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Colin Powell Advising Obama
This was reported a few days ago, but it got surprisingly little attention, and it seems worth flagging in light of Obama's trip abroad. Check out this little nugget buried in that New York Times piece on Barack Obama's cast of 300 or so foreign policy advisers:
Another person who has contributed outside advice is former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, whom Mr. Obama has been wooing. Mr. Powell, a Republican, has a friendship of decades with Mr. McCain, but friends say he has felt excluded from Mr. McCain's foreign policy operation and was impressed when Mr. Obama called on him in June. Mr. Powell also met around the same time with Mr. McCain.
Powell recently met with Obama and has made it clear that he won't let any endorsement be dictated by party allegiance, so neglecting him seems like a pretty big oversight on the McCain camp's part. Could Obama's wooing of him eventually pay off?
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First make sure the Kool-Aid has worn off. Other than that, there are LOTS worse people Sen. Obama can be taking advice from, IMO. I'd even go so far as to say he'd make a fine Defense secretary - probably better than he was as Secretary of State.
July 21, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, if he ever stands up. The guy bent over forward for Bush and took one for the team. Except the team was the bad guys. He's damaged goods.
July 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find the fact that neither Powell nor Condi Rice will say publicly that they are supporting McCain. Which leads me to believe that neither is.
July 21, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Colin Powell will be endorsing any neo-cons after they way they screwed him in the first Bush Administration. Same with Condi Rice.
July 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
"the way" not "they way". Seriously, I'd chip in for an edit function.
July 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
"edit function". Yeah.
What I meant to write is "I find the fact....blah...blah...is very interesting".
I can barely speak one language, much less two.
July 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
why would ANYONE trust or even want Colin Powell's foreign policy advice?
Isn't this the guy who held up a test tube filled with... well filled with SOMETHING anyway and told the UN that it was biological warfare from Saddam Hussein? And then went on to make up all sorts of crap he knew wasn't true about "mobile weapons labs" and "robot dogs with bees in their mouths and when they open their mouths the bees turn into robot bees that sting really hard"?
I'd be about as eager for Powell's foreign policy advice as I would be for cooking tips from Jeffrey Dahmer.
July 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are 100% correct.
July 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9228T802&show_article=1
I'm sure Fournier is going nuts over the Baghdad Bureau's unfiltered reporting....
July 21, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cooking tips from Jeffrey Dahmer, now that's funny!
July 21, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose you could say he had good people skills.
July 21, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
powell will endorse obama after the rnc........ no bounce for you
July 21, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd be about as eager for Powell's foreign policy advice as I would be for cooking tips from Jeffrey Dahmer.
jajajaja ... or elocution lessons from George W. Bush
... or anger management training from John McCain
preview mode I'll chip in too, whether my John McCain link worked or not.
July 21, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
His endorsement would be a dream come true, but it's unlikely. It's one thing for Powell to withhold an endorsement of McCain, but I'm guessing a full-throated endorsement of Obama would be a step too far between friends.
Still, we can hope.
(and yes, Powell is still the guy who unforgivably held up the vial at the U.N. But his endorsement would still be a huge plus for our side.)
July 21, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
A huge plus for our morale, maybe, but not at the polls. Anyone who is still undecided in this presidential race at this late date is still working through their misgivings about electing a socialist Muslim president, and is likely to view a Powell endorsement as just Black folk sticking together.
July 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, this. Except that I think it might help a little. Actually, what might help even more is the backlash to the backlash of the event. I.e., here's one way it might play: Powell endorses Obama. A whole lot of white-supremacy groups (overt and mildly covert) make a bunch of noise about how it's just "Black folk sticking together". Minorities of all stripes (as well as many, many whites who either don't feel that way or don't want to think they do) then want to distance themselves from those white-supremacy groups.
Of course, I'm probably over-analyzing that and/or under-analyzing it.
July 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes, Powell is still the guy who unforgivably held up the vial at the U.N. But his endorsement would still be a huge plus for our side
Ordinarily, I'd argue that with you but as atrios points out with depressing regularity, the only people considered "serious" when it comes to foreign policy and Iraq are those who were most wrong.
So yes, sadly an endorsement by Colin "And the Iraqis also rape kittens and cute widdle bunnies" Powell will almost certainly be seen as a good thing by the commentariat.
Seriously, I need a job when i can screw shit up immeasurably badly and still get promoted.
July 21, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that a triple negative? If so, I guess I get your point.
July 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the outset, Bush has rewarded loyalty, not competence. Condi is probably the most egregious example. An abysmal failure as NSA, promoted to Secretary of State... a job at which she has been mediocre, bearing in mind she has to play the hand Bush dealt her. Yet, I think she still has the highest approval rating of anybody in the Bush cabal, although one has to look at the people she is competing against.
July 21, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Wall St. Journal a few years back ran an article on the attributes CEOs most admire. Loyalty trumped competence, judgment, intelligence all all the other stuff we peons think is important to success. That's why the markets have tanked and why we should never elect an MBA or CEO to high rank. They lack ethics, morality and competence. It's all guile or violence with them.
July 21, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is consistent with my experience in the workplace, that the people who rise fastest are those who excel at shameless self promotion and little (or nothing) else. Kiss up, kick down, as they say.
July 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I too greatly admire Colin Powell, just as I use to admire Hillary Clinton. But both have burned my trust, by demonstrating that their personal ambition is greater than their love of the people and principles that make up this nation. Yea, I know the arguments that he was a soldier and is trained to follow his commander. But soldiers are not trained to follow illegal orders and I truley believe that at the point when he insisted George Tenent sit behind him during his UN presentation, he knew this was all BS and he should have stood up and said so at the time. It's still smart of Obama to take his counsel, and I love that it sticks a finger in the eye of McShame, but understand Colin Powell is a politician! He's no more of a straight shooter, than McShame is!
July 21, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I too greatly admire Colin Powell . . . ."
1. Powell was the first to "investigate" -- and cover up -- the My Lai massacre.
2. Powell knew Iraq would be a disaster, but he nonetheless lied to the UN and the world in order to grease the skids for it, even while he knew he was throwing away the lives of "his" troops on a lost cause.
3. He participated in the plannings of the war crime of torture.
What's to admire? His lack of character, moral depravity, and fake hero status?
July 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is one endorsement that McCain will rue the day he neglected I think.
Regardless of how the circus clown in the WH and his bottom buddy Cheney feel about Powell, he is the one person that is associated with this administration that the American people trust. Obama is once again spot on in the steps he has taken to bring the votes home come November.
Not only is Obama smart enough to recognize this fact but I think he will utilize him when he becomes President.
Actually McCain Bush has once again shown how out of touch he is with the American people by his actions regarding Powell...and yet they still wonder why Obama is beating the GOP bad boy.....makes ya wonder what the polls would say cell phones were being called! LOL
July 21, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on Douglas ya racist LOL Muslim? Still? your still carping on that old lie? You GOP water boys dissapoint me! I mean what's up? Muslim? Really? Still? even when no one is listening anymore to that tired old lie? No wonder your candidate is losing!
It's a new day and age Douglas! Get with the program and try to use something that is truthful! What? I can't hear you??? Ya can't find anything? Gosh imagine my surprise!
July 21, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't think Douglas was being that subtle, but perhaps his sarcasm escaped you? I'm not even sure if it counts as sarcasm, actually. He was merely creating a caricature of the undecideds—he was not expressing his own opinion.
July 21, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Colin Powell winds up in Obama's cabinet I want my money back. I'm midway through "Damning the Flood" - a book about the 2004 coup in Haiti - and Powell's fingerprints are all over that shameful episode. He also lied at the UN. What's to admire about the man?
July 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't he part of the high ranking torture "think tank" that went over what was and wasn't torture and what should be used on whom? I don't want his endorsement. Also I believe he tried to cover up My Lai when he was an Army Major.
July 21, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's obvious to A LOT of people that both Colin Powell and Condi Rice support Obama.
They are Obamacans.
July 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a once-respected general who may never be able to redeem himself fully, this "not-endorsing McCain-and-advising-Obama-from-the-outside" role may represent Powell at his most useful.
July 21, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Powell has shown himself to be competent, so his advice should be worth its weight in sh*t . . .
July 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Colin Powell is a war criminal.
I think that undermines any "credibility" he once may have had.
July 21, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks but NO thanks!!!!!!!
July 21, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain just said on Diane Sawyer that Iraq and Pakistan share a border. None of the MSM seems to have noticed that they moved Pakistan next to Iraq just so McCain will not seem stupid saying this.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
July 21, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a huge deal for some Republicans (the more rational ones like my parents). I forwarded that tidbit to my mom a few days ago in fact and her response was something along the lines of "THIS IS A DEALBREAKER." Republicans LOVE Colin Powell.. Obama should really play this up.
July 21, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't Powell also plan the Panama Invasion? Boy, that was a feather in our cap. We really had no choice after Noriega taunted Bush Sr. and waved a sword at him. Granted he was over a thousand miles away but for a dictator he had an amazing throwing arm.
July 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't need Powell as an adviser for his ideas, rather his imprimatur carries a lot of weight with the average voter. By all means, welcome aboard!
With McCain's constant gaffes, the fundamental shift in Bush policy towards Obama's postitions and Iraqi leaders endorsing Obama's position, Obama is slowly but surely grinding away at McCain's perceived advantage in commander-in-chief type issues. A Powell endorsement could very well be the coup de grace that sends McCain to the canvas.
I wouldn't have believed it could be possible a couple weeks ago, but Obama's been playing on McCain's turf and winning.
July 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should we care about Powell or his views? Yeah, it would be nice if he did the standup thing now, but isn't it about five years too late? I suppose endorsing Obama would go a long way toward redemption for Powell, but his judgment should forever be in question after his February 5, 2003 UN speech. The neocons rolled him, plain and simple, and he just didn't fight. This was a huge loss for the nation.
July 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can tell you Colin Powell is loved down here in Mississippi. His endorsement would carry a lot of weight in the deep south.
July 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama/Powell '08 = Landslide. It would provide Obama with a strong mandate to end the war in Iraq, commit the country to alternative sources of energy, and reform health care. I'm not sure any other candidate could provide him with that kind of political momentum to bring out real change and to fundamentally undermine the right-wing in this country.
July 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had predicted a Powell endorsement for Obama in in February 2008 in my blog:
http://blameislam.blogspot.com/
Copied below:
Saturday, February 9, 2008
A Colin Powell Endorsement for Obama!
Is it possible that the former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican could endorse Barack Obama for President?
Colin Powell was very candid in his interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN. He made it very clear that he will vote for the best candidate and not necessarily a nominee of his party. He also talked about Obama rather fondly.
Colin Powell may be reminiscing about the time when he was asked to run for President and he declined. I guess he feels Obama is competent, charming and fresh and could the take the country to a new direction so why not support him. Though not a done deal yet, but it seems very likely.
Colin Powell also has to wash off his own embarrassment of that Iraq war speech that he made in the UN and this may be the perfect opportunity to do the right thing. Despite that UN debacle, Colin Powell is still one of the most respected individulas in the United States and around the world. His endorsement will mean a lot for Obama. Imagine the experience he could bring to Obama's team as Secretary of Defence, charged to put an end to the war that he started.
July 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Powell is anything BUT competent.
He's a loyal soldier - not a leader.
Not only did he protect and enable the Bush administration - remember, that it was he who led the investigation in to the My Lai massacre just before it was publicized ... and he of course found that nothing untoward had happened.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html
So Powell's performance at the U.N. - was absolutely in character.
He's not who I'd want to see in any position of authority.
July 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have always had a lot of admiration for Colin Powell, and feel as bad for him as i do for the rest of us that the "loyal soldier" deal led him down a blind alley (and us too.)
I always thought he would make a great Secretary of State in an Obama administration, but a friend recently pointed out that while many Americans could overlook his UN shenanigans in the run-up to the war, that folks in other countries would not be so forgiving. ouch. So maybe Wes Clark at State and Colin Powell as Secretary of Defense.
A person can dream...
July 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
tell the truth -- when i said "UN shenanigans" did everyone instantly see him holding up a vial of white powder? hard to shake that one, eh?
July 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What could Powell be advising Obama on? Having no guts, no convictions he'll stand up for, taking orders without question?
July 22, 2008 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, perhaps Obama is seeking Powell advice about military/defense issues. After all, Powell was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and gave command of coalition forces in Desert Storm to Gen. Schwartzkopf (sp?).
July 22, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find both Powell and Rice to be offensive to my sensibilities. As I do, they both claim to have some Jamaican connection, only mine is fully Jamaican. To have these two mixed-up clowns potentially related to me is troubling to say the least. As for Colin (in Jamaica we pronounce it Col-lin, not Chol-lan), after making such a spectacle of himself Feb 5, 2003, at the UN, I'm surprised that he has the nerve to be seeking the limelight once again. He is an Uncle Tom type of guy, which is not a Jamaican trait, and instead of publicly humiliating himself for the Bush Crime Syndicate he would have secured his place in history had he resigned and held his tongue. As for Ms. Rice, what more is there to be said? Is there a female equivalent to an Uncle Tom? And speaking about Tom, the clown masquerading as a Supreme Court justice, Clarence Thomas, between him, Powell, and Rice, they surely make things worse for us blacks.
July 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You and CNN's Ticker site, and Robert Novak and Wolf Blitzer are all in the same category on this one: DEAD WRONG...
Similar misleading stories wanting an Obama-Powell alliance, endorsement, or even running mate speculations leave out some all-too important FACTS:
Gen. Powell states he made himself available to "any candidate that asked" for his counsel on foreign policy matters, but further stated only his "longtime friend," John McCain, took policy they shaped together and brought it to legislation.
Gen. Powell has a "standing policy" not to endorse candidates and makes it clear that while he "is certainly a Republican to this day," he "always leaves his options open."
Most telling, however, was the Aug.2007 story no one pushing the weak Obama/Powell connection wants to share... Though the former Sec. of State could have easily made his own contribution privately, he instead had his press office make it known that he made the maximum allowable campaign contribution to Sen. John McCain while all the pundits were doing their wishful thinking countdown to McCain's bid for his party's nomination.
Insiders at that time saw it as the closest thing to an endorsement the General could give and still be true to his own rule.
The FEC shows no other contribution made on his part to date to any candidate save for the one to John McCain.
His son has officially endorsed John McCain.
His friend Gen. Schwarzcopf has done the same.
4 other former Secretaries of State as well...
The Chicago sleaze and Axelrod's political Machine could pull it off, though...there isn't any thing you could put past them at this point.
July 25, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
If nothing else this thread demonstrates that Powell's endorsement may bring Obama a few Republican/Undecided votes but lose him some support among the people who stand against Powell on principle.
Since the supporters who not only vote but knock on doors, write letters, convince their friends to vote and drive people to the polls probably fall into the second group, we probably shouldn't ask too hard for Powell's endorsement.
July 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink