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At Jordan Presser, Obama Keeps Co-Opting GOP Language On Terror

Obama's presser in Jordan has now wrapped up, and one thing that was striking is how aggressively -- again -- he moved to appropriate Republican rhetoric about the war on terrorism.

Obama said he'd decided to go to Afghanistan first because it's the "central front in the war on terror," the place "where 9/11 was planned" and where terrorists are "plotting new attacks against the United States."

"We have to succeed in taking the fight to the terrorists," Obama said at another point, calling for a broader policy that defeats terrorists, reduces the spread of nukes, and achieves "true energy security."

As we've noted here before, with John McCain painting Obama's Iraq policies as a "surrender," a central political challenge Obama faces is driving home the message that his national security policies constitute going on offense against global threats. He tried to do precisely that today by appropriating language the GOP uses about Iraq and instead using it to describe Afghanistan, his first stop on the trip.

Here's Obama on terror...

And there was one other nice touch.

When discussing the fact that there's support building domestically for more military resources to be invested in Afghanistan, a position McCain himself has now embraced, Obama sidestepped a chance to name McCain

"I'm glad that there's a growing consensus at home that we need more resources in Afghanistan," Obama said.

Obama was clearly aware that a partisan attack would undermine the presidential optics he's trying to project.

Overall, the image of this particular American Democrat in the Mideast, using tough language about terror but weaving it into a broader global vision that includes an emphasis on multilateralism and true energy reform -- even as Republicans are embracing some of his war-on-terror policies -- is an undeniably powerful one.


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Nice job, Greg. The press-conference was a thing of beauty. I'd love to show it to every person in America who thinks Obama lacks foreign policy expertise. He got into a level of discussion that McCain could only dream of, without resorting to trite expressions like "victory" and "surrender."

It was also an example of Obama speaking to Americans and the press corps as an adult. We'll see if that works.

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The contrast is particularly dramatic right now, because the GOP has been going through a particularly shrill fit of denial.

But I've got to figure that the true audience for anything adult is the press corps. Not much of that filters back to voters, esp. in July.

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Yup, especially with hacks like Andrea Mitchell reporting immediately afterwards that the big news is that Obama wouldn't listen to advice from commanders on the ground.

Sigh.

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You should go look at Mark (Drudge owns me!) Halperin's take. Go right now, because it may change, but it is, considering the source, a very favorable description.

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Andrea Mitchell probably had that typed out before the wheels left the runway for the trip.

If he convinces the press, he will have shifted the entire tone of discourse in the future, even if not much about this trip will get attention from many voters now.

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thx man. hard to see how this wasn't 100 percent success.

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O I agree, Greg - this entire trip looks, feels, and I think is, what Obama needed to show the voters just how ready he is for this job.

I think this trip has been awesome - it's been outstanding.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Hopefully he can just avoid a pitfall in Israel/Palestine and then it's all great from there in Europe!

the trip has been flawless so far. and andrea mitchell needs to learn how to comprehend english.

I cant wait for the debates

The CNN headline is Obama Sticks to His Position on Iraq . That resolute answer As Greg's pointed out before more than the position feeds the political narrative - Commander in Chief

In Olympics gymnastics terms,he stuck the landing in Amman

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Any chance that video of the presser will be up soon?

He is knocking this trip out of the park. The goal was to appear Presidential, and allay fears among some people (thanks alot, HRC) that Obama was not ready to be CIC.

Next Republican talking point to be co-opted: "Mission Accomplished"

You know, I keep hearing the general purpose of Obama's trip being reported this way in the MSM. But, I tend to think of it more broadly. I think that he is making contacts with the people that he will be working with over the next 8 years. Making those contacts now is part of making all of this a reality. He's refining his foreign policies, he's developing the relationships that need to be developed (with both foreign and military leaders), he's developing the image that needs to be developed (at home and abroad) - I see all of this as a bridge, a way to build the momentum to his transition into the White House. It just all seems very natural. I'm continually struck at how he progressively seems more and more Presidential - not just like a Presidential candidate.

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The ability to think long term appears to be one of his strengths.

And the polar opposite of the current inhabitant of the White House. The difference could not be more stark.

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Carol, this is exactly what I'm seeing and I agree with you 100%. It's amazing - I was busy last week and basically skipped the week in news and the difference since I'm back online really hit me hard. All of a sudden, he's so very presidential that like I said yesterday there is a new air inevitability about him.

It's like he's already president -

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Agree with you and Carol and CT and Dorn. :)

Evidently McBush does too, as he is obviously scared shitless by all this! It really is enjoyable to watch.

Of course you are right, I was simply pointing out the most superficial and probably most lasting impression of the trip.

Now, if we could just get someone with some sense to make the bigger point out there in MSMland...

It really is time to move past the Hate Hillary meme. Time to act like the grown-up that Obama is expecting us to act like. But if you do want to play in the sandbox, you can also thank HRC for building the need for Obama to visit Iraq and get the opportunity to nail it.

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I didn't see the press conference, but I look forward to seeing snippets of it later tonight.

It must have gone well, because Mark Halperin's take is: "Desert is hot; Obama stays cool".

That's pretty flattering, considering the source.

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Shit! I'm shocked - Halperin? Wow.

Halperin's still smarting a little from having done that blatant binge-purge on the Administration's "Maliki walkback" fraud. The spanking from TPM alone must have left a mark (heh).

Way to go, on that, btw, guys. You made Mark Halpirin engage in introspection and affected his coverage for the better. That's power. (Just use it wisely and don't let it go to your heads like it did at HuffPo.)

How can you have a war on a concept. I guess it's what you have to do to be president of an empire.

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Political reality is that no one will be elected president if they speak the truth about the fake "war on terror". In other words, we can't handle the truth.

So, I see Obama now starting the process to shift our thinking back to reality. Iraq is so obviously not about a war on anything, other than establishing a colony in Iraq, so it is safe for Obama to shift the emphasis to Afghanistan, which at least has a connection to the 9/11 terrorists. That connection is so slight that I feel sure he will walk us back from that construct as soon as it can be done.

Obama remains infinitely better as a choice for President than McCain, who seems to be shrinking with every public appearance - The Incredible Shrinking Presidential Candidate.

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Well, I'm a happy boy. I may have to change my damn photo, except that it's my logo, too.

This has to go down as the week that John McCain lost the election. I know he never had much of a chance to begin with, but I don't see how he can possibly recover from this.

I can't wait to see the World Tour bump in the polls in a week or two...!

No need to worry about Obama wasting precious resources and time trying to ignite bridges that are illusions!!!

What I witnessed was a president today. McCain's future looks grim at best.

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McLame's idea of looking presidential is to ride around with 41 in his golf cart with the Hands Off warning on it. And that was contrasted with those great pictures of Obama on the helicopter with Petraeus.

Not only has McLame lost, but he's lost so badly already, that if they tried to steal it I think there'd be a damn civil war.

I saw a clip of them on the evening news and Bush Sr. looked seriously pained while McShame was talking. Either he hates McCain's company, he can't stand the idea of McCain leading this country, or he had to do a serious doo-doo. Maybe it was a combination of the three.

Now, if he would just respect the founding father's concept of the absolute separation of church and state I can then die in piece.

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Dude, you can respect the constitutional separation of church and state without stomping all over religion and making noises about believers having no place in America.

I hope he takes the votes of every religious voter in the country. I hear your concern - I agree. The constitution is clear, I understand the reasons for it and I believe in those reasons and in the constitution and I'm not religious. But most Americans are, and I'm really glad his campaign is not ignoring that.

Point taken. Allow me to clearify.

I have never said religious people have no place in this country. I say that religion, not the people, have no place in government, social policy, tax policy or public education.

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There was only one? Which Father are you claiming?

LOL - nice catch!!!

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With its current web site headline, CNN sets a new standard in faux-concern blathering

Could an Obama victory hurt black Americans?

Now I personally do not think that an Obama presidency will improve race relations any time soon. But to suggest that there is a realistic chance that race relations will worsen after an Obama victory is to be grasping at the flimsiest of straw men. Even after the debacle of a Bush presidency, I am not turned off at the prospect of another white man from Texas becoming president, if he was the right white man.

Why can't CNN uses its valuable web site main story space to do an in depth analysis of today's Obama press conference in Jordan?

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I wish they would because this ongoing racial shit that is being promulgated by mostly white people is starting to sound really silly, frankly.

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HusseinTenaX is right again. Personally, I think the Obama campaign has already helped race relations, at least where I've been. I'm obviously white (Slytherins are very pale), but I've been interacting more with AAs as part of the Obama campaign--some incredible conversations. I hope these friendships will last much longer than the election.

And this doesn't even touch on how inspirational Obama has been to so many young black kids--that has to be a great thing.

And this doesn't even touch on how inspirational Obama has been to so many young black kids--that has to be a great thing.

And white kids -- like mine and their white friends.

Not sure what the impact is on mudbloods, though.

Why can't CNN uses its valuable web site main story space to do an in depth analysis of today's Obama press conference in Jordan?

Because racism is their (and the rest of the Corpratists') best shot at creating an anti-Obama panic attack. Politics is truly the sum of all fears.

[sigh]

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I was mislead by Kurtz on the home page to link here. I did not find the words "bold, muscular, or multilateral." Did I miss the translation from CENTCOM?

What struck me was that Andrea Mitchell, who yesterday decried the "fake" interviews of the trip, used her first up opportunity to give a three minute speech instead of ask a question.

Yep, she was practically throwing a foot-stomping tantrum last night on Hardball. Damn, but I can't stand Andrea Mitchell.

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Oh, great. She probably thinks she's providing balance or something. Maybe her hubby Alan Greenspan doesn't like Obama for linking him to the subprime stuff.

The joke from last night on Hardball for me was Andrea Mitchell's quip on how miliatary are not neccessarily competent in reportering or capturing the Obama trip. I laughed like hell- she actually believes the current pool of reports-herself included- are competent.

My thoughts exactly. She actually said “you’re seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questioned by the military and what some would call fake interviews because they’re not interviews with a journalist so there’s a real press issue here."

The issue is where IS a real press.

She went on, "Politically it’s smart as can be, but we’ve not seen a Presidential candidate do this in my recollection ever before.”

Technically, Bush was not a candidate when he commandeered an aircraft carrier, dressed up in a codpiece, pronounced the war won beneath a banner reading "Mission Accomplished" and left a wet spot on Tweety's pants.

hmmmmm......take illusion, call it a bridge, then spend the next 8 years trying to burn it never thinking illusions aren't flamable.....


.....and they are saying Bush is concerned about his legacy? It's right there, staring him in the face.

This a spectacular trip. His calmness, poise, substance, judgement and comport are breathtaking. I must admit Barack exceeded my expectations.

How can someone not see how ready he's to be the POTUS, more than anyone else in a long long time.

cnn has become a joke along with the rest of MSM.

Just say no to ALL war.

I'd love to show it to every person in America who thinks Obama lacks foreign policy expertise.

Sigh, how often have I wished that every voting American would sit down and listen to Sen. Obama answer questions of just about any topic, particularly the stupid C-in-C and "listening to commanders" memes -- he is just amazing.

Personally, if I were one of the media-w*ores parroting the inane McCamp's "surge-success" talking point, I would have to hang myself after one of his truly cutting responses. He is just amazing at smacking down lunacy without gnashing his teeth or anything!

Oops, was meant to be a response to das2003. The blockquote is hirs...

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Politically, in terms of winning the election, this is probably the right note for BO to strike. Still, I hope he isn't taking the Global War On Terror as seriously as he makes it sound. The fact is, we are NOT beset by enemies on every side, certainly not by enemies who are organized and funded and clever enough to carry off attacks on our soil in the face of reasonable (repeat: reasonable) security measures at home. I pray that when BO is president we can reel in the huge expenditures this so-called war is costing us and start to take care of other things that really matter. All the while, of course, remaining vigilant -- as opposed to wildly paranoid, which is what we've been the last seven years.

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Dude, listen up: WYSIWYG. If you're uneasy about what you are seeing, let his campaign know about it. Obama owes the "netroots" a great debt for their help in attaining the nomination, and that base needs to hold him accountable.

Obama appeared very much in control and broadly informed. Big contrast to McCain's recent trip during which he had to be corrected by Lieberman several times. I don't understand why the media keep saying foreign affairs is McCain's strength when he keeps making gaffes in that area on almost a daily basis. I doubt McCain could pass the world geography exam required of 9th graders.

Visions of McCain tanking on "Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader?" Getting owned by Jeff Foxworthy. :)

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Compare this to McCain's muddled interview on GMA yesterday when he appeared groggy and clueless about geography (Iraq's border with Pakistan). All he could do was spout the same old tired Bush platitudes of "victory" and "defeat", with "defeat" meaning anything that Bush didn't propose, then claiming he understands what Iraqis want better than they do.
Obama's tour is accomplishing exactly what it was meant to do: show that Obama has the temperament and thoughtfulness to be president.
The only gaffes have been from McCain.
Meanwhile, an op-ed in the Chicago Tribune by Steven Calabresi, a McCain advisor, states that Obama isn't old enough for the job. It presents examples of other presidents under age 50- Teddy Roosevelt, JFK -who made decisions that later were wrong. It conveniently ignores mistakes made by elderly presidents like Reagan who napped through his second term as radicals like Oliver North took over his foreign policy.
Maybe the age card is all they have left.

It's obvious that in McCain's world, the middle east is all the same and he doesn't like any of them anyway. So what's the diff?

No doubt McCain would not show the restraint that JFK did in a crisis. It's not age, it's judgment. I thought Obama appeared very JFK like today.

Isn't McCain supposed to be talking about economics this week...he seems to be on the defense on foreign affairs instead. It's only July and his campaign is on the attack like it is October. I already have McCain fatigue.

Isn't McCain supposed to be talking about economics this week...

He forgot.

Hello everyone, first time posting on a political blog. TPM is one of a handful of sites I rely on daily to keep my insultated from NeoCon garbage since darkness fell upon the land in January of 2001...

Anyhoo - There are a few things I have noticed about this trip, and the campaign in general:

1. I haven't seen anyone pick up on this yet, but John McCain is referring to Obama's trip as 'Political Theater', yet wasn't it McCain who goaded Obama to go to Iraq just a couple of months ago??? Now that he is there, and Obama is clearly standing on his own re: Foreign Policy and GWOT (TM), McCain just sounds ridiculous. Is it just me, or is that what others sense as well?

2. As the article states, Obama is using the language of W and the gang, but in an actually intelligible argument. If AQ & the Taliban (you know, the ones that actually attacked us) are now controlling 1 or 2 provinces in Afghanistan, all within the last year, doesn't that call for an urgency to get forces on the ground where they are needed?

I'm no great military mind, but to siphon off even a few brigades from Iraq to Afghanistan to combat the threat there sounds like what Obama is talking about, so we might actually be able to:

1. Maintain gains in Iraq
2. Beat back the Taliban and AQ

Since Obama is the first to bring this up recently, W and McCain are seriously being perceived as back-peddling to catch up.

And don't get me started on the whole Iran (we're talking, not negotiating) thing.

Josh and Greg (and all), Thanks for letting me put in my $ .02

Ken in New Hampshire

Welcome, Ken. I agree that McCain stepped in it by "daring" Obama to visit Iraq. Well, Obama's out there and getting an overwhelming response. He's generating a momentum here that I don't think McCain will be able to overcome. From here, we have the VP picks, the convention, debates,...and I expect that Obama will continue to blow us away with fundraising. Poll results will also be fun to watch in the next few months. Good times!

What would McCain call his "Sunday Stroll" in a Baghdad market place, and then claiming that everything was safe, failing to mention he had over 100 heavily armed soldiers and three gun ships protecting him on his "stroll".

That is textbook political theater.

That's the thing that has my head scratching about McCain and this trip - that fisaco last year with the market (you just know) is going to be brought front and center by a whole spectrum of the political universe. Wouldn't you think it's smarter to keep his mouth shut?

(not that I'm complainin')

As someone else posted here earlier, (so far) this trip is turning into something that Obama could never have dreamed of, and McCain could never have pulled off.

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Welcome from me, too. But I gotta point out, the Taliban did not attack us and AQ doesn't control a cotton-pickin' thing. The civil strife in Afghanistan is THEIR strife, just as Saddam Hussein was IRAQ's dictator. We cannot appoint ourselves the World Police and go in there (again) with guns blazing. The people who masterminded 9/11 are criminals who need to be brought to justice, by careful police work, and perhaps even some kind of surgical strike. But this bullshit of going into sovereign nations to save them from themselves (or because of some paranoid delusion that sorting them out will make us safer at home) has GOT TO STOP!

What I don't get is the notion Greg perpetuates here that when a Democrat speaks about going after terrorists in Afghanistan, that it's somehow adopting Republican language. Simply recognizing that the country was attacked and that we must accordingly pursue the attackers and ensure that they and their sympathizers do not strike again (or, more realistically, that at least we have made it as difficult for them to do so as possible) is not Republican rhetoric, it's not Democratic rhetoric, it's just basic common sense. If you look at Obama's speech in 2002, his case for not going to war was based on exactly this sort of reasoning. The only Republican language I detect here is the term "War on Terror," an admittedly dumb term. But even there, I don't see too much of a big deal. The one place on the planet where it makes sense to combat Al Qaeda with a standing military, as opposed to smart police work busting small cells in urban areas, is along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. GOP stupidity lies in the fact that they insist on applying this model EVERYWHERE ELSE, resulting in disastrous decisions like going to war in Iraq.

The answer I liked was about the Pakistan boarder where he pivoted and said, and I'm paraphrasing, we may have to engage India in direct talks in order to calm Pakistani fears and have them re-focus on the Afghan/tribal side.

I thought to myself as I listened, this is incredibly smart. Look at the whole picture and don't put "mission" blinders on as "The Bush" always does. See the forest and the trees at the same time.

In some earlier post (maybe on another site) someone compared Obama's strategy to playing chess -- thinking four or five moves again.

I would say that he's already checkmated McShame.

I think you have the wrong press conference.
"The answer I liked was about the Pakistan boarder."

It was McCain who made the joke about the girl who takes in a Pakistani boarder. After the boarder rapes her and her daughter and beats them senseless, she asks, "Where the hell do you think you are,you marvelous Ape, Czechoslovakia?

NOBAMA, FIGHT THE DNC, TROLLFEST 08.

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That was supposed to be a joke? I guess I don't get it. What is McCain thinking, spouting garbage like that on the campaign trail? Ugh -- who wants a president who would subect the country to tasteless jokes for the next four years? We've had 8 years of a presidency that is a tasteless joke. Enough already!

It was a joke about a joke about jokester trolls with a play on typo. Wait, you see the Czech thing, and then the border play on....What do you mean you didn't get it???? Don't you read the table of contents of the New Yorker?

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My post showed up in the wrong place before:

I think you need a little tweak in your satire meter. But then, McCain's original joke wasn't much better, so you can be forgiven for that one. Sort of like a parallel to Poe's Law, it's hard to make a parody of a Republican that can't easily be mistaken for the real thing.

True. Sad. But. True. Where's Idiotic when I needs him/her/&or/both.

NH_Ken, welcome first timer. You asked "McCain just sounds ridiculous. Is it just me, or is that what others sense as well?" It's just you.

Regarding more troops to Afghanistan you say "Since Obama is the first to bring this up recently, W and McCain are seriously being perceived as back-peddling to catch up." Actually, according to George Stepandfetchalot over at ABC last night, Obama's position on more troops is "putting him closer to McCain's position." Perception is in the eye of the beholden.


Ken in NH -- greetings from Maine and welcome to the world of Chomsky-reading, Volvo-driving, America-bashing malcontents (or whatever we're supposed to be this week).

Personally I kind of miss the days when we were non-working African-American layabouts.

"Personally I kind of miss the days when we were non-working African-American layabouts"

I love it...Actually, I'm a Ludlum reading, Ford driving, Constitution_is_supposed_to_mean_something idealist

...I know, I know, call me a knucklehead

Gots that right. Me I misses my Missus with the Cadillac she got with the welfare check. Now I got to spend all day duct taping the windows to keep them pesky Islamofacists out so they won't disrupt my mental recession over gas being too high to take the Caddy out for some fried chickens.

ROFL!

And Blue Chucks-wearin'...

Damn, I like that avatar.

Katie Couric's going to keep up the bash Obama route:

"Says she plans to press Obama on his opposition to the surge, despite evidence it has been “extremely effective.”

Almost as effective as the ratings coup scored by CBS when they hired Katie Couric?

zing!

Great. Give Obama a chance to give her a good, hard spankin'.

I think she'll like it. Cheerleader types like her often do.

You risk allowing someone to play the disaffected Hillaryite and accuse you of sexism.

To me the sad things about Couric are that when CBS spits her out 1) they won't even let her go gracefully to a morning AM slot where she can reveal her fantasy sex life 30 years from now, and
2)Bob Schieffer will still be drooling on his shirt occupying the Sunday AM slot.

Ha! Love those observations.

And me, sexist? Absolutely not. I firmly believe in equal opportunity spanking.

The McCain Campaign is

1/ To ignore Maliki, to ignore the Iraki's government.
2/ The surge has been working, the surge is working, and the surge will be working, and therefore the American troops need to stay in Irak at the same level for more than 100 years....

So my question is the surge is working so well, what would be the consequence of withdrawing 1 or 2 brigades?

Any takers?


I'm thinking that Bush will want to "declare victory and get out" of Iraq by the end of the summer, especially before the elections in November. We'll see a plan for a victory-exit sometime in Sept/October.

I'll bite...

Since the Surge was supposed to give time for the Central government to come together over several key issues (any body heard any progress on those lately?), but progress is at the opposite end of the spectrum - the village level, re-deploying 1 or 2 brigades will prove the true success at the regional level, with one of two possible outcomes:

1. The local Iraqis will maintain their own momentum (hooray - really) toward something resembling peace.
2. The local Iraqis will revert to the only thing they have know for possibly hundreds of years - they are not interested in democracy, they will simply work with whoever won't kill them and mutilate their families, whoever that may be.

John McCain's / W's strategy is simply keeping the finger in the dyke such that we never arrive at an answer. My biggest problem with this whole mess is that W isn't using his own finger to plug the holes, he's using America's best and brightest like duct tape on a broken pipe.

This will still leave the unanswered question of the central gov't.

Counter-question - is Iraq destined to devolve into a regional / tribal / sectarian stew after the US hands over true control? Heaven help the women that end up in the 'Shiria District'.

Ken, gettin used to being a regular over here?
Guess you don't find having Baghdad Bob available at CENTCOM to issue correct trranslations of Maliki statements to German publications is evidence that we have reintegrated Baathists and are taking steps to involve our recalcitrant European allies?
SURGE '08! NOBAMA NO COUNT NEG...

This makes me less angry.

And in the presser Hagel endorsed a "timeline." No surprise but nice slap to Bush and McCain from a Repub.

Boarder, border?
Ricky, yeah I guess my newness here shows... That was a sloppy post. Here's what I meant to say:

While watching Senator Obama's press conference from Jordan this morning I was struck by the answer he gave to a question about securing the BORDER between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Instead of some simple "talking points" answer, he said we should include India. That, IMHO, is outflanking the question -- and yes, that is much smarter than anything I've heard from the other side.

Sorry myself. See response to response to my response above. Pun intended. Next time Obama should be asked by our crack press corps if he likes the Sunni weather in Shiaslovakia.
NO KURDS IN WHEY OF VICTORY! SURGE '08.

NO KURDS IN WHEY OF VICTORY!

Uh oh, Ricky. You're eclipsing Liam's place in my heart with your clever word play... :)

With every one of her posts, Andrea Mitchell should be required to disclose her marriage to Alan Greenspan. Obviously, she can't get over the loss of their crony, fmr. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) as a potential Treasury Sec'y in a McCain presidency, so she will stick in her shiv into Obama whenever/wherever she can. Pitiful.

The Geraldine Ferraro of "news".

Must resist, must resist...Andrea Mitchell...
Disclose Marriage to Greenspan....Whining about "fake" news...Marriage...whining...fake...

He moaned softly, content in his act of self control and whispered another paragraph of incomprehensible gibberish into her ear that made her Standards Poorer and her DOW drip in anticipation. She lost her disclosure.

"Al, I'm going to SURGE. I'm SURGING!"

She knew it was fake and she would have to do it again next quarter.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Oh Good Lord. Somehow, I don't think this is going on in the Greenspan household. Well...not with Al, anyway.

now, that's funny! double zing!

I don't see any more oxygen for the GOP until their convention, and what little is left will require tanks and hoses. Obama returns from a triumphant trip, and the narrative turns to his veep, followed by the Olympics, followed by the Dem convention. What will state polls look like then?

There are simply no opportunities left to steer the narrative back. McCain did not use his presumptive nominee status wisely. And please let him choose Mittens! Or even better: "Bobby" Jindahl!

The polls in MI, OH, NH, and FL...too much wandering around, these numbers, and Obama is setting himself in Presidential stone. His pattern during the primaries repeats, and the tide turns.

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NH_Ken, you wrote:

"Since Obama is the first to bring this up recently, W and McCain are seriously being perceived as back-peddling to catch up."

Actually Obama brought it up at the beginning of the primary season during one his, what, 1000 debates with Hillary Clinton, stating that we needed to send more troops to Afghanistan and that he would get them by redeploying troops from Iraq.

And a couple of weeks ago, this same idea was brought up by none other than Adm. Mullens, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. So once again, Obama thinking ahead of everybody else.

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I think you need a little tweak in your satire meter. But then, McCain's original joke wasn't much better, so you can be forgiven for that one. Sort of like a parallel to Poe's Law, it's hard to make a parody of a Republican that can't easily be mistaken for the real thing.

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http://www.amazon.com/After-Bush-Continuity-American-Foreign/dp/0521880041/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216742838&sr=8-1

After Bush: The Case for Continuity in American Foreign Policy (Hardcover)

This is a rare and brilliant book: beautifully and clearly written, punctiliously researched, and with a clear and important message: that, once elected, American presidents have far more in common with one another than is usually believed, especially by their partisan supporters.

I think we need to wait until the hardcore campaigning begins before we take into account the polls right now. I'm talking about the 2-3 visits per state per day from each candidate (though, I don't know if McCain can do that many per day). Also, we have to take into account the debates. Specifically, how Obama is going to absolutely work McCain in them.

Polls this early are just a showing of fluctuation. I seriously doubt McCain's message is that strong. Though his commercials let you think that he is greater than what he actually is.

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Obama needs to listen to Juan Cole and not send more troops to A-stan.

I would point out how easy it is for Obama to throw his supporters under the bus. I fear Israel would be one he throws under the bus we as a country would dearly pay for. Ironic that Democrats who have been historical allies of Israel would elect someone who can't be trusted regarding Israel.

How many people on this forum believe the United States should agree to increase monatary aid to the Palestinians?

Obama said this: "You know, the Palestinians are divided between Fatah and Hamas."
How do you deal with a people whose loyalties are divided between two groups of terrorists? Why do you even talk to them? You liberal San Francisco Obama lovers got any answers? You love the Arabs who hate America. Cat got your tongue?

look at their history and ask yourself why they would support extremist governments. why did the american public support bush's more extreme policies? because traumatic events beget traumatic decisions. it's the same reason israel has so many policies that many consider extreme.

the only way out of the clusterfuck that exists is for both sides to step back and reassess. neither one is getting exactly what they want. they're both going to have to make compromises about what they see as nonnegotiable values and interests.

remember, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder no matter what we'd like to think. an action that seems perfectly reasonable to one side living within in one context is the most vile and wretched, cowardly attack possible to imagine to someone living in an entirely different context. read your history books. it's a story as old as humanity.

andrea mitchell thinks just because she can hobnob with the washington elite (because of greenspan) that she can be chummy with obama but obama's campaign keeps the media at arms length hence her petulance. i dont understand why ron allen isnt the one msnbc sent. mitchell is clearly incompetent and she stutters all over her incompetence.

notice her flouting the obama dress code for the the press.

Do you San Francisco type liberals denounce this:


http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/?GT1=38001

A Textbook Case of Intolerance
Changing the world one schoolbook at a time.
By Anne Applebaum
Posted Monday, July 21, 2008, at 8:01 PM ET

Saudi textbooks
Because they are so clearly designed for the convenience of large testing companies, I had always assumed that multiple-choice tests, the bane of any fourth grader's existence, were a quintessentially American phenomenon. But apparently I was wrong. According to a report put out by the Hudson Institute's Center for Religious Freedom last week, it seems that Saudi Arabians find them useful, too. Here, for example, is a multiple-choice question that appears in a recent edition of a Saudi fourth-grade textbook, Monotheism and Jurisprudence, in a section that attempts to teach children to distinguish "true" from "false" belief in god:

Q. Is belief true in the following instances:
a) A man prays but hates those who are virtuous.
b) A man professes that there is no deity other than God but loves the unbelievers.
c) A man worships God alone, loves the believers, and hates the unbelievers.

The correct answer, of course, is c). According to the Wahhabi imams who wrote this textbook, it isn't enough just to worship god or just to love other believers—it is important to hate unbelievers as well. By the same token, b) is also wrong. Even a man who worships god cannot be said to have "true belief" if he loves unbelievers.


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"Unbelievers," in this context, are Christians and Jews. In fact, any child who sticks around in Saudi schools until ninth grade will eventually be taught that "Jews and Christians are enemies of believers." They will also be taught that Jews conspire to "gain sole control of the world," that the Christian crusades never ended, and that on Judgment Day "the rocks or the trees" will call out to Muslims to kill Jews.

These passages, it should be noted, are from new, "revised" Saudi textbooks. Following a similar analysis of earlier versions of these same textbooks in 2006, American diplomats immediately approached their Saudi counterparts about the more disturbing passages, and the Saudis agreed to conduct a "comprehensive revision … to weed out disparaging remarks towards religious groups."

The promised revision—hailed, at the time, as a great diplomatic success—was supposed to be finished by the beginning of the 2008-09 school year and was accompanied by a Saudi PR campaign. Among other things, the Saudis sponsored an interfaith dialogue last week, one that all participants hailed as a great breakthrough—despite the fact that the actual meetings took place in Spain as it would be too embarrassing for Saudi Arabia to host Christian and Jewish religious leaders on its own soil. But although the beginning of the 2008-09 school year is nearly upon us, the only textbook revisions have been superficial, and the most disturbing part of the message—that faithful Muslims should hate Jews and Christians—remains.

Normally, the contents of another country's textbooks would be of no interest to us. Indeed, I've no doubt that there are plenty of U.S. textbooks that contain insane, incorrect, or otherwise unacceptable information. Saudi school textbooks are a special case, however. They are written and produced by the Saudi government and subsequently distributed, free of cost, to Saudi-sponsored schools as far afield as Lagos, Nigeria, and Buenos Aires, Argentina. Americans are not the only ones who worry about their influence. In Britain, a small political storm began last year when British mosques were found to be distributing Saudi books that called on Muslims to kill all apostates.

Still, even if U.S. diplomacy is a legitimate response to this peculiarly insidious form of propaganda, it clearly isn't a sufficient response. Far more significant, and surely more effective, would be a unified response from the rest of the world's Muslims, the vast majority of whom do not share Saudi views and do, occasionally, say so. The Hudson Insitute report cites a few of them, outside as well as inside Saudi Arabia. It would be useful, for us but especially for them, if they would say so more often and more loudly.

Of course, we are not a Muslim nation, and Americans cannot, by themselves, orchestrate a meaningful Muslim response to Saudi extremism. But we do have a large Muslim population, we do have friends in the moderate Muslim world, and we do have some money, much of which is wasted, to spend on public diplomacy. We also have two presidential candidates who are arguing hard this week about the best ways to combat terrorism, the best way to deploy guns and aid, the best uses of American military power.

Here is a novel idea for both of them: Make sure that children in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in Islamic schools all around the world have decent fourth-grade textbooks. It might save a lot of trouble later on.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/world/middleeast/22mideast.html

AMMAN, Jordan — For what feels like forever, Israelis and their Arab neighbors have been hopelessly deadlocked on how to resolve the Palestinian crisis. But there is one point they may now agree on: If elected president, Senator Barack Obama will not fundamentally recalibrate America’s relationship with Israel, or the Arab world.

andrea mitchell on race 08 on msnbc smugly calls obama short of arrogant, totally twisting obama's words. mitchell would have the generals dictate american policy. wow. her performance proves without a doubt that she's anti-obama. hope they drop her pff the plane.

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