Posted by Michael A
June 6, 2008 4:58 PM

Oh puuuuleeeez. . . . I would say in about 2 weeks or so, we will see the bounce and I would surmise its around 52 or 53 to 39/40 for mcbush.

19 days and nearly 3 weeks later . . .

Rasmussen: Barack Obama [attracts] 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When "leaners" are included, Obama leads 49% to 45%.

Obamagod cultists continue to make their residence in Delusionville.

People are still reading Reader's Digest?

Southern Missouri is no diff than Arkansas. It's about as redneck, racist, and homophobic as you'll find. It's Kentucky, only with more meth and less moonshine.

This is kind of a bummer. Pretty much the same as SUSA's MO poll from mid-Apri, but much worse for Obama than SUSA's last MO poll. If the 7pt margin becomes a consistent result, I don't think McCain needs to worry about spending an overwhelming amount of time in Missouri. (just as I don't think Obama would or should spend too much time on/in Oregon if polls there show him consistently up by 7) FWIW, Rasmussen's latest from earlier this month had Obama up by 1pt.

You know, I really want to ignore the polls this far out, but I just can't help it. That damned long, nailbiter of a primary conditioned me to constantly check these things.

Yeah, I think this poll is a little off. It gives McCain a seven point surge in 20 days. Maybe I'm missing something but it looks awfully skewed. To be fair I don't trust the Pennsylvania poll showing Obama ahead by 14 points either. They aren't getting people with cell phones. The youth vote doesn't poll properly.

SUSA has been a little hit or miss - they had Obama losing by 10 pts in IN too. I have said this before but Obama has a lot of volunteers from IL and since IL is a no-brainer, they are fanning out to the nearby states. The ground game is worth about 5pts in MO,WI,IN & MN that won't be picked up by the pollsters.

It could be that McCain is gaining some ground back in MO but we won't know until there are more polls. Either way, whether Obama is up or down in MO - it is 4 months to the election and the candidates have hardly started campaigning. Polls now are only a status report and a potentially unreliable report at that.

Still - constant vigilance.
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This comes as no surprise at all to me.

Obama has done absolutely nothing in Missouri since Super Tuesday other than listen to Claire "I barely won in 06" McCaskill who has been feeding Obama the soothing syrup of DLC middle of the roadism. His little "town hall" in the home of Rush Limbaugh in Cape Girardeau was a flop (and just a plain stupid idea)courtesy of McCaskill. He has been following that advice as his entire campaign has lurched to the right. He has foolishly capped it all off by joining the mass suicide of chicken Democrats in DC on the FISA bill.

The idiots who brought us the Presidential defeats of 1988, 2000, and 2004 clearly have Obama's ear. They are telling him he has to move to the center to win when excactly the opposite is true. I'm not saying go hard left (though it would be nice) but instead to stick to your principles and be who you are insteadof what the wimps and consultants of DC tell you is "smart" when all that strategy ever produces is defeat!

Moving more to the right to appear centrist only blurs the distinction between the good guys and the bad guys and only compromises what is most important to Democrats, thus, lending credence to the notion that there really is no difference between the parties. The people agree with the Democratic positions on almost all issues and not by small margins, yet our Presidential candidates run from the majority every time in pursuit of this strategy that makes them more like Republicans instead of more like what the people of the nation want. The further our candidates run from our positions the less reason they have to vote Democratic for God's sake! That is especially true in states like Missuori that once were prosperous but have suffered tremendously over the past generation as jobs and prosperity have disappeared while education and oppotunity have been and continue to be on the decline.

When our party caves in on everything it stands for (which seems to be the only thing you can count on DC Democrats for)what possible incentive does the common person have to come out and vote at all, let alone vote Democratic? The same idiots directing Democratic strategy out of DC today are those who cowered in fear until the final couple of weeks in 2006 because they thought the "smart" thing to do was not talk about the war or the corruption in DC. Naturally, those were the top two reasons most people voted Democratic.

This same losing strategy was what drove so many otherwise intelligent Democrats such as Clinton, Kerry and many others to so foolishly vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq for no good reason. You may recall that they did that to prevent the Republicans from attacking them on the war. You may further recall that the Republicans pilloried them on the war anyway in 02 despite their votes in favor of the war and spanked them bad in the elections because they were weak. Voters understand that the Democrats do such things out of moral cowardice/lack of conviction and they don't like or respect it. Why should they. It is contemptible and disreputable behavior. Republicans understand this very well and so their glee over FISA this week is especially energetic because of Obama joining the cowering crowd of weak-kneed Democrats who are doing something they know very well is wrong.

McCaskill is one of the people now closest to Obama. She was one of the most fearful and timid Democrats in 2006 and she is one of the most wishy washy Democrats in the Senate today. Her failure to oppose the war in Iraq and only criticize it as mismanaged, her failure to condemn torture, and her failure to campaign against Republican corruption is why she nearly lost what should have been a relatively easy victory. She, of course, thinks her timidity and wishy washy strategy is why she won and that is reinforced by the Washington crowd. As long as Obama continues listening to her sage advice he will continue to lose in Missouri--a state brimming with working people who want someone to vote for who will fight for them instead of the corporations.

With his cowardly okay of retroactive immunity for telecoms in the FISA bill this week Obama's message to them is: "abandon all hope---I'm just another DC Democratic politician who talks about the regular people but services the needs and desires of the corporations and those who own them." In other words folks: the DLC won the nomination anyway.

It isn't too late for Obama to reverse course and win in states like MO which, no matter what the campaign might say, is a must win state. Unfortunately, I think he's made his choice. He'd rather be the candidate who gave special favors to telecommunications companies because he thinks it's "smart" politics than be the candidate with the guts to stand up and fight for the Constitution and average citizens---even and perhaps especially when it comes to preventing the corporations from spying illegally on them or letting them off the hook when they break the law.

The FISA situation is an important, even critical test for Obama and it looks like he clearly has every intention of failing that test which is only a harbinger of more betrayal to come. He thinks the "smart" political thing to do is go with the cowardly herd of Demcorats in DC who prefer to be in good stead with the corporations which are the group they really care about.

I hope he proves me wrong by stopping the FISA bill (which he could easily make happen) and realizes that it is the difference between the parties that gives the advantage to Democrats and blurring those distincitions hurts his chances. But there is no sign he gets it at all. If he weren't so willing to be "smart" he might just have to rely on his sense of right and wrong, or his sense of justice or loyalty to the principles in the Constitution. But I'm quite sure that's too much to ask of him or any other DC Democrat.

Stroszek: Nothing says 'cult of personality' like someone continuously advocating for a candidate who has lost, dropped out of the race, and endorsed another candidate.

As usual, we find Obamagod supporters inserting things into other posters comments that aren't there in order to demolish a strawman - again, so similar to Bush supporters who also liked to create strawmen (or strawwomen) to demolish.

I just call it what it is: lying

And "intense emotional rants?"

Too, too funny from people who incessantly and obsessively bloviate about every little thing that the Democratic leadership does or doesn't do that isn't exactly to their liking and who spat upon 50% of the Democratic Party for actually thinking about the issues instead of falling under the spell of a purely emotional appeal that had no substance.

If this is your understanding of "intense" you must live an extraordinarily boring existence.

You engage in derogatory name-calling (cultists, sheep, etc.), and then are shocked, SHOCKED! that people respond to you in a similar fashion.

It's best not to respond to such posts, but I just couldn't resist.

I am actually fine with McCain leading in the polls. Perhaps he'll decide not to spend limited resources here. Meanwhile, Obama has very strong grassroots support here in the St. Louis area. We are working every weekend to register new voters. We will creep up from behind and the old man won't know what hit him.

UTMark: You engage in derogatory name-calling (cultists, sheep, etc.), and then are shocked, SHOCKED! that people respond to you in a similar fashion.

Yeah, Obama supporters would never do that!

Day one and Obama supporters were engaging in name-calling against the Democratic frontrunner and her supporters and before day one it was name-calling against the Democratic leadership in Congress and their supporters.

And yet you are shocked, SHOCKED that the people you started pissing on even before January '08 and have continually pissed on ever since are pissing back!

LOLSMIPMGO

And we border his home state, which might help a little bit.

obambam: The real tell on a jerk like yourself is the "superficial whims of their flocks" business. Doesn't matter how many of them there are: they're all sheep, and the candidates are fakes, and everything and everybody is all fucked up - except you, of course.

It is the very essence of the Obamanation theology that he's the one true answer to a country where everyone who is not on his bandwagon is "all f*cked up."

Clinton had a nearly equal number of popular votes, maybe even more, and add McCain to the mix and there are a lot of people who weren't supporting Obama, but it didn't matter to Obama supporters how many of them there were they were "all f*cked up" because they didn't support his message of "hope and change."

It is truly nauseating after listening to Obama supporters month after month after month ranting about how f*cked up the rest of the politicians and their supporters are to have the hypobamacritical gall to rant about their opposition's criticism about how f*cked up Obama supporters are.

Carlos Mencia couldn't be more amusing than your lame and hypocritical attempt to turn the tables.