GOPer: China-Cuba Oil Myth Wasn't True Before -- But It May Be True Now!
Oh, boy.
Former Rep. Melissa Hart -- a Pennsylvania Republican who lost her seat in a 2006 upset and is now seeking a comeback -- just can't seem to let go of the myth that China is drilling for oil off American shores. She now admits the Chinese weren't drilling in the Gulf of Mexico when she pushed it last month -- but she says they might be drilling now.
Here's a clip from an interview with Hart earlier this week, with Pennsylvania blog 2 Political Junkies:
"The fact was that they were not at that moment drilling," Hart said. "But they may already be now."
Hart originally made the claim on May 20. This was before Dick Cheney retracted the story, so we were willing to let this tall tale slide.















I really don't understand this line from republicans. It's silly. Cuba can drill all day long in their territorial waters. Who cares?Maybe someone should press these bozos on these facts when they raise this bs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-romm/mccains-cruel-offshore-dr_b_111945.html
The off-shore drilling crap is a bunch of hot-air with no substance. Paging SFC Wallace. Three years and impact on oil prices my butt.
July 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
they just love this story, tho.
July 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've posted about this story a lot, but I don't think I've ever seen a firm answer on whether it's *possible* for Cuba to enter such an arrangement and exactly which areas they could drill in. Could you follow up with a little more detail, Greg?
July 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two points:
1. Cuba obviously can drill in its territorial waters.
2. Obviously, the us can't tell cuba who it can and cannot deal with for the purposes of drilling in its territorial waters. If cuba wants to do a deal with chavez or whoever, it can for the purposes of the drilling.
This whole line from the republicans is silly.
July 11, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
wickning1 this has all the detail you need:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/2/1543/23452/652/545495
July 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, that was very informative!
So I guess the big deal for the pubs is if we don't drill in the Gulf soon the Cubans will get a bigger piece of what's buried under there? Seems like a pretty thin narrative to push - but then most of their rhetoric is pretty thin.
Furthermore even if the US drills for oil it's not like the public is gonna see any of the proceeds. Most sane nations treat the oil in their ground as a national resource and put money from its sale into the federal budget. We just seem to hand it over to whoever wants to drill it up. Am I wrong here?
July 12, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely right about oil and other natural resources wickening1. It's a huge sticking point between Iraqis and Cheney on their oil law. Cheney and the boys want them to model their law on the US royalty system where foreign oil companies (Exxon, BP, Shell, etc.) do the work (find it, drill for it, pump it, sell it and deliver it, mostly to themselves for refining) and reap 80% of the profits. Iraqis want to model their law, like most other nations on the national oil company model. The control the system. They bid out the contracts to do the work and pay for the oil companies for their services. They keep the lion's share that way. In short Cheney wants to privatize the profits and socialize the risk and the Iraqis want the opposite.
The Repubs are trying to pin high gas prices on Dems. Claiming there's all kinds of foreigners drilling in our waters within the 200 mile restricted zone is the meme. Scary boogiemen like Cuba and China are convenient scapegoats.
July 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, that's not really wrong
we charge a royalty fee, but it isn't a "Market Value" or "Fair Value" royalty
in fact, I think it's a straight fee based upon acreage, not any oil output
July 12, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course it's true.
And oh, by the way, Obama is Jewish.
July 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone should ask her if checked Google Earth to verify.
July 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last time I checked, Generalissimo Francisco Franco had not come back to life but he might have by now.
UPDATE: No, he's still dead.
July 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Friday. Make that a WEEKEND UPDATE!
July 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo, jzap! (gad, I suddenly feel very old...)
July 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This seems to be yet another effort to scare the electorate using two tried and true scare items: 1) Xenophobia, and 2) national economic ruin. This is apparent even from her tone, which is Cassandraesque.
July 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
dear god - is BMW Direct branching out in to consultancy ?!?!? my goodness these are some gullible clowns
somebody somewhere is getting paid tons to offer this crap to 'em - teehee
July 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
what really gets me angry is the lack of integrity by the reporter. Why can't a reporter reply to statements that are incorrect????? But maddem, why do you insists on telling us this with no facts to support your answer and where did you get your knowledge from????? It's that simple. KISS
July 11, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The drilling issue is just the Reublicans latest desperate distraction issue, which they can exagerate and try and run on. I
like to ask the ones I know if they agree that if Jimmy Carter had
won reelection (over Reagan), that we'd probably be in a lot better energy situation now. But I'm still waiting for a republican to explain to me how issuing more leases, including offshore, will do anything to bring down oil prices? And where is the refinery capacity going to come from? And the actual transportation from offshore? Now, I see the republicans in the SEnate aren't happy about releasing oil from the Strategic Reserve, which might just
do a little something about prices in the short term.
July 11, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
tpm is usually really good about linking to related earlier stories. why don't these stories ever link to the dick cheney retraction, or some other evidence that this is definitely not true?
for anyone else who is looking, this is the AP story of cheney's retraction: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwl7MBs14OAtZbu1YJe8l-X7O8vAD91906B80
(kudos to the AP for calling the false story "false" instead of "controversial" or something)
July 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of responses to dnegri:
--Issuing more leases will not bring down prices now. But decision-making on oil development, including shooting seismic, drilling exploratory wells, deciding whether an area can go into production, etc., takes years. There are new projects coming on this year and next year where the go/no-go decision was made during the Clinton administration. So while it is disingenuous for anyone to say that issuing leases now is going to help prices now, it is what you do to guarantee supply for tomorrow.
--Refinery capacity actually may be in surplus in 10 years. The whole issue of the "US hasn't built a new refinery in 30 years" is maybe the most overblown issue in this debate. There's plenty of new refinery capacity on the boards in the US at existing facilities, or new plants in places like India. It's not an issue.
--How will the oil get to shore? Probably by pipeline, like they do everywhere else. This is even more a non-issue.
--Why would you release oil from the SPR now, when we face a real possibility of a shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz, which is precisely what the reserve was developed for? You're leading the American people to believe that it's like a buffer stock, to be opened up anytime prices get high. What do you do if gasoline hits $6? Or $7? We going to just keep unsheathing this weapon for non-strategic reasons?
--It's wrong for a politician to not tell the truth about China's activity. But the fact is the Chinese do have an agreement with Cuba for exploration rights north of the island. And it is a legitimate issue that 60 miles off the coast of the US, Chinese companies are going to look for oil, but we're going to pretend that we're just too good for that sort of activity 10 miles out. It makes our stance look even more self-absorbed than it is already.
--One last question: if drilling ruins coast lines, why would a beach house in Huntington Beach, California, where a decent canoeist could paddle out to the very visible platforms, put me back a few million to buy?
July 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to add another turd to this punch bowl. The local Fox Talk station here at Lubbock, Texas .... Had two jackasses going after T Boone Pickens Plan yesterday.
They repeated this line about the Chinese drilling off Cuba. One would think that a Miami TV station would have sent a helo out there to shoot a few frames of the drill ship.
But the kicker was that they added a new twist to this whopper. "The Chinese are drilling off the coast of Alaska too"! Watch for that line in the future.
Speaking of drill ships. Two years ago, the day rate for a drill ship off the west coast of Africa was $125,000 a day. Now, that ship's day rate is $650,000.
July 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
maybe it's just "Mental Drilling"
you know, like a "Mental Recession" ???
that would explain the missing oil drilling platforms and stuff
maybe the Cubans an the Chinese came up with a way to drill for oil without anybody knowing it
the sneaky bastards ...
fookin Iranians are probably helpin they do it, too
July 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I said somewhere else on this site, the echo chamber of the internet is at work here as well: Bill Phillips (yes, Phillips Petroleum)made a speech that said China was drilling off Cuba, which then got sent around, and keeps getting sent around, regardless of retractions, and then gets bloated into "China is drilling off our Florida coastline" and so on. What we should focus on, I think, is not that this story is circulating but rather on the policy issues that it obscures. The real effect of this story that the Chinese are not only beating us to the punch but "stealing" "our" resources is to get us to take for granted that more coastal drilling is the only energy policy we need. It's certainly the only one the Bush administration is interested in trumpeting. The story TPM should emphasize is not that the China-Cuba thing is getting repeated: of course it is. The story is that by repeating it and then refuting it, even retracting it, and *doing nothing else*, the adminstration's way of framing how we "should" think about oil policy is not addressed or transformed. (Seems to be MichaelA's point...)
I think that jking, wickning1, MichaelA and markg8 get to the crucial policy issues: nationalization of oil revenues (this is why al-Maliki can walk around handing out money), the nonstrategic use of strategic oil reserves, and the rights of individual nations to do what they wish with their resources.
Thanks to TPM posters for keeping us focused on what's important. Every time TPM brings up this "myth" it should also say something about how the myth deflects attention from the US's anomalous policy vis-a-vis revenues from a strategic national resource.
July 13, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
China is drinking our milkshake!
And considering the overwhelmingly lactose-intolerant nature of the Chinese population, they must not be kidding around.
July 14, 2008 3:38 AM | Reply | Permalink