Another GOP Oil-Drilling Myth Is Born!
As you know, we've been posting here regularly about the GOP's frequent pushing of the myth that China is drilling for oil off American shores.
Well here's another outlandish oil-drilling line: If not for the Dems in Congress, gas would cost two bucks a gallon!
Here's what Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota had to say in an op-ed for National Review, promoting drilling in ANWR:
The fact of the matter is that Congress is standing in the way of $2-a-gallon gas. It is Speaker Pelosi and the House Democrats who are refusing to let commonsense energy legislation come to the floor.
That's right: Bachmann says that we can cut the price of gas from over four dollars down to two, a change of more than 50%, by just opening up some new drilling. What wonderful news!
The problem, however, is that this just isn't true when you're working on the scale of a vast global marketplace.
In the case of ANWR, a Department of Energy study this past May found that drilling there could potentially lower the price of a barrel of oil by a mere 75 cents -- only enough to lower the price of a gallon of gas by about two cents, and it would take until the year 2025. Proposed offshore drilling plans for other areas have yielded similar numbers, too.
Oh well. Lowering the price by two dollars, or two cents -- what's the difference?
We'll be hearing a lot more of this line over the next few months.















Eric, Greg & Co, you are to be congratulated for busting this shit every time you see one. Not many political news sites have done as well and persistantly as you guys have done. Well done!!!
DNC must make a national ad busting this myth, before republican truthiness become the truth.
July 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real problem is that Bachmann is one of the dumbest members of Congress, up right there with Rep. Mean Jean Schmidt of Ohio and Senators Jim Bunning of Kentucky (even Bush's Treasury Secretary Paulson basically dismissed him as an idiot at the recent Fannie/Freddie hearing) and chief global climate change denier James Inhofe of Oklahoma.
There is no point in arguing with what she wrote, as she obviously didn't write that herself. The other real problem is that people actually vote for these clowns.
July 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I wish someone would ask these drill-happy pols whether by virtue of our drilling off of our coasts, that these -private- multinationals doing the drilling would assure of us selling their supply to the US in larger proportion to the rest of the world?
Would they sell us oil at less that the going rate on Mercantile Exchange...?
Is McCain or others proposing to charge oil companies an export levy on oil they remove from US shores? How could we guarantee some benefits for ourselves in the event that prices don't fall?
Somehow I think the Republican reflex would be to not want to meddle in the free markets...
So in the end, maybe we would be putting our coasts at risk in order to feed to the future demand of rapidly expanding emerging countries.
July 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bachman is moron, always has been always will be. Her idea of research is "what did Bush say?"
July 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
This representatice gets the tool of the day ward...I hope she gets to be seen kissing bushie again!
July 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You would think if this were actually possible, they would drill in some of the areas they already have access to... of course, that thinking requires logic.
July 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would assume that what they are actually interested in is drilling. It's not, according to Naomi Klein (author of the Shock Doctrine in a recent interview* on "Democracy Now!". What the oil companies really want is to accumulate leases. The more leases they have, the more tightly they can control the oil market and set their own prices. (You know, sort of like Enron did with the electricity market in California...)
*Caution to all true-believing Obamanauts: Klein makes a few critical remarks about Obama in this interview. Do not listen to it if you blow a gasket whenever somebody suggests that Obama is something less than the "parfit gentil knight".
July 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for the link to the naomi klein democracy now interview. good stuff.
July 22, 2008 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Democrats should let the Republicans drill but in exchange we should get some focus on alternative energy and switching over to new smart electric grids.
You don't want to give the Republicans these talkingpoints going into the fall.
July 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle Bachmann the pride of Mississippi...too bad for Minnesota and the nationl
July 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. I can't believe we voted her in. Ech! Everytime she opens her mouth I just want to stuff it full of newspaper or something. She defines the word "twit".
July 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What did we do down here in Mississippi to earn this honor?
July 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The river, not the state. It starts in Minnesota.
July 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Opening ANWR to fix the Oil crisis is like buying a new key chain to fix your car after it has been run over by dump truck: stupid.
It is not like these oil companies don't have plenty of places to drill that are as of yet untapped. They could, hell, we give them tax breaks to do just that. But they'd rather use their tax breaks and their ginormous profits to buy back thier own stock.
July 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't matter. As long as that keychain helps you psychologically drive your car, you should be fine.
July 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
The funny thing is so many people believe the answer is more drilling in America, like that will solve all our problems.
It just doesn't work that way.
Where oil originates from has very little impact on the price of said oil. Do you think the governement is going to drill the oil and refine the oil then give it to us, the citizens? No, of course not! It will be Exxon that drills for the oil and Exxon who charges us for that oil.
The futures market sets the price of oil. If we want to lower the price of oil we have to do something we haven't been good at since after teh great depression: We have to REGULATE THE MARKET!
Of course the Republicans treat regulation like it is the boogy man that intends to kick your dog, rape your wife and get your children interested in rap music, but then they are bunch of fucking idiots.
July 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
From what I've read, regulating the futures market will not do much good either.
July 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHat I want to ask any Republican on this ANWR and OCS drilling is this. Why did they not open the area up to drilling from 2000-2006 when they had the White House, Senate, and the House under GOP rule?
July 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can answer that one: Because they don't really want to do it, they just want to sound like they want to do it. Sure, they want to open ANWR, nobody ever goes up there and it is ugly (I actually have been there, it wasn't pretty.) But Florida? NOPE. Gov. Crist may be making motions these days, but trust me, it will never happen.
If anyone wants to see what offshore drilling looks like take a trip to Corpus Christi TX and go out in a boat. If the MSM did that this whole offshore drilling debate would desolve.
July 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about Crawford, Tx?
July 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Crawford's about 250 miles away from any offshore drilling!
July 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
FYI, you may want to delete the question at the end. For many people there is a large difference between 2 cents and 2 dollars when it comes to gallons of gas. Think of truckers, salesmen, and for many rural workers who commute, it can add up to hundreds of dollars a month for many folks.
Not something to be dismissed. Of course, Bachman is still full of shit.
July 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, you're being snarky. Nevermind. Reading snark can be so hard to interpret.
July 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the love of God, would they just go ahead and drill to their hearts' content? Only then will all this wishful thinking and delusion be exposed for what it is.
July 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Further proof Michelle Bachman is flat-out DUMB, dumber than a box of hair DUMB.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/17/michelle-bachman-is-proud-people-have-to-work-two-jobs/
There is no better reason to be against drilling in ANWAR than the fact Michelle Bachman thinks it's a good idea.
July 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The minute I saw that name, it rang a bell that tolled: total idiot. I knew I recognized her name.
July 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attempting to explain something like this to Bachmann is purely an exercise in futility. The woman is certifiable and has proven it on many an occassion. Unfortunately, her district is enough of a Republican stronghold that she gets voted in for no other reason than the fact that she has an (R) after her name on the ballot.
July 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember it is this same fool who said the ANWR would be like the continental pipeline, where the caribou gather to stay warm along the pipe. She said it would be a gathering place for the caribou. Sort of a coffee klatch.>
July 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
what do you expect? She's that Bush groupie who kissed him on the lips in Congress.
She's Katherine Harris' twin sister; they had to have been separated at birth.
July 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ow ow ow ow ow ow! Bad visual imagery!
That needed a warning label.
July 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's true - I had forgotten that whole thing but now I remember it very clearly. I think he'd finished the State of the Union right after his 2d inauguration. He was leaving Congress and everyone shakes his hand and she grabbed his arm from behind, pulled him around to her and planted a big one on his lips. I bet that went over great - I'd love to have heard what Laura said on the way back to the White House.
July 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
My brain, it's melting!
July 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
She did everything but put her hand down his pants.
Yikes!
July 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"*commonsense* energy legislation..."
Note that first word! It is a right-wing, neanderthal Republican buzz word. As in "Commonsense" legislation..."commonsense" science...etc. Used by such anti-science, anti-intellectuals as George Allen (R-Maccaca), Ollie North, George Voinovich (sp?), Inhofe, etc. When the word is used by a Republican, be prepared for utter garbage following.
July 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is also the same fool who thinks that compact fluorescent light bulbs are a great evil that we need legislation to protect us from.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/house/17002506.html
seriously dumb.
July 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I liked this, from that link:
OK, you Minnesotans out there...you've got some explaining to do. Specifically, Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachman. Twins separated at birth?
If I have to keep explaining Joe Lieberman, y'all have to explain Norm and Michelle...
July 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
no explanations, only apologies from this Minnesotan
July 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
No kidding.
I can explain away Coleman as a fluke. You damn well know that if his plane didn't go down, Wellstone would've won another squeaker.
Bachmann? Those people in Stillwater are fools. Thank God I live in the Cities.
July 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
With apologies from this Minnesotan:
Bachmann is from a red enough district where her insanity doesn't keep them from voting her in basically because she has an (R) after her name on the ballot.
As for Normy, he got in because Wellstone's death left the party unable to compete for the spot effectively. As to his re-election, I'm hoping that Franken pulls it together enough to unseat this idiot. If Normay, will all his idiocy, can't be unseated then Dems don't deserve it.
July 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
call NASA and tell them we have located a LARGE BLACK HOLE between this woman's ears
this woman is so dense she is sucking up matter like a vacuum cleaner
July 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
So are the Dems targeting her this election? Surely she makes even the dumbest of Minnesotans burn with shame at being represented by a complete moron. Shouldn't be that hard to beat her.
July 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, she's being targeted by the state party, and it's on one of the DCCC's list of races. I think it's overoptimistic of some Minnesota Democrats to think we'll take all three GOP House seats, but it's close enough to possible to try. If you want to beat Bachmann, and as an embarrassed Minnesotan I certainly want to, her Democratic opponent is Elwyn Tinklenberg, and I'm sure he can use some cash, not to mention volunteers if you live in that district.
July 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You'd think someday GOPers would run out of stupid people like this, but they are home schoolin' the next generation at the moment.
But people like her make stupid like an Olympic sport ..... you think what ever idiocy they have achieved can't be topped until they open their mouths again.
July 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps someone in Ms Bachmann's district could get her to sign a contract that includes her giving up any assets she CURRENTLY holds... to be given to the citizens of Minnesota if her plan goes through and gas does NOT go down to $2/gallon...
Put your money where your mouth is...
BTW: those same oil folks pushing for the Anwar drilling are not rushing to give up any of the other leases they contend have NO oil on them, are they...
Bunch of crooks... all of them... IMHO
July 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is all unfair. She's referring to Senate bill SR 3044-44, which calls for invading Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE, and commencing drilling in those untapped locations immediately.
July 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well given the fact McInsane thinks Iraq and Pakistan share a border, she is in mental derangement lock step with him ....
July 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know that they are deranged so much as they are just dumber than boxes of rocks.
I don't think you could add up the IQs of all the Repugs currently holding office and have it total 200.
July 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well we know they couldn't add it all up AND get the right answer.
(they'd run outa fingers too fast.)
July 21, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given that every time I hear an assinine, moronic statement come out of a politician's mouth, they are a Republican, I can no longer think them as a political party. They're cult, like the Moonies, but crazier.
July 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually Tena, the sum total of their IQs would begin with a decimal point.
July 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're cult, like the Moonies, but crazier.
Probably the reason Rev Moon has wasted billions in the Washington Times to spew their delusional world view for them. They mirror his own delusional world view.
July 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If that hasn't been one of the most egregious panders ever - and Moon has been one of the Bush political family arm's most generous donors for years and years.
July 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Bachmann's National Review she also claims the EIA says opening up drilling will create 750,000 american jobs but in the EIA report, (bottom of page 9) they decline to estimate employment impacts saying it is too difficult to determine on the north shore of alaska.
July 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michele Bachmann is insane, of that I have little doubt. And Slimy Norman (Quimby) Coleman is, well, slimy, an inveterate (invertebrate?) skirt-chaser, and quite possibly also a wife-beater, who, as others have noted above, is there because Paul Wellstone died.
MN Republicans in general are a very strange bunch - quite vocal, all out of proportion to their actual numbers, if you break down the state's Congressional representation by district. They do seem to spew the drivel at high volumes, though.
Bachmann would lose if anyone who was a good campaigner ran against her. Tinklenburg I'm not so sure about, Patty Wetterling was dreadful. I'm hoping the Dems in the legislature redistrict her out of her seat in a few years.
Quimby, on the other hand, just needs to go. I truly hope Franken is up to the campaign - he seems to be nearly charisma-less.
July 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
nada, nichts, rien. Sorry. You've got problems enough without Michelle. My fondest memories of Ms.Bachmann was as a State Senator when she was photographed prowling behind bushes (really!) trying to get some dirt on attendees at an anti Marriage Protection rally. Everytime I try to think of Minnesota as an island of sanity I think of Michelle Bachmann, or Rod Grams, or Rudy Boschwitz, amd I realize the Republican undead are all about us. Pass the garlic.
July 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
O shit, I remember that - there was video.
O she has given us some memorable moments in Repug history, I must say.
July 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm also a Minnesotan, embarrassed whenever I see/hear Michelle Bachmann and Minnesota in the same sentence. I remember reading in an interview she gave a few years back that god talks to her husband and then her husband tells her what to do. If that helps . . .
July 21, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle is the walking embodiment of what happens when you ignore the old adage "It is better to sit quietly and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth (or worse write an editorial) and remove all doubt.
In her previous activity she and her husband pushed creationism on Minnesota students with the help of the Mega Christianist church they belong to. Her husband has a thriving practice there doing "Christian" counseling and reparative therapy using his mail order degrees as credentials. Apparently the Ten Commandments, "Thou shalt not lie." comes to mind, and the Sermon on the Mount have not been part of their Christianity.
July 21, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Because I say so."
McCain says it. Bush says it. It's all the GOP has left.
And it's completely bogus.
July 21, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wondering, how many of the folks commenting on energy policy here are rabid, radical environmentalists?
How many are employees or paid "volunteers" for the Sierra Club, Defenders of Wildlife, Friends of the Earth, Center for Biological Diversity, Wilderness Society, or the Earth Liberation Front??
How many oppose development in the Coastal Plain of ANWR?
How many understand the facts and history on the issue?
How many have been there?
How many have even been to Alaska?
How many have any fundamental understanding of energy policy?
How many simply read an ANWR "fact" sheet attached to a fundraising mailer?
July 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd argue that Tinklenberg is a good fit for the 6th District. For those not specialists in the characteristics of Minnesota's 6th, on the East it borders Wisconsin, north of the Twin Cities, it includes considerable rural territory, much dairy farming, small grains, and all and extends west to just west of St. Cloud. The East side of the District is Swedish Lutheran...they mostly vote Republican, but the DFL's Tinklenberg is also a Swedish Lutheran Supply Pastor, so over the years he has covered in most of the churches in that area. Lutheran Churches that is, not mega churches. The West end of the District is German and Irish, and Catholic. The West end of the district produced Gene McCarthy. It is very pro-life, but also very Catholic Social Justice.
Tinklenberg served as Commissioner of Transportation in Jesse Ventura's administration, and did a very good job. Remember, Jesse didn't really have a party, so he picked competent types from both parties. Ventura's strength was in the 6th District -- particularly around Anoka County, and Ventura has endorsed Tinklenberg, and his Independence Party voted to cross endorse Tinklenberg. The Independence Party usually gets 8-9% of the vote in that district, which if added to the normal DFL vote wins.
Michelle Bachman is against public funding for what will be popular in the district, The North Star Commuter Line which opens soon. It is a rail connection into down town Minneapolis that will hopefully reduce traffic on much overused I-94, initially it connects from Big Lake, but eventually it will go to St. Cloud. One can in fact ride the trains all the way to the airport just south of MPLS, with one transfer once it opens. But Michelle opposes it. It offends her concern with using as much gas as possible. Michelle also opposes public education. All of it. She homeschooled her kids, and so can everyone else. But her big thing is opposition to Gay Marriage, and everything else Gay. Not only did she crawl around in the Bushes to observe a Gay event, she and her husband also sued to Gay 90's, a Minneapolis Gay Club, because they would not admit them to a Transvestite show -- sued them under the Civil Rights Laws, and won sorta...The Gay 90's had to post a sign saying they complied with all Civil Rights Laws. Yep -- she is quite nuts.
Remember, Minneapolis is not the 6th District, our congressperson is the African American Muslim who got sworn in on Thomas Jefferson's Koran. And yes, we all live in reasonable peace in Minnesota.
Does Tinklenberg need money, Yep. Do I think he can win, yep. The whole district had a great caucus turn out for Obama in February, and that whole district is hurting economically. Really hurting. I have a friend who helped lead the organization of a rural Hospital last winter -- they had tried a vote once before, in three years the No Union vote changed to Yes Union, flipping 30% of the workers. And we only need to flip 9% of the voters to flip Bachman into the trash heap. So yes to donations, and if you think the land of 10,000 lakes sounds interesting -- I am sure they could use volunteers. I haven't seen any published polling, but I suspect it can be done.
July 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bob. I'm not sure what constitutes a rabid environmentalist. Basically I want the earth and it's inhabitants to survive and prosper. I certainly am not paid by any of those organizations, nor do I have any wild fantasies that they have budgets that allow them to make such payments. I am an RN, employed by a home care agency. Major environmental problem there is disposing of all those diapers in trash facilities that are not designed for human waste. (Applies to baby diapers too)
I've been to Alaska. Lived there for 14 years actually. Hubby worked for the oil companies on the slope - as an Environmental Engineer (MS). He also worked for the Alaska Department of Environmental Conversation (/snark). (It's all about the money.)
No, the mailers go straight in the trash. There are much better sources of information. (Even better than hubby).
Mostly I oppose wasting the money on a resource that is limited and needs to be replaced by new technology where the investment of money would have a much better ROI. Otherwise known as fiscal responsibility.
Finally, not mentioned here. The oil that comes out of Alaska is sold - to China and other PacRim countries. Guess they get a better price there. And if they get to drill in ANWR, they will sell to America and lower the price to $2 a gallon. Because even though the demands from China and India will grow by leaps in the interim, they will just pass up those profits. Change we can believe in! (That would be the two cents change mentioned above.)
Have you checked out T.Boone Pickens' plan? (Me neither, just askin').
To all you suffering Minnesotans. My empathy and hope. BOTH Ted Stevens and Don Young are in trouble. In a state much redder than yours. Here's to retiring all of 'em!.
July 21, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
They have perfected the technique of repeating lies over and over, from different venue, by different voices, until they become accepted as fact. Too bad these debunking posts don't get the same widespread broadcasting.
As an aside to the conversation, I'm not convinced that this price run up is anything other than a scheme to provide the crisis that makes the public apply pressure on Congress to open up everything the Rs want to drill in, including ANWR, offshore sites, and whatever their oily black hearts desire.
July 21, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The price run up is to get the value of the oil up enough that some of the leases they are sitting on will be profit effective for the more difficult extractions many of them need.
July 21, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to the farging Federal Government at http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp fuel has not been two bucks for the entire once for the last two farging years. Bachman has the wrong Congress.
Yet another sign that the inbreeding program that produced the Republican Party has gone horribly wrong.
July 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Price hikes leading to consummer desperation? Does anyone remember what ENRON, Kerr-McGee, and Williams did to CA after the state deregulated their utilities commision? Black-outs, brown-outs, electricity purchases at 300% above market rates. A new contract with then Governor Gray Davis that amounted to extortion. This lead to Davis losing a recall election.
I wouldn't put it past the oil companies to do the same thing. One of the sticking points to opening ANWAR for drilling, was that the oil companies would not guaranty that the oil would we go to the US market. They still aren't, while wanting to drill off shore on the OCS.
The irony is, now most people are willing to take a look, and invest in alternative energy and fuels.
Bush and Cheney screwed things up so badly, that maybe we'll start doing what we should have done 20 years ago.
July 22, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, sorry for the typo, it is ANWR not ANWAR. Had another subject on my mind at the time. Gee, I wonder which one.
July 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink