or subject.
This is cooler than Wikipedia in a certain way. For one thing it's very fine-grained. I mean it's obvious that the Times might have a page devoted to Obama, but try clicking on Hagel instead. There's a biography, photos, video, and links to hundreds of articles and blog posts.
I think it's impressive how aggressively the Times has moved into the digital age. (They were the first news site, along with the wretched AP, to release a free iPhone app to make it easy to browse the paper from your phone or your iPod touch.)
July 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink