Senators Failed To Reach Endorsement Decision; Privately Discussed Joint Ticket
As I noted below, a bunch of uncommitted Senators met yesterday to discuss how or whether to go public with an endorsement, but Obama advisers don't expect a group of them to endorse today.
Now there's more confirmation of this. The Rocky Mountain News talked to Senator Ken Salazar about what went down at the meeting; the Senators reached no endorsement agreement, and furthermore...
"I could make the argument for either one of them," Salazar said about Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. "Many people can make the argument that maybe the best thing would be for both of them to be on the same ticket."Salazar said the possibility of a joint ticket was discussed at today's meeting. "There was some of that discussion, but there's no conclusion," he said.
Marc Ambinder says Salazar is trying to broker a joint endorsement for Obama. It seems clear to me that the dynamic just hasn't changed for many prominent super-delegates, even at this late date -- there's no real incentive to endorse either one, given that it risks alienating some of their constituents, and they want to give Hillary a chance to leave the race gracefully.
If Hillary stays in after Obama gets the magic number, of course, that will no longer apply, to put it mildly. The thing to watch for is whether there will be public super-del pressure on Obama to offer Hillary the Veep slot.















Spineless. Truly and thoroughly spineless.
June 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here, here ...spineless!
June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. Joint. Ticket.
June 3, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's inept, bumbling meetings like this that make me sad to be a Democrat. Grow a pair.
June 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jay beat me to it, but yeah, spineless as a jellyfish. Octopus even. Hmm, sea sponges have more backbone. I don't even think they have a recessive gene in their entire DNA that would possibly lead to vertebrae for future generations of their offspring. Pathetic creatures, these last holdouts.
June 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I've never belonged to an organized political party; I'm a democrat."
Will Rogers
June 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are these people in a choir or something? WTF? Can't they make up their minds on their own..not everyone has to endorse one person or at one time.
June 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
And am I new to the process or isn't the nominee supposed to have an opportunity to form his or her own judgment on who a suitable running mate might be? If that is, indeed, tradition, then I guess we need to have a nominee, which leads us back to the choice between expelling waste or allowing others to use the facilities. Maybe we should make it a point to expel all the waste that couldn't make a decision at the next available opportunity...
June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
June 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pathetic.
June 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remind me why we have superdelegates? Apparently it was just so bigwigs could have a guaranteed junket to the convention without having to bother with getting elected as a delegate.
June 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it had something to do with those damn dirty hippies back in the sixties.
June 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the Washington politics that I hope Barack can begin to change. They aren't make decisions like folks charged with governing. They're making decisions like candidates.
That's why we're in the mess we're in.
June 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the problem with letting super-delegates vote independently. They get to act out of political self-interest by choosing the time of their vote, unlike every other player in the system...
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heads will explode when she is the VP.
June 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
ahh, the sweet smell of victory! Gotalife is pushin for Hillary as VP.
The times, they are a-changin.
June 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will never be VP. She's got a plan for 2012.
June 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank goodness we don't have to worry about that, then.
June 3, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN has just posted this banner on its web page: AP: Officials say Hillary Clinton will acknowledge tonight that Barack Obama has the delegates for the Democratic
June 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but he doesn't have them. These senators aren't helping. Spineless muggles. I fear Obama will not have the ~40 delegates he needs by the end of business tonight.
June 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have never seen the loser in a race get this much out of it.
Goddamn
Just when I'm feeling that hope that Obama brings to people again.
June 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's been given SEVERAL opportunities to leave gracefully, why do they think she will do so now?
June 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton set to concede delegate race to Obama...
June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is bullshit. There are just as many supers who know that Clinton as VP hurts the Dems chances.
My God, no wonder the Repubs look down on us. Clinton needs to support Obama regardless. He shouldn't have to give in to her for that support. It should be a given.
June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sick of these idiots talking about putting her in the VP spot. You'd think for people in politics they would realize what a f-ing disaster that would be, for about a thousand and ten different reasons.
I can't wait until I don't have to hear idiots raise the prospect of the nightmare ticket anymore.
June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, there's ALREADY been public superdelegate pressure for an Obama-Clinton unity ticket.
June 3, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
People wonder why the Democrats are a running joke in public opinion, well here's the reason for that. The Supers are gutless cowards. All those years of triangulation under Bill Clinton rubbed off I guess.
June 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, I hope obama announces his vp tomorrow so we can stop hearing this nonsense about a joint freaking ticket. Are this people that stupid? People are tired of the clintons baggage and nonsense. They don't want them anywhere near the whitehouse. Pathetic.
June 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
People are tired of the clintons baggage and nonsense. They don't want them anywhere near the whitehouse.
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17,364,667 voted for Hillary. I suppose "they" did it because they were tired of the Clinton's baggage and didn't want them anywhere near the white house.
June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And 18,476,193 voted against her. What's your point?
BTW, she has received only 49.23% of the total combined votes cast (HRC, BHO, others, uncommitted/no pref).
Not that "popular" votes count...ask Al Gore!
June 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What morons. The superdelegates' job is to vote for a nominee. The nominee's job is to select a VP. What's so hard to understand about that?
June 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about you vote how you're state voted? or your constituents? I just do not understand how anyone can NOT have their mind made up at this point.
SERIOUSLY.
Obama's all but officially the nominee, how hard is this? He's heading the DNC fundraising.
FYI. I am not saying they should all break for Obama, though I'd love that.
Oh, and no Clinton for VP. No joint ticket. We need one President, not two.
June 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think -- I hope --- Bill put the last bullet in any unity ticket chances with his little tirade to Mayflower Hill yesterday.
June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terry is on CNN saying the AP is bs.
June 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terry McAuliffe was just on TV pushing back against the AP story by saying she will absolutely NOT concede tonight and that is not what she will talk about in her speech and how many popular votes she has won. He says Obama does not have the numbers and will not have them tonight.
June 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another flip-flop from Terry. These Clinton people are not to be trusted at all.
June 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she's not going to have any employees left so I don't understand what her campaign will consist of after tonight.
Don't get your underwear in a bind. I'm not too worried about her continuing on in any real since after this work.
MHO.
June 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"work" should be "week". WTF? I'm losing it...
June 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another Congressman Endorses Obama:
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/congressman_olver_endorses_oba.html
June 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't know if it has been counted officially, but I just read in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch that State Rep. Maria Chappelle-Nadal is set to endorse Obama today.
June 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have got to admit Hillary's supporters are committed and numerous. Obama has to treat them with kid gloves. The senators need to get along with both candidates and their supporters.
What troubles me is that Obama seems to have taken the last few primaries off. He should have sprinted to the finish line. Instead he lost focus and ignored Hillary. Hillary's downward skid began when she started acting like the presumptive nominee. The last few weeks Obama has suffered from the same attitude. The lesson Obama should draw from this is never stop fighting until the fight is officially over.
I think his campaign organization needs to do a little retooling.
June 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
His prediction memo from months ago had the primaries ending just as they are.
June 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the losses, it is the size of the losses. Every time he loses big he looks weaker. If South Dakota jumps up and bits him in the butt he will look weaker still.
June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only two departures -- they had him losing Maine but he won, and winning Indiana but he lost (barely). Otherwise it's uncanny!!
My theory on Obama staying out of the last contests, from WV on: the less he was around and directly confronting Clinton, the less 'amunition' she would have for direct attacks on him, giving a chance for hard feelings of supporters to die down(or at least not be further riled up) AND letting him 'introduce' himself to those voters without her standing over his shoulder making faces and "re-interpreting" his every word. They's made a big point to compete in *every* contest until those last ones and I think there has to be a reason for the change. By staying away and focusing on McCain, the nastiness and conflict between him and Clinton would be minimized.
June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. He's shifted to General Election mode and it looks better for him to be going back and fourth with the Republican nominee directly than still fighting it out with Clinton when the process has effectively been decided since Wisconsin.
June 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is actually sop in primary elections. Once you have it locked up you don't want to take the hit that you strongly fought for a state and lost. Also, in this situation you don't want to keep attacking the clintons because you don't want to further piss off her constituancy. It's just sop.
June 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeh, I understand the logic, but Obama has to convince a bunch of super delegates that he is going to win in the fall. Losing 68 to 32 doesn't really help. He should be able to pull 40% just about any where.
June 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
He could just show them the money. Clinton doesn't have any to show. She's a deadbeat.
June 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, because the Puerto Rico vote is an important swing vote in the general election.
June 3, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have got to admit Hillary's supporters are committed and numerous. Obama has to treat them with kid gloves. The senators need to get along with both candidates and their supporters.
Precisely why these Senators--who are supposed to be leaders in the party and the country, though granted you'd never know it from the past eight years--ought to be getting off the damn stick and doing something. Do like Edwards, stroke Hillary's damn ego, say how you look forward to working with her and how her fierce determination to make this a better country will be an asset to President Obama in the Senate, talk about her great future in this nation (hint hint.... would a seat on the Court satisfy your insatiable sense of entitlement?) and ENDORSE THE FUCKING NOMINEE OF THE PARTY!!!
Enough already.
June 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are underestimating the difficulty of having to fight a 2 front war. Who would you engage if you were virtually assured of the numbers for nomination, Hillary or McSame?
June 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, Salazar's my senator, and I really, really wish that he would just get off his effin' ass and endorse already.
But to play devil's advocate for a moment, he's a first-term Senator, no seniority or power. The notion that Clinton could be made Senate leader has been floated. She's not known for forgiveness. There is a real possibility that he could suffer down the road for endorsing early, which means his constituents suffer, too. That has to be part of the calculation.
And yes, this is exactly the kind of thing that needs to change in Washington.
June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jim Webb and Claire McCaskill are first term Senators. They're also not gutless like our boy Ken. This would be less infuriating if it weren't so damn typical of his namby-pamby quest for "consensus". Sometimes you've got to actually lead to get people to go along with you.
That man has been an unbelievable disappointment.
June 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even though both have been floated as possible Obama VPs, I didn't think Webb had endorsed him.
Did I just miss that?
June 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are the people who would be voting for her if she ran for Senate leader. Them plus the Democratic senators who've already endorsed Obama are a majority of the Democratic caucus. And if anyone thought there was even a chance she would punish Democrats who supported Obama as SML, she'd never get the office.
June 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both you guys are right, of course. Okay, enough with giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Salazar, move your bloomin' arse and endorse already!
June 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't it be great if, at the big rally tonight (in the very place where the GOP convention will be held), Obama appeared with his VP choice?
That would certainly bring the primary season to a close.
June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's end this super-delegate bullshit this year once and for all. We've got to change this.
Let's have 2008 be the last year of the super-delegate. One DNC rule I'd like to see changed.
June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the love of God, Superdelegates, put an end to this drama. Once again, we look like a bunch of inept, disorganized losers.
June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is actually sop in primary elections. Once you have it locked up you don't want to take the hit that you strongly fought for a state and lost. Also, in this situation you don't want to keep attacking the clintons because you don't want to further piss off her constituancy. It's just sop.
June 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
how worthless are these remaining superdelegates?
in short: if you're an undeclared superdelegate that doesn't have to be, you're part of the greater Democratic Party problem. you're effectively a Republican enabler. grow a pair.
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very unimpressive.
June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, well they are senators, my friends. They have to work with her.
It bears thinking about.
June 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Work with her. But for how long? She's got her work cut out for her in NY, I think.
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
They have to work with her
Why not say that SHE'S got to work with them? Why would someone like Tom Harkin fear a junior senator like Hillary? It's completely absurd.
You can lead a Democrat to water, but you can't make him agree with anyone that it's water, whether it's safe to drink, or who led him to it.
June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now Ickes and Wolfson are on TV denying this story.
June 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
They suggest a unity ticket because it keeps them from having to make a choice. As pointed out upthread, they're spineless. It's nothing more complicated than that. Once Obama hits the number necessary, they can safely stop vacillating.
June 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Super-delegates your days are numbered. I hope you enjoyed your status this year. It's gonna be your last.....
I'm writing the DNC after this election is wrapped up. I suggest we all do the same.
June 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am baffled by this Salazar/
Adam Nagourney's NYT "print" piece today is at
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/us/politics/03campaign.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=print
He said that Sens. Salazar, Harkin, Carper and Cardin were planning to meet to agree on their endorsement. He claimed those four are included in the eight members of Congress who would endorse Barack tonight after voting is over in SD and MT.
But Nagourney dropped all references to those four Senators in an online version of the same post datelined tomorrow, June 4:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/politics/03cnd-elect.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Meanwhile, Chuck Todd said this morning on MSNBC "Morning Joe" show that eighteen (18) superdelegates were prepared to endorse Barack today, i.e., in the next twelve hours. So, WTF?
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
From a Clinton supporter:
Congrats to all the Obama supporters. You've all been so magnaminous in victory.
But seriously, Clinton still has the support of a big chunk of the democratic party. How do you expect to rally any of them to your cause by treating them like slime?
June 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would recommend not generalizing. All Obama supporters do not hate Clinton supporters or vice versa.
My self, a current Obama supporter, actually voted for her on Feb. 5th.
I'd also recommend voting for the party or platform of your choice, if not your candidate.
June 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering that we've had little to do with the disunity, I say that question is best answered by you and other Clinton supporters or "supporters".
June 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you defend Ickes's behavior since Friday?
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, my response would be that those 17,000,000+ people aren't reading this blog. And it goes both ways-there are just as many anti-Obama comments out there on the Intertubes as there are anti-Clinton. And if someone seriously considers voting for McCain because someone on some blog said something mean and icky about Clinton, well, the mind boggles.
June 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And why is it you are so convinced it goes just one way?
Go to the pro-Hillary sites (or just read to her supporters here) and you will regularly see Obama supporters derided as mysogynists and sexists, as deluded children, as cultists, as robots, as reverse racists, and, yes, as scum.
Then, having vented their spleens at the depth of our depravity, our naivete and our general unfitness to exist as human beings, they'll launch into a long tirade about how rude and mean to Hillary supporters they are.
If is incumbent upon us to offer you a hand of reconciliation, if incumbent upon your side not to spit in our faces when we try.
June 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The gutless wonders in the Senate.
No wonder nothing has changed in Iraq.
These are our "leaders."
June 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought this was to be the Obama's big super-delegate roll-out day. It's now after 11:30 EST and nothing is happening. Today Obama has garnered 1 delegate -- count em -- and the Senate undecideds have resolved in solemn assembly to sit on their hands till god knows when. Looks like this will not be Obama's big night after all -- especially if, as seems increasingly likely, Hillary wins South Dakota and comes close in Montana. The MSM are going to have a field day with those results as Obama addresses a huge crowd about how victory is just around the next corner, or two, or three. Of course, there will be a parcel of endorsements after the polls close, but they probably won't be enough to get Obama over the top. Wednesday morning everyone is going to find themselves scratching their heads. Naturally Hillary will make the most of it, the undeclared supers will continue to invite one another to go first (after you; no after you; no, please, after you), and then we'll find pushing into Thursday trying to coax ten or so miserable delegates out of their holes. What a triumph!
June 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I absolutely agree. If Montana turns out to be a squeaker and South Dakota actually goes for Hillary, things could get very ugly. If Obama can't declare victory tonight, Hillary will be like a shark smelling blood.
Lanny Davis, Terry McAuliffe, Howard Wolfson, et al, will be on the cable shows tonight and on the network shows tomorrow morning: "Why can't he put it away? Hillary has the momentum. He can't connect with working class Americans. Reverend Wright, not a fighter, not the strongest candidate" blah, blah, blah.
These super delegates are doing a disservice to everyone.
June 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
In other news, Salazar would like to know if he's still got time to put some money on the Giants, who he thinks may cover the spread against the Patriots.
June 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
This should be the video of Chuck Todd's report this morning on MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24948002#24948002
I can't square Todd's sources telling him 18 superdels will endorse Barack today with what we see NOT happening. How many Senators are left who have NOT endorsed?
June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing gives me more glee than these premature Obama pre-nnouncements that fade away liek dust in the wind. This is how an expert campaign is run? You mean you didn't learn from having John Lewis twisting in the wind after you declared his endorsement before he was ready to? You didn't learn from the 50 super del bloc that were going to flock to obama after Super Tuesday? The NC congressional delegation mass endorsement? The Obama campaign is tsill trying to pull this crap - really?
I know that they have a great PR campaign BUT someone might want to tell them that people aren't going to automatically endorse Obama just because you've planted public speculation that it will happen and when it will happen before it actually happens. It's all an attempt to make voters in SD & MT run up the vote for Obama because they think all is lost. It's pretty damn pathetic and transparent too. It's going to embarrassing tonight if it's not a blowout.
June 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Er, did you ever think it was sources other than the Obama campaign? You point out that it makes them look foolish, so why would they keep doing it? More likely it's "other people" who are leaking this info so as to embarrass the campaign when it doesn't happen.
June 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
DaveJ you were responding to dijamo, and it's possible that some of the "public speculation" was not "planted" by Barack's campaign, but by mischief-makers in Hillary's camp or even in the GOP.
But Chuck Todd claimed last night and this morning that he spoke directly to dozens of superdels and they told him personally that at least 18 of them were going to endorse between this morning and tonight. And it's not happening.
Maybe they are waiting for afternoon exit polls from SD and/or MT? If there is a surprise surge to Barack in SD, perhaps the superdels will move then?
June 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the last desperate gulps of air before the ship finally goes under.
A thing of beauty.
June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
/yawn
June 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, Ken Salazar is annoying. The man couldn't decide what to order at a hotdog cart unless three people ordered the same thing first, and one of them was a Republican.
What the hell are these people doing? It's over. Get on board. Worried about Hillary's feelings, get out and stay neutral, let the grown ups get on with it. Biden? Harkin? Webb? Get the hell on with it.
June 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a bunch of friggin LEMMINGS! "I'll only do what everyone else decides to do."
I'm really starting to worry about the General Election, folks. This is just plain pathetic.
June 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess poll-driven politics is alive and well. Perhaps some of these Senators will feel free to endorse in Nov. after Obama wins the General, or they may keep their powder dry until 2009 or 2010 when they can see what his approval rating is. Gutless wonders who will stand up for nothing. On a happier note, it appears the House is falling in line (thank you Nancy). As an aside, I'm flashing back to "Sunset Blvd." and a turbaned Hillary watching old movies of the Clinton White House years alone in a darkened room, saying "I'm ready for my close-up, America!"
June 3, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I'll give Salazar a call today. I have never counted on him for much in CO.
I can't believe what is happening today. The party is clearly divided but Hillary on the ticket ends the question for me. I can't vote for the Clintons.. I won't vote for McCain either. This is why I have had sympathy for the Clinton supporters who said they couldn't vote for Senator Obama... I think we have to vote our hearts and our conscience. I can't lift a finger to give the Clintons any power... For me it would feel like a vote for George Bush. McCain too... so I would be left without a ticket to support unless someone else decides to run. The republicans will have fun running against the Clintons though... If this is a forced ticket... , ... right now I want to go to sleep and wake up to find this was all a dream.
June 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much drama.....2 last contests....tapes about to be released.....trial about to be settled.....oh so much heat......Senators waffling......money flowing this kitchen is so hot......the bus running over everyone. This is great. The convention is coming soon. This is just beginning. Are we having fun yet.
June 3, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone of those superdelagates thought about the governing power of the Obama/Clinton ticket? it would be Chaotic...Just look at the other tops news story for today...bill Clinton accusing Obama as getting reporters to write negative news stories...As if there was not enough negative news surrounding the Clintons as it is. How can someone govern with those two in the background...Trying to obtain power ... I can only hope that if these big wigs succeed Speaker Pelosi can halt all of their selfish ambitions
June 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Heads will explode when she is the VP."
Posted by gotalife
With the Clinton history, it will be Obama's, a la Kennedy.
June 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope this primary campaign isn't setting a precedent for campaigns to come. Seriously, we need some re-working of the rules.
June 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm revolted at this unending display of cowardice on the part of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates. Their reticence has nothing to do indecision. Their delays and this constant Dream/Nightmare Ticket refrain is simply proof that they're afraid of the Clintons. They want to promote Hillary as the VP choice simply for their own political cover. What a bunch of wussies! Despicable!
June 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cripes. The Ameican people are ready for change, real change, in the form of integrity in our government. Clinton on the ticket ends this very precious potential we have before us.
Please just simply allow Democracy to take root! Don't try and force it with some genetically modified one-size-fits-all Frankenstein version, held together with obligatory compromises, old grudges, new grudges, dirty politics and favors-due. Give the American people a chance to vote for the promise of real change, which will be killed if you coerce Obama, as you, yourselves have been coerced, to add Hillary to the ticket. You know as well as any of us that this sort of coercian is exactly what is wrong in Washington. Haven't we had enough of this futile brand of dirty politics for one century?
June 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What sniveling cowards they are. I'd like to see a list of all of them. They're so afraid of picking the wrong one, they're paralyzed. Don't they realize Hillary will lose our party the election? Even if she's only in the VP slot, don't think the republicans won't drag out each and every scandal, just in case anyone forgot the details.
Sibelius would be perfect as VP; mainly because she has an excellent reputation, and isn't saddled with an out-of-control husband.
June 3, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spineless! Agree completely.
Superdelegates want all the authority and none of the responsibility; all the medals without the soldiering. Most have known since at least NH
whom they preferred but were too afraid of ticking off this or that sub-group. I support Hillary and to watch her "supers" suddenly discover something that just couldn't be resisted - always something "moral or in the best interests of the party or nation or unity or........" when it was always, "who's winning?" before ditching her might have been nauseating were it not so predictable.
If they are rubber stamps of the primary vote then they are unnecessary; if they won't dare override the primary season plurality delegate count then they are useless.
Regardless of which side of the debate you've been on, I think we can agree that superdelegates have been nothing but an irritant best done away with in 2012
June 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the front page Josh describes McAuliffe (see video clip on top right of this page)as wearing a "Hawaiian" shirt. Sorry, Josh, I love ya, but being an Hawaiian Islander I can tell you that is no Hawaiian shirt. It is in fact a Puerto Rican shirt. Unless I am mistaken, Terry says so himself.
So Puerto Rican rum, Puerto Rican shirt, why not?
For Terry to have worn a Hawaiian shirt would have been a big gaffe, as it would remind voters of Obama, who was born in Hawaii.
June 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems the American people want Hillary...if the votes mean anything.....it's at least a 50/50 split.
June 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the gaggle of undecided senators will all announce one way or another by tomorrow, and I think the majority will endorse Obama.
From their point of view, Hillary is going to be someone they will see in the Senate chamber as many as a 100 times per year in the next several years. Senatorial sensibilities and egos being what they are, they always walk on eggshells, even when they are knifing each other in the back.
It's politics, folks, no reason to get excited. Obama will pass the threshold by tomorrow latest.
June 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it fair to assume that most of the remaining undeclared super-delegates are Clinton supporters? Either that or some have tenuous holds on their elected seats and don't want to piss off the Hillary base and possibly have them stay home next time they run.
June 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No excuse... They need to start giving the Gore to Dean talk... asap...
like: It's about your country, party and is not about you, nor your beloved candidate who has LOST.
June 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
For Obama to cave and have HRC as VP would not be in keeping with his core message - CHANGE! One report just advised one thought is Clinton could be VP and Bill could be appointed to her Senate seat!
I'm more concerned about HRC camp statement she will not concede nomination - just admit he has the delegates. If so, this will sabotage any unity within party and voters. However, I tend to think end result hinges also on her campaign debt and she's holding out for pledge of $$$$$$$$ to pay off.
June 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding the Veep pick:
Al Giordano at The Field reported on May 22 that Clinton had asked and Obama had turned her down.
He's generally struck me as very well wired, so I'm pretty confident of the accuracy of his report.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1248
June 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"they always walk on eggshells, even when they are knifing each other in the back."
Perfectly said.
June 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cowards - all of them, what gutless "leaders". This is why America hates Washingotn DC, it's because our elected leaders are too afraid to do what is right, hence no surprise that Bush/Cheney were able to get away with having this war. I am so ashamed of these people.
Hillary is going to milk her final theatrical scene for all she can get, while Obama is pressured to stand in the wings waiting to bring real change and opportunity to this country. Men and women are dying in Iraq, homes are being forclosed, people are losing their jobs and health care, but for heaven's sake we must allow Sara Hillary Bernhardt to have her last dramatic scene. Pathetic.
June 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very disheartening news. This strikes me as much more harmful to Obama's November chances than anything the Clintons have said or done in the last two months. If I were the Republicans, I'd be all over this. I watched the MSNBC morning program ("Morning Joe") this morning, and a good number of the questions to Obama Campaign people were directed to this issue: why haven't more of the undeclared Superdelegates 'declared' for Obama? Did this suggest lack of support within the Party. Perhaps; more so, it suggests a lack of courage, as a number of the above comments speak to.
June 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The situation with the superdelegates unable to make up their minds because of the possible reaction of sizable portions of their constituencies (no matter which candidate they choose) sounds to me like a very good argument for why the Democratic Rules Committee needs to eliminate superdelegate entirely for our subsequent elections. They're all put in a position that is just too badly compromised by their concerns about re-election. Just think, if there were no superdelegates this year, there would hardly be any potential for quibbling about the results after tonight. The SD system seems to have only muddied up the waters throughout the primary season.
There's a sizeable number of people who would view the selection of Clinton as VP as a sellout of the very values that have led them to support Obama in the first place, and I'm one. She's far too hawkish and she's too old politics. It would be foolish for Obama to undermine the strength of his own message by the selection of Clinton as VP. On cable news this morning there was a report that one of the SDs had claimed that Clinton, in response to the question, had said she would be interested in the VP spot. I sure hope she wants something else more. Clinton is an extremely knowledgeable and talented person and I wouldn't have a problem with any number of other positions for her - even SC Justice - just keep her away from foreign policy.
June 3, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's scary. Plus I didn't see anything about her conceding in the story.
June 3, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was supposed to go to the tuxedojoe entry with the link.
June 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink