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Another National Poll Finds Prez Race Nearly Tied
It's starting to look like the presidential race is narrowing once more. The latest Rasmussen tracking poll now has a nearly-tied race at Obama 47%, McCain 46%, the latest national poll showing the race to be practically even.
Rasmussen also registered a dead-even tie yesterday of 46%-46%, after Barack Obama had previously held a steady five-point lead for several weeks.
This is on top of the Newsweek poll from last week, which showed Obama's lead shrinking from 15 points to a mere three. The Gallup poll also has Obama up by three points.
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I think we will see this right up to the end. When you have a country with it's major media outlets only questioning the actions and comments of one candidate, yet continually examing every nuance of the other (black) candidate, who would expect any different outcome?
July 14, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think we will see this right up to the end. When you have a country with it's major media outlets tone-deaf to questioning the actions and comments of one candidate, yet continually examining every nuance of the other (black) candidate, who would expect any different outcome?
Correction to above after I waking up before posting.
July 14, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, so much for the 2 a.m. bedtime.
July 14, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one is allowed to panic unless and until they go back and see the poll lines in every presidential election since 1960. Few who win maintain a lead over the course of the summer and early fall months. There is an eeriely similar pattern to most of them. Wide lead in the late spring, early summer. Jockeying back and forth in the summer. Then the eventual winner loses the lead for a period of weeks. Then they rebound at the end. It's bizarrely consistent. I saw a post on this at kos or at fivethirtyeight.com.
Everyone calm down.
July 14, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
While many will try to explain this away as statistical noise, and they may be right, I think there is cause for concern.
The major story out of the last month has been "Obama's opportunistic moves," so for low-information voters, that's what they know.
As they say, these are the dog days of summer and no one can win the election during these months, but you CAN lose it. McCain has done nothing to win it and for those paying attention has been a mess, but nothing has stuck. Obama's been tagged with the "opportunistic" label and it has made a major dent in his appeal.
No one has won or lost anything, but Obama's taken more hits. There's a very simple thing for him to do, which is go on the offense more often and not appear so defensive. He's on the right side of the issues.
Finally, here's hoping his upcoming trip is the big deal people expect it to be, and generates the right kind of coverage.
July 14, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see no reason for concern. After all it is the middle of July, and not October.
Look at it this way, if Obama appeared to be running away with this election, you all would be sitting on your hands and feeling over-confident. If you all think it's in the bag, you won't get out the vote come November.
The time to watch the polls comes in September, and the critical poll as the cliche goes is the one that happens on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
Gratuitous Olympic analogy: This is a marathon and marathons are not won by sprinters.
July 14, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Amelie, but even so it astounds me, absolutely baffles me, why Americans would even consider another round of Republican rule at this point.
July 14, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. I still say, with great disappointment, that race is the other elephant in the room.
July 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
didn't we say the same thing in 2004?
July 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. The only reason anyone could have for not voting for Obama is he calls himself a black man. If he called himself a white man, everybody would vote for him. It's racist voters keeping this thing even, pure and simple. I'm just disgusted that half the Democratic Party and half the electorate is so racist. Makes me ill.
July 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's statistical noise - Obama is about 5 points ahead, give or take 2 points. I don't think he'll ever lose that lead.
I will be nervous if and when I see a poll with McCain at or above 50%.
July 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
NC: These numbers are not to be taken lightly, in my humble opinion. Everyone I encounter has already made up their mind, and this is with the weakest Republican candidate I have seen in some time, yes, I even thought Dole was better. Media complacency regarding McCain, and Fox News cheerleading for him reflects these numbers. I don't see where those factors are going to change.
July 14, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am worried too. BO needs to stop being so defensive and nuanced about everything. for the last month JM has been setting the narrative, that has to change. BO needs to start throwing punches.
July 14, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe these polls anymore.
They don't include cell phone only households -- I don't know what that number would be, but if they did include cell phone only HHs in their mix, I bet Obama's lead would be much greater.
Anyone know how many HHs are cell phone only? My household is.
July 14, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am cell phone only as well, but I don't think that the number is great enough to really affect the polling. I think, with so many different polls showing a similar spread, that they are pretty close to what the current mood is. Baffling, I know, but there it is.
July 14, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
In 2004, about 7% of all voters were from cell phone only households. This year some estimate the number will be twice that. So it could make for a relatively massive shift in vote totals.
For the record, I'm from a cell phone only home.
July 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome! Let's keep fighting about FISA right up until McCain's inauguration!
July 14, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
sounds like a good idea to me.
maybe then he'd worry about protecting my civil liberties.
of course, he'd probably just think he needs to move even further to the right to get more republicans to vote for him... maybe he could vote for an anti-abortion bill or something! that'd broaden his base, wouldn't it?
July 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Large pop vote leads are nice, but between a flat-out tie in the pop vote and a 3-4 lead for Obama, he may not actually gain any electoral votes. Even at a one-point deficit, I think he likely gets 273-293 electoral votes, and that may be all he gets even if he wins by 3-4 points.
Considering that, these polls, which really are all moving within the MOE, are not too worrisome.
July 14, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The popular vote polls at this time are meaningless. The ones to watch are the state by state polls where BO is leading almost across the board and has many more states in play. Johnny has never led one single national poll in months. He can't dserem to even get above 45% in any poll. He doesn't even have his base locked down yet.
July 14, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just goes to show you, the only thing that can save McCain is the media constantly attacking Obama, while gushing about McCain's heroism, while the netroots take out their knives and tear Obama up for not doing and saying exactly what they want 100% of the time.
People, just being stupid, start taking this seriously.
July 14, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a link from Crooks and Liars. They too think media is the reason for these numbers, and the media is not going to get any better come fall, from my perspective.
Link:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/14/downplaying-the-differences-between-obama-mccain/#more-30958
July 14, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aye, Amelie, the Corporatists are smashing the Populists with the Claymore that is their Media. Their sole goal is to make the public believe the election is "close". Then they can steal it.
July 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait until both tickets are set, both conventions are over, and the debates have started before you start buying into poll results. If Obama is to win, it will be in a close election. Republicans have dominated Presidential elections since Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy.
We must be realistic and not buy into our own fairy tales.
Seven out of the last ten presidential elections were won by Republicans. The Democrats won three. One was the Carter victory against Gerald Ford, who had never been elected to anything bigger than a congressional seat. That did not last long, and Reagan won by huge margins. Of course the only other two Democratic victories were when Ross Perot had sunk his teeth in Bush's ankle and refused to let go. We are back to one on one again, so we are the underdogs.
July 14, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
When I see Obama's numbers start to slip in state polls (NH, PA, CO, NM, IA, VA, MI, MN, WI) I'll start to worry.
But I do think these numbers are a wake-up call for the liberal base who started to believe that an Obama win was a foregone conclusion and started to pile on to Obama with endless criticism and complaints. The right wing is doing everything they can to damage Obama. We shouldn't be helping them.
July 14, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
neither should obama.
July 16, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do NOT underestimate the stupidity of the American voter (generally)!
If McSame wins, God help us all!
July 14, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
while i tend to agree with a lot of the posters here arguing that obama needs to get out on offense more, quit letting mccain set the terms of debate, fight back more forcefully, etc., i want to remind everyone that all of those things were said about obama's campaign for all of 2007 until about a month before iowa. he soaked all of the criticism in, waited, waited, not yet, and when the time was right, he pounced. and the rest was history. it's true that the time period since the primaries ended haven't been the best for the democratic nominee, but let's remember that these guys know what they're doing. have patience, and have faith.
July 14, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Newsweek poll didn't really concern me because of huge shift in party ID between this one and the June poll - which also looked wacky. The Rasmussen shift over the last few days has concerned me because he weights for party ID and has had the Dems ahead by 9-10pts in that category. (I believe he currently has it at 41-31) In addition, while other polls - including Gallup's daily tracking - have shown some wacky shifts, Rasmussen's has had Obama ahead by a pretty steady average of 4-6 pts. That is, again, until the last few days. Obama dropped below 48 w/leaners for the first time since early June and McCain moved above 45 w/leaners for the first time since the Dem primary ended.
What I can't explain is, "why?" What happened in the week following the July 4th holiday that apparently has damaged Obama? McCain calls SS a disgrace and his top economic adviser calls Americans concerned about the economy a bunch of "whiners", and it works in his favor.
Of course, the American people would have had to have heard about those things in order to have an opinion about them. I can't believe how quickly Gramm's comments fell from the headlines...and I don't even think they picked up McCain's SS comments. And when his "kill Iranians with cigarettes" comment surfaced, the media treated that as just, "McCain being McCain", and sick jokes like that are - according the media - why people like him.
July 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
1) How can you put together two different types of polls and say--wow they confirm each other!
One is a tracking poll, the other one is not.
2) Rassmussen tracking out today reverts back to the mean.
3) Is it too much to ask that a post on polls be accompanied by analysis that actually takes an understanding of statistics and methodology into account? And that the headline in the main page of TPM doesn't highlight a completely erroneous reading of these polls?
July 14, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can you guys please learn to read polls?
Rasmussen shows a genuine tightening, but the "big shift" in Newsweek's poll had to do with their not weighting for party ID.
July 14, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the end the state by state polls are the ones who matters. All the polls of states in play show Obama winning or closing in. Only Missouri is showing good numbers for McCain (But a recent poll there gives Obama the edge). The national polls are just a snapshot of the current atmsophere, but they're not as relevant as the state polls.
Still is a reason for concern. But is it?
The media needs a tight race, because it sells papers and magazines, gets radio and TV big ratings and the websites and blogs get people to visit them. In the world of today perception is reality, even if it isn't true.
Curtis Mayfield defined it like this:
...but reality, what does it mean?
July 14, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
What about Intrade Markets posted right here at TPMEC ? Don't they mean anything at all ? After all, these people put their money where their mouth is.
July 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
People who play the market play the crowd. They're betting on what the voters will do, just like everyone else. It's not a poll. You think of intrade only if you think the people betting there are experts at predicting the outcome of elections.
July 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
*sigh*
Looks like the media were able to manufacture the horse race they wanted after all. A tight race means higher ratings. It just makes me sick. I hope all of these bogus Obama stories don't continue to hurt him.
July 14, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where have all the state polls gone, long time passing?
July 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Easy way to keep track of them is electoral-vote.com
July 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need to keep in mind what a different kind of election this one is. If Obama's going to win big, it'll become apparent only right before the end. Why? First, McCain has had a reputation for independence for a decade, and it's going to take some time and work to chip away at that. I'd argue this is happening beautifully. People see him as close to Bush and he's proven so inept on the trail, that folks will slowly realize he's not who they thought he was. And second, and probably most important, Obama is new on the scene and black. People like him (his approval ratings are great), but they're not convinced yet he's either ready or they're able to get over any issues with a black president. If he's going to win, it's all going to come together further down the road. Elections aren't won in July, but the groundwork for a victory can be seen as it takes shape. At the moment, I feel good about Obama's prospects.
July 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
JZ: And people will become informed how? Most are working hard to make ends meet, so their info will come from MSM, and MSM is working hard for McCain.
If you cannot control the message, you cannot win the race.
July 14, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like that FISA thing worked like a charm, eh, Barack? I think he made his first major error myself with that one. He could have stood on principle, and stated that the Constitution forced him to vote NO. It was going to pass anyway. This way, he pissed off his supporters, looked vague and weak, and didn't get any new support.
As far as MO goes, I work there, and live in IL. Here's my analysis:
1) The current crop of Repukeliscum in MO have really done a horrible job, and the Repukeliscum brand is way down.
2) The governor will almost certainly be a Democrat, who is very popular, and has a great track record.
3) In 2004, the SoS was a Repukeliscum. Now, the SoS is a Democrat.
4) Claire McCaskill won pretty clearly state-wide in 2006. She is backing Barack.
5) The Repukeliscum tried but did not pass a Voter ID law.
6) The blue collar Republican voters are REALLY PISSED at a plan that the current Gov passed which destroyed the Medicaid health care for the poor. It's a total disaster, and has not been replaced.
I feel that Barack has an excellent chance in MO.
July 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
First off it's going to be a VERY long election season if we have to watch the movement in the daily tracking polls. Did we learn nothing in the primaries??
Second, VERY few Americans are even paying attention at this point. After the convention, these polls will start to mean more but even at that it's not the end all be all of data. State polling matters much more.
Finally, use any concern you have to get out and do something!! Download the canvassing information at the BO site for your neighborhood. Plan a fundraiser. Think about giving a week of your vacation to the campaign. Never underestimate your opponent. Work for the change you want to see. Don't just write about it.
July 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
These head-to-head polls are not what wins the prize as former VP Gore unfortunately found out. It's the electoral vote count that matters. And Obama is doing quite well! See www.electoral-vot.com, for example.
July 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aargh! Should be www.electoral-vote.com. Darn typo.
July 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly, for Obama to win, he must move further to the mushy middle to avoid offending anyone. A major speech castigating progressives and liberals for their un-American beliefs should help; or perhaps a promise to bomb Iran. At minimum, he must replicate Gore's and Kerry's approaches to a tee. Triangulate, Barack, triangulate! And for chrissakes, pander, don't lead!
July 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
How are things at Nader HQs?
July 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't get excited about tracking polls.
It is really about state polls and right now Obama is doing well in states.
July 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go; presumed liberals and Democrats going into panic mode in JULY for an early November election based on a national poll.
I witnessed the exact same thing last year in the primary polls between Hillary and Obama. Yet again, I am forced to weed through the hysterical posts from the Chicken Little (the sky is falling, the sky is falling) contingent and those pretending to be part of that contingent.
Hillary found out that Obama really did understand the primary--whether that primary was an election or a caucus in the state--and planned his campaign accordingly. There's no reason to suppose that Obama has suddenly decided to run his general election campaign as if the popular vote matters more than electoral college votes.
July 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the state polls that matter folks. Check out the Michigan poll. Obama is once again ahead there.
July 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Concern is probably much better than being overconfident. There is solace in knowing we political junkies seek out every word written or spoken while others have barely heard more than sound bites. We also know Obama is fighting on many more fronts.
Ripper & raider99 are trying to find ways we might help. Thank them so much for all the research they are involved in.
It is ours to lose, we have every reason to hope, but huge hurdles to overcome.If you are as outraged as you should be, since 2000 for me, we have to fight all the way, losing is not an option.
July 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't panic.
Amuse yourselves with this, from here. Wordcloud of tags from the McCain website's blog. Notice anything funny? Like, um, the relative prominence of the terms "Obama" and "McCain"?
You'd think they would talk about their candidate occasionally, wouldn't you? Polls schmolls.
July 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink