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Polls: Here Comes Obama's Post-Primary Bump
Barack Obama is now enjoying a bump in his poll numbers since he sewed up the Democratic nomination, moving from a tie with John McCain a week ago to six-point leads in the two major tracking polls.
Here are the latest number, compared to the results that were released on June 3:
Gallup
Obama 48% (+3)
McCain 42% (-4)Margin of error: ±2%
Rasmussen
Obama 50% (+4)
McCain 44% (-2)Margin of error: ±4%
The question, then, is whether Obama will be able to sustain this bump, or if John McCain will be able to even things out when the initial coverage of Obama's Democratic victory wears off.
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I don't mind celebrating, but these polls don't mean a shit. Not now and not a day before the election.
Probably there are quite a few swing states this election- I would want to keep a close eye on those dozen states.
June 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it will interesting to see which way the swing states swing as we get closer to fall. Real interesting, as this year there are quite a few and for good reason. A tainted Repub brand, a lameduck President, a has-been nominee, and a stellar 50-state strategy for us Dems this year.
June 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Generally speaking I agree, but I think targeted polls (not flat national polls) will start having meaning after the caucuses.
June 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I strongly suspect that Clinton's endorsement have caused this bump.
June 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I strongly suspect Hillary's withdrawal from the race helped more than the endorsement per se (though that helps too). With her out of hte picture, there is greater clarity in the choice. Come November of 2008, the margin will more in line with Obama 56%, McCain 43% and Barr 1% (all in Southern states where it really hurts McCain) with the electoral spread even wider. Sounds counterintuitive? Nope, just a reflection of anti-GOP rage. Mccain's landslide defeat will be Bush/Cheney's accountability moment.
June 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gallup indicated that Obama got a sizable bump after Hillary conceded on Saturday. Up until now, they've been using a 5 day rolling average for the general election match up. They will now be moving to a 3 day average (like the primary matchup) so we should see a big bump for Obama in the next couple of days.
June 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Obama is pregnant?. Don't touch the bump!
June 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'm sure Bammers (as I affectionately call him) has plenty up his sleeves to keep us all interested and McCain on the run.
Plouffe and co. are running a real, real smart campaign. Looking forward to the fall!!!
Don't forget to get out there and get your feet on the ground for Obama this fall. Change some minds!
Yes, we can!
June 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
People (i.e., media) who set the bar at double digits are smoking something (I'm looking at you, Chuck Todd). He cannot sustain a double digit lead, even if he were to touch it briefly. We'll be lucky to stay 4-6 pts ahead.
June 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that right now, it's "conventional wisdom" that for a bump to be a bump, it has to be 10 points. One of McCain's surrogates was on MSNBC this AM, asking "Where's the bump?"
The fact that Obama and McCAin have been tied, pretty much, all the way up to this point, and that a 10 point "bump" is an unreasonable expectation is totally irrelevant to the talking hairdoes on the TeeVee.
June 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush's corralled Maverick of The Panderosa alienates his base.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/6/9/2/gop-base-tmdho080515.gif
June 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFL!
June 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two members of Barack Obama's vice presidential-vetting team met privately Monday with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Reid's spokesman, Jim Manley, said Jim Johnson and Eric Holder spent about 30 minutes with the Nevada Democrat in his Capitol office.
Manley declined further comment.
It was not known whether Johnson and Holder were seeking Reid's advice about Obama's search for a running mate, whether he was considered a potential ticket-mate himself, or whether the meeting was for a different purpose.
Johnson and Holder also had a meeting scheduled for later in the day with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
June 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
...No.
June 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I recall they are only meeting with people who are not being considered. But very classy to reach out like this for advice, etc.
June 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that McCain will get a big bump from his 72nd birthday in August.
June 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
To add to the giant creepy bump on his face
June 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain will get a big bump when the "W" movie comes out in the fall and it's all the media will be talking about for a week.
It seems silly but I think that's gonna help us out too.
June 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't any kind of bump, it's a FIST bump.
June 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would be a terrorist jabbing fist bump, to you.
And apparently Governor Easley is another one of those terrorist jabbing fist bumpers:
Governor Easley is a terrorist!
June 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just gonna grow and grow! He's barely even sunk his teeth into McCain.
June 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll even out when the 527s swing into action, of course.
June 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This remains to be seen. The intertubes have been effective at evicerating the B.S., giving us the Fall of King Bubbuh and Jane.
I think any 527's message is going to meet this buzz-saw, and if it can knock off Bill, it can knock off anyone.
All it will take is a focus on McCain's many problems for the drip-drip-drip to eat into his numbers. He will overreact, making it worse. Obama does not react with ire, and this will further infuriate McThuseleh into a truly awful snit. It's possible we'll all be told to go fuck ourselves.
I maintain that 44% is as high as he will ever poll nationally, unless, of course, Rev Wright is caught in bed with Jimmy Carter and Condi.
June 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't be surprised to see those numbers spread a bit more and hold steady. I think that would reflect the kind of movement we have been seeing in special elections and polls of swing states.
The big question is what kind of Swift Boat job does McCain have waiting to roll out?
The usual rovian MO is attack them at their greatest strength. Hmmm?
Bootie slap fist bump.
June 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You lead me to this question: what if a 527 forms attacking McCain for surrenduring to the Japs, rather than fighting, and giving away state secrets, as well as being more than a little "touched" by the torture...
How would Obama react? Dems in general?
Actually, this may end up being a necon 527...
June 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok. I'll bite. Japs? Not VC? Was he really a double POW, and just sat Korea out?
June 9, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it was the VC - not Japs. But I wondered this same thing, I think we should push-back where possible. here was my take:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/just-say-no-to-swiftboating.php
June 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
with you entirely on that, kgb!
June 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Silly kgb999. Don't you know it was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor? Jeez, even this guy knows:
http://tinyurl.com/4w4633
June 9, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and this hurts him how? It says he partied in college, showed courage as a POW and served honorably...oh maybe that would hurt you in the Democrat's primary. I think it helps in the general election.
June 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note to all: I don't think that "Japs" is still the accepted nomenclature.
June 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks you Walter
June 9, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't the VC either, he was a prisoner of the NVA and of all the reasons to make fun of him for what ever gets your rocks off, making fun of him being tortured as a POW is pretty shitty.
June 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
NPR resident political guru hizself David Brooks on Friday last predicted that Obama would climb and keep climbing vis a vis McCain until late October when things would tighten up. He called the general for Obama, in any event.
June 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
More importantly, McCain is polling in the low to mid 40s. This is significantly less than Bush's polling numbers during this same time in 2004 and is a major sign of weakness that will not show up in the polling data. Of course, this could all change between now and November, but it's still very good news for Obama.
June 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm curious to see what happens in the polls once mcCain and Obama debate.
June 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will wipe the floor with him. The visual alone will be quite stunning.
June 10, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only if his answers are scripted and he has a teleprompter. Hillary kicked his butt every time and she's a terrible public speaker.
June 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls mean little, but they do vindicate those who called out the spin of the past few months for the bullshit that it was.
June 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
these tracking polls would be a bit more meaningful if we chose a president based on popular vote.
The state polls are more helpful to see where the swing states are leaning.
June 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something tells me this is more like a baby bump. It's just going to keep getting bigger and bigger over the next few months.
June 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Hillary Grassroots Campaign is proud to announce that we have joined the coalition to just "Just Say NO Deal." http://www.justsaynodeal.com Millions of disaffected voters or "pumas" (party unity my ass) have banded together to form this coalition of the unwilling... - Just Say No Deal!
please visit
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com
June 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that anything like Penn's "Cougars"?
June 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just say No Brain!
A group of fools,
To elect McCain.
June 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Chicago entity is busy smearing these feces all over every thread.
June 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
AKA: Michelle McGee
June 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you give less than a shit about any of the things Hillary Clinton claims to be a fighter for, up to and including making sure Roe v. Wade is not overturned. For you it is nothing but a vitriolic cult-of-personality fanboy/girl thing and not about positions, principles, policy, or governance.
Any Clinton supporter who claims that they are either sitting it out or voting McCain, who is the polar-opposite of what Clinton says she stands and fights for, is an utter fraud.
So why do you support Clinton yet hate everything Clinton says she is fighting for so much?
How can you really care about what she says she cares about if you are so willing to knowingly work against what Clinton says she is fighting for by either sitting it out or voting McCain?
Either you are a Rush Limbaugh troll, or an intellectually fraud (not that those are mutually exclusive). In either case, you are simply full of shit.
(emphasis mine)
June 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take your spam bullshit elsewhere, please.
June 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't take anything for granted. Call the Democratic Party in your area. Become a neighborhood leader and start RIGHT NOW canvassing folks identified as strong Democrats. Get these folks to give the Party--and Obama--a few hours every week. Take advantage of the good weather and Daylight Savings Time.
Organize them and get them out on the streets in your neighborhood. Talk, resiter voters, handle all questions and concerns. Talk to them about Obama and how he will be good for America and for their personal situation. Don't lie. Tell the truth always. If needed, pull in party hotshots to handle a voter's problem.
Afraid to do this? Team up with someone and just start talking to your neighbors. It's not hard and you'll meet some great folks and, best of all, they will live close to you.
Get crackin' folks. Best, cube.
June 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have been watching the polls for some time. McCain has a hard time getting about 45. I am not sure that his ceiling isn't around 45-46. If that is the case and given the expected low Republican turnout the election could be a blow out.
June 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
This poll doesn't even take into account the Bob Barr effect, does it? That should peel at least another 2-3 points off McSame's numbers.
June 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woo Hoo! In your face, Space Coyote!
June 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marioth - Japs? Do you mean N. Vietnam? Japs was WWII.
June 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think s/he was talking about when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
June 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too early to mean much. Watch the battleground states.
Nice to be on top, tho...
June 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, the McCain banner at the top of the page ("OK to talk unconditionally...") reminds me of the banners that promise a free computer or Victoria Secret goodies "if you act now and participate in our exclusive poll".
I'm not sure, but wouldn't merely clicking on the banner raise the numbers and "validate" him more no matter the answer?
June 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
if you thought iwas alone... you are wrong. we are a coalition of millions with one thing in common: NObama
this should not bother most here as you have all said we are not real democrats and you don't need us anyway.
June 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The election will be taking place without you.
June 9, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
AKA: Michelle McGee
June 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you ever really respected Clinton's positions on the issues, and agree with them, then you can't help McCain get elected. She made that point herself on Saturday.
If you didn't actually care about Clinton's positions on issues, then it was just about identiy and personality issues for you. Vote for whoever you want.
Even if you think that Clinton was "robbed" it wasn't Obama who did it. He's been very gracious in courting Clinton supporters. It was the DNC and the primary process. If you want to be productive, why don't you stop sulking and work to reform the primary system.
June 9, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks accused you of not being a real Democrat? Well, it's good to see what lengths you will go to to prove them right. Thanks.
June 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, the sky is falling!
June 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bump that Obama gets comes from two separate sources. First, there are those truly undecided or uninterested voters who are influenced by whoever has the latest good press. Then there are those hardcore Hillary voters who were previously casting a protest vote against Obama in the polls.
The significance of this is that after this upswing in the polls starts to wane, those converted Hillary protest voters will still be here. The Obama bump should have better staying power than what one would normally expect. I expect, based on nothing other than it sounds right, that the new baseline after this settles out will be Obama 55% to McCain 45%.
June 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle-
It is true there have been nasty comments and there is NO EXCUSE for them to be directed at the mass of Hillary supporters as a whole. Ridiculous to generalize about the whole of Obama supporters as it is Clinton's. In fact, I wouldn't do it about most of the folks here either.
June 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feed the trolls.
Instead, how about this idea:
Troll Funds for Obama!
See LAFilmEditor...
June 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd also like to add-
I'm an Obama supporter but I've never held anything against those who supported Clinton and i suspect that most Obama supports (and Clinton in reverse)feel the same. It is the candidates that receive most of the pariase of criticism-not the supporters, IMO.
June 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Expect Obama's numbers to go through the roof when he does a foreign country tour. Everyone wants to be liked, and for once in a long long while we'll have the international crowd cheering FOR the U.S.
June 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT voter:
the gut who made that offer had better start saving lots of money because the grassroots battle for the democratic party has just begun.
June 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, the battle for the Democratic Party is OVER.
Now, the question is: are you a Democrat or Republican?
Pro-choice or pro-life?
Pro-environment or for global warming?
pro-Peace or pro-War?
Pro-Obama or Pro-McCain?
June 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The final question now is:
Are You A Republican,
Or An American?
June 9, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Bro I am Republican and I support Obama!!!!
So are you saying all Reps are Bad?Evil?Racist?
Ignorant people???
June 10, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Troll Fund for Obama is really reserved for hateful, bigoted troll posts (see RaeK, Matthew Weaver)... not vapid political argument.
Thanks for your submission, though!
June 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You haven't been reading enough "Michelle", have you?
June 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Battle for the grass roots?!!!!!"
The biggest reason your heroine lost is not sexism, media bias, or even the erratic (soon-to-be ex?) husband, it is that she couldn't get anywhere with the grass roots. Didn't she deride caucuses, the very embodiment of grass-roots politics?
June 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
AKA: Michelle McGee
June 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you ever really respected Clinton's positions on the issues, and agree with them, then you can't help McCain get elected. She made that point herself on Saturday.
If you didn't actually care about Clinton's positions on issues, then it was just about identiy and personality issues for you. Vote for whoever you want.
Even if you think that Clinton was "robbed" it wasn't Obama who did it. He's been very gracious in courting Clinton supporters. It was the DNC and the primary process. If you want to be productive, why don't you stop sulking and work to reform the primary system.
June 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
As my friend wilder pointed out, we need an election-stealing-proof margin. This needs to be a blow out or we need to save all of our money for the lawyers.
June 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a Clinton supporter whw's undecided between Obama and McCain.
But everytime I read one of the smug Obama supporters ripping on Hillary with talk of trolls or a troll fund pushes me more towards McCain.
This psuedo-intellectual attitude that many Obama supporters have when it comes to Hillary or now McCain will push many Clinton people into McCains camp.
Instead of acting like Obama is so superior to anyone else only idiots and trolls would vote against him, why don't you try appealing to voters beyond the left wing of the Democratic party
June 9, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Troll Fund has nothing to do with Hillary... it's reserved for hateful, bigoted posts on this forum.
June 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have four names for you to consider. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas. If you like their opinions for the corporations and against civil and reproductive rights and individual liberties, vote McCain. He has already promised more just like them.
I am sorry, a lot of Obama voters don't have much patience with the self-indulgence of the Hillary fans. Their self-indulgent self-importance is just a little too much to bare. We have a nation to save. We can't take four more years. Hillary lost. Deal with it.
June 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
One other thing: the web is often juvenial. A vast majority of Obama supporters have no idea that this site even exists. They're out talking to neighbors and organizing off-line.
If you feel like you might eventually be inclined to like Obama, don't read too much into what you see here. This is not a representative sample.
Just a lot of worked up people who have just gone through the whole nomination process. You don't have to like/agree/or listen to us in order to support Obama.
June 9, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, every time one of you says you'll vote for McCain, this is what I hear:
You're willing to force my family to make do with expensive, inadequate health insurance, when we can afford insurance at all.
You're willing to sacrifice the life of my soldier cousin in a senseless war you say you oppose.
You're willing to take away the reproductive rights of my daughters.
You're willing to keep the public schools, public transit, and public health in my city as shitty as they can possibly be.
You're willing to make my parents and in-laws pay exorbitant prices for prescription drugs, and to choose which bill they have to leave unpaid every month to afford them.
You're willing to shove American workers - me, my kids, my family, everybody I know - further down the slide into poverty.
If you'd vote for all that just to make some point about how you feel your pet candidate was treated in the primaries (or worse, how you've been treated on the Internet), then I have nothing to say to you except "grow up" and "fuck you." You're the enemy. You're Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, George Bush. If you want to go march along with those assholes, forgive me if I don't grovel and beg you to stay.
(All the examples above are real members of my family.)
June 9, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry LA, but its laughable to think it's not directed an Hillary.
The only time I've seen the term used on this forum is to denigrate some post by a Hillary supporter.
If I'm wrong, please show me where an Obama supporters has been termed an troll when going overboard on Hillary.
June 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comments are always directed at RAEK, et al. There's a regular crowd of Republican trolls who post here. They have a record of posting offensive and disgusting comments.
You want to interpret my reaction as somehow directed at Senator Clinton? I would suggest that you read RAEK, Michelle, MarkSimmons, "Present", and REgistered User a little more carefully. Perhaps people's reactions might not seem so wrongly directed at Senator Clinton and more correctly directed at the commenter in question.
June 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. It's highly doubtful most of these people are actually Clinton supporters. There are plenty of thoughtful Clinton supporters on this site. There are also about 5 people who pose as such who just post vile claptrap that is not pro-Hillary, really, but anti-Obama, most with serious racial overtones. Before you get offended, please read the posts of Rae, including the Clinton supporters condemning her.
June 10, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
KevinH-
You now have two choices this November:
1) Vote for McCain who stands opposed to 95% of Clinton's policies and represents another 4 years of Bush
or
2) Vote for Obama who stands in agreement with 95% of Clinton's policies and represents 4 years of change
Stop blaming your choice on other people and take responsibility for it yourself.
June 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
There have been a lot of legit conservative trolls on this site - not Clinton supporters.
Other times Obama and Clinton supporters have had it out with each other. It's been unfortunate, with guilt on both sides, but it's hopefully coming to a close now.
June 9, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not quite Eric.
The question is whether Obama will be able to increase, sustain, or lose his lead
Damn. That about covers it dontcha think
June 9, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain had a really bad week last week, with his terrible speech the night when Obama won the nomination and then being contradicted by local press in New Orleans about whether or not he voted against aid packages to the city, among other things. You'd expect him to leak support if he was
doing this badly.
Alex
June 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks; If you think the race is really close now, image how much better Senator McCain would be doing if he were still alive!
June 9, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
BUMB?? WHat bump??
No bump here....
These polls show Obama is in big doodoo!
June 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see basic math and numbers eludes you.
June 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
June 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
you are right. that Olive Stone film may do some damage to McCain's campaign. who knows, but the press will cover it because its about Bush and politics. and I like that 'Nick Fury' avatar of yours. i didnt like the end of Iron Man with Sam Jackson as the 'new' Nick Fury. cant they keep the characters the way they were written!
June 9, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a bump. It's a Dap.
Wait...
June 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must see video. Obama talks to his campaign team in Chicago. Inspiring.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bnhmByYxEIo
June 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Brooks knows as much about politics as my grandmother..and she's dead.
June 9, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll get happy when it gets to double digits.
June 9, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am a hillary supporter who will vote for mccain most likely. i just think he best represents my way of thinking and personal values. i am just not sure that obama is ready enough for the pressure and responsibilities. if people don't talk real nicely to me i will never be able to embrace their candidate. we hillary supporters demand total subserviance in the face of our defeat. obama must apologise. i still won't vote for him though.
June 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you give less than a shit about any of the things Hillary Clinton claims to be a fighter for, up to and including making sure Roe v. Wade is not overturned. For you it is nothing but a vitriolic cult-of-personality fanboy/girl thing and not about positions, principles, policy, or governance.
Any Clinton supporter who claims that they are either sitting it out or voting McCain, who is the polar-opposite of what Clinton says she stands and fights for, is an utter fraud.
So why do you support Clinton yet hate everything Clinton says she is fighting for so much?
How can you really care about what she says she cares about if you are so willing to knowingly work against what Clinton says she is fighting for by either sitting it out or voting McCain?
Someone who claims to be a Clinton supporter but thinking of voting McCain is either a Rush Limbaugh troll, or an intellectually fraud (not that those are mutually exclusive). In either case, such a person is simply full of shit.
(emphasis mine)
June 10, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
YES
June 10, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look for Bush to resign soon after the election and give Cheney some topdog experience, just to throw shit in the face of Dems.
If Bush or Cheney were to be incapacitated between now and late September, would the occupant of the oval office attempt to nominate a vice president to serve until January? Would the Congressional Democratic leadership refuse to move on the issue? They definitely would if POTUS were to nominate McCain to become VPOTUS before the election.
June 10, 2008 3:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It seems as if the initial coverage of Obama's victory never began. The coverage went from who will be the nominee directly to what will Hillary do to the question of whether Obama would be forced to take Hillary as a running mate to who will Obama choose as his vice president. In large measure the coverage of Obama's historic victory was more of an afterthought.
June 10, 2008 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
as a hillary supporter i was very offended by obama when he said "you are likeable enough hillary" i think it just shows what kind of a person he is. she has sacrificed so much and is under such pressure from the media as a woman. how could he say such a terrible thing? and his church is very crazy. and the commenters on this site are so angry. i just think mccain is closer to my values.
June 10, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
the coverage of obama's victory was lost in hillary's defeat but guess what? she is over and out. and that is real, permanent, and total. and sport coaches always deplore premature celebrations. so we can wait til election night for the big one.
June 10, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
even if obama apologises for his lies i just don't know if i can vote for him. i feel more comfortable with what mccain stands for as an american.
June 10, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas.
June 10, 2008 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas.'
Thank you for pointing that it. It can't be said strongly or frequently enough.
June 10, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Andyfrombrooklyn, a review of your recent posts show the following:
"i am hoping clinton makes an ever bigger ass of herself. i really want to see her fix the negativity of her campaign in the collective memory. politics considered. the bigger an ass she is the less likely she can force her way on the ticket." June 4th
"let's cut through the b.s. hillary is an incredibly negative person. she refused to take high minded risks but seemed to relish the low road even while doing ever more grievous injury to her reputation. go figure! good riddance!" June 6th
"the racial stuff and her intellectual dishonesty disqualifies hiillary from any future role in the administration." June 7th
"i am a hillary supporter who will vote for mccain most likely. i just think he best represents my way of thinking and personal values." June 9th
"as a hillary supporter i was very offended by obama when he said "you are likeable enough hillary" i think it just shows what kind of a person he is. she has sacrificed so much and is under such pressure from the media as a woman. how could he say such a terrible thing? and his church is very crazy. and the commenters on this site are so angry. i just think mccain is closer to my values." June 10
I agree with you on one point. I think your values are indeed closer to McCain.
June 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's better to be ahead than behind, but at this point, the polls mean nothing. After every significant event, a candidate receives a bump or a hit. It's usually transient. The important thing is to look for long term trends in series of polls.
June 10, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
kaneblues, i am very confused it is true. but surely you agree obama must apologise.
June 10, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
kaneblues, i kind of see myself as a maverick. maybe that is why i am leaning towards mccain.
June 10, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kevin, Please let's just look at the candidate and what he is saying and not what some of the people here are. I'm an Obama supporter and I can only imagine your disappointment. Many have succumbed to the "30-second sound bite" and there are a lot of flip remarks here. I hope that you will not attribute these views to Obama. Just look at the issues and the candidates positions on the issues and let that be your guide not the views of posters on these sites. Please don't let yourself be "pushed" by anyone into making a decision out of frustration or resentment. Too many times in the past people have voted without considering the issues and positions and have yielded to emotions and resentments. Just get the facts and if after that you decide to vote for John McCain then you will have made the right decision for you.
June 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink