Obama Camp: McCain Flip-Flopped On Question Of Whether Specter Of Terrorism Helps Him Politically!
Did McCain actually flip flop on the question of whether scenes of international violence help him politically? Looks that way.
The Obama campaign is keeping up the pressure on the McCain campaign over top McCain adviser Charlie Black's assertion that a terror attack on U.S. soil would benefit McCain, which McCain subsequently disavowed. On a conference call with reporters moments ago, the Obama camp said it had dug up a quote from McCain back in December when he did in fact say that the specter of attacks helped him.
Black had also said that the Bhutto assassination had helped McCain. And the McCain camp disavowed this, too. But here's what McCain said back when the assassination happened:
In an interview with reporters after the event, McCain said, "I would hate for this tragedy to affect anyone's campaign." But he was quick to add that "my theme throughout this campaign has been that I'm the one with the experience, the knowledge, and the judgment. Perhaps it may serve to enhance those credentials."
On the call, one of Obama foreign policy advisers drolly noted the inconsistency. "Back in Decmember, he said something very different," he said. "He said that the assassination...would enhance his national security credibility."
Yep. Wonder if the big news orgs will note this in their coverage of McCain's "disavowal" of Black's remarks.
Late Update: Just to clarify, this is important because it suggests that McCain really does think what Black inadvertently revealed.
Late Update: Here's the audio from the call:
















For the love of all that is holy, can we PLEASE stop with the flip-flop crap?! I thought we ran that well dry the LAST presidential election. Plus, I'm just sick of hearing the term flip-flop. Sheesh.
June 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
As they say, payback is a bitch ;)
I hated the term when they used it against Kerry, especially because he didn't really "flip flop", but now that karma is feeding the Republicans their own crap, and now that McCain REALLY flip flops, I delight in the sweet irony.
June 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm totally fine with it. McCain has changed his position on almost every major policy issue and he has to be called out on it.
June 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
He has changed on illegal immigration...but that was because he was wrong and he was called out by his base. So he said he changed based on that.
June 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
..he has also changed his mind on the religious right.
June 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
And public campaign financing ...
June 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
..and the Bush Tax cuts.
June 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason he was against them in the first place was cuz GWB kicked his butt in the 2000 primary. He's otherwise been a pretty reliable tax cutter. His personal vendetta has come back to haunt him on that one.
June 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please, let us elect a president who makes policy decisions on personal vendettas!
That's a winning explanation.
June 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
...I told you he was my 3rd choice out of 3 possibilities...
June 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I don't remember that.
But, either way, you're really reaching for defenses here.
June 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I might even call them "Kerry-esque."
June 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly! SF, the thing that worried me (and I think a lot of Dems) about McCain a year ago is that he had some pretty middle of the road views on governing that could bring a lot of people to his camp, but since he's clinched the nomination he's been running towards his base on a myriad of issues. What you see as McCain's policies coming into line with your own, the rest of the country sees as flip-flops...
June 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and offshore drilling
June 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
off shore drilling he says she be up to the states...that's a flip flop from...?
June 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
off shore drilling he says she be up to the states...that's a flip flop from...?
from supporting a federal ban. If he thought it should be up to the states, he should not have supported a federal ban. On the other hand, it clearly should not be up to the states. The continental shelf off the coast of our country is a national resource, not a local one. Just as Wyoming has no right to decide whether snowmobiles are allowed in the Yellowstone National Park.
June 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
..his stance on Cuba.
June 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
..the confederate flag
June 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't call this a "flip flop" he admitted it was an "act of political cowardice..." to not oppose it originally.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003
June 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd call it a flip flop. http://youtube.com/watch?v=WN8EMmML-es
June 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
on Privatizing Social Secuirty..
June 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
..On Ethanol
June 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was against the production of ethanol?
June 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Small distinction...the specter of terrorism vs. an actuall attack...(or does that sound too much like "I was for the bill before I was against it?").
June 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kerry is old news, SFC.
June 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
No.
This has been another edition....
The NY Times buried this in a tiny box in the campaign coverage.
Can you imagine the media firestorm had David Axelrod said that a bad economy would help Obama?
Can you imagine the blaring headlines on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC? "Obama thinks it's good that people are hurting!!!!!"
BTW, if anyone wants to get really riled up over the atrocious way that the McCain campaign is covered by journalists, take a look at this week's The Nation.
Warning: you may want to vomit, after.
June 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, it is surprising that this wasn't a big story. very odd (not)
June 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Greg - do you suppose that now we are seeing why they didn't call for Black to be fired?
He really is going to keep giving - so why look a gift horse in the mouth?
June 24, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
fair enough!
June 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hooo! Greg woulda never pass up da chance to reply on a commentation bout Horsies' Moufs!
June 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they didn't call for Black to be fired because Hillary Clinton said essentially the same thing as Black.
June 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the weirdest (not the worst) part of Black's statements were that somehow John McCain was better fit to get us through Bhutto's assassination?!?! It's so non-sensical and ridiculous it's difficult to respond to other than repeating: These guys are just idiots.
Not to mention that if there were a terrorist attack before the elections, wouldn't that mean it had taken place on Bush's watch?
June 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, I was pretty shaken up by the whole Bhutto thing....and the prospect of John McCain taking the reins of power next year just made me feel safe.
I am currently hiding in my house with the shades drawn, having heard about the unrest in Zimbabwe, and the shots fired near the Israeli Prime Minister
All I can say is luckily John McCain is there for us.
June 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I could do that - that was so funny!
(although I was shaken by Bhutto's assassination)
June 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you covered your windows with plastic sheeting and duct tape?
June 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain disagrees with John McCain? Now that's a true MAVERICK.
June 24, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
June 24, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maverick? OK, but what flavor Maverick?
Bart's boxers, or Brett's briefs? Nationally Enquiring MTVer's wanna know!
June 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I say McCain should trade Charlie Black for Don Imus and a first round draft pick.
June 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!
June 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice, score: Obama 114, McCain 0
June 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
The talk about whether or not a terrorist attack helps the Republican candidate reminds me of this quote from McCain back in March:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/mccain-says-he-is-worried-about-pre-election-iraq-attack/
June 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
hah. this is the essence of the contradiction here. terror attacks hurt the GOP because terrorists supposedly want a dem in the white house. but they help the GOP because no one can trust a dem on national security. (so goes the argument, anyway)
June 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know something's going awry in the GOP when they can't even fear-monger in the same direction.
June 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Springfield Country Club in suburban Philadelphia"... I wonder if Obama was there drinking a martini and making snide remarks...
/snark
June 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's it going to take for the media to quit propping up McLame? Is it hopeless - will they just keep on doing it?
June 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
They love their horse races. They want the ratings from the Clinton/Obama contest until November.
June 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
There has to be more to the media's refusal to go after McCain than his backyard barbecues, like orders from senior management. Evidently, former POWs are sacrosanct.
June 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it will take a lot of money on Obama's side to tell some truths in purchased political ads because that truth-telling is something the corporate MSM refuses to do. Donate to Obama, folks.
June 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
From near the end of the article in The Nation:
What's it going to take for the media to stop propping up McCain?
A huge embarassing gaffe that cannot be explained away.
Link to The Nation: Loving John McCain
June 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ni-i-i-i-ce!!
June 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, "liberal Nicholas Kristof". Did the Nation really say that? What a catch-22... exclude the quote and reduce the credibility of your argument; include the quote and reduce the credibility of you.
One thing I despise about the whole flip-flop argument is the assumption that a politican cannot and should not legitimately change their mind. I've had enough of that crap with Bush, "well, at least he sticks to his guns!" Even when they're pointed at his head. Not that McCain isn't a flip-flopper - someone who can offer no rational reason for why they changed their mind - but just sayin'.
June 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shades of Commander CooCoo Bananas. I think Bush took what remained of McLame's brain out in '04 and has it in a glass jar somewhere. He's just a Bush sock puppet now.
June 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I continue to be impressed at the way Barack Obama plays offense. Instead of being constantly on the defensive, like our past two Democratic presidential nominees, he doesn't let the Republicans direct his own campaign. It's very good to see a Democrat play offense, isn't it? Especially when he's so very good at it!
June 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now we know why O'Bama's not demanding Black's head on this
Two heads are better than one
June 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the media props up McCain for two reasons. One being they want a close election in November because it will be a boon for ratings and the second reason being that he cosies up to the media like no other whereas Obama's Campaign is really restricting access to their candidate. Media denied access to Obama gets angry and it effects their coverage - I mean he is negatively affecting their livelihood because they can't get access and possibly juicy stories.
It's utterly shameful that McCain's constant contradictions get no MSM play and this whole deal with Black was covered less than the faux Presidential seal issue.
It's not news it's infotainment, and in a 24 hour news cycle, a stronger election battle means better ratings and thus more ad money for the networks.
I'd love to see polling done that would seperate internet users from non-internet users.
June 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Middlenames, catfood and Donna G -
All excellent comments. The media follows the money - but I've never been able to understand the love affair with McMavericky, except that he was always a walking story - given his history.
June 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think I like Alterman's interpretation better. They love the image of McCain, in the same self-delusionary way that George W. Bush looked into the eyes of Putin and knew his soul.
They love an imaginary creature.
June 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and protecting abortion rights in cases of rape and incest
June 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
that comment belongs way upstream (down stream?)
anyway it's another McCain flip-flip
June 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jonze - I agree with you but that doesn't address this love affair that has gone on for years between McLame and the media. This isn't something that came up just this election. I agree this contest is great for their business - so was the primary. That's one reason it kept going and seemed to close to open warfare - the press were living off the story for as long as they could keep it going.
The media has been loving them some McMavericky for years. And there's very little there there with McLame- he's not very bright, really, at all.
June 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
The thing that bothers me the very most about the last 8 years, and McLame is up to his eyebrows in it, is the matter of war crimes: torture. What upsets me is that so few Americans seem to care.
I find that shocking. I can't believe more hasn't been made out of his vote on the torture bill. I really can't.
Why aren't people outraged about what we did? It has devastated me, emotionally, morally, and intellectually, that we are now that kind of nation.
June 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's difficult to address the issue of media bias because it's safe to say many in the media are enamored with Obama, too. It does seem like Obama's gaffes are overreported and McCain's are underreported, though...but maybe that's a function of the public's reaction/interest? Are gaffes taken more seriously when they come from the "unknown" candidate?
June 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Flip-flops and gaffes are only taken seriously when they come from the Democratic candidate.
I would argue that the depth and width of the media's adoration of McCain far outstrips the supposed favoritism towards Obama.
The media has been quite straightforward, for instance, in pointing out that Obama appears to have backed away from his pledge on campaign financing.
I don't see the same straightforward treatment of McCain.
But then, McCain fed them barbecue. Obama flew them to Chicago while he was in D.C.
June 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN has video of McCain's comments in September. They were made following the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. CNN's Dana Bash was with McCain at the time and asked him point blank if he thought a terror attack would help him and he said "yes."
Dana reported this verbally in the morning. But the time the Situtation Room aired, they had dug up the video!
June 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I believe McCain's comments were in December, not September.
June 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is typical Reppub strategy: the interests of the party and getting elected ALWAYS trumps the national interest.
I'm not a "grassy-knoll" or "black helicopter" type, but there is no question in my mind that the Repubs secretly contacted Iran during the 1980 election to not release the hostages, and thus helped sabotage Jimmy Carter's re-election efforts.
June 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I've look at lies from both sides now." Senator Janus McCain
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/K/A/2/the-maverick.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/H/7/2/mccain-debates-himself-lk05.jpg
June 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
For goodness sake, cannot the VA find McSame a room in their old folks home? He is not flip-flopping, he is simply being a Republican living in an alternate reality not unlike HRC for the past 6 months.
June 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attack on America helps McCain; Charlie Blackand McCain help Obama's election.
If I were running the Obama Campaign, I would not even mention Charlie Black's name at this point because if McCain fires him NOW, the damage will be short-lived and will not have much effect on the election day. This guy could be the end of McCain's campaign. I would keep gathering all the concrete information about his associations in the mean time and use them in explosion about 2 weeks before the election day, 10 times every day and in every public appearance, to have maximum gain out of it.
McCain's own remark similar to it can be recalled: He said the same thing about Bush in 2004 (?) that an attack would help the latter's re-election to the White House. As recently as before Iowa primary, Huckabee accused McCain of "playing political games" with the attack (AP).
Obama should hold on to these things for later use in an explosive manner. This issue alone can easily knock off McCain from the scene.
If used properly, Obama could win over 35 states.
June 24, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And lest anyone forget, many Americans, but no one on here surely, that McCain was against torture before he was 'for' it. As in, voting 'for' it in cases involving CIA interrogations. Never mind that he could've voted 'no' and it still would've passed. he voted for it because it was political, pure and simple. the McCain of 2000 would've voted no and that wouldve been the end of it. he wouldve been consistent and no one wouldve dared call him on it. but this version isn't 'strong' enough to have done that. he has shown himself for the ego that he has, the one that has overwhelmed his integrity and he's taken every position under the political sun. anything to get him into the WH. sorry, sir, but you don't get it that way. you are not a 'straight talker'. good nite.
June 24, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everything "our" government says is a lie!!
It’s that simple.
But do not expect Americans to believe it, not most anyways.
They would rather be led than to lead.
Those who do follow it are patriots, the rest of us and the world call it "acting like cows going to slaughter" because that is exactly what the USA government expects Americans to do, and that is exactly what the USA government does.
They really do not care much about what others around the world say about us, as long as they get enough sh&t heads in America to believe them, they can act like Imperialists and bullies of the world.
As long as they keep the balance of "us" and "them" mind-set, most Americans will actually be happy to die for the USA government.
I wonder if the USA were to be bombed, would that help McCain, or would that get rid of enough American "cows" that the rest of us could take over and create a new Declaration of Independence....a new country, where We the People, really do govern and make the rules?
Maybe this attack that the McCain fool talks about would actually hurt McCain.
Is this the games they are playing with Americans?
Corey Mondello
Boston, Massachusetts
www.CoreyMondello.com
6-25-08
June 25, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink