Report: McCains Have Over $100,000 In Credit Card Debt
In an interesting peek into John McCain's personal finances, it turns out that John and Cindy McCain -- in spite of their personal wealth -- are carrying well over $100,000 in credit card debt.
The Hill took a look at the latest Senate financial disclosure forms and found that a joint card held by the two has between $10,000 and $15,000 in charges, while a card that is solely in Cindy's name has between $100,000 and $250,000 in debt. Another card for a dependent child has between $15,000 and $50,000 in charges.
This is despite Cindy McCain having sold a property in California for a profit of more than $1 million.
Barack Obama, who has become wealthy in recent years thanks to book royalties, did not report any financial liabilities.















And how does this promote fiscal responsibility for John McCain?
June 13, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
The McCains are doing what they can to prop-up the economy, in contrast to those thrifty, selfish Obamas.
June 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jiminy cricket!
Are they financial morons? They have the cash to pay that crap off but they carry that kind of balance?
Speaks well of McCain's understanding of credit.
June 13, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he DID admit that he doesn't have much of a head for economic issues.
June 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
And now we have proof of that. This is embarassing.
June 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly. Embarrassing. Either they don't care about paying the extra interest or they don't understand.
Is it just me or does the McCain campaign sorta remind you of the infamous Seinfeld quote "And you want to be my latex salesman."
June 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
haha.
John McCain - the George Costanza of Presidential candidates.
June 13, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are they paying the extra interest?
Or are the banks "lending" them the money and not charging interest?
Ordinarily people with that much money hire a personal accountant to handle such issues. Either they have a special deal with the banks or whoever is handling the credit card payments is incompetent.
Neither situation is especially favorable to McCain's reputation as a manager/leader. But then, McCain has never managed any organization larger than his naval squadron, which was a part of the overall aircraft carrier management environment. On his own, the largest management job McCain has ever done is manage his Senate office - and now his Presidential campaign, which is not an especially shining example of effectiveness.
Essentially McCain is either corrupt or incompetent -- or both.
No surprise, really.
June 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they're paying it off every month (spending millions per year) and accumulating lots and lots of frequent flier miles.
June 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do these fucking multi-millionaires just pay off the minimum every month?!
June 13, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not the ones who made the money - just the ones who inherited it. Never trust the generation that was born into money to be any good with it.
June 13, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sad, but true.
June 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he has some Credit Card Lobbyists on his Campaign team... I mean... what else could be the explanation?
June 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has to pay for all that Oxy somehow!
June 13, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a frivolous story. Who cares?
June 13, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I kind of do for the same reason I cared about Hillary's insane campaign debt. These people clearly don't know shit about being fiscally responsible.
June 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fiscal responsibility isn't so much the issue with Hillary Clinton's debt. The issue is her campaign's stiffing vendors, hotels, etc. by taking months to repay these loans. If she merely "loaned" herself the money, and repaid these vendors, etc. in a timely manner, the issue wouldn't be as big as it is now. By taking months to pay these loans, many employees of the vendors, etc. the Clinton campaign used are going poor.
If Hillary Clinton wants to be a viable Presidential contender in 2012 should Barack Obama lose the presidential race (unlikely), she needs to repay these vendors as soon as possible. Otherwise, every single one of them will demand cash upfront because they don't want to be the last in line for a campaign that could go deep into debt and have little chance of winning, which gives little chance of the debt being repaid.
June 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
From that report:
Nice contrast to McCain.
June 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. Clues on how to run an organization. When you have to work from the bottom up, your perspective on what's important changes.
$100K Credit Card Debt vs $350K College Savings
June 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
McFoolish says it is good for the country that we all carry that much credit card debt...He and Cindy are just too busy to worry about it. I wonder if they special treatment and low finace charges on these cards.
June 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is no trivial matter. I think one of the largest threats to our economy is people living beyond their means and "debt surfing" until they die. The mortgage crisis is certainly partly due to folks taking on mortgages they could never afford. In fact, didn't John McCain make that exact same point, when explaining why he wouldn't do jack to help them?
How can a person with such wealth and "experience" act so irresponsibly, and why should we trust him with our precious tax dollars if he can't manage his own money?
June 13, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
unabogie - Absolutely agree that debt surfing til death is a fate worse than death, and a cheif threat to our economy and even physical health.
June 13, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I totally agree that what the McCains are doing is either irresponsible or somehow corrupt, I object to blaming the people who take on the mortgages.
The system is that it is the bank's money, and the person getting the mortgage has to convince the bank that they are making a good sustainable bargain when the buy the home. The final responsibility for issued a mortgage always rests with the bank.
The banks know that there are people who will request unreasonable mortgage deals, but the responsibility for only issuing good mortgages lies entirely with the mortgage lender! Trying to blame the people who got bad loans is almost entirely a case of Republican scapegoating so that the banks get off the hook. Almost no one who gets a mortgage is competent to evaluate how reasonable the deal really is. They all simply do what the mortgage broker, the real estate broker, and the bank tell them to do, and then compare to what their neighbors have done in similar situations. With a very few exceptions, almost no one who gets a mortgage has any idea what they are getting. They do not understand the various elements of the contract and how it works.
The same is true of almost anyone who deals with a large organization. The organization understands the deal and slants it to their own benefit, and the individual never knows they got screwed. (See the entire student loan scam or any military enlistment contract. Who ever mentions "Stop Loss?")
June 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but I disagree on this. People who took out loans on a $500,000 house, but who only make 50,000 a year, knew that they couldn't afford that house. Most times they were lured by the temptation of the "housing boom" and thought that they could ride the debt until they made money by reselling the house.
I recall Paul Krugman making this argument 3 years ago, and he was spot on. The housing bubble was an illusion, and people got greedy (the banks as well), but let's not absolve the home buyers from that greed. No one forces you to buy a house, for any price. And no one can force you to take on a $4,000 (before the rate flips!) monthly payment without your consent.
June 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
unabogie - Except when the banks were illegally inflating the $50,000/year persons credit score and otherwise fudging the numbers to shoe-horn them into a massive loan. Because of all the selling and re-selling of the loans, the retail banks originating the loan had an incentive to lie and fudge numbers b/c they knew they could get rid of the risk in a few days or weeks.
Banks should be held accountable for their recklessness.
June 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgot to mention: While I give the majority of the blame to banks, yes, purchasers were certainly guilty of "House Lust" over the past 10-15 years.... http://search.barnesandnoble.com/House-Lust/Daniel-McGinn/e/9780385519298/?itm=1
June 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is most surprising since I believe that John McCain is older than credit cards. Is it possible these debts have been run up on a ledger at his local general store? $100,000 is alot of sassafrass and dried beef.
June 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't feel like this shows any kind of financial irresponsibility with the McCains, they can't be THAT stupid. Instead, I think this smells shady. I wonder what this debt is for. Something is up, no one pays huge amounts of interest on money they don't have to, unless there is something else going on. I think it should be looked into..
And if indeed there is nothing fishy and they are just paying interest for the hell of it, yes, then we can have BIG questions about McCain's ability to manage the national budget.
June 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly, the McCains are trying to help out financially strapped Americans by allowing the credit card companies to extract their massive profits from people like themselves who can afford it rather than raise their already exorbitant interest rates.
June 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
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From Glory Boy to PW Songbird
John McCain: War Hero or North Vietnam's Go-To Collaborator?
By DOUGLAS VALENTINE
A well written, yet very disturbing view.......
June 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is awesome! I think they should hit him on it. He'll have to respond with something like "It's not a big deal because we have millions of dollars" or "the debt is just a month old, we just purchased a yacht". That will go over great with those "hardworking, white, Americans".
June 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not change you can believe in!
June 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suddenly Bush's borrowing from China to finance his Glorious War to Resubjugate Brown People is making sense ...
June 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This conversation is ridiculous:
1-Cindy is worth an estimated 100 million dollars. This debt represents 1% of her net worth. Depending on who you ask, the average American spends between 5% to 14% of their net worth on Credit Card repays.
2-We have no real idea what this money was spent on or why. The point is that they pay the money back. How they choose to spend their money, as with the way each of us chooses to spend our money, is no one’s business (so long as it is legal). I should only be a concerned when the fail to meet their obligations.
3-We don’t know what the Obama’s true debt is since they refused to release of their financial information.
June 13, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if the Obama's refused to release their financial information, then how is it that we know how much money they have in savings for their daughters' college plans?
Huh?
June 13, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It just sheds some more light on what stupid pigs they are...
June 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If this money was simply a monthly charge, they would not have reported it in a financial disclosure form. This is debt they "carry" for some unknown reason.
If I have a choice, as an American who carries NO DEBT AT ALL, between a family who is out of debt and saves for their children, vs. a filthy rich couple who can't understand the basics of compound interest, I'll take the former.
As if I needed another reason at this point.
June 13, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
So John and Cindy are wasting about $50,000. a month on credit card interest payments. More than the average citizen makes in a year. How stupid is that?
June 13, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about his last point, but sheepdogjeff is right: this is a non-story. There is NO story here. What the hell is this?
How many, even financially-responsible, Americans can say their credit card debt is even 1% of their net worth, to say nothing of (one-tenth( of one percent?
Their credit car debt isn't even a rounding error.
Use.
Less.
June 13, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
1-Cindy is worth an estimated 100 million dollars. This debt represents 1% of her net worth. Depending on who you ask, the average American spends between 5% to 14% of their net worth on Credit Card repays.
It does not matter what percentage of your wealth debt represents. It matters that you are paying interest, and thus wasting money, for no good reason. (Of course when you marry into or inherit wealth, you don't really understand these petty little things so it is understandable that Johnny and Cindy waste thousands on dept maintenance, the rest of us watch these kinds of things or have no other choice than to carry credit card debt, because we are using plastic to pay for such frivolousness as food and gas to get to work.
June 13, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect parallel to what McSame would do to the budget -- make Bush's tax cuts permanent, add another $400 billion in new tax cuts, and somehow pay for it by ending earmarks.
In other words, just put it all on the plastic. And by the time he's done, the U.S. government will be paying loan shark interest rates, too, because our credit-worthiness will be down the tubes.
June 13, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the trick to this story is they are using American Express Charge Cards that by design don't carry a balance. You have to pay them off every month when you get the bill.
So while we see "credit card" and think "Capital One @ 19.9%" they are dealing with something completely different.
June 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's possible, but then she's racking up more than $100,000 of charges in one month?
I need to go into the "heiress" business.
June 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope they're earning free miles.
June 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does not matter what percentage of your wealth debt represents. It matters that you are paying interest, and thus wasting money, for no good reason.
Exactly. They are wasting lots of money. What does this tell the average Joe struggling to make an extra $10.00. ?
June 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It does not matter what percentage of your wealth debt represents. It matters that you are paying interest, and thus wasting money, for no good reason."
Sure it matters. Such percentages are a wonderful way to figure out fiscal irresponsility. If 70% of my net worth is tied up in credit card debt, you can bet that I'm fiscally irresponsible. If one-tenth of one percent is, unless you know more, you can bet that I am not.
And my understanding is that this is CC debt not CC interest. And my guess is that their rates are just slightly lower than mine...
"Exactly. They are wasting lots of money. What does this tell the average Joe struggling to make an extra $10.00. ?"
It tells him that the McCain's are richer than he is. But he already knew that.
It also tells him that his credit card debt should probably be about $100.00 or apparently a bunch of people will call him fiscally irresponsible and unfit to be president. When he could be unfit for SO many other reasons.
June 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, here I am, defending John McCain and his pill-popping wife.
They carry one-tenth of one percent of their net worth in credit card debt, because *they want to*.
Maybe they want to stimulate the economy. Maybe they are trickle-down supporters. Maybe they want to maintain some debt so they can get their credit score up. Maybe their Amex Adamantium card gets them really good seats at the symphony if they charge $100,000 a year.
Doesn't matter.
It is not even the slightest, tiniest, microscopically minutest bit financially irresponsible. This is, and let me say it, too, ridiculous.
Do you know how many college-educated American's with a household income of $100,000 a YEAR are driving $50,000 cars?
C'mon.
June 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
O.K. Chris. I suppose you're right. Thanks for not being nasty about it. I'll just get back to chewing my bone.
June 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This amount of money is petty cash, if that, for people in these type income brackets. It is a non-starter, even for parlor-talk. I don't care for the Ultra Rich, either, but they live in a world of numbers far different from the average person. And there is no point in ranting about how we've "got to get these rich prople out of government." They are the only persons who can afford to do it.
June 13, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
when you go, it's not like you can take debt with you.. mind as well ratchet it up
June 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
All very entertaining and gossip satisfaction producing I'm sure, but I don't like this sort of chain. I can't distinguish its mode from sex spying, gotcha clips, eaves dropping, trash snooping, or hearsay repetition. I am surprised to find a lead-in to this on the main page of TPM.
June 13, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not a McCain fan, but this does not seem like a big deal.
If I'm traveling a lot for work, I can run up AmEx balances in excess of $10,000 in a month, and I'm just one person. If you use an AmEx in lieu of a checkbook to run a small business or a political campaign, you can easily run up much larger balances. If I were buying blocks of hotel rooms, paying catering services, and chartering the odd jet, I can certainly imagine I'd be running up a $100K+ balance.
Note that this is not necessarily revolving debt; my AmEx card requires me to pay my balance in full monthly, although there are some AmEx cards that allow the holder to carry a balance. I don't know what the disclosure reports require, but if they ask for your credit card balance as of date X, the fact that you will be paying off that balance when the bill comes in two weeks wouldn't be reflected in the report.
June 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its kind of wierd, the McCains have soooo much more money then the Obamas and they can't even pay off their debt. either the mccains are used to spending money inappropriately or they can't manage their funds. either way thats not a good sign that the mccains can manage the economy
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June 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chances are the rack up that much in one month. But, honestly, who cares?
June 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, no. They have zero interest rates. Nice for them. Where's the incentive to pay off the balance?
June 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink