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Another GOP Oil Myth! No Wildlife In Wildlife Refuge

Yet another GOP oil-drilling myth?

You already know about the China-Cuba nonsense. And a couple days ago we brought you Rep. Michele Bachmann's (R-MN) amazing claim that increased drilling would lower gas prices all the way down to two bucks a gallon. Now Bachmann has also come up with a great new tall tale:

Visiting ANWR also revealed that almost no wildlife exists in the 2,000-acre area. It was flat arctic tundra with absolutely no trees in view. And, caribou and wildlife were nowhere near the possible drilling sites.

That's right: Bachmann would have us believe there are large expanses of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge that don't actually have wildlife.

Even John Boehner, who led the Republican delegation's trip to ANWR, argued just the opposite in his own National Review essay, saying that drilling and wildlife can peacefully co-exist, "including in the 10-02 Area."

Late Update: It seems Boehner used to argue that there was no wildlife there, too, but has evolved in his arguments over the last week or so. Apparently Bachmann didn't get the most recent memos.


Comments (36)

Maybe they were hiding.

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Like I would expect anything less that the absurd, but my goodness. This is another example of the republican mindset encapsulated in breathtaking stupidity.

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I hope all those in the 6th that voted for this nutter are paying attention.

Has anyone else noticed that Bachman's got that same kind of crazy eyes thing going that Kathleen Harris had?

This is what concerns me about the Franken campaign. There are places in Minnesota where a majority thought it was a good idea to elect THIS woman! Seems like an uphill battle to show those folks what an idiot Coleman is. (Might get some traction with, say, an ad attacking Franken's previous comedy material -- complete with a fake background of a bowling alley.)

I'm not slamming Minnesotans. But are there sufficient numbers of enlightened people elsewhere in the state?

-- ARG

Yes. The blue areas are primarily Minneapolis, St. Paul and the Iron Range. However, the rest of the state is quite purple this year, I believe.

I was in Bemidji on the weekend of the 4th. Very enthusiatic response to Al Franken in the parade. Coleman wasn't in the parade, so hard to say how they'd judge him. However, the rest of the Democratic floats got great applause as well. The Republicans? Luke warm at best. This in a red to purple area of the state.

Al's got an uphill battle, but the conditions are right here.

Don't believe the polls.

But that was Bemidji, a rural area. Democrats hold the three rural US House seats as well as the two urban seats, but the Republican have the three suburban seats. One suburban seat is a toss-up, but the other two, the outer suburbs, lean Republican. One is more Republican than the other. Guess which one is Bachmann's. The good news is only the Republican seats are thought competitive this year, and we have a weak shot at a sweep.

Yeah, those damn 'burbs. grumble, grumble. they're pretty solid red most years, let's hope that changes this year!

"...are there sufficient numbers of enlightened people elsewhere in the state?"
I think you've finally stumbled on to the winning slogan for your candidate.

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Unfortunately this nutter is my representative and giving the strange boundaries of the 6th there are plenty of others in the district just like her and she will most likely be re-elected. She is like Will Ferrell in Anchorman - whatever is in the whitehouse memo she will read, word for word, no matter what.

Tell me Michelle Bachman why did you vote against the Use It or Lose It Oil Bill recently proposed?

You know the bill that told oil companies they had to pump for oil on the lands the ALREADT HAVE BEFORE they can ask for more land, like ANWR?

Here's the votes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ty0XWYBJw

Thanks for helping kill the bill, Bachman.

Now STFU. It's clear you and the Republican'ts don't want a real solution to this crisis.

Shut. The. F-Bomb. Up. You dirty, dispicable liar!

Ooopsy. That was an Al Franken link.

Here's the Oil Bill Bachman voted AGAINST, with the votes:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6515

(too much copying and pasting today).

More info on the "Use It or Lose It" Oil bill, Bachman helped shutdown:

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/08/07/20080710.html

Apparently, if it's not a wildlife refuge Bachman isn't interested.

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A month ago she was saying that oil production in ANWAR would be beneficial for wildlife, even saying oil pipelines would also "become a meeting ground and 'coffee klatch' for caribou"

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/20/bachmann-caribou-coffee/

I think she is oxygen deprived from hugging W too much (Minnesota insider humor).

Which is it Ms. B?

She may have missed the fact that I learned while serving in the US Army Infantry in Alaska that the wildlife tends to fleee from the sound of your aproaching helicopter. You must be quiet and still if you wish to see the animals. Hunters have noticed this as well. Perhaps she should listen to Elmer Fudd's admonition to be, "Very, very quiet."

Or vewy, vewy quiet.

Thanks for the rec but ther is no edit so I am stuck with my original comment.

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Uh, 2,000 acres in ANWR?

More like 19 million. But then again, what's a few zeros to a politician with the analytical rigor of Michelle?

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2000 acres is the actual acreage interrupted by exploration/drilling. That is 2000 out of 19 million. And although I think Bachmann is a psycho right wing weirdo even amongst Republicans, she's making a valid point, albeit badly. I think the gravel pads used for the drill rigs take up about 5 acres and the ice roads make up the rest of the interruption.

I think the point she was trying to make was the lack of density when it comes to plant & animal life in ANWR. ANWR is being held up as being as vital to species growth as any rain forest without mention of the stark differences in biological density.

It simply isn't the same kind of landscape.

The kind of life in ANWR is sparse and persistent, namely lemmings, rabbits, arctic fox and the like. It's not as fragile as some would have everyone believe. In some places in the world, wildlife is more persistent than human traffic, ANWR is one of these places.

The TransAlaska pipeline runs across the same kind of area and has not been shown to interrupt any migration or inhibit wildlife.

Of any place on earth where oil and wildlife can coexist - ANWR is it. Because most of the ground is frozen most of the time, human impact is greatly reduced. Much of the development is done via ice roads and the drilling is done via directional technology, i.e. laparoscopy vs. open surgery.

I happen to think offshore drilling in our nation's coastal areas is far more detrimental and difficult to mitigate than ANWR.

No one seems to be decrying the oil sands of Alberta, Canada which are totally strip mining areas of wilderness larger than most east coast states. Most of the U.S. is closer to this oil project than they are to ANWR - if they're worried about water/air quality. Oil & Gas extraction is far cleaner and safer than mining for coal - yet over 1/2 the U.S. still relies on coal for their electricity. I say lets choose our battles, we can't win em all.

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i think there are plenty of folks decrying the alberta tar sands. they just happen to be canadians.

much of what you say is true as far as it goes but the crux of the matter is that national wildlife refuges ought to be professionally and scientifically managed by the fish and wildlife service under the guiding principle that activities and land uses within the refuges should be compatible with wildlife conservation. the fish and wildlife service is not likely to find that oil exploration in anwr would be compatible. junking the federal agency's professional scientific judgment and replacing it with the legislative or executive branch's political judgment (or the financial judgments of multi-national corporations) under the guise of replacing it with the judgment of the bureau of land management (an agency whose mission essentially is and always has been to give away federal land to private mining and oil companies) would be an assault on science, civil service, and the very purpose of establishing wildlife refuges in the first place.

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One suburban seat is a toss-up, but the other two, the outer suburbs, lean Republican.

The problem with the other outer two that you mention is the way that they've been gerrymandered. If you look at the one I live in, the 3rd, it's basically a crescent shaped district that encompasses the more well-off burbs. Even though both my local district's state house and senate reps are Dems, there's no way to overcome all the other burb cities voting Repub for the US seats.

BTW, to those who asked about us Minnesotans having enough "enlightened" voters -- I would ask if they want to be held accountable for all their elected reps.

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Crap, this was meant as a reply to ericf's post above.

Now I said specifically that I wasn't trying to slam anybody!

And, no, I certainly can't vouch for all the Representatives we've elected from Illinois (although we currently have two good Senators, and I don't think any of our House members are complete nut-jobs -- we traditionally elect our nut-jobs to be Governor and/or the Mayor of Chicago).

-- ARG

I, too, live in a gerrymandered crescent district of rich suburbs and wealthy unincorporated areas that are considered safe Republican. Mine is south and west of Denver. Tom Tancredo's district.

Something very catherine-harris-esque about her.

"It's almost like you have a kitchen full of little children that are hungry and want to eat," said the Minnesota Republican, a mother of five and past foster mother of 23. "The pantry has a lock on the door, but the pantry is filled with food."

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/house/25764074.html

How is the number of children relevant?

To illustrate what a mother she is.

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Many arctic animals are migratory, meaning sometimes they're there and sometimes they're not. I've been to the coastal plain of the Arctic Refuge and been surrounded by 20,000 caribou and I've been there when I was lucky to see 3. The core calving ground changes from year to year. By the end of July, most of the caribou have already begun moving back. Also, productivity in the arctic is really low so it takes a lot of area to support a single animal like a bear, for example. It's not like they're tripping over themselves, but they are there. Smaller animals like arctic foxes and wolves are hard to see when zipping by in a helicopter. The coastal plain is also a primary breeding area for many species of migratory birds. They might only be there a couple months of the year, but that doesn't diminish the importance of the area to their survival. One other important thing to know. Around Prudhoe Bay, it's about 100 miles between the Arctic Ocean and the Brooks Range. Pipelines go up, roads get built, and caribou get displaced, but are able to find suitable habitat elsewhere. The coastal plain of the Arctic Refuge is a narrow strip between the Arctic Ocean and the Brooks Range, sometimes only about 20 miles wide. No room for displacement there. You can't compare the Arctic Refuge with Prudhoe Bay. Any other questions Ms. Bachmann?

Of course, Bachman also thinks "workingest" is a word and thinks the fact that people have to hold two jobs to supports themselves is A-OK!

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Bachman's opponent, El Tinklenberg, could well defeat her this year. In 2006 the Independence Party had a candidate on the ballot who got about 8% of the vote. This year the Independence party has cross endorsed Tinklenberg, and will be pushing their members to vote for the DFL'er. In fact in 06 Wetterling, the DFL'er got about 42% of the vote -- so this cross endorsement just might be the margin.

The Minnesota Independence Party is the old party of Jesse Ventura, and he has also endorsed Tinklenberg, who served in Ventura's administration as the Commissioner of Transportation. Ventura's greatest support was in this district, so it could be key to defeating Bachman.

Tinklenberg has other assets -- he is an ordained Lutheran Pastor, and for years has worked as a supply Pastor -- a temporary replacement for a pastor. The East End of the 6th is strongly Swedish Lutheran, and Tinklenberg at one time or another has preached in many of the towns in the area. While this population normally favors Republicans, they are NOT the mega church crowd with whom Bachman tends to run.

In the last two years the district has seen a rise in Union Activism. Three years ago they were voting against Union representation by 10-20 points, but in the last year several elections have been held again, and the Union is winning by 20 points. Service Workers International is demanding that anyone who wants endorsement has to work a day in the workplaces they represent, and Tinklenberg has been doing Candy Striper work in various Hospitals and Nursing Homes in the district -- earning endorsement, and supporting organization. I am told by organizers that many of these members have been voting solidly Republican in the past -- but now they have got the word, and won't be doing that any more.

Tinklenberg was Commissioner of Transport when the new North Star Commuter Line which runs through the heart of the district, was first planned and funded. It opens this fall, and is much anticipated by this Exurban Area, where 60-70 mile commutes into the cities are not unusual. Bachman opposes all public finance for both light and heavy rail. (she also is against Public Education), and I suspect the reality of a train ride into Mpls, with an easy transfer to light rail will attract many voters to the guy who first planned it, and got it through the Legislature. An extension to St. Cloud is planned, and Tinklenberg can be expected to talk that up in the campaign. The difference would be a congresscritter who would work to deliver, and one who does not believe in public funding of alternative transport. St. Cloud is the western anchor of the 6th District.

Consider this. Two years ago, the election was close. There was a third party candidate who took independent votes away from the Democrat, and Bachmann got just a hair over 50%. And, the Democrat didn't run a very good campaign. She did poorly in the debates from what I heard.

Now, the voters in the 6th have had a couple of years to observe their loony rep in action. They've seen her laying lip-locks on the prez. They've heard her delusional rants. They know her much better now than they did before.

On top of that, the Democratic candidate this year is a lot stronger, has held office and been in public service for many years, was the mayor of the largest city in the district, and can clean Bachmann's clock in a debate (which she is avoiding right now).

Want more? He's a former Methodist minister and he was not only endorsed by the Democrats but by the Independence Party, as well. Piss and moan and wring your hands all you like, but I think the nutcase is going to get her ass kicked.

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i think she was maybe expecting municipal zoo densities of 'wildlife'.

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I just got back from AK. In Denali Park, another wildlife refuge where the climate is a bit more temperate (relatively), the animals don't come out and greet you with tea and toast. They need lots of miles to roam and don't ever interact with humans because all are surrounded by metal in buses to protect them from us.

Once humans put their boots to the ground the animals will be contaminated by human contact and will never be the same again. Their eating patterns will be interrupted and their grazing territories will be changed forever. This is a tragedy for them and for us.

I'm in favor of doing a total paradigm shift and switching to renewable energy ASAP. We don't need to burn oil into the future or even corn oil that is driving up the price of food.

This is the time for big thinking and using our fertile minds to go off in another direction for the 21st century. The oil companies can use their profits to join in the down of this new century. Spare us from the Washington lobby who tries to keep us on the same track so they can protect their profits.

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Didn't ya pass the massive coal mine on your way to Denali?

How could you have missed it?

No one is proposing suburban sprawl to fill the Arctic desert. Directional exploration and drilling will take up less room than an airport in an area larger than some U.S. States.

BTW those metal buses run on diesel - diesel derived from oil drilled locally in Alaska. Maybe states that don't have petroleum resources should seek alternatives, and let the states that do use them.

Maybe oil companies should be satisfied with the land they already have and drill that first, before they go destroying America's true natural resource- it's natural beauty.

Oh, wait Republicans shot down the Use It or Lose It Oil Bill in the House. Guess they don't care about gas prices and their effect on real, working people after all (not that they ever did).

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