« Obama: McCain Has Failed Us On Energy "For Decades" | Home | Michelle Obama To Keynote Her First Fundraiser For The Democratic National Committee »

Poll: Obama And McCain Tied -- In Deep-Red Indiana!

Now this is something. A new SurveyUSA poll shows that Barack Obama is tied with John McCain in Indiana, a state that hasn't gone Democratic since the Lyndon Johnson landslide of 1964.

The numbers: Obama 48%, McCain 47%, within the ±4% margin of error. For some perspective, George W. Bush won this state by a whopping 60%-39% margin in 2004.

The Obama campaign made news a few days ago by sending a top staffer to this red state, and Indiana has also been included in their first big ad campaign of the general election.

Meanwhile, a separate SurveyUSA poll also puts Obama narrowly ahead in New Mexico by 49%-46%, within the ±4.3% margin of error in a traditional swing state that went for Gore in 2000 and then Bush in 2004.


105 Comments

| Leave a comment

Told you he would rock. ;)

But! But! But he's unelectable!

user-pic

That Newsweek poll might not be an outlier.

I think the punditocracy's been too quick to dismiss Newsweek. State poll after state poll suggests that something's going on out there that the more blunt national polling may not be picking up


And it explains why Charlie Black's been sending frantic emails to Ayman al-Zawahiri


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062302135.html

user-pic

SHRINK YOUR PERSONAL PIC GOD DAMN IT!

Wouldn't be the first time the MSM refused to believe data indicating a tsunami. Remember 2006? Despite all the data pointing that way, the MSMers were still predicting maybe 15 or 16 pickups in the House, maybe cut in to the Republican majority a bit in the Senate, but any talk of taking back both houses was just naive netroot kookytalk.

Maybe they were just playing dumb because they thought a tighter race would be more fun to cover or were scared of being called "biased," but it looked a lot more like they were just mesmerized by Karl Rove's snakey gaze.

user-pic

Winning enough to control the senate in 2006 was almost a miracle. Even most of us thought that was unlikely.

The Tester and Webb races could have easily gone the other way, and I'm not sure Webb could have gotten Virginians to take a good look at him without Macaca.

user-pic

Tena? Can Texas be far behind?

I think we could win Texas if we had Richardson as VP. Without him it would probably be fairly close, but I'm not sure if Obama could close that on his own, maybe.

user-pic

That was my first thought -

We're working on getting Cornyn bounced through Noriega. Which would be an amazing tuning point.

Then we have to hold responsible Silvestre Reyes and Lamar Smith, the wizard sponsors of the Telecom immunity amendment.

This combined with the latest embarrassment to the GOP of the "Obama button", it's envisionable that the Republican party my suffer low turnout in my region.

*my suffer = may suffer.

But really...what's the difference.

Do you mean BIG JOHN CORNYN! I saw on YouTube that man eats raw steel and craps iron!

first of all lets be realistic texas he isn't going to win. Indiana even though an obvious red state is up for grabs mainly because of the chicago media market that indiana gets. One thing i do bet is that obama will win every state bordering Illinois.

http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/lets-play-the-blame-game/

user-pic

You aren't votenic, but your posting behavior sure seems like the second coming of votenic.

Some polls have shown him not far behind, and Texas has been getting bluer. I really think if we had Richardson on the ticket we'd stand a damn good chance of taking Texas, especially at the rate Obama is tearing up McCain, it will be a landslide by the time he is done.

Not that we should get overconfident. Keep working hard til the very end, and keep donating!

user-pic

Man, even I'm not that brazen with linking to my own blog posts. Goodness.

user-pic

I love your avatar.

Illinois borders Kentucky. They'll be selling hot chocolate and mittens in Hell before he wins there. Though it could be under 10.

Uhh... Illinois borders Kentucky?

If you really want to troll TPM, you should first think about obtaining a cursory knowledge of American geography.

What would be far easier, though, would be to put your time to some productive use. Maybe adopt a mile of the local interstate or write letters to shut-ins?

user-pic

paducah, KY is on the IL border. and i only point this out cause you're a jerk.

user-pic

although i am fond of your second name.

user-pic

NCSteve is a troll? Coulda fooled me.

And, not to pile on, or anything, but you might want to look at a map before you start dissing the geographical knowledge of another commenter...

I'm thinking this little comment of yours could be an entry in the old "Was My Face Red" column that used to appear in, what, 17?

How elitist not to know where a place like Kentucky is!

Kentucky's in Canada, right?

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! FOR McSAME!!!!

About 1/3 of Indiana is Obama's 'homestate' in terms of media market and his time spent in the primaries really paid off. Plus he has a massive ground game in any state that is primarily within a few hours of Chicago. He put it to work in the primary (he did much better in these states (MO,WI,MN,IN) than any of the polls predicted) and it is still paying huge dividends.

Chronospark and I talked about IN about a week ago and believed it would start leaning for Obama. I think it's part of a Rust Belt phenomena that's gonna start turn purpley-blue. It's about the economy and the Repubs have not been kind to these States. They're looking for a change and they may be willing to give Obama a chance. He needs to start campaigning hard in these States and hit that economy message.

Indeed we did. 'Twas a good time. ;D

I was impressed with how Obama did in Indiana during the May primary, especially the fact that he won Ft. Wayne.
Ohio would have been far kinder to Obama in the March primary had Ted Strickland not campaigned so hard for Hillary. Without Strickland's strong backing, I believe Obama could have won the Ohio primary, in spite of the problems he had with race-based voting in SE and southern Ohio.

Fun, huh? And the polls are rolling in...And the map is slowly getting bluer...

Fortunately, all those Limbaugh voters who voted against Obama won't have Hillary's voters on the same side next time around. ;-)

I know one poll doesn't mean much this early out. But when pretty much every poll is saying the same thing, then it starts to carry significance.

So on Nov. 4 will we be singing:

Tonight I'm gonna party
Like it's Nine-teen Six-ty four!

Top 10 songs of 1964:

10. Last Kiss, Frankie Wilson
9. We'll Sing in the Sunshine, Gale Garnett
8. My Guy, Mary Wells
7. Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime, Dean Martin
6. I Get Around, Beach Boys
5. Pretty Woman, Roy Orbison
4. Hello Dolly, Louis Armstrong
3. She Loves You, Beatles
2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand, Beatles
1. Needles and Pins, Searchers

user-pic

That's a great group of songs... We could do worse than a party that begins with that list.

I was 10 when all those songs came out and I remember everyone of them!
Wouldn't It Be Nice?!

Well, it was from the 60s too...

user-pic

Can you say "landslide"? I knew you could.

I said the L-word back in March, during the primaries. If you looked back then at the turnout in Republican vs. Democratic primaries -- when both were still being contested -- you could see that even in some of the red states there were more Democrats voting than Republicans.

At the time I said I don't know whether that translates to November, but if it does, then the electoral vote won't even be close.

And I believe Obama will help the down-ticket races in these areas, too. I'm very much looking forward to it.

-- ARG

Indeed this is nice to see these, but it so early. I think we just need to be very careful.

I think what we need to take out of these polls is that It will force McBushSame to fight in every state, and he may end up not being able.

McBushSame is now forced to spend money in at least 20 red states,

Indiana
South: Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida
West: Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado
and others such as Arizona. I am also curious about Texas, and some other states. But we just need to be so careful, it is only June.

As a former Hoosier, I am amazed. But what I really want for Christmas is Arizona.

now this is some really news for polling results. It's early but Indiana would be a real plus for us in the fall! Make McFuddle spend his bucks where he doesn't want to....good news!

I always said Indiana was in the running, so this really doesn't surprise me that much. But glad to hear it, nonetheless. =)

As much as news like this makes me want to clap my hands and jump around like a dork - I don't want to get too wrapped up in these polls. Surely things look good now but polls aren't elections and 4 months is a long time in politics. (Think of what happened in the space of time from Iowa to Pennsylvania).

We need to donate and volunteer and be noisy supporters. Even if Obama is less than perfect, it shouldn't diminish efforts to get him elected because McCain really is a 3rd Bush term and if you can't get excited about Obama - then get excited about getting the freaking Republicans out of office.

user-pic

Yes, we do need to volunteer, and work. But go ahead, clap your hands, act like a dork, and consider that in 2004, at the same time (june 22 - June 24), the polling results were: Bush 52, Kerry 39.

: )

user-pic

OOo I love when someone posts that kind of contrast with '04. Thanks that made my day.

user-pic

OOo I love when someone posts that kind of contrast with '04. Thanks that made my day.

Try Hyper one poll is not enough proof but preoivus polls back in April and May also showed a very competive race in IN.

I mentioned in the previous entry about Indiana a few days ago that Indiana could be very much in play for a few reasons.

1-Next to Illinois
2-Obama is performing very well in the Midwest in general where he leads in MN, WI, MI, OH, IL, IA and MO.
3-The weeks and money he spent during the very competitive state primary in May.
4-Basketball (Okay...just kidding)

With numbers like these don't be suprised is Sen. Evan Bayh's name gets more mention for VP...I just have a strong feeling he might get the nod.

I was talking about the vast majority of polls being very positive for Obama right now, not just Indiana.

4-Basketball (Okay...just kidding)

I dunno.

Might be a legit point.

Hoosiers love hoopsters.

Could be...there was a reason Obama made a point of staging in basketball event in Indiana. Indiana is hoops crazed so it was a way for him to connect. I bet it's not the last time we see him on the court.

user-pic

But, but, Obama can't win Indiana or even compete there because he lost it in the Dem primary.

Look at the cross-tabs for Indiana. Obama is getting 44% of the white vote v. 51% for McCain. That's huge. If accurate and if he can retain that percentage - or even just 40% - he's got a very good chance of winning the state.

Looking at the cross tabs also brings me back to the questions I had about SUSA's Oregon poll from yesterday, which had Obama ahead by only 3. Their party ID breakdown - D/R/I - for NM is 48/36/14. For IN it's 36/38/19. But for Oregon, it was 42/41/15. Anybody else have a real hard time believing those Oregon numbers?

Actually, that might be fairly accurate. The Portland area is liberal, but much of the rest of the state is rural and more conservative.

I was under the impression that the lower Willamette River valley would also be prime for Obama: Salem, Eugene and Corvallis.
No?

That's true. Like California and Washington, the western portion of Oregon tends to be more liberal and as you travel inland to the east you find more rural and conservative areas. My original comment was an oversimplification, but the basic premise is true. And where CA and WA definitely lean liberal, OR is a bit more balanced...still liberal, but not as strongly so.

I think the Oregon Repugs have lost some of their ranks since those percentages were polled. And they were always more "liberal" than the national brimstoners. I think that state will go Obama if just everybody at that Portland rally in May (est 75.000) votes!

Good news, this.

I agree with you there seems to be a trend in the statewide polls in his direction. I agree with your caution in that this is just one poll early on.

I think we can say though that Indiana is a competitive state and Obama's focus on it is not just a head fake like some in the media think.

Agreed.

Whether he ultimately can win the state or not, Obama is once again going to force McCain to waste resources playing frenzied defense in a red state. A deep red state this time around, at that.

That, in a nutshell, is how you win. Get your oppontent playing defense deep in their own territory. Sooooo enjoyable to watch.

C'mon McCain, get those ad buys up in Indy. Heh.

Exactly. Obama is now making a strong enough showing in places like Georgia and Indiana that McCain has to watch his back there. If he is on defense in GA or IN, that amounts to money that he cannot spend going on offense in FL or VA. As such, even if we do not win in these harder to reach states like IN or GA, it still amounts to a victory if the competition there ends up costing McCain in real swing states.

Yeah, I'm surprised nobody else has deconstructed those Oregon numbers. The cross tabs stink like dead Klamath salmon. Three points back?! PLZ.

If Barry doesn't whoop up by at least six points in OR, I will eat a good shoe.

user-pic

I hope (and expect) we don't have to take you up on your offer. Besides, who could do it better than Werner Herzog?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081746/

Maybe a good shoe made out of cake, eh?

I do think your hunch is right though. McCain will get his clock cleaned in OR.

A Nike shoe, no doubt

I'll drink to that.

As someone else pointed out above, this actually validates the results of several polls that were reported in April and early May that showed Obama either close to or tied with McCain in Indiana. Clearly something special is going on for Obama in Indiana. Nationally Obama is currently running about 9 points ahead of Kerry’s 2004 performance, and he is also running 8-10 points ahead of Kerry’s performance in other nearby states such as Ohio, Wisconsin, and Minnesota—but in Indiana he is running about 20 points ahead of Kerry!

Landslide coming.

user-pic

There are a lot of older Mark Hatfield/Tom McCall Republicans in Oregon who haven't voted that way for president since Reagan, but still vote for the likes of Gordon Smith in the Senate. McCain's reputation and record appeals to this group enough that this poll doesn't surprise me.

I do believe that as they get to know more about both candidates that the movement will be in Obama's direction and that the he'll carry the state handily. Can we win the Senate seat too? Very tough but I think it can be done and I'll be out there doing what I can.

user-pic

Let us not get too cocky too early. There is a lot of work to do. We really need a giant Democratic turnout and a lot of coattails all the way down the ticket. I would love to see a giant swing in the house and a ten seat swap in the Senate. Impossible, maybe, but then again, maybe not.

Name Albert Gore as VP and watch 40+ states go Carolina blue.

Obama/Gore, or before the primaries, Gore/Obama, has always been the dream ticket.

user-pic

Do u guys think putting Bayh on the ticket would guarantee Indiana? How do you feel about him on the ticket?

I think Evan Bayh could almost guarantee Indiana.
I think he's a good man and a great senator.
However, I think in the larger context, he doesn't balance the ticket as well as someone else could since he's a Senator, like Obama, from another Midwestern state, like Obama.
Otherwise, he would be an excellent running mate.
But I don't see him as the choice for Veep.

I do think he would guarantee a narrow Indiana win. Bayh is extremely popular with noth DEMS and GOPers in Indiana. He is so formidable that the Incumbent GOP Senator decided to not run for re-election in 1998 rather than having to face Bayh.

With DEMS on the upswing nationwide and Obama being so competitive in IN so early, I really think Bayh would clinch it for him. For some reason I just have a feeling that he will be the VP candidate.

He is young, handsome, cleancut, squeaky clean, moderate, from contested Midwest region, a former governor and has 10 years Senate experience including spots on the Armed Services and Intelligence Committees. He is also a big Hillary ally.

user-pic

What bothers me a little about Bayh on the ticket is that he is not well known and therefore would not convey an experience factor which is an OB weakness. The geographical balance or unbalance does not bother me.

user-pic

He's been in good shape almost throughout this campaign season in Indiana, and let me tell you, there are a lot of Republican-leaning factory workers and farmers who are beyond ticked off at the way the rural economy has been hollowed out over the past decade. This is the stuff of realignment. It's just not happening everywhere and that's why things are still close overall. But Indiana is perhaps a perfect example of a Republican state that has been given the shaft under this administration.

That and Mitch Daniels and his privatization-at-all-costs mania have NOT gone over well.

Yes, yes, yes! Obama needs to start tapping into this in a big way.

no he won't. kentucky is a republican stronghold, regrettably. he won't win here. i'll be shocked if he does. Missouri is aother state that will be hard for him. I know he has Sen. MaCatskill (sp?) supporting him, but I'm ot sure he can win there.

We are fired up and working our butts off in Missouri. We WILL go blue in November.

McCaskill.

i agree. these early polls mean nothing

what happens in the primaries is not an indication of what will happen in the general election. For example, ho lost california and ma, but he will win those in the general. he losy MI, but I think he will win MI, and PA

While I think that Obama will do better than the national polls indicate and feel a landslide should be justified given the sorry state of the nation and our current incompetent leadership, this is going to be a tough campaign. We have to overcome the corporate, media filters which exaggerate even minor, missteps by Obama and swallow McCain whole. The GOP will try again to run a campaign of fear and try to make people uncomfortable with Barack. It is amazing how many people will vote against their own self-interest!

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. Because if Obama wins Kentucky (which does border Illinois) it'd be a blowout of such staggering proportions, I'd be happy to pay.

Uhh... Illinois borders Kentucky?

If you really want to troll TPM, you should first think about obtaining a cursory knowledge of American geography.

What would be far easier, though, would be to put your time to some productive use. Maybe adopt a mile of the local interstate or write letters to shut-ins?

Given the tenor of your post, I assume you're being deliberately dense, but Kentucky does border southeastern Illinois.

That being said, southern Illinois is a completely different animal from the northern part, and I wouldn't necessarily count on Obama doing well in the southern-connected states like Kentucky.

user-pic

Is there an echo in here?

Wow, the last time I was THIS WRONG it was REALLY embarrassing.

And to think, you did it twice! Both times with the same smug certitude of the clueless. Both times accusing the other person of being a troll.

