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Obama Called Hillary After Speech -- Honors Her For "Valiant And Historic Campaign"

Obama watched the speech on the Internet and put in a call to her after it concluded, we're told. He was informed by her assistant that she was, understandably, speaking with supporters at the time.

And here's Obama statement...

"Obviously, I am thrilled and honored to have Senator Clinton's support. But more than that, I honor her today for the valiant and historic campaign she has run. She shattered barriers on behalf of my daughters and women everywhere, who now know that there are no limits to their dreams. And she inspired millions with her strength, courage and unyielding commitment to the cause of working Americans. Our party and our country are stronger because of the work she has done throughout her life, and I'm a better candidate for having had the privilege of competing with her in this campaign. No one knows better than Senator Clinton how desperately America and the American people need change, and I know she will continue to be in the forefront of that battle this fall and for years to come."

As rough as Hillary's tactics may have been at times, does anyone doubt that Obama is right to say that he's a better candidate -- a far better one -- for having gone up against her for so long? His people definitely know this.

Meanwhile, Obama thanks Hillary online over on his Website....



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Suspended, not over. Clinton met political expectations and offered support for Obama. We've now got around two months for the party to get it's collective head out of the sand and dump Obama before, like lemmings, they walk into the fall with a spectacular defeat. Obama is a loser and no amount of cult following or politically expedient affirmative action and guilt-erasure will undo this. I, as a Clinton supporter, will vote for McCain, even if Clinton accepts a VP spot on the ticket. Two months to fix this travesty...

Green haid!

Ack!

Hope he's gots enuf bulletses for the feets he's standin on plus the ones in his mouf!

Guys, guys, guys... Ignore the trolls! Every comment Mr. Weaver makes is made to distract us from the content of the blog-post. There are great things happening for the Democratic Party and for the nation. Don't be distracted by the trolls!

TPM needs an "Ignore User" option, or at very least a post-rating option that makes poorly-rated posts disappear. The current format is too troll-friendly.

I agree. With all of the above.

It's only suspended so she can have time to pay off her debt.

Keep dreaming...

Putz.

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Haha, thanks for supplying my daily dose of comedy. Funny stuff, Matthew!

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Some people still think the world is flat too.

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You must not really trust Clinton, or support her, if you ignore what she asks of you.

Bite me cracker

The Sheriff is a .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcZ9ku_wInw

Pop.

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Isn't it musical?

That's the sound of THO4HILLARYCLINTON's, Lalo35adm's, gotalife's, HillaryClinton08's, dijamo's, readytoblowagasket's,
RaeKa's, "Present"'s, fogu2's & blank's heads exploding.

Pop. Pop.

There goes Otto F's & RegisteredUser's.

Pop.

And there goes Matthew Weaver, who is a little late in joining the party today.

Poor, sick thing.

HI Matthew:

Just a question from a new user on here and from an interested political observer north of the border for you:

Clinton and Obama's positions to me on many different policies seem pretty similar to each other. It also seems to me that McCain is just as diametrically opposed to what Clinton stands for as he does towards Obama, and he will continue many of the Bush policies that both Clinton and Obama are against.

Given that, why would you cut off your nose to spite your face and vote for McCain, if you really are a Hillary Clinton supporter and want to see those Republican policies changed?

He sees black people.

If you know what I mean.

It is a matter of trust, credibility, and experience. Obama is an empty suite, experience based on spoon fed bills in Illinois, falsely claimed experience in the U.S. Senate, and a neverending trailing of lies, omissions, and mistatements of his past, his association with hate and racism, and so forth. His corrupt ties to Rezko in Illinois, including a home purchase that even he now says was boneheaded, his wife's spectacular raises once Obama got to the Senate (something like $200K! Who gets a $200K raise for the same apparent job, except as reward or indirect bribe for her husband's influence?). Obama is a lightweight against either McCain or Clinton, he's won because of his play of race, sexism, and White-guilt. This will only get him so far. I can't see him winning in the fall and expect he'll be another of a long list of losers--Kerry, Gore, Mondale, and Dukakis. Worse, his divisiveness makes Bush pale in comparison. The party is not made up of ultra-liberal activists, bloggers, and some college students. In the fall it will be the rest of the country voting, just like in the primaries where Obama typically lost. The general election is not a rigged or disenfranchising caucus like so many of Obama's victories originated. In the end, it will be an election of values, experience, credibility, and trust. despite the Dear Leader's cult following's claims to the contrary, Obama has none.

He has NO "corrupt ties" to Rezko. IT was ALL bullshit.

He is friends with him. That doesn't mean there was ANYTHING illegal being done.

YOU ARE A RIGHT-WING TOOL.


And he must not be such a "lightweight" since he WON.

HE WON!

Yo don't like him becuase you're a fucking racist tool.

"Obama is a lightweight against either McCain or Clinton, he's won because of his play of race, sexism, and White-guilt."

This is the only argument that racists use that explains Obama's brilliant rise - even though the facts of the matter make you look like a geriatric pair of boobs, being that Obama never played the race card, and "white guilt" doesn't win you a nomination or massive fundraising.

"I can't see him winning in the fall and expect he'll be another of a long list of losers--Kerry, Gore, Mondale, and Dukakis."

Obama has already shown that he is tougher than Gore and Kerry combined, and more politically astute than Mondale or Dukakis.. Please try again..

"Worse, his divisiveness makes Bush pale in comparison."

You gotta love a person releasing nonsensical theories out of their diseased butt-cheeks without a shred of evidence. Let me try one. "Hey, Tupac Shakur and Elvis Presley both did shots last night in a small bar in Havana!"

"The general election is not a rigged or disenfranchising caucus like so many of Obama's victories originated."

Boo-Hoo, caucuses are evil - pull your fucking skirt up already..

You still failed to answer Scott's question. Do you trust McCain not to continue the Iraq war regardless of the futility and cost involved? Do you trust McCain to appoint Supreme Court judges who will not trash the Constitution in the name of "originalism?" Do you trust McCain to rid the White House of lobbyists? McCain has endorsed warantless wiretapping. Do you trust that in his or anyone's hands? Shall I go on? I'm sorry Hillary lost. I would have liked to see a woman president and I like her. But she is standing there telling you that the Democrats must win back the white house next term. Please trust her if you trust nobody else. The economy is a mess, people are suffering and we are in a horrible, endless, stupid war. That's all there is to it. You must vote for Obama.

Obama is an empty suite,

Same racist bullshit.

Yeah, but you are an empty greeenbag haid!

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Racist, misspelled bullshit at that. Oh, how our trolls have fallen.

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Matthew,

I am not even going to try to change you opinion of Obama. The question I have is this:

You think Obama is a shady character, even though he has not gone against any democratic stance. In fact, despite the supposed methods you are accusing him of, he has promoted EVERY democratic stance.

Or McCain who has his economic policy writing by the guy who was instrumental in the subprime mortgage mess, who wants never ending military commitments in Iraq ans start new ones, and has no clue the difference between Sunni and Shia. At one time he was considered a maverick. Now he has voted with Bush 95% of the time.

Which of the two votes for what he believes?

You have 2 to choose from. If you pick McCain over Obama, you are not a progressive. If you pick McCain over Obama you belong in the neocon corporatist, militant party.

Who are you Matthew Weaver?

Just ignore him. Seriously. If TPM is going to let people spout their trolling (and abject racism as below) then just ignore them. MW does not represent Hillary Clinton supporters--most of them--and sure she--would be ashamed of him.

Matthew:

You still haven't answered my question.. why would you vote for McCain if you're a Democratic supporter? If you dislike Obama, fine, but voting for McCain out of spite doesn't seem to be a very smart move if you're really a Democrat who wants to change the Bush/Republican policies. Obama will do that, just as Hillary would. McCain certainly won't.

To the other TPM users on here, I see from the comments on here Matthew obviously has a history on here - my apologies if I'm stirring up the thread. I was just curious why if Matthew truly is a Democrat and not a Republican troller trying to stir up trouble why he would vote for the other party whose policies and interests should be completely opposite to his owm regardless who the Democratic candidate is.

Just to let newcomers know that Weaver is a well know Aryan Nation Troll(ANT) trying to pass as a Democrat. He writes several racist blogs. He is a sewer rat. Do not dialog with the creep. In his profile he does not even claim to be a Democrat. Here is what he posted about himself.

Matthew J. Weaver
Details

* Location: New York
* Age: 48
* Politics: Progressive, Liberal, and Conservative
* Party: Independent
* Website: http://www.theindependentview.com

You can't see him winning in the Fall, so you're voting for McCain ... hmmm. I read your tripe on your website, because I believe in keeping my enemies closer. Projecting racist tendencies much? I think you hate yourself because you're a racist and try to project that outward in some sort of defense mechanism. It's pretty obvious you're not very bright.

Take your operation chaos shit elsewhere.

I feel for your kids.

Pay no attention to those rantings. He's been against Obama personally from day one. The fact that he says he'll vote for McCain shows he never really supported Clinton for her policies and that he really doesn't care about those issues. As you say, he'll be cutting off his nose to spite his face. If he really believes in Clinton and dislikes Obama so much, he will stay home instead of voting for McCain, or he will write in Clinton's name.

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You might find comfort in some kindred spirits, Matt.

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Matthew Weaver, you bigoted old racist Republican, you! Haven't seen you around these parts for awhile. Guess our luck didn't change much after all.

Ah, so the Dear Leader's cult still uses offensive and derogatory accusations as first defense to any critique. How pathetic but continually amusing reminder of how much a loser Obama is and will be.

I am not interested in insulting you. I wish people wouldn't do that -- it convinces no one. Please, again, look at the issues and decide whether you want four more years of Bush policy.

Trust me when I say that he's being insulted for a reason. Matt has a long history on this site, and he's been a virulent troll since before the first primaries and caucuses began. He has made it a personal crusade to rant against Obama, and in doing so he's dropped many outright racist bombs.

Ask him about his website, if he still bothers to update it. Matthew Weaver is a troll, and he knows what he's doing when he comes around here. I don't like insults without merit either, but the people calling him out know what he's all about.

"Ah, so the Dear Leader's cult still uses offensive and derogatory accusations as first defense to any critique. How pathetic but continually amusing reminder of how much a loser Obama is and will be."

..but you have already made it clear that you are going to vote for McCain, so because of that, there is no reason to try to reconcile any differences we may have or elevate the discourse for the sake of party unity. In closing, you are a smoldering piece of shit who will be warmly welcomed on many right wing hate sites - you have officially had your democratic membership revoked motherfucker.

Yes, but MW is a pathetic and continually amusing a reminder of how much of a loser McCain is.

Ah, so the Dear Leader's cult still uses offensive and derogatory accusations

Have you no sense of irony, dude?

...cutting off your nose to spite your face.

"We've now got around two months for the party to get it's collective head out of the sand and dump Obama before, like lemmings, they walk into the fall with a spectacular defeat."

Shut the fuck up you incoherent heel - shouldn't you be somewhere aggressively masturbating to Larry Johnson's shitstain of a blog? Barack Obama is going to be president, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

"I, as a Clinton supporter, will vote for McCain, even if Clinton accepts a VP spot on the ticket."

At least you are admitting that you are a douchebag, but we already knew that though.

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Matthew, your statement is utter hypocrisy.

If I understand you correctly (i.e. if you've given any rationale for your position), you say that you're going to vote for McCain because Clinton could have beaten him but Obama can't. Are you saying you just want to vote for the person who's going to win, regardless of their positions on issues? That's below contempt.

In a two-person race voting against someone just because you don't think they'll win makes absolutely no sense. Or are you just too cowardly to admit your real reasons for spurning Obama?

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Obama is the nominee; he will be the nominee in Denver. Stop lecturing us. Stop sliming Obama. Just go work for the McFossil campaign. I hear they need a lot of help teaching McAncient how to read a teleprompter and the difference between Sunni and Shiia.

MW;
Why to fuck up our party then? Can you please STFU for a day or two- actually my advise- don't come back with scum, if possible.

Crap. He's back.

For all my talk of rallying with Clinton supporters today, I've only got one ungracious thing to say to you Matthew: bend over with John McCain and prepare for the spanking you deserve.

Nothing about electing another rich old white man to the presidency strikes me as a good idea.
Voting for McCain is irresponsible.

obviously you don't actually support Sen. Clinton or any other Democrat.

Spoken like a true Republican troll!

Peeeeyeeeeewwww. Something stinks.

There's a cognitive dissonance in your comment. You claim to be a Clinton supporter, but you vow not to support any of the policies that she championed by voting for McCain.

If you do prefer McCain's policies to Obama, it's difficult to see how you could have been such a strong supporter of Hillary. Hillary knows that any chance of enacting universal healthcare, and tax reform is much more likely under President Obama

No way. This Clinton supporter is four square behind the Obama candidacy now that he is the presumptive nominee. There is no way that McCain is more acceptable to us than Obama. His votes, campaign rhetoric not withstanding, have been reliably supportive of conservative issues and Bush's initiatives. A vote for McCain is a vote for more war, more debt, a set in stone conservative Supreme Court, more of the same. The epithet 'the third Bush term' is more truth than fiction. We can't have it.

I say: Obama, fuck you! You will never be the President!

Just want to let you know you are not alone!!!

This empty suit can fool many people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time. He's going down hard in November.

Go McCain!

She did inoculate him in important ways against McCain and his slime machine.

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This is an interesting observation and I think worthy of more discussion.

In what way did her speech inoculate Obama? (Not that I would disagree!)

Please elaborate, if only briefly.

This is good. I attended Hillary's speech today and thought it was very impressive and classy -- my impression was that 80% or the crowd really agreed with her many calls for common purpose for November. (A few people were obviously deeply displeased . . .)

I hope Obama can find a good way to incorporate her into the campaign, something more than the perfunctory expressions of support and occasional speeches. She can be a strong campaigner and would love to see her powers turned against McCain. Don't think vice president is the right move at all, but hope she can be enlisted as a central player in crafting the major legislative reforms that the campaign is largely about -- health care, climate, more egalitarian and sustainable economic policy.

To restate my observations from the National Building Museum today, inside the room where a large crowd of some of Hillary's most passionate supporters were gathered to witness the end of her campaign and her enthusiastic endorsement of Obama, there were manifestly few Matthew Weavers.

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SO glad to hear this, and it makes completely sense. This is Excellent news--yes, sincerely, for Hillary and for us! It hurts Clinton for her supporters to vote for McCain and push that idea.

Thanks for the info from inside Subliminability. It must have been great to be there. I saw the it live on TV but couldn't tell if there was much booing and I was at work. I changed channels after the speech was over when I had customer come in and tell me Obama would give the country away to the Mexicans. I did hear one of the commentators on CNN ask about how much booing was going on. I'm so tired of the commentators, reporters and pudits always looking for the drama. Glad I don't have a TV at home except for major speechs; the Westminister Dog Show and the Winter Olympics!

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As rough as Hillary's tactics may have been at times, does anyone doubt that Obama is right to say that he's a better candidate -- a far better one -- for having gone up against her for so long? His people definitely know this.

I've been saying that for months. You can see he's more polished, more prepared, stays 'on-message' more effectively, pivots more quickly when needed. Her attacks were Republican-lite, just the warm-up he needed for the GE.

"Her attacks were Republican-lite, just the warm-up he needed for the GE."

I disagree. Her attacks were far more substantial, organized, and better thought out than anything I've seen from the McCain campaign so far.

You're right, McCain isn't nearly as good at it.

Her speech wasnt perfect, but give Hillary some slack. The important thing is that she endorsed him and its on to the GE.
One a side note, MSNBC's Tamrin Hall is hot.

Yes. Wow, talk about your makeovers. Whoever her stylist is: Kudos to you! Yes, you can!

You are correct. Tamrin Hall IS hot!!

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It's spelled Tamron -- Tamron Hall

I can see it already, Hillary doing spots for BO urging women not to vote for McCain because of his anti-women voting record.

Kudos to Hillary Clinton for her gracious conciliation. This is the Hillary I was yearning for during the Primary where had she struck this tone, I might have very welled jumped on the Clinton bandwagon after Edwards dropped out.

She was tough on Obama, no question about it, but her "tough love", although a bitter pill, has definitely made him a stronger, more polished candidate and in a sense, may just have given Obama a chance to get down into the rough and tumble against McCain.

And please, can some of the more indignant Hillary supporters please at least catch up with Senator Clinton on the stages of grief process?

Politically expedient affirmative action?

By that logic, shouldn't we have rejected Hillary too, because of her lady parts?

Obama didn't really run against Hillary on issues -- partly because there weren't large policy differences. Instead his argument was basically outsider v. insider; farreaching change v. incrementalism. Indeed the emphasis on who was the better vessel to promote essentially similar reforms was part of what gave the contest a painfully personal cast.

Against McCain, Obama will be pushing issues bigtime, as well as attacking the canard that McCain is a moderate maverick.

The focus on big issues -- stay or go in Iraq; health care reform or not; real action on climate or not; Roe-supporting or Roe-reversing Supreme Court; egalitarian v. plutocratic economic policy -- will serve to emphasize to primary voters who supported Hillary (and Edwards, etc.) how large the gulf is, what the stakes are, and why it's important to support Obama even if he wasn't their first or second choice. Democratic voters who still won't support Obama, I venture to say, will be few, and motivated by idiosyncratic or unadmirable factors.

As rough as Hillary's tactics may have been at times, does anyone doubt that Obama is right to say that he's a better candidate -- a far better one -- for having gone up against her for so long? His people definitely know this.

OMG.

That's all I'll say, Greg.

OMG.

;-)

That OMG was a compliment, as I read that paragraph as YOU were saying "he's a better candidate -- a far better one."

Didn't see "anyone doubt that Obama is right to say"

Doah!

I thought you were saying it, Greg and got all tingly.

;-)

Greg,

On balance you are correct, it is called practice, practice, practice..... Also, it kept McCain at bay in that he had no clear target. Most pleased that she mended fences with and for her supporters, Rangel, Redell and so on. A battle with that group or unnecessary contest for any of them would have been sad. It seem all relevant Americans are now poised to move ahead............

The Clintons will consume another news cycle on Monday. Will it spill into Tuesday?

When will it really be over?

I disagree. The Clintons will be in the news cyclce but they will not dominate it on Monday. Starting Monday BO is kicking of his two week economy tour and be sure he will take jabs at McCain.

I think the best part of the entire speech was hearing the boos fade away as it went on. In the beginning I could hearing booing amid the applause when she began to praise Obama, but by the end of the speech all I could hear was begrudging but hearty support for Obama. Well done Ms. Clinton.

it's like when the cleveland indians came close to catching the white sox in 05, it was just the competition needed to dominate in the playoffs and with the world series. JUST LIKE THAT.

Taylor Marsh today:

Hillary is a better candidate today and all I can do is dream about tomorrow. I stand by her today, tomorrow, anywhere, any time, any year. Today and tomorrow that requires me to do everything I can to defeat John McCain, and make sure Barack Obama is elected president in November. That's exactly what I intend to do.

Good Lord! I went to TM's web site once during the primary season and ran (figuratively) running, screaming away! I'm rather stunned (pleasantly so).

Clinton's supporters can be very proud of her today (as I'm sure they have been on other days) and I trust that those who truly cared for what she was trying to do will now listen to and follow her plea for unity.

I think/hope that she may have turned a corner for herself. Sometimes losing a life-long dream can be very freeing and allow for things that weren't dreamed of. I hope so for her.

Taylor Marsh was over it and on Obama's side by Wednesday morning -- by her own admission. She is, it turns out, a Democrat first. But those on her Web site were horrified at the first "let's support Obama" messages and practically blasted her out of her own blog.

I'm excited about getting this donation narrative going again. McCain and the RNC just stepped up theirs, now with the Clinton supporters on board, can you imagine the kind of numbers we could throw down for Obama!

Power to the people.

OBAMA's message sounded a little like Blah, Blah, Blah.

It sounded just like Howard Dean's in the DNC email I just got:

Senator Clinton ran an outstanding campaign and we all should be deeply thankful for the passion, energy, and ideas that defined her from the start. Our country and our Party are better off today because the incredible amount of work she and her supporters put into her campaign. We thank Hillary for her leadership, her commitment to America and the Democratic Party.

LOL.

ohh and not one dime will we donate.

"We"?

Look past your anger, Michelle.

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It would seem obvious that Obama and the DNC can expect “not one dime” from any McSame troll.

Power to the people, right on

Say we want a revolution
We better get on right away
Well you get on your feet
And on the street

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

Oh, when your man is working for nothing
You better give 'em what they really own
We got to put you down
When we come into town

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

I'm gonna ask you comrade and brother
How do you treat your own woman back home
She got to be herself
So she can give herself

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

Oh well, power to the people

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That's another one that is screaming for a sound reference.

Cheers. Longtime TPM reader and non-participant.

I was just thinking what a nice unity gesture it might be if grassroots Obama supporters started some sort of campaign/website to retire Clinton's campaign debt. It gets kinda sticky for Obama08 to offer their war chest (donated in good faith in some small part by people who aren't exactly Clinton fans)and it gets positively toxic for Clinton to make a bargaining chip of the matter.

It might be nice (as much for the Democratic community as for the candidates) if Obama supporters acting outside the aegis of Obama08 launched a Thank You, Hillary Debt Retirement Drive between now and the convention. My understanding is that once the convention arrives, the campaign cannot repay the money loaned by the Clinton's themselves.

Or not, as the case may be.

You can call Lanny Davis Monday AM and ask him to set up such a site -- he likes to set up websites.
But I don't think it's a bad a idea. Idealism and a desire for unity are nice and all, but retiring millions in campaign debt is priceless.

It gets kinda sticky for Obama08 to offer their war chest (donated in good faith in some small part by people who aren't exactly Clinton fans)and it gets positively toxic for Clinton to make a bargaining chip of the matter.

That won't be happening because it wouldn't be legal.

All Obama can do now is fund raise for her specifically, like he iis doing on his site, and have his big donors make big contributions to her campaign, which they will.

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I can appreciate the feelings behind the gesture, but really - think!

Their tax returns showed they made 109 million. That is 109 with six zeros!. They are big money people. They know when you make an investment, you take a risk. Loosing 30 mil is not going to hurt them all that bad.

Considering that Bill got $800,000 for 4 speaking engagements on just the Columbia trade deal alone (that's 200 grand per appearance, btw), I am sure they will be perfectly fine if they lose that little pocket change come August.

Okay, I guess I will finally bury the hatchet I have against Clinton due to her acts played out in this race, now that its over. :(

But its funny watching the Republican pundits on TV damage controlling, lol. "Barack Obama is the most liberal senator in the party" hahaha

The Republicans are doomed.

It gets kinda sticky for Obama08 to offer their war chest (donated in good faith in some small part by people who aren't exactly Clinton fans)and it gets positively toxic for Clinton to make a bargaining chip of the matter.

That won't be happening because it wouldn't be legal.

All Obama can do now is fund raise for her specifically, like he iis doing on his site, and have his big donors make big contributions to her campaign, which they will.

Fine print sez:

After submitting a comment it may take several minutes to appear. Please only submit your comment once.

What part of once do you have trouble understanding?

Actually Bill, I submitted it a second time because it didn't go into the thread I wanted it to.

Is that OK with you, Bill?

Is that OK with you, Bill?

No, not really. But ya shuddun give a turd bout wats bein OK wid me. Cantcha tell you is bein need razzed? Maybe not.

Most of yer post-its bein smak on the munny, hunny. Reel good contributatin. Too bad yer pickshur is so ugly.

I apologize you purrrrrrfect thing you. I didn't catch the snark. Been busy fighting the trolls. Hope you understand.

(And that picture was the best I could come up with out of hundreds shot by a professional. Now I'm going to go stick my head in the oven, if you don't mind, Bill.) ;-0

I remain a Clinton supporter. I believe she has the party's best interest at heart.

I remain skeptical that an Obama presidency would result in a better world than a Clinton presidency.

But I will no longer attack Obama other than keeping him honest on policy and promises. I'm certain I will still disagree with some of what he does and says.

And in the end I likely will support his candidacy.


Here's a thought. How about you focus your energy on taking down McCain instead of attacking Obama on anything policy wise, at least until he wins in November??!!

Then, after that, if he fails to meet your specifics needs, write him, write about it, scream it from the roof tops for all I care.

But give the guy a fucking break. A REAL break. Not this half-assed, "I won't attack Obama until unless" break you just mentioned.

Think you can do that? Are you capable of doing that?

If I say, please?

I think I just did.

"But I will no longer attack Obama..."

Then you added a caveat:

"other than keeping him honest on policy and promises"

So you really didn't make a positive offer.

This is what you said: "I won't do X, unless."

I think you're going a little far Josh. We all have to hold Obama accountable, now and when he is elected. I think it's a fair statement.

The real fogu2 revealed (or at least your eyes).

I don't think we can ask anyone to change their minds overnight.

Thank you for you consideration!

We all look to keep Obama honest and on track.

Your welcome.

I think the posters here that are finally acknowledging Clinton's value, her tenacity and her genuine support of Obama, help persuade her supporters that Obama is to be trusted and supported by those who were (or are) skeptical.

The easiest way to beat McCain is to convert all Clinton supporters to Obama supporters.

I agree. Reconciliation doesn't happen overnight. We all have to make an effort from here on out to respect each other.

The Democratic party has always been a huge pot of different interests. This year is no different.

We all stand together on the issues facing this Nation and can be rest assured that the Democratic (the Clinton and Obama) way is the best way to see them brought about.

Voting for the Republicans and John McCain only ensures the survival of the Bush policies and downward direction this Nation has taken since 2001.

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I agree Fogu.

To help you out, here is Obama's stance on open government.
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/#bring-americans-back

You will be able to check on Obama. From broadcasting every government meeting, to google for government so you can see where every dollar is spent. He even promises he will not sign any bill that comes to his desk for 5 days so the public can weigh in on it.

You can be that voice that is ever vigilant. You can be that voice that keeps Obama honest to his campaign promises. I personally think you will not have a problem, but Obama is not asking you to blindly trust. He will open the government for all to see. The best disinfectant is sunshine.

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Thank you, and we will all keep his feet to the fire. He expects it. Notwithstanding my utter disagreement about the clintons, thank you.

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Let us all do what we can to get him elected in November, then blast away to keep him honest. I have had every intention of doing all I can to keep him honest and progressive if he becomes something other than what he campaign's on, and I am a n ardent Obama supporter.

But the key is, get him into office because the alternative is unthinkable.

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Dunno about Hillary's to-the-end campaign having toughened up Obama for the GE.  Maybe.

The biggest benefit I see from her campaign is the excitement she brought to all the primary and caucus states.  Read: huge increase in Democratic voter registration and turn-out.  That'll pay off big in November.

To do that, she had to put denial in her pocket and play out the string with a straight face.

I'm quite OK with her taking time to let her supporters down slowly.  No problem with her not conceding on Tuesday night.  What's a few days when there's so much time left 'til the Big One?

Her semi-feckless pandering and triangulating were a disappointment to me.  Glad to see it didn't work.  I kinda wonder if Mark Penn was really her first choice, or if Big Dog railroaded her in that direction?  I think we'll never know.

thejoshuablog: He sees black people.

More false charges of racism.

Which of course is why many Clinton supporters can't stand Obama.

He embraces the Clarence Thomas strategy: blame every instance of opposition on racism - that way, you don't have to really self-examine.

Just like Bush and his supporters who consistently blamed every criticism on knee-jerk, partisan hatred of conservatism.

Obama = Bush

Obama supporters = Bush supporters

Eight more years of the same arrogant, opponent-belittling, elitist dismissal of critics and political philosophy as religion?

No thanks.

False charges?

Perhaps you missed this upthread:

HELL NO I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR THIS NIGGA PRESIDENT
..I WILL ONLY VOTE FOR WHITE PEOPLE NOT NIGGAR KKK
Posted by THO4HILLARYCLINTON

THO4HILL is clearly a Republican, lol.

Nobama, your post makes no sense at all.
btw, you're going to be seeing Mo-bama....and lots of it;)

Only a racist would think calling Obama a NIGGAR is not racist.

I hope you can look past your anger and disappointment at this moment and can look to the future in the coming months and what we must change.

Politicians are easy enough to compare to other politicians. Bush and Obama are opposite sides of the same coin. Bush played to people's worst instincts (fear). Obama to their best (hope).

I also hope you understand that everyday people fund Obama's campaign, by and large, and that we WILL hold him responsible to his message. Bush was funded by and large by big money, corporations, and the rich- and you see that reflected in his "leadership".

Opposites, some times because they are both extremes, are easy enough to compare to each other. However, the differences are real.

I hope you can see that Obama will change Washington. He has already thrown PAC money out of the DNC. An important symbolic effort and first step. More will come....

Yes, we can!

This is one of the Trolls from Taylor Marsh who infects political like a venereal disease.

I truly don't understand people who think they are supporting Clinton by working for Obama's defeat. Everything Hillary holds will will suffer in a McCain administration, and in an Obama administration Hillary will be able to do so much good. It is a bizarre kind of support that ignores everything she wants and believes in.

And Greg, you are right. If Obama had won New Hampshire he would be far less ready for the battle ahead. Hillary Clinton is ten times the opponent of John McCain. And I look forward to her turning her ample skills to him!

Hillary was great today.

They're Republican trolls.

Exactly, ignore the McCain trolls posing as bitter Clintonites -- the real Clinton supporters are speaking up and doing so honorably.

Many thanks to those who are restoring my faith in the considered judgment of intra-partisan progressives.

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Not all of them. I'm afraid there's a small contingent of sincere Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain purely out of spite. These are people of low intelligence and arrested emotional development, and many appear to be mentally ill. There's no sense trying to reach out; thankfully, Obama will not need their votes.

Great speech Hillary! 90% of it was about you of course, and you got a real sour look on your face when you had to spit out anything good about Obama, but you made it through it somehow without cracking up. Let's hope all your supporters will follow you in supporting the Obama campaign, as you asked them to. Now, let's get after McCain, whom you somehow forgot to ever mention in your speech.

I'd like to throw out there that any Clinton supporter who is wavering on Obama should really go check him out in person.

I had my doubts about his rallies being a big "Kumbaya" festival or being impersonal or a cult of personality or being a bit "American Idol".

My thoughts were changed being at the Xcel Center on Tuesday night.

Amazing how so many different people were brought together (ethnicities, ages, classes, backgrounds, man and woman). Clinton and Obama supporters were there and we all stood together. It really was very unifying and genuinely moving.

And "no" it was not a cult of personality there that night. Rather it was people who wanted to reject Bush and his policies, who believed in an America where we are all in it together, and who have hope that we can change Washington for the better. People that want to improve their position and ensure a prosperous future for them and theirs. We were people that wanted to be heard, not fall in line behind a personality or a speech.

I would recommend going to a rally or meeting. I think you will find the supporters warm and receptive and the candidate very well spoken and intelligent.

I think anyone who had doubts that night about Obama, had them summarily vanquished. I think, with an open mind, the same could happen to you.

Greg: "As rough as Hillary's tactics may have been at times, does anyone doubt that Obama is right to say that he's a better candidate -- a far better one -- for having gone up against her for so long? His people definitely know this."

The end justifies the means? I don't think so.

Her tactics since February failed to sink his candidacy, which is what she'd intended they do. One consequence -- not result, but consequence -- is that he became a better candidate. So what? He's a thinking, growing, evolving human being -- he would have become a better candidate even if he'd been running against a ground hog. Which of the two, Clinton or the ground hog, would have better contributed to making him a better candidate?

Imagine how much better a candidate he might be now if she'd run a remarkably ethical and honest campaign. If she'd done that, she might even have won. And if she had, wouldn't she have become a far, far, far better candidate than she turned out to be?

What if their competition had become one of outdoing each other in reaching for a higher level of politics? Whoever would have won would have won fair and square, on the high ground. We wouldn't all feel somewhat dirtied. We wouldn't have any polarisation; quite the opposite. We'd all be celebrating having broken the ceiling of dishonest, underhanded, degraded and disgusting politics.

We would all, every single one of us, be better people, and far better off, if she'd merely conceded months ago.

So, no, don't tell me he, or anyone else, is better for having endured an immoral political war that should never have been authorised or fought in the first place.

Forget the past, let go. Look to the future and how we best get there.

If we expect Clinton supporters to let go of their issues with Obama and support him in the fall, we have to let go of our issues with Clinton to ensure that.

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Yup!

My intention wasn't to criticise Clinton. I wanted to repudiate the notion expressed by Greg that her less than admirable behaviour since February is in any way justified, let alone meritorious, because, as one of its consequences, Obama became a better candidate.

Good is never the consequence of evil. When it looks like it might be, it's because one is neglecting to give credit where it is due: to whomever responded to evil with good.

Obama may be better than most at this. He may have gotten better at it as a consequence of being obliged to respond to Clinton. Or he may not have. He may even have gotten worse at it. I don't know. But if he did get better, it would be entirely to his credit and not at all to hers.

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One often reads many jewels of wisdom here at TPM Cafe.

Your post FreeBubba is a diamond.

When I wrote it, it was a rather late addition to the conversation, what with they speed with which things come and go here, and I wondered if anyone would even read it. So, thanks for the delightful surprise of your appreciation. :)

Concern noted!

HE told you that. Barack Obama -- HE said that. In his speech on Tues. night HE said that he was a better candidate having run against her.

OBAMA. SAID. THAT.

If Obama's supporters and Hillary's supporters could muster just a bit of the grace that THEIR CANDIDATES have shown then we might just have a chance at winning back the White House.

Give that some thought.

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It's clear that Obama benefited from the long campaign, even though it was pure agony for his followers. And I won't suggest we pretend Hillary did it out of altruism. But better he go through the fires early and come out wiser and stronger to deal with the fires undoubtedly coming later.

Even though he and his campaign handled most of it expertly they learned a lot frmo her kitchen sink attacks. He's really battle-tested. He's more ready to face the Repubs now than he was a few months back.

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It's clear that Obama benefited from the long campaign, even though it was pure agony for his followers.

He certainly improved in debates, becoming more comfortable and polished as the campaign went on.

Some of the other tactics Clinton used, not so much, but I'm willing to let it go now. We need to move on and concentrate on November.

Absolutely agreed. Ironically enough, the candidates were tempered (note the vast improvement in Hillary's speechmaking), it's the supporters that got all wobbly.

More and more as the campaign went on, I began to look at the candidates and think "how do they do it?". It's really surreal to look at "politicians" and feel humbled by their character.

It is over. Senator Clinton has conceded and has thrown her support behind Senator Obama. Stop picking at old scabs. Time to let them heal.

I understand why some of Senator Clinton's supporters are still suffering. It has been a long hard fought campaign. They threw their hearts and souls into the effort to have their candidate win the nomination. They should be proud of that, and I congratulate them on staying power. We can use their determination on our side as we take on the Republicans.

I can understanding and be accepting of some sore feelings being expressed by disappointed supporters of Senator Clinton. That is natural. What is not acceptable is the bitterness being expressed by some sore winners. Show some class. Senator Obama is the nominee of our Democratic party. Let us all move forward together to defeat the real enemy, Senator Bush McCain and his war mongering cabal.

Let bygones be bygones. We are on the one road now, serving a common cause in the service of a more just and fair America.

Time to reunite;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqyW1XQrNhk


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Ditto, and good post. On to the general, forget about the clintons. On to mcbush!

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I'm genuinely glad to see you write this, Liam. We can't let ourselves fail to achieve our goal because of our anger.

We're all fired up - in the right way - and ready to go!

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Ahhh, the clintons clearly made obama a better candidate. They were slimy and obnoxious and were playing the republican playbook, but he is clearly a better candidate. He has been totally under fire. I can't stand the clintons, but in a weird sort of way they probably did obama and the dems a huge favor. Talk about tested and vetted. The republicans will copy the same playbook, they already are, and I would surmise that the same result will occur in november, but it won't be as close. On to the general, mcbush doesn't have a chance.

DUST OFF AND NUKE THE SITE FROM ORBIT

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does anyone doubt that Obama is right to say that he's a better candidate -- a far better one -- for having gone up against her for so long?

Does anyone doubt that Sargent can't say anything positive about Obama without trying to make it about Clinton?

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Nope, he's got to be a relative. I am dying to find out why tpm was in the bag, regurgitating talking points and praising the clintons for EVERYTHING, while bagging big time on Obama. Comeon guys we want to know. The clintons are history, you can tell us now.

Correction...Smokin' HOT!

You are absolutely pathetic. The mere fact that you would vote for a republican, a republican who stands for methods Hillay Clinton would object fully, unmasks your spite. What Obama stands for closely parallels what Hillary stands for, and yet you choose to wrathfully vote for McCain and his outdated trickle-down policies. God you are a sore loser. You're part of the ignorantly educated minutia wandering around. You don't even realize how you've just compromised your beliefs. Sad person.

I have to admit I felt, and still feel all warm and fuzzy inside after today. I guess we Obamaniacs are like that...all "hopey and changey"

Really good post.

The Great and Growing Divide

Many of us watched today as Hillary Clinton said something that physically hurt to hear. She asked us to support Barack Obama. Loyal Democrat that she is, and true to her word, Hillary did the unimaginable. She asked the rest of us to support someone that many of us actually loathe. And that is putting it mildly.

But Hillary did something else today that is already having ramifications throughout the country. Hillary supporters are taking sides. And there are basically two camps. One camp that is sticking with the party and one camp that isn’t
Reforming the party from within is wishful thinking. The only way a party reforms is by humiliating defeat, running off the rails, or egregious abuse in the opposition party.
If BO is elected, they will be in charge of the party…in fact are in charge of the party as we speak. Try to go talk to them about reform. Go talk to them about counting every vote…about changing the caucus system to transparent primaries. Tell them how you feel about it. I think we all know what the attitude will be.
For me…my only recourse is to withhold my support from the current party leadership and the BO party leadership. It’s a drop in the bucket but I don’t feel like I will be complicit in Republican style tactics…even if they worked.

Ronmaven echoed the sentiment and clarified it:
The defeat of Obama would be the best kick in the pants for the DNC we could possibly deliver. You want to CHANGE the party? Vote for McCain. You want the party to only get worse? Vote for O.
To some, NOT supporting Obama is the moral thing to do.

Ccwarrior perhaps says it best:
easy decision for me I will sellout the party that SOLD me out. and I can live with that. I would never dis-respect my daughters, and vote for Obama after the treatment they witnessed from him doing this election …NEVER

But I have saved the best for last. Before I put it out there I want to make one thing very clear. I have nothing but the deepest respect for linfar. She has been a staunch Hillary supporter and she is such an excellent writer. I just happen to totally disagree with her about Obama and unfortunately may have to write things in the future that criticize her positions. It isn’t something I look forward to.

But having said that I think that unfortunately linfar grabbed a mug full of the Cult-Aide today because low and behold, she quotes from none other than the Prince of Darkness himself (Jonathan Singer) to make her point.

from mydd
Singer: Can you speak to the online supporters, the people online who are so strong for Hillary, who don’t want to see her leave, as a strong

Hillary supporter yourself?
Sen. Chuck Schumer: As a strong Hillary support I say, look, I was for Hillary all the way. I was sort of the first Senator to endorse her and I guess I’ll be the last off the bandwagon, which I guess will be tomorrow. But, having said that, I would say to all of the people online, there’s too much at stake to sit this out, to be angry, to be bitter. There is too much at stake. A Supreme Court with more Alitos and Roberts. A continuation of the war in Iraq.

A failure to have a healthcare policy that helps people. A failure to have an energy policy that frees us from foreign oil. All these are such huge things that we have to do what Hillary said there, which is overcome, not look back, even though there are lot’s of disappointments, but look forward.

I expected these bugaboos coming from Schumer. But a little reality never hurt anyone. Except Cultists I’m told. We hear the same nonsense you would expect from otherwise seemingly reasonable people. The trouble is that they think they will be able to bamboozle and scare us with their line of bullshit.

Everything Schumer mentions is something that the Congress controls, not the President. Supreme Court… confirmed by the Senate. Iraq War funding…. controlled by Congress. Health Care policy…. written by Congress. Energy policy… written by Congress.

SO WAKE UP! And stop letting these people get away with lying to you.

The reason Bush has got away with so much and has done as much damage as he has these past 7 years is because of a weak, feckless and complicit Congress. A Congress that has allowed him to do everything he has done. Because a strong Congress acting in the best interests of the American people would never have allowed Bush to do many of the things they are so fond of complaining about.

Where were the Articles of Impeachment? The Speaker of the House said that they would never be introduced.

Why has the Congress continued to fund the war? The Senate Majority leader doesn’t know how to throw a knock out punch.

Why are Americans still being spied upon? WHY?!?
In fact, the Supreme Court that Schumer and others are warning us about has done more to stop Bush than all of the Democrats in Congress combined. So enough of these silly myths. I half expect Obama to come out next and state: “You are either for us or against us.” Wanna guess what my answer will be?

These spats. This falling apart is expected. And it will likely become more vicious and personal as the days wear on. I fully understand those that are toeing the party line. I used to be one of them. Until this year. Until the Democratic party proved to me that it didn’t really stand for anything any more.

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Not sure what you (or rather the post you culled) are talking about. Clinton was not talking about, nor represents "reform" of the party. It is delusional to suggest she was/is. Her and her husband founded the DLC and have been in control of the party for almost a decade and a half.

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Must you spam this on every post?

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How charmingly naive.

You seem to not at all notice that it was the party reformers who won the primary, vs. the entrenched DLC hierarchy that has been so effective at losing elections and giving away the farm these past twenty years. Hillary was their candidate. So what you're saying is, DLC or the highway? If so, maybe you have a point, since your Republican sympathies already outweighed your Democratic ones. Might as well switch over.

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That's not naive. It's delusional. At best.

if i so chose to.

As Coroner I must aver,
I thoroughly examined her.
And she's not only merely dead,
She's really, most sincerely dead.

Then this is a day of Independence,
for all true Democrats and their descendants.