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Report: General Election Map Favors Obama

So now that the general election's under way (it really is!), how does the electoral map look for Obama and McCain?

Chuck Todd and the rest of the MSNBC political brain trust give us a useful overview of which states are leaning towards whom, and which states are the toss ups:

Base Obama: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, MD, MA, NY, RI, VT (153 electoral votes)

Lean Obama: ME, NJ, MN, OR, WA (47 votes)

Toss-up: CO, FL, IA, MI, NV, NM, NH, OH, PA, VA, WI (138 votes)

Lean McCain: AR, GA, IN, LA, MS, MO, MT, NE, NC, ND (84 votes)

Base McCain: AL, AK, AZ, ID, KS, KY, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY (116 votes)

My immediate question about this is whether Florida belongs in the toss-up category, rather than the "lean McCain" one. That said, by this reading, the map clearly favors Obama. He starts with a sizable lead in base electoral votes, and he puts Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Virginia in the toss-up category.

MSNBC's conclusion: "His reach right now seems much longer than McCain's."


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Obama will, respectfully, shellac McCain come fall.

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Yup - the key ingredient missing in that map is resources: Obama's got 'em, McCain doesn't.

What does that mean? It means he will flood states that are toss-ups or even lean Obama - and it will also mean a significant allocation of resources to states that lean McCain.

GA, IN, NC, and MO will ALL be battlegrounds. McCain may win them in the end (although MO is pretty close), but he'll be forced to play defense without much money or enthusiasm on his side to do so.

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I think this map is set up solely to make it even between base states and leaning states: McCain 200 to Obama 200. It's not really tied to polls as far as I can tell.

ME, MN, OR, and WA are Base Obama. FL, WV lean McCain. IA leans Obama.

Base Obama: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, MD, MA, ME, MN, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA

Lean Obama: IA, NJ

Toss-up: CO, MI, NV, NM, NH, OH, PA, VA, WI

Lean McCain: AR, GA, FL, IN, LA, MO, MS, MT, NE, NC, ND, WV

Base McCain: AL, AK, AZ, ID, KS, KY, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WY

Look at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Can you say landslide? Obama is going to Bob Dole McCain in the worst way. (IF we all keep working hard to help him, that is.)

Screw the doubters, Obama is going to wipe McCain out in November, no doubt about it. People just love underestimating the man, but he shows them how wrong they are every time.

McCain and the Republicans are toast, and these predictions from MSNBC don't even begin to paint the picture of the smackdown they are going to get.

I said it before on another thread and it bears mentioning here, John McCain has no idea what he about to get hit with.

I could not agree more.

Now that Obama is finally free to drop the gloves, (and we have already seen previews of that in the last week) it is going to get very difficult for the senior senator from Arizona. On top of that, if HRC is as gracious as I know she can be, come Saturday, and the party finishes aligning now for this fight, it will be a VERY difficult battle for McCain. Despite the hand-wringing worrying from the very talented Bowers at openleft in his daily maps, I think we are surging toward an electoral blowout come November. 330 EVs or more for Obama. And, yes, I know that will take work. Which me, my wife, and my children will continue to put in from here in Western Tennessee. And there were will be tens of thousands like us, volunteering and putting in the work in the months ahead.

But, this is happening. A realignment election is upon us, and not a moment too soon. When this party sweeps to 60+ senators (and that will happen) and a crushing majority in the House (count on it) along with a talented and extremely intelligent President and cabinet, this country will FINALLY be ready to meet the very grave challenges in front of it. The environmental crisis the is enveloping the world. The dependence on oil. The need to articulate a plan to find alternative sources of fuel NOW. The collapsing economy. Restoring America's standing in the world as a partner, rather than a bully. The need for educational reform that will help pull our nation's schools out of the chasm into which they have fallen. All of it. We are on the precipice of all sorts of potential disasters, and this country is desperate for this party to take control and deal with the issues in the manner of rational, intelligent adults, rather than as petulant spoiled children on a tantrum, which is how the Bushies and repubs have spent their years in power.

This nation is about to watch its leadership grow up, and have it happen overnight. Oh yes, a tide is coming, and I can't wait to work as hard as I can to make sure it is as broad and powerful and sweeping a tide as possible. Time to get busy, helping to set things right for this country, and the world. I can't wait.

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I'd move Obama up a tier in CO and MN. He's beating McCain handily in both.

Same with Iowa.

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Absolutely the map favors obama and the map will change after this election, finally! I say obama breaks 300 easily and may break 350.

Once again, here is my favorite site and he is currently at 293.

http://www.electionprojection.com/index.shtml

But wait, didn't Shrillary and her 18 million hostages say she was the ONLY one who could beat McCain???

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Let it go. The Primary is OVER.

Word. It's done, time to move on. Most of them will come over, the ones who won't and choose to holler about it on these kinds of board can be written off as trolls and should be ignored. We are now about to come together as a party, and it is going to be a sight to behold.

Gloating aside, folks need to start contributing money and time to Obama and the down ticket candidates in their local area. Exploit the advantage NOW.

Its going to be a blow-out..

(Rant of the day)
I'm going to have to confess my sins to my fellow Obama supporters. Last night at a bar, the bartender chick who was clearly a Bushie expressed the usual Obama smears: "He's a muslim, his wife hates america, blah - blah" I didn't feel the need to correct her because I was drunk, and I knew that Obama never had her inbred vote in the first place. But now I realize that that wasn't the point, we have to serve misinformation scathing "chin-music" whenever we are encountered with it. Fellow Obama fans, please forgive me for my sins.

I think 2 hours of voter registration and a donation is required penance.

Absotively, HC!

We must be informers and correctors of the misinformation and lies that are out there.

I've found this: the more I know my shit about a candidate, the more likely those who may begin in disagreement start to listen. That's one of the reasons I love this site so much. We get a lot of useful information here.

Now, go do the penance Publicola prescribed! ;-)

The key to beating McCain - hold the polls open after 9:00 p.m.

By that time, McCain's voters will have been in bed for about 3 hours and more Obama voters can swoop in and put him over the top.

Obama campaign - have you thought of that idea?

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Obama's money advantage with an expanded electoral map will be the #2 reason that he defeats McCain. (#1 being W).

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I say the number 1 reason he beats mcbush is who he is. #2 money and #3 the king. You could also throw who mcbush is into that mix as well. He really has been looking and sounding awful lately.

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This is going to be beautiful and any remaining Hillary supporters who can't get past their bitterness are going to miss one hell of an election.

Best election season I've ever seen for the Democrats and any Democrat who misses it because he or she is wandering around whining is going to kick themselves eventually.

This is too good to miss.

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And keep in mind, this advantageous map is BEFORE the media turns its spotlight on McCain.

For the last few months it has been all HRC vs BO, now that that part of this election is over we will get to see McCain in all his "glory."

Judging by his speech the other night, he is FUBAR. He just doesn't have the intellectual chops to win. He may not be as stupid as Bush, but he doesn't know Sunni from Shiite, he doesn't know what the pre surge troop levels are...

In short; McSame is selling himself as a foreign policy expert, but he doesn't know squat about foreign policy. The media, hopefully, well soon start to point this out to the American public.

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Here is a nice rundown of McSame's problems with gaffes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/mccains-day-marked-by-fal_n_105283.html

But a more worrisome issue for the McCain campaign may just be that a theme is emerging, both within the media and political circles, that the Arizona Republican has a penchant for playing lose with the facts. Indeed, last week, McCain lost crucial news cycles after he falsely claimed that force levels in Iraq had been drawn down to pre-surge levels and then, instead of admitting he misspoke, said the whole thing was a debate over verb tense. This, in turn, came after the Senator claimed, again falsely, that Iran was training al-Qaeda in Iraq, when in fact the two groups are religious and political adversaries.

All told, the gaffes have provided Obama an opportunity to re-frame a man who is best known as a "straight talker," a image battle McCain can ill afford to lose.

" ... playing lose with the facts. ..."

Wonderful unintentional foreshadowing by the author!

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Not mentioning anyone by name, but Obama doesn't NEED anyone to be his VP to win. What he should do with the VP pick is find the most solid, dependable person who really would be a legit president if needed.

But - he doesn't need anything. It won't be close.

Anyone see Lisa Caputo on Dan Abrams' show last night? I haven't seen simmering fury like that since, well, Ickes on Saturday.

Fake smiles, but the anger was clearly in her eyes whenever Abrams asked her that Clinton supporters in Congress asked her to step down. She kept denying it, but then Dan kept playing the videos that proved her wrong.

Yeah i saw that last night as well. What was funny was Tuesday night on CNN when Larry King had on Lanny Davis, Arianna Huffington, David Gergen and another one other guy. Lanny and David sparred, then he and Arianna hooked. Lanny makes for good tv, he needs his own show.

It would help immensely if Obama had a high ranking military name as his running mate - you just know the GOP is waiting to nail him on lack of military credentials.

Webb or Clark would be perfect in this dept!

Why wasn't any of this said in the past two months when Hillary was touting her electability ? The ability of the media to change their meme in a nanosecond drives me nuts

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Missouri should NOT be listed as leaning McCain, it is as much as a tossup as Virginia. The last two SUSA polls there showed a 2-point Obama lead and a 3-point McCain lead--how much more tossup can you get?

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They're just trying to be nice to mcbush. Otherwise it really looks bad.

That is my thought as well. Ditto for Michigan. I am not saying that McCain has no chance there (quite the contrary, of all the Republicans who ran, he is the best positioned to flip MI red), but I think that the makeup of the MI electorate favors the democrat right out of the gate. I think that the tendency to label it a toss up stems from some misbegetton idea that the January primary fiasco will really sour people on the democratic party, but there just is no evidence to back this up.

I think the point about Detroit politics being a mess is salient. The mayor needs to NOT campaign with/for Obama. An AfAm pol who is embarrassing the city is not good for him. Someone else said the blunders that the Gov of Mass (his name is escaping me) is also pulling down Obama's numbers there, in the most reliably dem state in the country.

base + lean = 200/200

Good observation. I suspect that was intentional, and they put MO leaning McCain column and FL a tossup to get those numbers to even out.

This is opinion, albeit well-informed opinion. I prefer data, such as Votemaster Andrew Tanenbaum's site, which ranks states by the margin of the most recent poll(s) in each state. That site's main weakness is that some of the most recent polls are quite old. If you count "barely" and "tied" as tossups, and allocate the rest to the candidate, you get:
Obama 244
McCain 202
toss-up 92

Most recent polling gives Obama CO, IA, NH, PA, and WI (which Todd currently rates as toss-ups), and it gives McCain FL and NV. It also would put SC, CT, and MO in the toss-up column. Personally, I doubt SC or CT will be in play, but MO sure seems like a serious battleground state. I like electoral-vote.com because he has a strict algorithm that is applied to whatever data he gets from polls, and thus is unbiased, in that the results only change because of published polls, not because of Tanenbaum's personal opinions.

Bob Novak did a breakdown last week where he put each state in somebody's column, and said it was currently 270-268 McCain. Novak certainly reports from a certain perspective, and while one can quibble over who is more likely to win some particular state, everything he put in a given column was plausible. His bias lies more in his snarky commentary on certain states than in the calling them.

All three sources agree that as of today, this race is close.

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Novack's appears much more realistic than the ones that list GA as a "battle ground" state.

On Bill Press's show this morning, they were talking about Obama putting Hillary onto the Supreme Court - it would drive Roberts and Scalia INSANE!

Hey, I'm all for that!

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I like the idea of driving them insane alright but I don't think she's enough of a legal scholar to go on the SCOTUS. She barely practiced law before she was First Lady of Arkansas.

haha, yeah. That's the only reason I'd support her on SCOTUS - to see the right wing have a collective seizure.

Otherwise, I don't think she's qualified.

Pollster has Obama leading in some of the bigger toss-ups.

+3 in Wisconsin
+1 in Ohio
+5 in Pennsylvania
+4 in Iowa

And that is before HRC has turned her considerable talent toward helping to get Obama elected. This early map, giving the long primary, looks GREAT for the Dems. Time to put in the work to close the deal. And, unlike four years ago, the Dems have a genuine communicator at the top of the ticket. That will go a long way toward helping get this accomplished.

As projected, each candidate has 200 EVs with 138 toss-ups. How does that favor Obama? BTW, the runner-ups map looks even better than the projected nominee's.

BK, I am sorry for you that your candidate lost. I know from personal experience how crappy that makes one feel.

But, it's time to move on. Your candidate is doing so, and about to put her considerable talents toward helping to bring about the regime change that we all need in Washington that will allow the Dems to really govern and get things done.

Let's pull together now and make this happen.

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I'll say it again - any Democrat who sits this one out is going to be kicking him or herself eventually. This is going to be one of the best election cycles for the Democrats possibly in my lifetime.

Personally, I'd rather have everyone on board for this - we got here together and it's going to be one hell of a Republican ass kicking and if you want a piece of that - then come on!

"GA, IN, NC, and MO will ALL be battlegrounds. McCain may win them in the end (although MO is pretty close), but he'll be forced to play defense without much money or enthusiasm on his side to do so."

There's no real reason to think that Georgia is anything but solidly in the McCain camp and Indiana is really not far behind. NC and MO will very likely back him, too. The problem with this map is that it doesn't take the Bradley effect or race into account.

All in all, though, this news isn't really good for Obama. He's performing quite poorly in a year that is supposed to be so overwhelmingly favorable for Dems. With Ohio, Michigan, Penn. and Florida so competitive, I project a McCain win in November. The Dems are hoping that John McCain is yet another Bob Dole but so far nothing has indicated that to be true.

Have you seen McCain campaign?

Dude,

McCain makes Dole look like Ronald Freakin' Reagan!

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Huh, I didn't know that we here in MN are "leaning" towards Obama. I mean, he won our delegates pretty handily and we became a lot less purple during the last election. Now Wisconson...

Yeah. I thought the polls had Obama up double-digits in MN.

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Here's a Star-Trib poll from back in May that had Obama over McCain %51 to %38 and this was before he was the presumtive nominee!


Minnesota also has the longest streak voting for the Dem nominee than any other state in the nation. People like him up there, and the Edwards types like Oberstar will stump for him up on the Range.

Also, once you get the college kids excited in MN, you not only get 10 EVs for Obama, but a Senator Al Franken to boot!

Not to be a naysayer, or a nattering nabob of negativity, but Obama will win in a landslide IF we collectively work our asses off from here until the GE.

This is not going to be a cakewalk as some are suggesting. Obama is still unknown to a large swath of Americans who tune out politics until the last few months (yes, this is true unlike the political junkies that inhabit TPM). And McCain's surrogates in right wing circles are going to desperately disparage Obama and his funny muslim-sounding name, his scary blackness, and his associations with left-wing radicals from the increasingly mainstream right-wing outlets. These factors coupled with his "unknownness" are fodder for defining our candidate in a very unflattering way.

We have to be vigilant and relentless in counter attacking right-wing memes. We have to be knocking on doors, signing up and courting voters, and doing all the dirty work necessary to make Obama our next President. I'm up for the challenge, and I think you all are too. But please don't be complacent.

Cheers!

Absolutely!


PLEASE locate your nearest Obama or County Dems office and offer your time! I'm so excited that I won't have to beg people this election!

Remember also that some states have programs that work to elect all Dems, so sign on to knock doors/make calls with them if you're looking for a resounding Democratic victory this year. It's like killing 5 or 6 Republicans with the same stone!

My immediate question about this is whether Florida belongs in the toss-up category, rather than the "lean McCain" one.

That is one of my immediate questions as well. The other is whether MO belongs in the "leans McCain" column, instead of the "toss up." Also, I rather wonder if MI does not belong in the "leans Obama" instead of the "toss up."

Obama will lose at least two out of these three: PA, MI, and OH. He has no place to make up the deficit. Check! Game over!!!


Coming this Novenmber, I will be the first Hillary supporter to salute President-elect McCain, the man with integrity, independence, intellectual, and innate decency to make this country work again! By the way, experience does help as well!!!

Pollster has him up in PA and OH and tied in MI.

You conviniently ignored all polls were within margin of error. Also unlike in the Democratic primary, Bradley effect will be huge while reverse Bradley effect will be non-existent. the more black people vote for Obama, the more some white people will be hardened to vote for McCain. That's a fact!

No, that is not a fact. That is conjecture.

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Trying again to respons directly to Aimey May:

The "Bradley Effect" also known as the "Wilder Effect" did not factor into the senatorial election in Tennessee last year. It is debatable whether there ever was such a factor--certainly it cannot be regarded as a "fact"--but at the least, it does not appear to be a factor now.

Anywhere Obama is currently tied with McCain can be counted on to have Obama leading once the party has unified behind him. That process has just begun.

As an Obama supporter and long suffering Demcorat I remind my Obama supporter friends that at this time in 2004, Kerry was whipping the pants off of President Failure.

Don't get comfortable with an imaginary lead. Work like you're 10 points behind.

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You know I don't remember that. I thought that it was pretty close at this point. Also, kerry screwed up the swift boat crap, which I don't expect obama to make the same type of mistake.

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You are correct, Kerry was not "whipping the pants off Bush" at this point, it was close between them. Other than one Newsweek poll that showed Kerry up by 7 points at a particularly bad news cycle for Bush, he did not have any leads more than a few percentage points.

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Thanks. I thought that I was going senile.

Obama will lose not because he is young or inexperienced. His problems are his ultra-liberal positions and his fervent anti-war position. You cannot be a patriot but be vested in the failure of American military operation underway. the surge has clearly worked, you like it or not.

Although McCain's speech was loudly ridiculed by the pundits, he has one great line: i don't understand how a young man is burdened with so many old unworkable idea.

Does anyone really believe the country is ready for the top marginal tax to be restored to 39.5% and capital gain tax rate to be reversed back to 28%.

I don't!!!

You cannot be a patriot and vested in the deaths of over 4000 Americans and tens of thousands of innocents in a war built on lies about nonexistent weapons and threats to us, which only destabilized an important region, and which has resulted in a literally criminal politicization (see Scooter Libby, Karl Rove) of our foreign policy.

Even NASA was politicized - it wasn't just foreign policy. The former "public servant" in charge of the GSA asked in 2006 in a presentation to her agency what "we can do to help our candidates" (meaning Republicans). The DOJ had political tests for its candidates. Retired military officers serving as "independent" military analysts on television were prepped by the DOD. It would be easier to list branches of the executive that weren't politicized, rather than those that were.

Whoops, I see you said criminal politicization. While the above examples I cite were indeed bad, I doubt all of them were illegal. Former GSA head Lurita Doan arguably violated the Hatch Act, and perhaps DOJ politicization included criminal behavior as well.

McCain will lose because many Republicans will vote for Bob Barr, who speaks about 80 times better than McCain does in general, and especially on the economy.

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Yeah who'd want to go back to the time when the economy was booming at historic levels, pre-internet bubble even, and those tax rates were in effect? Well, effecting the very wealthiest among us anyway.

Speaking of bubble, why don't you come out of yours? Very few people would see the restoration of tax levels on the wealthiest of Americans to their 1990s levels as greivous.

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Yeah who'd want to go back to the time when the economy was booming at historic levels, pre-internet bubble even, and those tax rates were in effect? Well, effecting the very wealthiest among us anyway.

Speaking of bubble, why don't you come out of yours? Very few people would see the restoration of tax levels on the wealthiest of Americans to their 1990s levels as greivous.

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Sorry I am trying to get this to be directly below Aimey May's post above but it is not working.

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MSNBC's "political brain trust"? There are some pretty obvious flaws in this one, as many have pointed out. (e.g., does anyone doubt that FL leans to McCain?)

I don't mean to dampen anyone's enthusiasm - there's a lot to be enthusiastic about - but this election isn't a cakewalk. The fact is, Republicans always vote Republican, and Democrats vote Democrat... and that leaves the battle where it's always been: win the hearts and minds of independents and moderates. Obama does well with group, but so does McCain.

Confidence is important, but overconfidence can be fatal. There's lots of work to do. Send Obama some money and keep fighting the good fight folks!

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