Poll: Obama Leads McCain, Dominates In Key Demographics
Barack Obama leads John McCain 47%-41% in the latest NBC/Wall St. Journal poll, just outside the the ±3.1% margin of error and consistent with other polls giving Obama a post-primary bump.
More importantly, Obama is ahead with key demographics where his electability had previously been questioned. Obama leads among women 52%-33%, with Catholics 47%-40%, among independents 41%-36%, and even 47%-42% with blue-collar workers.
And contrary to the idea that his poor primary performances among Hispanics reflected an electability problem, he now leads 62%-28% with that group -- well ahead of John Kerry's 53%-44% advantage in 2004.
John McCain's big advantage is with white men, where he leads 55%-35% -- the only reason the race is as close as it is, according to the pollster's analysis.















You mischief making motherf*ckers are on fire today! Thats what I'm talking about!!
June 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
How delightful to witness months worth of unsubstantiated pundit-sputtered nonsense finally discredited. :)
June 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
AMEN! =)
June 11, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.
New avatar again? I like it.
June 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 11, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! You mean that just because voters in a particular demographic segments preferred Clinton to Obama in a primary, they nonetheless prefer Obama to McCain? Holy Cow! I'm just absolutely gobsmacked! Who could possibly have predicted this? It's unprecedented in the history of electoral politics! I was just sure that Obama's inability to make inroads into these groups during the primary meant he could not carry them in the general. Gobsmacked. It's almost enough to make a body think that the so-called "analysts" on the cable news shows don't know what the frak they're talking about!"
June 11, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I am an aging single lawyer named Steve with a place name in my handle, but I've never slept with anyone named Quiche.
June 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Mr. Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve. What you need to understand, Steve, is that the networks and MSM newspapers are not in the business of reporting news. They are in the business of providing viewers and readers to advertisers. The MSM are better understood as public theater. The narrative is the thing, the drama. From their standpoint it is dumb and unprofitable to point out anything that takes the fizz out of the tension. I've spent my adult life writing fiction--more than two dozen novels. In those occasions where I wrote a slack stretch or episode that lacked the juice needed for the my readers to keep turning the pages, my editors let me know about it. We all know that Barack Obama is likely going to win this thing. But the ratings and readership surveys depend on the ability of the producers and editors to make us believe that McBush, a total, unrelieved moron, might actually win.
June 11, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. That's kind of what I said in the old diary I rather egotistically linked to.
June 12, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on point. Their job is to fill up time and entertain. When I'm in a waiting room and I look for the oldest news magazines and skim through what the pundits were saying months and months ago. They're always wrong.
June 13, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would be ultra-radical mega-bitchen to see a fifty state landslide victory by a DEM.
June 11, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
After this election, we'll have a lot more data from which to expand on Elaine Kamarck's influential work.
I, for one, can't wait to see the results.
June 11, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is great news. You guys should put the pollster.com average back up in your sidebar... I wonder if the the blue line will break 50% soon :)
Hopefully Obama's post-primary bump will last better than Kerry's did in 2004. I think there is good reason to believe it will-- the long primary means Obama is already much better vetted than Kerry ever was, whereas as of right now the media hasn't taken a good long look at McCain in awhile. Obama has plenty of room to go up still...
June 11, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last I looked Barack was at 62% and McSame not even breaking 40% (maybe about 36%).
So the bets are clearly on Obama!
June 11, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for McCain making any hay from the prolonged Dem primary. All that time off, and what did he do? Watch Gunsmoke reruns?
First round byes might be nice in football, but not in politics.
June 11, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You wouldn't know it from the coverage. Of course, all people want to talk about is white suburban women -- can he get them?????
Whoever says Obama still gets overly positive coverage is smoking something.
June 11, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
White suburban women not supporting Obama when the alternative is McCain? I don't believe it.
MCCain is a non-starter in this demographic. So-called soccer moms really, really don't like the concept of being called the "C" word. Nor do they like the idea that McCain needs cannon fodder to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Nor do they think it is "unimportant" when the troops come home. And most of them, even in the Bible Belt, think that pro-choice or pro-life is a decision for women to make.
I want to know what question was asked by the pollsters, and how it was phrased.
June 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Suburban women also hate McCain's treatment of his first wife, with whom they can easily identify.
June 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure those stories are all that well-known. Someone needs to start spreading this info among those groups...
June 12, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's still got work to do. Not as much as McCain has, but Obama has his work cut out for him. He's got to connect more with whites -- both men and women but particularly men -- if he wants a landslide victory. He has to do better among Catholics and blue-collar voters if he wants a landslide victory.
Of course, even if he were ahead by double digits, that's no reason to celebrate. We never had a President Dukakis.
June 11, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
White guys are gonna be a problem. Like I told my wife, most white males see McCain as the "man's man." He's a war vet, dumped a frumpy wife for a hot trophy blonde who just happens to be a multi-millionaire from...(drum roll) beer sales!
That's what Obama has to overcome. Tough!
McCain can have those voters as far as I'm concerned. This white guy is an Obama backer all the way!
June 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
dude, you've almost sold me on mccain. only my 1 year old was being a ham giving shoulder shrugging clueless looks. he looked a lot like mccain.
i can't watch my boy's troubles with the shape sorter without thinking that he still might be better than mccain.
June 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Priceless!! McCain/Toddler '08!
June 11, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No offense intended to the "white guy" demographic, but here are a few favorite quotes from a classic member of said group:
"Lisa: It's awful being a kid. No one listens to you.
Abe: It's rotten being old. No one listens to you.
Homer: I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone
listens to me -- no matter how dumb my suggestions
are.
Homer: Uh, Lisa, the whole reason we have elected
officials is so we don't _have_ to think all the time.
Just like that rainforest scare a few years back: our
officials saw there was a problem and they fixed it,
didn't they?
Homer: My campaign is a disaster, Moe. I hate the
public so much. If only they'd elect me, I'd make them
pay." ........
June 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone know if Bush carried "white guys" in 2004?
June 11, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peter Griffin "I'm a Paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points. I can use my helm of disintegration and do one D4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his plus-five holy avenger."
Lois Griffin: "Paladin's can't use the helm of disintegration."
Peter Griffin: "Oh. Then, I'm a black guuuuy."
June 11, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the funniest moments of the show.
June 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice latte art, Evie!
Let's not get all jacked up just yet. Kerry had some pretty big leads over W back in 04. But as I remember, he lost in November.
June 11, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who do you think will win?
Obama 54%
McCain 30%
"This is a time when it is important to look for a person who will bring greater changes to the current policies even if he is less experienced and tested,"
54%
"This is a time when it is important to look for a more experienced and tested person even if he brings fewer changes to the current policies,"
42%
June 11, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm concerned by Obama's inability to connect with Republicans.
Many polls show McCain leading among this group.
June 11, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This could be a fatal flaw.
June 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh woe is us!
June 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bad, very bad. He might lose the election.
June 11, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recently saw that McSame is significantly behind in the BEER veto... Um, I mean VOTE demographics.
June 12, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
But...but...but...William Jennings Bryan! Jimmy Carter!
June 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's really missing out here - where are the Bush/McCain/Polk comparisons we've been waiting for?
June 11, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dropping that William Jennings Bryant line might help a guy put the moves on Doris Kearns Goodwin, but it's not going to accomplish much else.
June 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
uh, Bryan.
There go my chances with Doris.
June 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It has nothing to do with Obama, sillies.
It's because of Scarlett Johansson. Duh.
June 11, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're not mocking the basis for my decision to support Obama!!!
June 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ....
June 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is encouraging, although there will be ups and downs before Obama ultimately wins in a landslide.
June 11, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's biggest problem is that Americans have an increasingly pessimistic view of their financial prospects for the next four years. The statistics repeatedly bear out that the more money people expect to earn, the more they vote Republican, despite all the other social issues, because they want lower taxes. They'll even re-elect George W. Bush, the worst president in history, rather than risk a tax bump.
But at times like this, when the middle quantiles of the country fear for their jobs and their incomes, they scramble under the Democratic umbrella en masse.
Barack will win all the states that Kerry won except possibly Connecticut. He will also win Missouri, Colorado, New Mexico, and Iowa.
That gives him 271 and the win. Absolutely guaranteed.
Ohio and Virginia will be toss-up states. It's more than likely Barack win one of those and it won't even be close. I don't think North Carolina and Indiana are really in play but I'd love to be proven wrong.
June 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed on all counts, except I think he could take IN. Polling there is still wavering and could turn in his favor once he's campaigning full speed.
June 12, 2008 6:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
This kind of raw data is much more interesting than the aggregate polls. The aggregate polls all assume certain turnout models which will almost certainly be proven wrong in November. This data you can see different result based on what you think the turnout model should be.
June 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember gotalife? He was fun. I wish he'd come back.
June 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was trying to post a comment earlier this afternoon saying how we've seem to be relatively troll free as of late but kept getting error messages.
I guess the TPM Gods were preventing me from tempting fate.
June 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMFAO, yes. I wonder where he went. I thought he'd be gloating in the win of his candidate. Oh wait...
June 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I was just thinking about him and how we gave ol Eric a hard time about his lack of posting about Sen. Obama. **cough, cough** His bias for HRC.
Looks like Eric finally saw the light!It took a little while but he finally was able to squeak out a positive post for Sen. Obama.
June 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dijamo, gotalife, fogu2, HillaryClinton08, Marginal Player, Matthew Weaver - they've all been absent since Hillary's speech.
June 11, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is true.
June 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
dijamo's been on the fossella threads. speaking of which, i don't like the way he dresses, either.
June 11, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
apparently someone finally got goat's goat.
June 11, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
rstephen, that cheeky little monkey hasn't been around either. But we are getting alot of cut and paste preemptive "I told you so" rants from Aimey May. Regardless, it seems to be dwindling, that is, until the next hyped up drama from the msm.
June 11, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not worried about Mathew. Artists and sociopaths always survive hard times. I just hope that hedgehog he wore for a rug has been set free to return to its family in the forest. And I hope that those babies he kidnapped while posing as a doctor have been released uneaten.
June 11, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Caution! Careful you don't diss dijamo. She has been a spirited Clinton supporter, but she's also committed to getting people elected who will advance a progressive agenda. So please be respectful.
As for the truly toxic ones -- marginal, ottoF, Weaver, michelle (who has disguised herself on this thread by using correct spelling, punctuation and grammar for a change) -- I don't miss the gratuitous name-calling and McCain campaigning.
There is a new one who arrived a week or two ago -- named Jacob Freeze. Yow. I'm hoping he'll get discouraged by a lack of attention and move on soon.
June 12, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep in mind that this is a bump. I expect McCain to close the gap a bit, but I also expect him to go down in flames come November.
Putting McCain's growing list of flip-flops aside, if he has any "senior moments" during this election, then Obama will run the board as well as Reagan did in the 1980s. More states will be in play than at any time in recent memory.
June 11, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even when Obama was getting the sink thrown at him from Clinton, McCain could still barely get out of the low 40s in polls.
June 11, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mcbush has already had a bunch of gaffes and "senior moments" in the last week and a half and we are just getting warmed up. Can you imagine what it will be like by november? Holy freaking cow. Especially in light of the fact that he had 3 months off. It could only get worse.
June 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is very, very good news. Especially after all the trash and garbage slung the last 5 months. The numbers will only get better. I will bet a lunch that obama breaks 350 in the electoral college in november. Any takers?
June 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Obama is a very lucky man. He lucked out in who he is going up against. This would be a much closer contest if Senator McCain had lived to take him on.
No one did more for The Jurassic than John McCain.
June 11, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember back in January thinking Romney would be much more beatable than McCain. Now I'm not so sure...at least Mittens can read a teleprompter and smile without visible strain.
June 11, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/U_of_Iowa_Students_for_Hillary_CoChairs_endorse_McCain_McKinney.html
That's the first and last time you'll see McKinney listed as a close alternative to McCain.
June 11, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pathetic.
June 11, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently the Co-chairs did not get the memo - Unity and WE need to help Elect Barack Obama from Hillary.
June 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, ain't that cute.
Here's hoping lil Cody and Nikki will do the right thing and enlist so that their hero, McBombEverybody, can send their idiot asses to the Sunni Triangle to scrape brains off the sides of Humvees. I'm sure the natives will be mighty impressed with Cody's tales of dorm room heroism, like that time the milk steamer on the espresso maker jammed and he went without white chocolate lattes for a whole week.
June 11, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friend of Hillary Clinton? Didn't McCain make that joke calling Chelsea Clinton ugly?
June 12, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The spread between these two will get wider after McCain throws a rod some Sunday morning and kills Tim Russert with his bare hands out of anger at being sanbagged with his own words on videotape. This will send the posters at Lucienne Goldberg's site into rapture
June 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like our chances of building on these numbers.
June 12, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Heidi's website.
Possibly the most intense phone conversation I have ever had
Many people have been waiting to hear what Senator Clinton and her campaign's immediate plans are. I have just got off a call with Terry McCauliffe, Senate Clinton's National Campaign Director and Jonathan Mantz, her National Finance Director. The other participants were top fundraisers in the midatlantic region.
First some key information:
* Senator Clinton does indeed have enormous primary debt that she must retire and that is a key focus for her staff right now.
* Any money donated to Senator Clinton's campaign at her website goes to that retire the debt, so long as those funds are coming from people not already maxed out to the primary.
* If you are maxed out to the primary, and you donate to the website, you will be asked, eventually, if that money can be reallocated to Senator Clinton's campaign fund for reelection to the U.S. Senate in 2012. The campaign's legal team says that money cannot go to retire the debt but it means that Senator Clinton and her supporters can focus on the debt and free her from worry about funds for that Senate race, which itself would cost at $20 million. (A note from me, NOT the campaign: should Senator Clinton end up running for President, either this election year or in 2012, she could ask donors if she could use funds from her Senate campaign war chest for that purpose.
Now to the rest of the call's substance: Rest assured, neither Terry nor Jonathan nor any of the people who spoke on the call (including me) are happy with the D.N.C.'s treatment of Senator Clinton. However as always on calls like this, Jonathan started by thanking us for our help and for being on the call today; he and Terry noted major goals achieved during the past eighteen months. And then they opened the call to questions.
This is when things got as intense as I have heard on almost any phone call I have participated on in my life, professional or personal.
Many commented that Senator Obama had not said a word to stop the abusive treatment she received during this campaign season. Much bigger fish than I who were on the call explained that neither they nor their "networks" would contribute a dime to the D.N.C. any time soon and nobody I heard was stepping up to raise money for Senator Obama. Speaker after speaker made it crystal clear that they and their contacts simply will not accept the current state of affairs regarding the D.N.C. and Senator Obama's treatment of Senator Clinton.
As always, Terry and Jonathan really listened. Terry McAuliffe himself said that he has never seen a major candidate treated so disgracefully - "like dirt" - by the media, and he is well aware that Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Senator Obama did not raise a finger to object.
Terry encouraged those of us still willing to work to put a Democrat in the White House to work "with and through" Senator Clinton, to stick with her. He and Jonathan put no pressure on people not to work with PACs or even with McCain, but they made it clear that if one's priority is to empower Senator Clinton than anything one does for the general election should be done via events she will sponsor.
For myself, after the call I communicated to the campaign the following three points:
* I am going to get Senator Clinton's debt retired, singlehandedly if I have to.
* I would urge Senator Clinton not to be careless with the political support she has accrued with voters by jumping in too quickly to raise money for either Senator Obama or the D.N.C.; I will respect her choices no matter what, but my network cannot be counted upon to do so.
* The Clinton staff should always feel free to call upon me any time to ask me to do anything for Senator Clinton. I am always willing to be asked, even if I cannot say yes. I have already booked a stay in Denver for the convention week to be there "live" come what may.
As for what may come, it is clear that much is up in the air. Senator Clinton is NOT releasing her delegates. She and Senator Obama have not broached the topic of the vice-presidency; indeed, the two campaigns have just begun trying to find a time to schedule a joint appearance by Senator Obama and Senator Clinton. There will be such a joint appearance.
Senator Clinton does remain firm in her conviction that it is best for the country and best for her politically to have a Democrat in the White House. She will act on that conviction. Furthermore, she will campaign for downstream Democrats who supported her during the primary season. Of these measures, all I can say is that I would expect nothing less from a person of Senator Clinton's integrity, grace, and loyalty.
June 12, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
June 12, 2008 6:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS ECXCELLANT NEWS!!!FOR MC CAIN!!!
June 12, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering all the attention given to the question of what Clinton supporters would do, it's a bit odd that this little nugget from the poll would be overlooked here.
Obama is ahead among those who said they voted for Clinton in the Democratic primaries (61-19).
June 12, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ongoing sour grapes by the Clinton folks. If she had a coherent message and was the least bit genuine, or even if she ran a competent campaign notwithstanding her credibility deficits, she would have won the nomination and none of these folks would be hiding behind the bogus Evil Hillary-Hating Media argument today. Face it: you backed the loser, who lost on the merits within the framework of the contest. Move on already. Meanwhile, it's nice to see her time freed up so she can continue to lobby for the gas tax holiday. She's been tireless on that issue since she bowed out . . .
June 12, 2008 6:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
More magnanimity from the Obama Borg.
Perhaps you should be thanking Hillary instead of insulting her. It's likely that a large portion of Obama's bounce--historically puny as it is--can be attributed to her endorsement.
June 12, 2008 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
We should all learn from your magnanimous example
June 12, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
+13 in Wisconsin!!!!!!
June 12, 2008 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary who?
June 12, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, doubling the "margin of error" number and discounting any lead that is smaller than that result is Terry McAuliffe style math - and greatly misleading. The margin of error is always reported in these type of polls, and it's most useful as simply a way of reminded us that there is going to be some uncertainty in the result; a difference that is within the margin of error is less reliable than one that isn't, of course. But it isn't a magic cut-off between significant and insignificant.
A lead this wide is not just barely statistically significant - it is real.
The odds are 97.87% that Obama really leads McCain in the entire population from which NBC/WSJ pulled their sample.
More margin of error discussion, by Kevin Drum:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004536.php
June 12, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is just the beginning. The tide toward a filabuster-proof Democratic Senate has turned in our favor. Watching Bush/McCain and Republicans in general pay the price for their corruptions, incompetencies and malfeasances is going to be a once in a lifetime experience of pure exaltation.
June 13, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta say, I'm glad Hispanics came home.
June 13, 2008 3:44 AM | Reply | Permalink