Rendell On Bill Clinton's Alleged Hard Feelings Towards Obama: "Get Over It," "Shake It Off"
When you write an item about leading Hillary supporter Ed Rendell, you are required to describe him as "blunt." And here is Rendell again, being, well, blunt about Bill Clinton's alleged hard feelings towards Obama...
Bill has to "get over it," and "shake it off," Rendell says. Did someone say he's blunt?
Ben Smith noted yesterday that Obama's campaign has harmed Bill in some ways, because Obama has run an implicit campaign against his presidency. That said, who the heck knows if Bill is really "miffed" with Obama, as everyone keeps saying; the original report that got this going is based only on the word of an anonymous Democrat who supposedly spoke to Bill.
I don't know if Bill is "miffed" or not. He very well may be, and if he is in fact "miffed," Rendell is right; he should get over it. Either way, it has now become true that Bill is "miffed," and there will be no changing that, ever.

Someone needs to explain to Bill that since Hillary was running on a third Clinton term, Obama had no choice but to run against his presidency.
June 26, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree blmack.
Hillary ran on his Presidency and Obama had to counter how that Presidency was not the greatest. Obama did a great job enumerating the weaknesses of the Clinton administration. Bill is just pissed because of how effectively Obama did it by stating they needed to build a bridge to the 21st century and how Reagan transformed politics...Bill hated those remarks because it was a direct hit at his legacy.
Tough. Bill put his wife out there running on his administration and he found out why it was not so great.
Like Rendell said he needs to 'get over it' and he also needs to move on about his belief that Obama used race against him, when the record clearly shows Obama did not mention race. Rather, the black community and the black media were outraged about Bill's comments. He was warned by Ted kennedy and even Donna Brazile and Clyburn told him to chill after his 'this whole thing is a fairy tale'. Bill chose to go for the jugular instead and now his legacy is tarnished and the black community will not ever support a Clinton again.
Bill needs to grow up and move on...he was the one who claimed politics was a contact sport and if you didn't wanna get hit, don't come on the field.
Well, Bill you have been hit, get up, suck it up and act like a man.
June 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dead on.
June 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
June 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
ZOMG!!!!!!!
Ed Rendell said someone has to "get over it"!@@!!!! Those words, I've been informed, are the WORST.POSSIBLE.WORDS.TO.EVER.SAY.TO.ANYONE!!!@#$!!!.
Hilarious that it was a true blue Clinton supporter who said them.
June 26, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, how dare him? A Clinton should never be expected to simply "get over" anything! Ever! And now, I'm going to my room. To stew.
Harumph!
June 26, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite description of Rendell came from the immortal Al Giordano, who called him a candor junkie.
June 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
No there won't - it's already CW. But Bill added to that perception to make it become media fact. I'm betting "miffed" is mild, but it hardly matters. He'll have to get over it - he has no choice except to sulk and lose more relevance.
June 26, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
agreed, actually. he probably is miffed or a lot worse. his tepid one sentence statement endorsing obama the other day was perhaps an indicator...
June 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg: I just think it is too soon. And Bill got a lot of bad press. Frankly, I think he just wants to give it a few and he'll be back in the game.
June 26, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel you, but come on - no one died here. He's being a drama queen.
June 26, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's rather difficult to put a different spin on all that "terseness" out of Bill, Greg - at least for me.
I'm sure he's hurt for Hillary, I'm sure he's hurt for himself - but this is what politicians do and surely someone who has been running for office since forever knows that by now -
June 26, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, it just shows that Bill is a sore loser, as he encouraged Hillary to be as well. Bill was the one who kept Hillary in the race, telling her 'we're not quitters'...well guess what...there comes a time when you have to acknowledge you were not only beat but you were beat fair and square.
Bill has just not ever loss when playing the race card and he can't believe it. Tough.
June 26, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Especially coming from the guy who almost wrecked his presidential ambitions by giving an unbearably long-winded keynote address at the 1988 convention.
June 26, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooo yeah..I remember that..it was insufferably loooooooooooooooooooooong.
June 26, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena: I am pretty sure you are a retired Judge. So, how do you feel about FISA, I have wanted to ask you for a week now.
June 26, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
O my dear - thank you for the compliment but I've never had a bench - I was merely a self-employed criminal defense appellate lawyer.
FISA is way complicated - the statute tried to set up a system that would protect our rights and of course, Bush didn't follow the law - and the requirements couldn't be looser or easier - he had the legal authority to get wiretaps in place without any warrants - all he had to do was go to the FISA court after the fact and get it to sign off. He didn't.
Bush broke the law, violated the constitution and should be held accountable, but this whole telecom immunity thing is a red herring IMO. We don't have any fucking constitutional rights vis-a-vis private entities - only the government. The telecoms did violate the constitution, apparently, but I fail to see how holding them responsible for doing this helps us at all. We don't have any constitutional rights to sue anyone. And civil lawsuits are just money making endeavors for lawyers. Especially class action suits - they are gold mines for lawyers and not for the class, which usually gets spare change for damages once the lawyers get paid.
I never have understood why suing telecoms got tangled up with our constitutional rights under the 4th amendment. They may have violated citizens' rights, but our real quarrel is with the government who told them it had the right to ask them to do that. I don't see how telecoms can be held accountable under those circumstances, or why they are so damned important to people.
It's Bush - he broke the law. He clearly broke the law. But if Congress isn't going to try to hold Bush accountable, trying to substitute the telecoms is no way to get to where we want to be - which is someplace where Bush is held responsible for what he has done because he's the one who broke the fucking law and he's the one the constitution guarantees our protection against.
I don't like FISA as it was written. I don't like the concept of a secret court, but the statute has been around now for years - this didn't just now come up - the FISA court has been signing off on warrantless searches now since the statute was enacted. It would never have become an issue if Bush hadn't totally gone around the FISA court and just done what he wanted to without trying to make at least a pro forma showing of exigent circumstances.
So the bottom line is that Bush violated the constitution, but it was always going to be difficult to hold him responsible for this particular violation since the whole thing is about national security - the statute, everything. That means evidence won't come out in court because of national security, even if we could sue the telecoms.
June 26, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people - not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program. We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed.
That is why I am co-sponsoring Senator Dodd's amendment to remove the immunity provision. Secrecy must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens – and set an example to the world – that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient.
A grassroots movement of Americans has pushed this issue to the forefront. You have come together across this country. You have called upon our leaders to adhere to the Constitution. You have sent a message to the halls of power that the American people will not permit the abuse of power – and demanded that we reclaim our core values by restoring the rule of law.
It's time for Washington to hear your voices, and to act. I share your commitment to this cause, and will stand with you in the fights to come. And when I am President, the American people will once again be able to trust that their government will stand for justice, and will defend the liberties that we hold so dear as vigorously as we defend our security.
- Barak Obama
June 26, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very well-said, Tena. And the longest comment, every from our friend from the Southwest. We need more of this from you.
June 26, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
To me the issue of telecom immunity matters only in that civil lawsuits against the telecoms were our best chance of revealing the scope and nature of the eavesdropping. Bush has argued executive privilege and state secrets to every congressional attempt to uncover the basic facts of what was done. They argued state secrets in the civil case too, but at least you could have multiple suits in multiple courts and have a better chance of a sympathetic judge.
Maybe it becomes less relevent as Bush leaves office, but I don't think we should just place blind trust in Obama (or, much less, McCain) to fix all the constitutional overreaches of the Bush administration outside of the public eye.
On the other hand, I personally don't think a private company should be put in the position where it has to defy the federal government to uphold the constitution, and if it doesn't, it is liable. When if they had just defied the government, they could probably have faced charges of obstruction. We assume the major telecoms had boatloads of lawyers to evaluate the legal underpinnings of the requests, but the Patriot Act also includes the ability to impose gag orders which prevent the recipient of a national security letter from even consulting with an outside lawyer. I am sure that under the patriot act, many more companies have violated the 4th amendment, but it is unfair to expect a video rental store or a library or a landlord to have (in-house) the constitional law background to take on the Department of Justice.
June 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
While it is correct that one major impetus in securing Telco immunity is to keep executive criminal activity out of court, the other major motivation is money. If class actions were permitted to proceed against the Telcos, only one would have to hit to bankrupt the major companies. And remember, at least one of the majors - Qwest - had the stones to say no when the feds came calling asking for extra legal access to your phone records. This, by itself, is great evidence of the other Telcos breach of their duties to you, the phone customer. If Qwest could insist on warrants under the same legal regime, why couldn't Verizon and the rest?
June 26, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the government is the main and most important threat to our Fourth Amendment rights, but the telecom angle is a good way to roll the threat back because:
1. Suits in civil court are easier against the corporations, because you can skip government immunity issues.
2. The suit will be a giant battle, but you can get lawyers to commit to the battle on the promise of a contingency fee.
3. The companies hate the suits and the publicity, because it will disturb the stockholders even if they win in court.
4. The disturbed stockholders can, if disturbed enough, force corporate policy to say they won't play ball with Big-Brother anymore.
5. The management will hate the idea of disturbed stakeholders so much that they may well enact the policy even if they could win in a full-on stockholder fight.
I'm glad telecom leaders wanted to help fight terrorists, since there are some terrorists out there. But they have a choice of methods:
• the constitutional, lawful, decent, American method that requires lightning-fast warrants.
• the lying, cheating, stealing, scared-of-your-shadow, Rove-Cheney-Addington, stomp-on-the-flag-and-all-it-stands-for method that pretends warrants don't matter.
Suing the corporations gives those leaders a hands-on reason to make the right choice.
June 26, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena: This may or may not appear in order as a reply to your post. Never mind.
Your FISA analysis was cool, clear, and succinct -- and, therefore, refreshing. Please consider posting it as a separate blog. Or not. In any case, thanks.
June 26, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to post this as a blog entry. This should be its own thread. Great explanation, and further validation for me not freaking out about this.
June 26, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton is a decent guy, and I think he is hurting for Hillary right now. I know I feel my spouse's losses at times more than he does, I sure take longer to get over it. Bill will bounce back, and I am sure he will help Obama. He looked tired, and I think he needs to recoup.
June 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said.
June 26, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of the reason that Obama will win in November is that the country wants a Democratic president because Bill Clinton was the best president the country has had since the '60s.
June 26, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering who else was in office during that period, I agree.
June 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just did a mental scan and sadly, you're probably right.
June 26, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damning with feint praise there...
June 26, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Riiiiiight!!
anyone with any sense knows this was like going to the SuperBowl...it is way harder to win the division playoffs to GO to the SuperBowl than it is to win the superbowl.
Obama won the democratic primaries which is way harder than the General, based on his background. Afterall, there was a presumptive nominee when the race started!!
June 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just hope the Elder-Statesman, Past President Bill shows up again and adds some of his charm and intelligence to the race this Fall. I miss that guy.
June 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do too.
June 26, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama ran a villify the oponent campaign in the primary and is now schocked that some of his opponents fans are not willing to kiss and make up. Good short term tactics but poses a strategic problem now.
Obama has always been willing to tank the Democrats chances in November if it gave him a shot at the Presidency. The size of that gamble, the ammorality of it, and the arrogance involved that plan A will work and who the hell needs to compute the effect if it doesn't render him akin to George Bush(another great campaigner and promiser) and are part of the numerous reasons I'm voting for McCain rather than Obama even though I am a life long liberal Democrat.
June 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hilarious! Is this snark?
And this is ever funnier.
You are a master of snark.
June 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah right. Tell this to someone who cares.
June 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even though I am a life long liberal Democrat
Sorry. You're lying.
June 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, Democrats call themselves "progressives." "Liberal Democrat" is about as obvious a giveaway as "Democrat Party."
June 26, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
AJM...that post of yours was complete bovine excrement.
Do you have any facts to support your assertions?
Naw, you don't you were just spouting off without thinking, right?
June 26, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
bovine, taurine, what the heck -- smells the same.
June 26, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! The nerve, claiming your opponent isn't ready to be Commander in Chief, but the guy from the other party is! Oh, wait, that was Hillary that said that.
Oops.
June 26, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
some of my favorite comments are those that begin or end with "I'm a lifelong Democrat but I'm by god voting Republican this time."
When will y'all learn that no one ever believes that "I'm a lifelong Democrat but..." bullshit?
Too fucking funny.
June 26, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you started that civics book yet?
June 26, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dunno about has always been; that's as may be.
Right now, though, he's being very mindful of down-ticket Democtats. Looks like he sees the value of (near-)veto-proof majorities in the House and Senate.
June 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're voting for McCain because Obama ran even though he's unelectable?
This is brilliant. Simply brilliant.
Someone! A Nobel Prize for this fellow! Quickly!
June 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hated Rendell when he was "against" Obama, but I'm kind of loving having him on our side.
June 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too!
June 26, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree hyperRevue, Ed Rendell is like the Dennis Rodman of Politics - you absolutely loathe his ass until he plays for your team.
June 26, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah Humanity...so who is gonna be Lambeer to Rendell's Rodman?
June 26, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rendell is entertaining, but only up to a point. He is a bit of a loudmouthed jerk, too. Surely you can call to mind his notion that Fop News was fair and balanced in campaign coverage. And you know there is more...
But, he's got good one liners and he's never boring.
June 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill should go on a special mission to help the people of Myanmar.
Not only should he get over this campaign, he should get the hell out of it.
Don't go away mad, Bill, just go away.
June 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent idea. I think some penance would do him and the rest of the world a lot of good.
June 26, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm guessing this is snark, but if it isn't...
Obama is setting up shop in 50 states...and in some, where they know their going to lose, he's doing so primarily to support downticket candidates. His campaign has said as much. Yet it's all about him? There's a big reason so many of the supers up for re-election this year got behind Obama - because they know he helps their chances - because of cash, organization, enthusiasm, etc. - better than Hillary would have.
June 26, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone voting for McCain should really take a hard look at the Supreme Court's decisions over the last week. Even when they were on the right side of an issue, the vote was 5-4 when they were slam dunk 9-0 cases.
Today they just ruled we can all shoot everyone (okay, slightly overstating) but they are a bunch of crazies. McCain will throw America into the abyss if he gets elected and appoints any more Justices like Bush did. And shame on the Congress for letting these guys pass so easily.
June 26, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I used to be a big gun control advocate, but I've finally capitulated to the hard facts - people are not going to give up their guns in this country. I just have surrendered on this issue. The 2d amendment appeals to more people than just the right wing. I have a number of heavily armed liberal friends who have the attitude that they don't trust the government and consider themselves citizens when armed, and merely subjects when disarmed.
I'm just afraid that gun control is a totally dead issue at this point.
June 26, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's the problem when talking about guns in this country. So many assume that there are those who want to take away their guns away, and that makes the discussion rather difficult. "Gun Control" is one of those phrases that turns many off. We need reshape the rhetoric, focus more on the aspects of "gun safety" and less on "gun control".