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Stephanopoulos Corners McCain On Timetables
During John McCain's interview today on ABC's This Week With George Stephanopoulos, McCain got noticeably flustered when he denied having called 16 months "a pretty good timetable" for leaving. McCain denied using the word "timetable," and insisted that any departure from Iraq would have to be based only on conditions -- though he wouldn't mind if withdrawal happened in two months, four months, six months or yesterday. Check it out:

Obama Addressing Minority Journalists
Barack Obama is speaking today before the UNITY: Journalists of Color quadrennial convention in Chicago. He also sat down for a taped interview with Tom Brokaw on Meet The Press, which aired this morning.

Hagel: McCain On Thin Ground With Attacks On Obama
Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) criticized John McCain's latest ad against Barack Obama, which accuses Obama of not caring about the troops. "I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, 'You're less patriotic than me. I'm more patriotic,'" Hagel said on CBS' Face the Nation this morning.

NYT: McCain Gets Cash From Lobbyists He's Criticized
The New York Times reports that John McCain's campaign has received $181,000 from Washington lobbyists, a profession that he has strongly criticized. The Obama campaign has an official policy of not accepting donations from lobbyists, though a few checks have made it past their scrutiny.

McCaskill Not Being Vetted For VP
Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) said this morning on Fox News Sunday that the Obama campaign has not asked her to give them any personal documents as part of a vetting process for vice president.

Rabbi Condemns Publication Of Obama's Prayer
The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall has condemned the publication of Barack Obama's private prayer slip, which was reportedly stolen by a seminary student and given to a newspaper. "This sacrilegious action deserves sharp condemnation and represents a desecration of the holy site," said Rabbi Schmuel Rabinowitz.


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Partial transcrpit from the Huffington Post on Hagel's appearance on "Face the Nation" -

BOB SCHIEFFER: Let me just ask you this, Senator Hagel. You're a Republican. For a long time you were very, very close to John McCain-I want to ask you later, are you still that close-but he has been very, very hard on Senator Obama all this week. And I mean the gloves have really come off. This morning in an interview on ABC he said, I think it was seven times, that Senator Obama simply doesn't understand the stakes in Iraq. he doesn't understand the situation there. And earlier in week, we'll look at some tape here, here is how he put it at one point.


JOHN MCCAIN: Senator Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a campaign.

BOB SCHIEFFER: He said this morning that Senator Obama's strategy was based, basically, on political expediency, that he chose-and these are Senator McCain's words-"a political path that would get him the nomination."

CHUCK HAGEL: Well, let me begin by making this comment in answering your question. Both of these men are smart, capable, decent men who love their country. I think we, as a nation, are far better off for these two capable men-one will have to govern this country and bring the country together as well as lead the world and bring the world together-and that's going to take a bipartisan consensus, to govern. They're better off to focus on policy differences. I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, "You're less patriotic than me. I'm more patriotic." I admire and respect John McCain very much. I have a good relationship. To this day we do. We talk often. I talked to him right before I went to Iraq, as a matter of fact. John's better than that. And he's not asked for advice on this, but since you've asked me the question, I think both he and Barack have to be very careful here because it's just not responsible to be saying things like that.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Well let me-just in line with what you said, the McCain campaign came out with a new ad because Senator Obama chose not to visit those troops in the hospital in Germany. Let's take a look at this.

NARRATOR: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan. He hadn't been to Iraq in years. He voted against funding our troops. And now he made time to go to the gym but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras. John McCain is always there for our troops. McCain-country first.

JOHN MCCAIN: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

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CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds-not the taxpayers-to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign. I think the judgment there-and I don't know the facts by the way. I know what you've just read. No one has asked me about it other than what you've just asked about. But I think it would be totally inappropriate for him on a campaign trip to go to a military hospital and use those soldiers as props. So I think he probably, based on what I know, he did the right thing. We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops. We wanted to see those troops. And that's part of our job to see those troops, by the way, and listen to those troops, Bob. And we did.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think that ad was appropriate?

CHUCK HAGEL: I do not think it was appropriate.

BOB SCHIEFFER: You do not.

CHUCK HAGEL: I do not.

Full transcript available at HuffPo -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/27/hagel-mccain-on-thin-grou_n_115193.html

Excellent, thanks for sharing that, Jonze. And yay for Hagel. Right on point and straight to the matter.

You go, Chuck!

Karl Rove lives...but only until Election Day.

McCain's temper is going to blow up one of these days live on TV...

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He often seems medicated to me; like he's floating...maybe that's why he can't remember where Pakistan is and what the heck a Sunni is relative to a Shiite.

Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace.

haha, perfect.

Absolutely right.

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McCain is a blathering buffoon. "I didn't say timetable".

He's a terrible interviewee, too. That creepy fake laugh. The tone of voice.

The Obama campaign needs to rattle him, bad, in the debates, because the media isn't going to examine McCain in the same critical way that they examine Obama, so it's up to the Obama campaign.

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Ditto. I think the debates will be huge. After the first debate when obama trounces mcbush, it will be all over but the shouting. I wonder if mcbush will finally get Czechoslovakia right. Absurd.

Oh, and it's getting beyond troublesome to see McCain flatly deny saying things that we have video tape of him saying just days prior.

Does he not fully grasp the idea of "video," does he just think we're that stupid or is he losing his mind?

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Does he not fully grasp the idea of "video," does he just think we're that stupid or is he losing his mind?

McCAin has been basking in the media love for so long that I don't think he realizes that the media can be negative, as well. Seriously. He's sold them the "Straight Talk" crap for 8 years, and they continue to push it, so it's probably hard for him to appreciate that the media might project a negative image of him.

Second, I don't think he really grasps that this is now a YouTube election. Someone who says "I'm learning how to go on-line by myself" in 2008 is deeply out of touch with modern technology. Now, if McCain were an older American living off his pension and social security in rural America, this wouldn't be all that surprising. Given the fact that so many homes have internet access, and that so many people routinely go on line, this suggests that McCain is quite different from the average American in this regard.

Which leads me to possibility number 3: I don't think he's losing his mind, but I definitely wonder about his cognitive capacity, at this point. All these mistakes about foreign policy, his stupid denial right here in the video that he never used "timetable", etc, suggest that his memory really is starting to decline.

So: uncontrollable temper and declining cognitive capacity. Just who we want in the Oval Office.

He is losing it, and has been for quite a while now, though it hasn't been focused on or pointed out much in the past. Still isn't as often as it should be, due to the seriousness of the office and the ever changing 'facts' on the part of McCain.

What is really disturbing about this clip, at least to me, is that McCain at least used to 'appear' uncomfortable lying, now he can do so without even blinking or diverting eye contact. That is unnerving.

In all fairness to McCain, nobody thought talking pictures would be as popular as they are.

He probably has some rough grasp of video, what he doesn't understand is how the internet contributes to our collective memory and how his statements from yesterday, last week, or last year can easily be called up for review.

We probably shouldn't dismiss the possibility that McCain himself doesn't recall what he said yesterday. It is not simply a cheap shot or age discrimination, the man wants to be president and his mental faculties or lack thereof are an appropriate topic for consideration.

I see that CT Voter has raised the same points and beat me to it.

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I'm probably talking to myself, since I'm jumping in an hour later, but I've been noticing this for a while. It's not just McCain; I even think the Clinton's (and most other politicians, still) didn't understand that youtube and the internet have changed politicking. In the 'olden days' a politician could say something in a print-media interview, and after a certain time, that information was forgotten by most of the public because it wasn't readily available. Even a video interview would enter the news file vaults and be forgotten. But even on the rare occasions when old contradictions were caught and revisited, it was unlikely to have much punch because it couldn't go 'viral' in the traditional media ... and it lacked the punch and immediacy that a mash-up has.

So, we now have an environment where any little thing a politician says is likely to be caught on camera or audio - even at "private events" and then distributed immediately to the public, who in turn has direct and immediate access to the entire recored history of that politician. In the virtual blink of an eye, what that politician said yesterday can and will be held up against what they said yesterday, last month, or last year.

I sense that the Obama campaign has been very aware of this change in the dynamic, while his 'more seasoned' opponents have had no idea what was hitting them.

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what that politician said yesterday can and will be held up against what they said yesterday, last month, or last year

Yesterday shmesterday... you know what I mean.

Obama has run a tech-savvy campaign. Traditionally, politicians model their campaigns on previous election cycles, so most of them are always at least a few years behind the curve.

You would have thought the Jim Webb win would have had them catching on much sooner.

They'll have to start budgeting for it too. Remember the Lieberman "Lamont hackers crashed my $15 per month website" debacle.

DaddyD, I'm coming in 2 hours late after you but I saw what you said about Clinton not being alert to the net power. I wondered about that too while she was campaigning. I'm mid 50's just got a computer 3 years ago and I saw what was happening instantly - and I'm just a "hard working white person". So how did Clinton or at the very least someone in her campaign not see it. And while Clinton and Obama were duking it out who in McCain's camp missed it? McCain's people had months to set something up. I don't have a problem with McCain himself not being on the net but I do have a problem with him not hiring someone (or many people) who have the insight, skill and talent to use the net. What decade is he thinking in? Not my future that's for sure.

I had to laugh so hard when watching the MCCain/Stephadopeolus interview.
"It's not a date! It's not a date!"
"I like yesterday. I like yesterday.."
no kiddin.. LOL

If I repeat it enough it will become true.........

I like Chuck Hagel...I hope he will endorse Obama. He is rational.
McBushSame is in big trouble, like Senator Clinton was, and can only become negative at this point. He is starting to throw everything he can at Obama...

Obama is so smart, he is meeting with financial and economic advisers tomorrow and start an Ohio bus tour...

And i don't think he will hand up in a german restaurant:)


Obama said he is meeting with his Economic inner circle for "fine tuning" before heading out on a bus across Ohio. I wonder if "fine tuning" will become a McCain/MSM attack point...

It seems like Obama is going to be on domestic issues from here on out.

The "fine tuning" is probably figuring out just where to begin with bounty of possible responses the campaign can make to the meaty goodness left by the McCain camps incompetence this past week plus...

We're fucked

Why?

McSame's a walking timebomb, waiting to blow a gasket.
Once it happens, it won't be pretty, and it will finish him once and for all.

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We all better work to make sure that the gasket blowing occurs before Nov. 4.

But not until after September 5th...

Debate.

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Hi Amelie, ditto. I think the debates will be huge. After one, obama will be cruising. Mcbush really is a putz and it will come out in the debates.

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If I'm the Obama camp, I just run a loop of Hagel (with the R under his name highlighted), "Do you think this add was a appropriate?" "No, I Do Not." "You do not." "I do not." Followed by a fundraising plea to 'Help us shout down crappy adds like this.."

I just saw the first segment of GPS. It was very interesting, it was a discussion about how Obama did during his European tour, and why he so well liked in Europe...

Wow, Gallup poll says Obama 49%, McCain 40%!

A NINE POINT BOUNCE...so far!

I still giggle at how the McCain camp goaded Obama into taking that trip. They're swell.

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Obama was going to do it anyway. He had to. I'm sure it was already planned even before mcbush's bs.

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Yes, I saw that, too. The editor seemed impressed, as he should be!

McCain is coming increasingly unglued. Compare his appearance with Stephanopolous with Obama's appearance with Brokaw and the difference is stark. Obama: clear, direct and rational policy positions and calm demeanor. McCain: irritable, irrational denial, vague and unfocused policy and distracted demeanor.

It's just a calculated ploy on the part of McCain to nail down the irritable, irrational denial, vague and unfocused policy and distracted demeanor vote.

Hope it works out for him!

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I think that McCain is speaking to his base when he says such unhinged stuff. He knows the MSM pretty much has his gaffes covered. He knows his base -- those who get their news from TV and radio and who think the Internet is for wild-eyed liberals -- won't realize that he's lying --or won't care if he is. They refuse to open their minds and have their views of the world changed.

Unfortunately McCain makes perfect sense regarding Iraq.

I still don't want either him or Obama as president.

But McCain is addressing this like an adult not some inexperienced teenager who just want what he wants because he wants it.

Myopic Obamites cannot see that McCain is rational and Obama is just wishing on a star.

You mean Obama and his 300-strong foreign policy advisory staff are wishing on a star...

300 people's opinions are no better than one, if it is the right one.

^^^^^^^-TROLL ALERT^^^^^^^

Why do you have Obama missing in action for an avatar?

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

a "right" opinion? please

Decision by committee is a sure path to inertia. Decision by a large committee is a sure path to failure. Where's the godlike Obamic judgment? He needs 300 people? Very Kafkaesque.

You should probably familiarize yourself with Kafka before you misuse that word again.

And you should read The Trial.

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You read? I would have never guessed. Especially Kafka, that seems too high brow for you.

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McCain isn't rational. He's delusional and confused. He can't remember what he said two days ago, or the fact that a certain country hasn't existed in 15 years.

He thinks Iran is training Al Qaeda. He thinks Putin is the President of Germany.

He's demonstrating signs of early senility. He's not rational.

Boo hoo. Your mommy feels your pain.

TROLL JIZZ

Why do you have Obama missing in action for an avatar?

Dr. Freud will see you now.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

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It's hard for me to think of something more irrational that spending $12.B a week on something that has absolutely no benefit for the American people.

Get used to it. If the war is not in Iraq it will be in Afghanistan, or Pakistan or north Africa. Get used to it. Even Obama is advocating more war.

The war should have been in Afghanistan in the first place, sport. Geez, you are amazingly ignorant even for a troll. More proof you are just desperate for attention.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

Hey, the good folks at Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, etc. are American people too! Now that you've gone and hurt their feelings it'll probably cost us $20 billion.

"But McCain is addressing this like an adult not some inexperienced teenager who just want what he wants because he wants it."

..messing up when exactly the anbar awakening was, and not understand rather pedestrian geography? That isn't adulthood.

You're cute when you're irrelevant.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

"You're cute when you're irrelevant."

..this coming from someone who routinely exposes himself to be a mental midget who is a product of inbreeding. Whatever gets you through the night I guess..

Given the lack of facts supporting your conclusions, it's clear why you support Senator McSurge. To expect otherwise would simply folly.

Stop digging, you've hit bottom.

Once more, a fake 'former Clinton supporter' can't help but reveal his true colors by attacking a policy that Clinton passionately shares. If you can't be bothered to actually stay in character, that's some seriously lazy trolling...

I think McCain's issues are being magnified because he isn't running his campaign and he's being fed talking points and then doesn't remember saying them.

I could see McCain kicking the Rovians to the curb sooner or later and running "his campaign" in one last attempt to win the White House. He'll blame all of this gutter mudslinging on the Rove Disciple he has running his campaign and will try to take the high road in an attempt to sway voters and regain his Maverick title.

McCain will play the victim, saying how he was taken advantage of, that he passionately believed he was the better man to be President and panicked when he was trailing in the polls and that's when Rove and his Disciples started whispering in his ear.

If he loses he'll want to go out doing it his way.

You're right. Obama has taken the initiative for most time of the campaign, with the sole exceptions of FISA (indirectly still his initiative) and the oil drilling issue. Thanks to that the republicans have an uphill battle to recover, resulting to use the Rove playbook as a last resort.

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Unfortunately McCain makes perfect sense regarding Iraq.

See my post above.

I rest my case.

Then the judgment is against you. McCain does not sound unhinged to a rational jury. Judgment for McCain.

You're the very opposite of a rational jury.

The patient needs therapy until the disease is cured, not until the clock strikes midnight and Obama's limo turns into a pumpkin.

Obama's plan is a fairy tale meant to make coddled cowards feel good. Great advertising, with the results being buyer's remorse and no warranty. But there would be a guaranteed return.

The patient needs therapy until the disease is cured, not until the clock strikes midnight and Obama's limo turns into a pumpkin.

Obama's plan is a fairy tale meant to make coddled cowards feel good. Great advertising, with the results being buyer's remorse and no warranty. But there would be a guaranteed return.

HEY EVERYBODY!
LOOK AT ME!
LOOK AT ME!

More troll jizz.

Why do you have Obama missing in action for an avatar?

Freudian.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

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{big ass grin!!!!!}

I remain stunned that greg/eric won't boot the this troll. Part of me wonders if it isn't an alter ego of greg trying to incite comments with drivel...

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Eh - there's still a 1st amendment and you can always ignore him.

If you really do ignore trolls, they really do leave.

And once more, the phony, lying fake "former Clinton supporter" can't help but spout Bush's talking points. You can't even pretend you have credibility when your entire presence on this web site is predicated on a lie.

hagel will endorse obama before dem convention or after the repubs along with powell.

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Unfortunately McCain makes perfect sense regarding Iraq.

Which time?

Given the fact that he's held every possible position regarding Iraq at one point or another over the past 5 years, he has occasionally made "perfect sense regarding Iraq."

Unfortunately, on those occasions, he has within months, sometimes days, reversed his position to one that makes no sense regarding Iraq...and lately, those are the ones he's been doubling-down on.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Go cry to your daddy.

Speaking of crying, looks like you're going to be doing a lot of it in a few months:

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

Wah wah.

Personally I didn't expect much of a positive poll response to the World Tour. I was, and still am, more of the mind that this was an exercise in preparing the battlefield for a campaign that will go after McBush economic and energy policies.

So I was a bit surprised at the Gallup daily tracking results today. Next week, back to basics...the economy stupid

Absolutely the economy. And it is only going to get worse. Retailers are just starting to raise their prices due to gasoline / transportation costs. Once these increases hit the stores, the ugly 'inflation' word is going to be more than mental to everyone.

McCain will not win on this front.

Poor Fogu2, I feel so sad for you...

You guys need to watch GPS, there was another great panel about the Surge...Of the journalist said, she spoke with some Irakis, and they confirmed that the surge has little to do with the surge...

Irakis were so overwhelmed with the violence, they decided to fight themselves against the terrorists themselves in their neighborhood. Now wedding parties are happening again...

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR MCBUSHSAME!!!

That's very cute. Smooch!

Troll Jizz

Wow, totally Freudian. Go wash up please.

"Wow, totally Freudian. Go wash up please."

I suggest that you wash up, having the proverbial ooze that is misguided Obama hatred treat your visage as some sort of post-coital landing strip.. Figuratively, your face looks like a glazed donut.

You bore me.

Why does your avatar have a white face he's supposed to be a black man? Shades of the bizarro Ted Danson!

"Why does your avatar have a white face he's supposed to be a black man? Shades of the bizarro Ted Danson!"

Talk about boring responses, it just shows that you get your lackluster quips from the same place you get your glass licking political opinions - from the dark recesses of your ass.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Obama. Eight years of it. Enjoy.

You might want to wash up now. It's all over you.

November 5th: President Obama blows a load on your face.

I hope you've got your McCain '08 wash rag ready, loser.

Nice roundhouse Ape.
Well done!

Judging by fogu2's posts, it's apparent that he's coming increasingly unglued as well (if that's possible). "Go cry to your daddy"? LMFAO

My fan base! You're so cute when you try to be clever. Smooch!

Someone's paid attention to you today. You can go back to your dark corner now and brood. LOL

Obama +9 in Gallup

President Barack Hussein Obama, Commander-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016.

Mccain's campaign is so inept the man cannot stay on message for just two interviews...in CNN, Fox, ABC and CNN in last few days he changed his position or lied at least once each time...I pray he picks Romney seriously the abundance of ineptitude between those two might revive Carlin and Pryor just to get a piece of the action.

mcworse's flip-flop-itis is a feature, not a bug. consider the following:

1) mcworse is willing to say anything, depending on who he thinks is listening, to get elected

2) mcworse is trying to throw the chimperor under the bus while seducing his minions

3) mcworse is trying to sell a vision of the future that's been thoroughly discredited. he's selling seats on the hindenburg

4) karl rove

his strategy and his messaging is inherently self-contradictory. the daily flip-flops are both necessary and inevitable. no wonder mcworse has become mccrankypants. it's tough being a liar, especially when you're trying not to sound like one.

'Straight Talk' is just an excuse for a lack of tact. The media has just chosen to give him a bye on the behavior, and the McCain campaigns have chosen to use it as a trademark.

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Durbin has the right spin on the surge - the surge was a tactic, the war continues without end at $12-15B a week.

A problem with picking Romney for a running buddy is the Republicans' propensity for using the position as a feeder for running for the presidency in the future. Putting him on the ticket now, will give him a leg up on being the nominee in the next election, even if they lose this time around. On the other hand, Democrats tend to cross members of losing tickets off their lists for future races.

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McCain's appearance on "This Week" was a fumbled mess.

From lying that he never used the word "timetable" to saying that it would have taken a seismic event to not visit troops in Germany when he didn't visit troops in April 2008 because the Pentagon said no (thus lying again) to his bumbling on the gay adoption issue.

Hey nice bump on the gallup tracking poll. Both Rasmussen and Gallup have Obama at 49%.

After he loses the election, I can imagine McCain retiring to a compound in the jungle of Cambodia, ala Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. One difference, the only two sycophants in attendance will be Graham and Lieberman.

Wow, George may not get invited to the barbecue this afternoon. Thats what happens when you piss the old guy off.

I was disppointed in Hagel this morning, especially when he said "I think both he and Barack have to be very careful here because it's just not responsible to be saying things like that." As if BOTH sides are engaging in dirty swiftboating. Did I miss Obama's swiftboating ads against McCain somewhere?

He could have been much more forceful in his condemnatation of McCains despicable ads. He still a Republican and it would be a mistake for Obama to offer him a high ranking position in his cabinet (or VP, god forbid!)

I noticed that too. I hope straddling that issue gives Hagel a bad rash.

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The "both he and Barack" have to be careful infuriated me, to tell you the truth. It definitely left the impression that both campaigns have been engaging in this dreadful b.s.

And Reed wasn't all that great, either. Could we stop being so mealy mouthed, please?

It was just Hagel trying to remain bi-partisan.

Not to worry. Other than his similar position on Iraq, Hagel differs with Democrats on practically every other core issue. He is very conservative on all domestic policies. No way he would be a VP candidate.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_niQ4VOMRc

I edited this together earlier with the CNN clip from the other day.

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Very very nice.

"I didn't say timetable". What a hoot!

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Are we going to believe a NYPost story?

Sounds like the National Enquirer, doesn't it?

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I dunno. Was that supposed to redound to Obama's discredit or something? I read it, and it sure didn't come down that way to me. Rather the opposite in fact. Though not relevant to the current thread in any case. Not sure what the point was....

Unfortunately McCain makes perfect sense regarding Iraq.

And which part would that be...oh yeah The Surge...
Well as a soldier I would have love The Surge to have worked at the right war, and 4000+ troops and families sooner. So now is the time to forget the orginal vote and admit The Surged Worked.
Well I'm here to tell you THE SURGE DID NOT WORK, BECAUSE IT WAS THE WRONG WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE SURGE WAS A FIXER-UPPER, FOR A LIE
AND NOW WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER...AND YOU CALL THAT ...PERFECT SENSE...WELL I CALL IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE WRONG JUDGEMENT.

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Thank you.

You like to be screamed at.

You like to be lied to.

"You like to be screamed at."

..you like to have your ass continuously handed to you in a website's comment section.

Watching the "Long Way Baby" video on the main TPM page actually makes me think it's possible that the Rs might have to dump McCain at or before their convention. The guy is not ready for the major leagues. I hope he gets his wish and actually gets more media attention -- McCain is perhaps the only person more eloquent than Obama on why we need to elect Obama.

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Word up!~

McLame is so damned inept that he scares me. His campaign sucks so badly that it's like he's trying to throw this election.

How many times has McLame fired his campaign staff and started over? Three?

Now Tucker Bounds is saying that Obama hasn't visited Columbia, Mexico City or Canada yet, like Sen. McCain has. Wasn't their attack a mere two days ago centered around Obama going overseas and for so long in the first place?

He's just a political hack.
Hell, even a douche like Sean Hannity is "more intellectually honest" than this clown.

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Obama will be pivoting to the economy tomorrow for the rest of the election. If McCain wants to talk about the surge every day, that's is perogative but Obama will be talking about what people REALLY care about.

Now that McCain has declared that even yesterday would be fine by him for leaving Iraq I'd like someone to ask him under what circumstances he expects us to be able to withdraw our troops. If his whole argument now is that time does not matter and "conditions on the ground" are paramount, what are those conditions, how far away are we from reaching them, and how long does he expect it to take to get there.

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"Conditions on the ground" is Bushspeak and people should be steadily reminded of that.

Bush has fallen back on "conditions on the ground" for 5 fucking years now.

Obama is going to own the economy issue: The link below explains how inflation is just now starting to trickle down to the average consumer. Inflation for June highest since 1991, wow, wasn't that around the time Bill Clinton, a democrat, took the White House?

Link Below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/27/retailers-the-next-target_n_115217.html

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Amelie, that just rocks my world.

That is always the first thing on voters' minds, even in good times.

I love it that he gets that so well, and can talk about this shit in ways that make sense to everyone.

Me too :)

Obama assimilates information as fast as anyone I have ever seen. His grasp of the issues should impress anyone willing to listen. It pisses me off that people (probably with an ulterior motive) frequently criticize him as being all style and no substance.

In case you haven't checked out that Jerusalem Post interview yet I will repost the link.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331099249&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Ditto, again, obama is bar none the smartest person that I have ever witnessed. The guy is brilliant and that's what we need as a president, not someone at the bottom of his class. Mcbush wasn't at the bottom of his class, was he? He probably would have been kicked out of annapolis, but for his father. And we want another idiot as president? Been there, done that. Time for a change.

One more note: I am glad, even grateful, that McCain has harped on experience, goading Obama into going to Iraq and Afghanistan, and basically discussing nothing but the surge. He has done all of us a huge favor. Obama went overseas with great fanfare and success, he appeared very presidential on the international stage, and he put the issue to rest regarding the war, with other leaders backing him up and being thrilled to host a meeting with him.

Now, with this behind him, Obama can turn to his hardball issue, which is the economy. John McCain, to my recollection, can only whine about raising taxes and giving a 5k tax break for health insurance, bearing in mind you have to make money to get a tax break! McCain has had, according to him, the best economists backing his gas tax relief, only to be ridiculed and mocked.

Now, let the games begin and on to victory in November.

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O god yes!

Obama morphed into The Prez right before the world's eyes last week. And I know McLame knows it.

* In 2005, McCain decided Iraqis resent our military presence, so we should reject a Korea-like model for long-term troop deployment. He insisted that “U.S. ‘visibility’ was detrimental to the Iraq mission and that Iraqis were responding negatively to America’s presence — positions held by both Obama and Clinton.”

* In 2006, McCain reversed course, and embraced the Korea model for a long-term military presence.

* In 2007, McCain reversed course again, saying the Korean analogy doesn’t work and shouldn’t be followed. “[E]ventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws,” McCain told Charlie Rose last fall.

* And in 2008, McCain reversed course yet again, deciding that we should be prepared to leave troops in Iraq, even if it means 100 years or more.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15370.html

And now its apparently "whenever", 16 months, a year, tomorrow.

Joseph: Yesterday, you forgot yesterday :)

Truly an amazing interview. I don't see how any rational voter can view McCain as other than a joke candidate at this point.

Word up!~

McLame is so damned inept that he scares me. His campaign sucks so badly that it's like he's trying to throw this election.

Posted by HusseinTenaX
July 27, 2008

Wouldn't this be typical of the GOP though? Haven't we been through this before... The Supply-Siders do their Level Best to Bankrupt the Government, tried to dump Social Security, intentionally mismanaged virtually every agency and dept. of the Federal Government, and deregulated us right into a banking crisis (with all the side effects).

Once again they will leave it to the DEMOCRATIC Party to clean up their mess - in '92 it was the economy stupid - in '08 it's the economy again for the morons, this time with an added dash of neocon hubris and manifest incompetence if not malfeasance in office.

And the GOP will WHINE all the way about how some taxes might have to be raised, while they run as far a possible away from their own Culpability in creating the mess. Even if John McCain wanted to clean this up, his own party would be of no help... they'll just blame someone else as always.

But since we've seen this game before - I think it might not work as it has in the past... not this time.

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Oh yes we have - over and over and over - and for the love of heaven, you'd think the voters would learn.

Actually, I think they have. Starting about last summer, I started getting people telling me in parking lots and at lights that they agreed with my anti-Bush bumper stickers.

Before that I had been chased in Dallas and yelled at for them.

"I like yesterday. I like yesterday."

That just about sums up the McCain campaign so far...

a new poll just came out and obama got big bounce off tour..... http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

Yeah, and who thought Iraq was loaded with WMDs and that we'd be greeted as liberators?? I'm soo sick of the media eating up McCain's talking points on the Surge and "Obama's judgment", while totally ignoring the REAL test of judgment, which was whether we should invade to begin with. No McCain, if Obama had had his way, we wouldn't be discussing the Surge, or any of this crap, because WE WOULD HAVE NEVER INVADED!!

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In that same This Week interview, McCain completely reversed himself on affirmative action: McCain V McCain on Affirmative Action. If he gets asked about this again, he'll inevitably say, "But I've always been against quotas!" However, McCain has supported the military implementation of affirmative action which incorporates race as a hiring/acceptance preference in several different ways, and which would be illegal if implemented in an Arizona institution should this ballot initiative pass.

For years, McCain's used the tired excuse that he's "for affirmative action and against quotas" ... it's actually the same cop-out that Obama regularly uses to avoid answering the question. The problem here is that reporters always ask, "Do you support affirmative action?" Rather, they should ask, "Do you think it's appropriate for public entities such as civil service and military academies to take race or gender into account in admissions or hiring? What about private entities?" Framing the question this way would eliminate the quota cop-out. Unfortunately, McCain decided this morning to take a more direct approach and announce his support of an amendment that stands in opposition to affirmative action as it's practiced in the military or anywhere.

I guess it'll get him some votes in Michigan, but good luck selling that in Nevada and Colorado.

This just in: Axelrod will have Ace McCain as a surrogate for Obama. All the O campaign will do is air his previous position, prior to the present position of the McCain campaign; in answer to any McCain attack and/or McCain current position.
How sneaky is that?

the NBC poll showed that while Americans overwhelmingly see the Democrat as more likeable, "offering hope and optimism," and better able to improve "America's standing in the world," McCain leads Obama on having the "strong leadership qualities needed to be president," having more consistency and being stronger on honesty.

By a 2-1 ratio, Americans also see McCain as having the qualities of a commander in chief, and by a nearly 3-1 ratio, they view him as "being knowledgeable and experienced enough to handle the presidency."

And asked who they view as the riskier choice for president, Americans by a 55-35 ratio said Obama.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/27/MN4111VKKQ.DTL&tsp=1

Some of this is a result of Obama not answering the charges made against him regarding flip-flipping and certainly because Obama never went on the offensive regarding McCain's 70+ flip flops or the fact that he hasn't tried to impugn McCain's credibility on National Security understanding and issues.

However McCain is a brand name when it comes to National Security from all of his years beating that drum. No amount of ME/Euro trips by Sen. Obama is going to change that opinion. While I think Obama's trip was necessary and beneficial, I still believe he needs national security gravitas with his running mate selection. I just think it will be too easy for folks to vote security over economic/social issues once inside the voting booth.

For this reason I think the talk of Kathleen Sebelius or Tim Kaine is folly. I understand Obama might need executive experience on his ticket, especially if McCain chooses Pawlenty, Portman or Romney however given the current economic climate I think people would be willing to give the Democrat the chance providing Obama had a security stalwart on the back end of his ticket.

Voters feel better about Obama, but they still have lingering doubts about security, if Obama addresses those security doubts with his VP pick I think it will go a long way in helping him win come November. If he doesn't and goes with a Governor, I think we could see an upset come the election.

I just think Sen. Biden makes the most sense as running mate for Obama. Sure he has a long track record that could and would be picked over by the GOP but he has national security/foreign affairs gravitas that few can match. Of course he has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, which could be a problem. But I think the benefits outweight the drawbacks with Sen. Biden. Only other possibilities would be Wesley Clark, Jim Webb, Jack Reed, Sam Nunn or Chuck Hagel.


Gallup: Obama + 9%

http://www.pollster.com/

So go away, Fogu2. you are a loser!!!

I'm not in the race. Apparently Obama is the loser at the moment.

Currently from Rasmussen:

McCain’s numbers are up a point from yesterday while Obama’s remain unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

So much for a bounce.

As Ape said earlier, prepare for the load Obama's going to splatter on your face come November 5.
Bring plenty of clean wash rags!

In your republicans dreams, but the reality says otherwise...It is time for your to pack your bags, and join the McBushSame campaign where you belong...

Gallup: Obama: + 9%

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Barack Obama remains ahead of rival John McCain in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll with a six-point advantage, 47%-41%. Obama’s lead is exactly the same as it was a month ago in the June WSJ/NBC poll.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/23/wsjnbc-poll-obama-maintains-lead-over-mccain/

In Brokaw's Meet the Press interview, I loved how Obama answered the question about the "riskier choice for president" WSJ/NBC poll result by reminding his interviewer that most poll respondents still chose him for President. :)

And as for Face the Nation, good on Hagel for calling McCain's latest ad "inappropriate." Like his specific politics or not, what a class act Hagel is.

The important point of course is that Obama has received no bounce, no credibility from his Euro photo-op. He should be burying McCain by now given the huge Bush negatives. But he isn't. Becasue people understand that he is not Bush and that Obama has no experience to lead the nation.

"The important point of course is that Obama has received no bounce, no credibility from his Euro photo-op."

You haven't been looking at the polls, have you? :)

Oh, Stephen Colbert:
“[W]hen you question his record he says this: ‘I want to make it very clear this is not about excisions that were made — decisions that were made in the past.’ Now, decisions that were made in the past is how people without experience define experience. So how can McCain claim to be more qualified of a candidate because of his experience yet also claim that any history of bad decisions is irrelevant? Easy. Experience. You see, he is experienced enough to know that some experience is relevant, like the fact that he has experience. While other experience, like his previous experiences, are irrelevant.”

You sound like Osama trying to answer questions w/o his teleprompter!

Piss off, fucktarded troll.

Huh? Are you smoking something?

Lori-whatever

Imbeciles like you will never get Colbert/Stewart, even when not smoking something.

Go away and take fogu with you. This place is for people with brains, not for brown-noses like you.

Double digits, baby! No bounce? Try 12 points...

"A new Research 2000 national poll finds Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. John McCain, 51% to 39%, with Bob Barr getting 3% and Ralph Nader getting 2%."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/07/27/r2000_obama_holds_double_digit_national_lead.html

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Ah, he's probably up 5 to 6 points nationwide and leading in the states that he is putting in play by 3 to 5 points. Unless he makes a major gaffe, he will win an electoral landslide in november and win the popular vote by 5 to 6 points. There is no way he is up by 12, that's unrealistic. I wish it was november 5 right now and we would win. The waiting is killing me.

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God, I just listened to the clip. Mcbush is such a liar. I actually thought that he had some integrity. He obviously doesn't. What a f*cking liar. Pathetic. At no time did obama, or any dem, say that the surge would increase sectarian violence. That's f'n absurd and stupid. Of course the surge or escalation or whatever you want to call it wouldn't increase sectarian violence. Un f'n believable. What a liar.

And as for Face the Nation, good on Hagel for calling McCain's latest ad "inappropriate." Like his specific politics or not, what a class act Hagel is.

If, and that is a huge "IF" McCain lasts that long the first debate will finish him off. He can't keep his facts straight and he definitely can't think on his feet.

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Woo hoo! Feel the bounce!! :)

Barack Obama widens lead over John McCain in polls following world tour http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/27/2008-07-27_barack_obama_widens_lead_over_john_mccai.html

Barack Obama's world tour scored big points back home.

The presumptive Democratic nominee jumped to a significant 9-point lead over GOP rival John McCain - his largest lead since the Gallup Poll began tracking the general election horse race in March.

Obama tops McCain, 49% to 40%, among registered voters nationwide, Gallup's daily tracking poll conducted from Thursday to Saturday revealed.

Once again, would someone remind people not to care about poll results in the summer or feed trolls in any season. Don't feed trolls, hunt weasels.

Anyone wish to offer which network discommentator
you would most like to see present when this walking political bomb goes off? Stepenfetchalot
gets my vote.

FX already is end.

Do you have a ETCカード?

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