Yep, you must feel pretty stupid right now. I sure would!

user-pic

Not to piss on the parade - I luuuuuuuuuuv these numbers too - but, it is early, this is reflective of a post-primary bump, and I predicts things well settle back a bit closer over the next few weeks or months, although Obama may still retain his lead.

Also, while folks are noting this will force McCain's hand in terms of defending traditionally red states, it will also force his hand in attacking Obama's character to a degree which would make even the swiftboater's blush. The 527's and local party bosses will do the dirty work, but it is coming, BIG TIME. Brace yourselves against the barrage that's about to come and don't be surprised if it is at least partially successful - especially in traditionally red states. So, get ready to fight the good fight, because these numbers are making it look easier than it's gonna be.

This is why Obama rejecting public financing was a smart move. He can play in these states. States that Democrats normally don't even try for. And once he gets into full swing campaigning, these numbers are only going to widen.

user-pic

Not only does the pic need to be shrunken, it needs to be changed/removed. I'm no McCain fan, but your avatar is really offensive.

user-pic

This comment was directed at user JohnMcCSF

Time for the repugs to crank up the Stevie Nicks.... "I been 'fraid a changin'..."

Bush makes you bolder and McCain's gotten older . . .

user-pic

Time to stop counting chickens fellas. All we have right now are eggs. So I propose that we shelve the Stevie for now and pull out the ELO:


We're headin' for a Showdown!

And maybe some James Taylor:


Don't you worry about me, little darling.
No, I ain't breaking.
I'm shaking and aching, cause I can't stand waiting.
There comes a time to STAND AND FIGHT.

And before you accuse a person who was born and raised in Kentucky and forced to learn the seven states that border it by heart in grade school, and again in his Kentucky History classe, of trolling TPM, maybe you might want to first look at a map yourself.

Illinois is that state on the map squished in there between Indiana and Missouri, both of which also border Kentucky. Illinois is bordered on the South by the Ohio River, which forms Kentucky's northern border. Grant was stationed in Cairo, Illinois at the start of the Civil War. His assignment was to camp out there until the South violated Kentucky's self-proclaimed neutrality at which point he was to move into the state himself. And know why they stationed him there? Because it's right across the border from, where? Anybody? Yes, that's right, Kentucky.

And if refreshing your recollection of U.S. geography is too much trouble, you might at least consider taking a look at a person's comment and blogging history history before you accuse them of trolling.

And I might want to consider checking on whether the "Reply" box has mysteriously unchecked itself before I click "send" on my testy ripostes.

user-pic

'S'a'ight, homes.

We got yo' BACK.

LATimes poll has Obama up 12 POINTS!
49-37. He leads by 15 when you add in Barr and Nader: 48-33.
Maybe the Newsweek one wasn't such an outlier. Still only one poll, 4 months to go...

As Austin Powers would say:

"Yeah baby!"

This year represents a sea change in American politics, and it's not limited to Indiana. People are sick and tired of being lied to by Republicans. People are starting to catch on that the Republicans don't care about the middle class. It's not just the Presidential race, but Republican candidates of all kinds are on the run. When incumbent Republican Senators in states like KY, NC, TX and NC are struggling, that tells you something.

Bush&Co. has screwed the pooch and it will take the R's years to recover from it.

Nahh.. all the Petulant PUMA voters will cancel this out. ;-)

As pro-Obama Nate pointed out on fivethirtyeight.com, the candidate who was ahead in the polls in June has lost the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections. So Obamaphiles should feel good right now but not cocky.

user-pic

survey usa always overestimates obama's strength. everybody knows that. anderson cooper wants to know if obama crossed the line with his recent race statements.

SUSA nailed the Ohio primary, so I think it varies from state to state.

user-pic

I understand the margin of error but 48% to 47% is a one point LEAD. Sheeeesh!

My wife's parents - conservative Lutherans who've never voted Democratic in their life - are both Obama supporters who live in Indiana. Looks like there are more like them.

Obama taking Indiana would be so sweet. I saw that possibility when I was visiting in April. The key is the great sea change that has taken place in Fort Wayne -- an influx of students, immigrants, white collar workers and gays that has transformed this reliably Republican sleepy area into a burgeoning metropolitan area of, amazingly, the young and hip.
This, combined with black Indianapolis, Chicagoland Lake County, and something about Obama that clicks with the Hoosier mentality, all make this astounding turn of events hopefully more than a dream.

Leave a comment

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address