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Obama's Birth Certificate: Yes, He's American
As part of their new counter-offensive against Internet smears, the Obama campaign has moved to put a stop to any idea that his birth certificate would contain some dirty secret -- for example, that he might have actually been born in another country. Here it is, newly released by the campaign, a birth certificate from Hawaii:
Conservative pundit Jim Geraghty had been speculating that Obama might have some other ulterior motive for not releasing the certificate -- that Obama's given name might have been "Barry" and changed to Barack in some sort of identity crisis.
Well, so much for that.
(Via Daily Kos, who got the certificate first.)
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For now McCain and his friends are looking like a sitting duck.
June 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
and we'll see mccain's birth certificate when?
since he was born in panama, somehow I doubt they'll want to release it. so I assume his people will start claiming this one is a fake, to change the subject.
June 12, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hawaii is in the US. Panama is not.
June 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will John McCain release his birth certificate? did they have printers back then? or paper? or ink? or the wheel?
June 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ink was available but not printing presses!He'll have to present 3 eyewitnesses, but only his mother survives!
June 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stone tablets?
June 13, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on. Back when John was born in 1914, the US practically owned Panama.
June 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but is Hawaii really a state? And was it really a state when he was born?
The Republicans are really stooping for crumbs, aren't they?
June 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good move on the Obama campaign's part creating this website and putting it all out there.
June 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This newest lunacy from the right -- that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. & is lying about his middle name -- show just how desperate the wackos are.
None of the usual stuff is sticking so they're left with this silliness.
Check out Obama's news anti-smear site:
Fight the Smears
This isn't your old DLC Democratic Party.
June 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all desperate lunacy. They could always accuse him of being born off the mainland. But then again so was McCain.
June 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The next emperor will not have been born in Rome.
June 12, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the link for the birth dert on his website? I went to the link you have, but I do not see the part about the birth cert.
June 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, this website is an awesome idea! It's so 21st century!
Where are you, trolls? What do you have to say for yourselves now that it's completely obvious to anyone with brain activity that you're peddling lies?
June 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, his mother's first name was Stanley?
June 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, they named her after her father, Barack's grandfather(if I remember correct, it was because he wanted a boy). It's mentioned in Dreams from My Father.
June 12, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup... you need to read his book - Dreams from my father. On page 19, he stated why her first name is Stanley....
June 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The trolls are gonna love this thread.... watch out!!! And remember don't feed them....
June 12, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was born in Hawaii. Nice to know my passport is legit, too.
June 12, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, with the first name there and now the Hawaii bit, you are probably on some no fly list soon. My brother, the Judge, no fly list, can't get it cleared, no reason, totally a non-political guy. :)
June 12, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That birth certificate is a fake.
If you enlarge it in Photoshop (and I do this stuff for a living) there is a lightened halo around every letter and the letters have too crisp and edge. They should be sawtoothed just as the background pattern is. All the text was placed using Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
This birth certificate is a fake. Guarantee that someone considered a court accepted expert will confirm this soon I expect.
June 12, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must not make much money at your job then.
June 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're just sad.
June 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are your bespeckled eyes your best feature?
June 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, this is how people normally see him at the *cough* establishment that he frequents.
June 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
is that at the peepshow? or an airport bathroom? or where the pages hangout in the back of congress?
June 12, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu2 Does not have a record of his own birth. They do not issue birth certificates for things that grow out of Cow Turds.
June 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would that be a Turd Blossom?
June 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
true, if all you have is a shitty scanner.
June 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was just going to include that--you should reference the source--National Review Online, right?
June 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the bottom of the thread, but, yes!
June 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, you enlarge things in Photoshop for a living?
June 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
Epic. Image. Analysis. FAIL.
You realize image analysts actually browse the Interwebs, right?
June 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh... I do this stuff for a living, too.
And, in my professional opinion (with over 15 years experience in digital imaging):
You are full of shit!
June 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't do graphics for a living; I'm not even an experienced amateur, but I do know this much: JPGs do that. And if you really did this sort of thing for a living, you would know that, too.
June 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's considerably more artifacting in your forgery. Not to mention you forgot to replace the "child's name" line on the original.
BUSTED!
June 13, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay! Our first GOP troll of the day. Hey fogu2, fuck you too!
June 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not even a smart troll, just inane comments.
June 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, imagine how petty, bitter and trivial every one who questions the "authenticity" of this birth certificate are gonna look...
June 12, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Shows just how scared shitless the GOP is now that we have a nominee who doesn't cower in a corner and whimper "don't hurt me."
June 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, now, Amelie... to be fair to our Mr. F., as this data clearly indicates, our candidate does have cause for concern...
June 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I tried to get a hold of McCain's birth certificate but the stone just crumbled in my hand! Couldn't read the fine chisel points...
June 12, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very good :)
June 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a fake anyway. Cuneiform was not invented until about 4000 BC.
June 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please stop spreading lies about Senator McCain not being born on the mainland. His birth certificate shows that he was born in Pangea. It does not get any more mainland than that.
June 12, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liam, I actually thought he was born before they started issuing birth certificates.
June 12, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amelie,
Have you noticed how the rigors of the campaign have taken a heavy toll on how Senator McCain looks. Take a look at this picture taken while he was searching for his out of bounds golf ball, at pebble beach.
http://greek.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/a/avtanski/25.jpg
June 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL !
June 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack is more American than John McCain.
After all, it was McCain who was born in a foreign country.
June 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. the birth certificate is a fake. Obama really is a Klingon-Vesuvian who was exchanged at birth with an innocent human baby (That's why both parents died young. They were murdered by aliens sent to guide young Barack!). Obama has been receiving secret radio signals located in receptors that are located in what we think is the large string of pearls that Mrs. Obama wears. After he is elected, Obama will use his powers to turn off all the NORAD and other radar systems that protect the world. Then he and Mrs. Obama will take off their fake human coats and appear as the Klingons they are. They will then turn all the Earth into a slave colony where we will spend the rest of our lives growing nettles which is the food of choice for Kingon-Vesuvians, as well as the Makers Mark Bourbon which is their drink of choice. Fortunately, some McCainiacs will survive and free us within ten years, so not to worry.
June 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when the meme was:
"Obama won't know how to respond to all the attacks!"
June 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has been so on top of it. Also, very sharp responses, unlike McCain responding to what he meant by "the troops coming home isn't that important". The response was almost as bad as the comment.
June 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a shame that obama had to do this. However, it is a smart move, just a shame how low politics in this country have gotten. Kind of pathetic really.
June 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kos quote:
"Note, I have trimmed the edges of the scan"
He did not see an original, just a "scan". Even the best scanners, pre-press Scitex quality, would show a more sawtoothed edge on all the letters. Enlarge it and check the quality of the placed text compared to the background and the seal and it is instantly obvious it's a fake.
I could post a new version that would look equally as good and change his name to anything I want. Would that make it authentic?
Bwahahaha...it's a fake.
June 12, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your cheesy edited one? We all knew that before you 'fessed up.
June 13, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It won't be long now before we get all the astrologers' interpretive readings on Obama.
June 12, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice that the certificate number is covered. If this is real, why would that need to be done. Obviously Obama himself feceived one with the actual number. If this is authentic what is being protected by concealing it?
He doesn't have an authentic certificate number that can be checked. That's why it's covered.
It's fake.
Suckers.
June 12, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so fucking stupid that it's breathtaking.
"If this is authentic what is being protected by concealing it?"
Uh, identity theft, anyone?
June 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a social security number. It's just an internal reference number used by the state.
Besides, you this someone will use Obama's identity?
Bwahahaha. You're an idiot.
It's a fake.
June 12, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You stole your laugh from J.M. DeMatteis and Keith Giffen. They want it back....
June 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
As if it weren't obvious already, you have no idea what you're talking about.
A social security number only gets you so far. You can open credit cards. BFD.
Getting a fake birth certificate, which is greatly helped with a real name and matching BC number, is the greatest goldmine in the identity world. It's leverage for a valid license, a passport, and more. In other words, *real* identity theft, not the credit fraud that people like to call ID theft these days.
June 12, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only one concealing anything here is you, chickenshit. I dare you to show us more than your glasses.
June 12, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also use photoshop for a living, and I agree there is an unexpected (and obvious) halo around equally unexpectedly (and obviously) crisp text.
However, a couple points:
I believe that presenting this document in altered form would qualify as forgery (any legal buffs here to check this for me?), which would be beyond stupid for such a high-profile subject.
The document would have to be altered anyway to hide the number. You're not going to do it to the original, and if you want to make sure there's no residual trace of the number there, you're going to do it digitally after the scan.
It's perfectly conceivable that they would have also run a sharpening filter, upped the contrast, or some other enhancement, as scans usually don't come in with good highlights. It's pretty plain that they've done this in fact. The white is too bright for what I'd expect from a raw scan. Also, if you look at the vertical green bar on the left, the thickest dark green lines have a light halo around them where they are next to the medium-green shading. This is something you see often when a sharpen filter is used, and even with some contrast operations.
The text is not a single shade and it is not made that way by artificially added noise. If they were as clumsy with their doctoring as you think, they would have left the text a solid black (dead givaway) or added noise universally throughout the text. The noise in the text occurs in a pattern you would expect from a color-corrected and/or sharpened scan. As far as the crispness, I say they scanned it at high resolution, sharpened it, then reduced the resolution for a release to the web.
Once again, it would be extremely stupid to doctor this the way you say they did, and if they did it that clumsily, there would be other signs as well. The text is not the only thing that shows a halo. BTW the state seal shows the same halo around lines of similar thickness to the text.
Wrong, wrong, and WRONG.
And by the way, this sort of petty bickering and nitpicking does not belong in the political discussion of what is supposed to be the Leader of the Free World. There are bigger issues to talk about here.
Is it your strategy to distract us with this petty material so we don't have enough time to address the bigger issues? There are too many of us for that to work.
June 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually that is incorrect. Because all letterforms have curves the curvatures end up sawtoothed and so not the full percentage of the tint.
You'll notice that on straight vertical strokes the tint does remain constant. No curves.
And, when res down to 72 dpi some edges that are even slight askew will sawtooth.
So you're wrong about the coloration of the letters. The critical point is that in the center of the stroke where is it full tine it is identical to th eblock which obviously is computer generated.
In short, you're wrong. and, it's a fake.
June 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu2 is a member of the Underground being established by MaCain, so leave him alone. He knows that Obama is a Klingon-Vesuvian. To prevent world panic, he is trying to make us worry about birth certificates, instead of growing nettles. Other secert members are Limbaugh, O'Reilly and, of course, Geraughty.
Enough for now. It is time to get back to Realityland and leave Mccainland behind.
June 12, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. Are you related to TrollCritic3000?
We need TC3000....
June 12, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to know how you trolls are such experts on birth certificates. I have an old one from a Catholic hospital, only people from that specific hospital have a similar one. Completely unique. People always remark on how unusual it is when they see it.
Thousands of different birth certificates out there, and not all have the same info.
June 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the info. It's the quality and character of the letters. A scanned letter would not look like those do. It would be very easy to get anyone's birth certificate from Hawaii, clone the background to delete their information, and put in new information using Illustrator and Photoshop. I could do it in less than an hour.
Now I'll ask you to speculate why the certificate number is obscured. That serves no useful purpose if this is authentic.
June 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't ya think he'd maybe want to be a U.S. citizen if he was running for President? It's pretty important and it would be pretty easy to find out if he weren't. Yet nothing to suggest otherwise. Oh, no wait.... it a grand conspiracy involving photocopiers, scanners, and photoshop.
Gimme a break and go hang out on the effing 911Truth website with the rest of the nutjobs....
June 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way-- lamest conspiracy theory ever, congratulations!!!
June 12, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say he's not a U.S. citizen. I'm saying you can't verify it by that "scan". It's fake.
June 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scans are always "fakes" because they aren't the actual document itself, but a copy. What's your point?
June 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one has seen and authenticated birth certificate.
That is the point.
But the biger point is that once someone discovers this forgery Obama is toast.
June 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joseph: I have an old one from a Catholic Hospital too, from Minnesota. Totally cool and very unique. When I applied for my passport they loved it. Never asked me how I Photoshopped it though :)
June 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter and all, but I gotta have confirmation of this. I tried to blow this up in Word (I'm not technically savvy). I have questions about this document. Why would the campaign release this to anyone and not the new website they just created?
June 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bwahahaha.
I had a gerbil with one testicle that used to make a noise like that.
June 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
How did you know it only had one?
June 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looked like you!
June 12, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No wonder they were trying to hide the birth certificate.
Barack Hussein Obama II sure sounds elitist to me.
June 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
fogu2= the kid no one played with on recess.
June 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actuallt, R. Brooks Basch III sounds elitist. Barack Hussein Obama II sounds like someone is proud of his heritage.
June 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which goes better with beer & bowling: II or Jr?
June 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. CT voter. I am not related. I am and always will be AlwaysTip
June 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. Didn't know he was a Junior.
Future argument from Clintonistas: Since the Roman numeral "II" was not on the ballots, all votes for Obama are invalidated.
June 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I enlarged it in Photoshop as well and guess what? I found a watermark that says, "fogu2 is an a$$hole".
June 12, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but he's right.
Great pic by Jim Marshall BTW.
June 12, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, McCain won't show you his birth certificate...he was actually born in 1423 and back then the details were etched in rocks...ha ha ha ha!
June 12, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vellum, baby. It would be on vellum.
/medievalist rant
June 13, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's just sad- one guy as ancient as Mount Rushmore doesn't have to prove a shit and can make claims out of his ass and a 47 year old skinny black guy with a funny name has to release his birth certificate.
June 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just took the time to bring up this Birth Certificate in a real image editor. The Gimp doesn't lie. Guess what? The edges of the letters are just as ragged as one might expect them to be.
Bwahahaha. You're the idiot.
June 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would seem that if it's a fake then we'll have experts on the media soon pointing out the clues, digging up the original, and explaining why Obama has done this remarkably damaging thing -- probably because he WAS born outside the US, and/or his real name is Barry.
We'll expect to see that just like we were expecting to see the Michelle "Whitey" tape.
And we weren't really expecting anything. Because it's all a tactic to plant disinformation in the minds of the slow and ignorant. They don't need any actual proof. Just need to get the question raised, preferably on Fox: "Is Michelle Obama's Baby-Daddy a Photoshopping Foreigner?"
June 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
phew. Hawaii became a state in 1959, TWO SHORT YEARS before Obama was born. USA! USA!
Ok, now that we have the date and time of his birth, can we please get a astrologist to give us a rundown??
June 12, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have checked his astrology and he's a winner!! Funny but true. Hey, I was curious!
June 12, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://astrodynamics.blogspot.com/search/label/Obama
Scroll down to the 5/16 entry. It's based on a birth time of 7:11PM, but it's close enough. Not much changes between that chart and the one for 7:24pm.
June 12, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the other giveaway. If you sample the black in the block covering the certificate number every pixel has exactly the same RGB/CMYK specifications. No scanner or printer would produce such a consistent black over that large an area.
It was placed with photoshop. So there is no question but that this image has been manipulated in a computer. That is how that block was added, not manually on the original document. Who did that? Kos? The Hawaii DOH?
Now I checked all the letters. The darkest pixels have essentially the identical tint screens. That means they were also added in photoshp using the same black as the certificate block.
It's a fake and this is gonna be like a direct torpedo hit to Obama when the truth comes out
June 12, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So fogu2 do you have Bush's military records or are you waiting for Dan Rather to bring them to you?
Kinda like been $ seen this before!!!!!!!!!!
June 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu, of course the block is one shade. How else are you going to make sure there's no way to extract the number from it? If you want to be sure, you just fill that region with black in PS or whatever program you prefer. Anything else would be idiotic.
And as I stated above, the image has clearly been sharpened. There's way too much contrast here for a raw scan. This means that many of the pixels in the text will be clipped to the same color. If it were artificially placed text you'd expect it to be one shade throughout most of the text, but there is still a lot of noise in the text, and it varies from place to place, mostly with changes in line thickness. That is exactly what you'd expect from a sharpening operation on existing rasterized text from a scan. Sharpening also produces the halo you're talking about, which is why I don't use it for my work. It never does what I want it to do without making halos around the high-contrast edges. Notice the halo also occurs on the state seal in the thick parts.
June 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is photoshopped, you can tell by the pixels.
\.
June 12, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm laughing so hard at your pathetic desperation, I'm almost out of breath. Seriously, though, you're an idiot. BTW, I do this (spotting idiots) for a living.
June 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it interesting that Obama's father's race was listed as "African" and not "Black." I thought that "Black" was the official race designation of anyone of African descent (seems to be for the US Census). I guess Hawaii is more enlightened and progressive than the Fed. govt.
Now, if they would just drop this "race" nonsense and start referring to "ethnicity"....
June 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
June 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/06/kos-tries-to-pa.html
June 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong link, here ya go:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWVjN2I1MjlhM2ZjZjRjYzBkODAxZjZkZGQyYWNkMDk=
June 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sooo, his mother was a transsexual, eh? I knew it.
June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
So he's more American than McCain, no? McCain wasn't born in a state.
June 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those of you joining us:
As of 8:39 p.m. CST, fogu2 doesn't have any comeback, credible or otherwise, to know_your_unknowns' excellent 3:06 p.m. point-by-point takedown of fogu2's B.S. claim that Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Guess that means the GOP will have to face our fellow citizen Barack after all! :)
June 12, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't say I understood the whole birth certificate issue in the first place.
So even if Obama were somehow magically born before Hawaii became a state in 1959, he'd still be a natural born citizen (unless he's a lot older than he's letting on).
June 12, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really think that Obama's political opponents researched what he wrote in first grade, but they didn't bother to verify his citizenship? fogu2, you and the other GOP nutcases just look completely desperate and whiny.
June 12, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
My God, he's a JUNIOR :-O
THAT'S why he's been ducking and covering on the birth certificate issue. Just call him Junior :-P
June 12, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink