Obama Blasts Back On Terror, Blames GOP For Bin Laden's Escape
If there were any doubts that the Obama campaign would respond aggressively to the sort of soft-on-terror attacks that felled John Kerry four years ago, Obama put them to rest today.
Here's Obama on the campaign plane, placing the blame squarely on the GOP for letting Bin Laden escape...
"Let's think about this: these are the same guys who helped engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9-11," Obama told reporters on his campaign plane..."What they're trying to do us what they've done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as a club to make the American people afraid," Obama said.
There's also this...
Reminded that the Republican playbook worked in the 2004 presidential race, Obama countered: "Well, it's 2008.""I'm looking forward to having a robust argument about this issue," he said. "I don't shy away from it."
This is key. Remember that this particular debate functions on two levels: First, on the substantive level, where Obama is of course rebutting the attacks by arguing that the GOP has made us less safe. But there's also another level here: The Republicans are also pushing the terror stuff to accomplish the larger goal of being perceived as the campaign on offense, at a time when the McCain camp is clearly not gathering speed as quickly as the Obama campaign is.
It's hard to believe right now, but it was only two years ago -- in the spring of 2006, during the midterm elections -- that many national Dems were still struggling to persuade themselves that they could win an argument against the GOP on national security. Obama, clearly, suffers from no such confidence deficit. Perhaps more important, he's saying so. Loud and clear.
Things are off to a very interesting start.















Also, isn't it really early for the GOP to pull the 9/11 card, and the 3 a.m. card?
Shouldn't they wait until the early fall to attack Obama hard on this issue?
The more they snipe about 9/11, the less effective it's going to be.
June 17, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are desperate! It is like the "I'm a POW" and Rudy's "9/11" defense. Pulling out your strongest weapons so early in a campaign is a speaks of desperation.
June 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction: Pulling out your strongest weapons so early in a campaign speaks of desperation.
June 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, it's great to have a candidate who understands that the thing that makes Democrats "look weak" isn't failing to be warlike enough, it's failing to stand up and fight for what you believe in.
We're going up against a party that suffered the greatest national-security failure of our lifetime and tried to duck responsibility for it, and then plunged into possibly the greatest foreign-policy disaster in our country's history, and are still trying to argue that they're the ones who should be trusted on national security!
June 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. That's all I really wanted to add.
June 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell no, they didn't duck responsibility for it! They wore it like a badge!
Fourtunately, that once-bright-and-shiny badge is now sooooo tarnished!
June 17, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
^^ "Fortunately," not "fourtunately." ^^
PLEASE GIVE US PREVIEW AND/OR EDIT!!!!
June 17, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
What really irks me is how on earth did the republicans get to be the "national security" party. Dems won ww I and ww II. Republicans were the cowardly party during both conflicts and wanted to keep america out. Dems f*cked up in vietnam by being too aggressive and getting us stuck in a quagmire.
Now, what exactly did republicans do to warrant being the national security party. They conquered panama and grenada, wow, that's huge. They crushed iraq in 91, with the world behind us. They fought tooth and nail to prevent clinton I from going aggressively after the terror threat in the 90's claiming that there was no threat. They were asleep at the switch leading up to 9/11 and then they got us stuck in a quagmire in Iraq.
Sooo, any of you republican trolls, what exactly are the republican party's "national security" qualifications? The republican party's record seems kind of weak to me. Unless I'm missing something.
Go obama, take it to them.
June 17, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, pardon me - After they explain that, I'd like them to explain how it is that they are the party to trust with the economy.
They've run that con just as long as the national security con.
All they know how to do is run up record deficits.
June 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent point. If anything, add in the economy they are the cluster-f*ck party. The alleged economic expansions under the b-movie actor and the king were fed in large part by huge record deficits. You would think at this point "trickle down economics" would be totally discredited. It's just a tool employed by the republicans to make the rich incredibly richer and screw everyone else. It will be nice if someday people wake up.
June 17, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that they are the party of "moral values" yet, when their candidates were lined up for the debates, there were like 25 marriages between them, most of which hadn't ended before the next lady was "on board".
They are also the party who openly and passionately hates "teh gays" yet our most amusing "bathroom and hooker" gay activities come out of, you guessed it, the GOP.
Weren't going to take special interest money, were going to restore "honor and dignity" to the White House (still have that mental image of Bush tapdancing on the porch), transparency in government, accountability, and lest we forget, we were NOT going to engage in nation building.
I'd say their pitching a perfect game!
PEACE
June 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgot to add GOBAMA!
June 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
They always run up the deficits, thet lose the wars, but the media repeats their lies over and over to the point of ridiculous. I cannot tell you how many people think the Democrats spend spend spend, never mind our budget deficit right now. Frankly, there are a lot of dumb, stubborn and ill-informed people voting Republican for all the wrong reasons.
June 17, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans are the "national security" party because they open the spigot of federal money for defense contractors who through one contrivance or another manage to steal billions from American taxpayers every year. I think of it as "white collar welfare."
Then Democrats come along and cut this sort of wasteful spending and the Republicans puppet the wishes of the defense contractors and scream that Dems don't care about national defense.
No matter that Democrats have given soldiers better pay increases, the GI Bill, education offsets for bases and an improved VA while Republicans have eliminated the education offset, privatized the VA and opposed the new GI Bill, people don't pay attention to WHAT the defense dollars go for, but what the total amount is.
So, smarter, leaner spending is, in the eyes of the media and the pundits, weaker on national defense that unlocking the treasury and giving wheelbarrows to defense contractors.
When national defense is measured by how much is spent, not how well it's spent, then Republicans win on national security because if nothing else, the Republican party exists to transfer money to the defense industry.
June 18, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
And....BOOM.
June 17, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, you are having a hell of a day - another really good post.
You're right - Democrats just kept cringing right up until now and this rocks.
June 17, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic:
I always say that Sebelius, Webb, Biden, and Hagel could be Obama's VP.
But what if the VP is Gov. Bill Richards.
- - Think about this for a moment, Obama has already named Patti Solis Doyle as the chief of staff for the VP.
- - this would be a very smart tactical move that I think will put Obama over the top with Hispanic support, its at 68% against McCain right now, it'll probably jump to 90%.
June 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know jefo, as much as my friends bristle at the mere mention of this, I sincerely think that Chuck Hagel would be one hell of a VP pick.
June 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Chuck Hagel would make a good pick too. Really Obama can't go wrong with any those four. Lets Hope he makes the right choice.
June 17, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Republicans NO NO NO!
Dammit. If something happens, that is just handing the country back tot he Republicans.
This is a Democratic administration. No Republicans.
June 17, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen! This romantic hankering for Hagel is beyond me -- he is as wacko right wing as the rest of them, except for the one Iraq issue now, having cheer led and voted for it back when it would have been wonderful to see his spine and conscience, may be even a little judgment and sense of morality...
June 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagel has been one of the few Republicans willing to break with Bush on the war but if people will check out his voting record he is EXTREMELY conservative on most issues. Definitely not a good choice for VP. I might not object to a lesser cabinet post if it was a reasonable fit.
June 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
One non-negotiable point for Chuck Hagel. He must caucus with dems for the remainder of this congress. This alllows Reid to strip LIEberman of his chairmanship and kick his bony a$$ out of the caucus.
June 17, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even Obama said he would have both parties involved in his administration. I don' think that is a bad thing. And frankly, I like Chuck Hagel. I don't agree with a lot of his views, but he is a stand-up guy.
June 17, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Big difference between having him "involved" and having him as vice president. How exactly would he campaign? He wouldn't be able to talk about anything but the war (the only point of shared policies between he and Obama) and the press/Republicans would have a field day with that.
June 17, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
For all of the reasons mentioned earlier in this thread -- that the Republicans have been, to a large extent, poser champions of national security, the economy and "family values" -- I must absolutely and unequivocably agree with Tena:
No Republican as VP!
Shouldn't do it.
Wouldn't be prudent.
June 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagel would be completely unacceptable as VP. Except for the war, the guy's a down-the-line Republican.
June 17, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Among other things, I seem to recall that Hagel has consistently voted against a woman's right to choose.
June 17, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah. Remember that excellent advice about not talking about Iraq??
Good grief. Thank goodness for Ned Lamont, and his primary victory. While he didn't win in November, his primary victory against you-know-who sure gave the Democrats a needed shot of backbone...
June 17, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, well. Not to open old wounds, but that's what you *have to do* when you triangulate to begin with. If you start with a principled stand, you can just keep going from there. Rhetorically speaking, it's much simpler :)
June 17, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Obama's response is going to require a reconfiguration by the McSame gang. They have been counting on Obama being a standard Democratic wuss like Pelosi or Reid. Too bad for them. Great for us. Even better for America.
June 17, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Pelosi and Reid are both doing a great job under incredible odds. They are not "wusses." They are doing the best that they can. Pelosi especially will go down as one of the great speakers of the house. Don't bag on them because they didn't impeach the king. They stopped him pretty much dead in his tracks, which is a good thing. Marginalize him and then when the new administration comes in flambeau him, darth vader and the rest of the nazi heirarchy. Turn them over to the hague and be done with them when they are out of power.
June 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
can i call Pelosi and Reid wusses for rolling over on the FISA bill?
oh, and Reid is a double wuss for voting Yea on the AUMF.
and a triple scoop of wuss for seeking unacceptable, undermining compromises on any number of important issues that shouldn't ever be given the approval of reasonable people, let alone Democrats.
let's not get all touchy-feely about our Democratic Congress yet; they've failed us severely over the past few years and we can't forget that.
June 17, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the fisa bill was passed into law? Uhhh, nope. That took some kahones in the face of the republican attacks about how we were going to get bombed into oblivion if the law wasn't passed.
Agree on the aumf. All the dems that voted for it deserve blame.
I still think all in all they are doing a good job at this point. Just my opinion.
June 17, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pelosi has a much more secure majority to work with than Ried. That's why she could stop the FISA-court castration bill.
I'm not happy with a lot of Ried's work, but I'll cut him some slack. He's in a precarious position.
June 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's a coward. He stands for NOTHING and doesn't force the Repukes to ACTUALLY FILIBUSTER.
Take Pelosi off the table in 2008.
Drown out Feinstein in 2012.
June 18, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
BAM!! Gooooobama!!!
June 17, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
it true they were supposed to fight the war on terror not the war on iraq
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/mccains-clayton-williams-problems/
June 17, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank You. This is it. The man has supreme confidence, and he's not like a typical Democratic wimp of the past. Like David Ortiz, we can jump on his shoulders and ride proudly into this battle together. We will take the fight to the GOP, and beat them on every single point - morally and factually.
June 17, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's kind of ironic that McCain accuses Obama of Sepember 10 mindset ... because his mindset is stuck in 1974!
June 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post Greg. I love the way Obama just slams back everytime the GOP tries to back him into the old tried and true Demo corners. I noticed the first time Obama did this right after he started focussing on the GE while the primary was going on. He never did this with Senator Clinton when she attacked him I was so whoooeee surprised! And they called him a whuss.
June 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's right; he stopped pushing back at 100% in February after he realized that there was a better than 90% chance that he'd be the nominee.
He has a great counter punch; especially when he is ahead on points. To keep my boxing analogy, I doubt that he'll ever go for the knockout punch though and that will drive some Dems crazy.
June 17, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post Greg. I love the way Obama just slams back everytime the GOP tries to back him into the old tried and true Demo corners. I noticed the first time Obama did this right after he started focussing on the GE while the primary was going on. He never did this with Senator Clinton when she attacked him I was so whoooeee surprised! And they called him a whuss.
June 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take that concern trolls. Obama is spoiling for this debate, and he will reframe it. The undeserved Republican reputation for national security superiority will be shattered to smithereens.
June 17, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do these people lie to me? First they said I had the wrong password, then they said I couldn't submit because I had already submitted too many times and now I have done the damnable doofuss looking double post uggeeeeehhhh.
June 17, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel your pain. Truly I do.
June 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny post. I've been constantly having the same problem. But your post is too funny, I am still laughing. Thanks.
June 17, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we could also have a "give 'em hell" factor going in this election. Voters who don't even like Democrats or minorities might just be mad enough to vote against Repubicans out of spite. I see no benfit to any Democrat cozying up to the status quo. This is not a year to be Republican-lite.
June 17, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republican-lite would have deprived us of this ass-whooping foreign policy debate.
June 17, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
mcfuddle will soon begin to whimper from Obama's smackdowns. He wants the debate...he wants the argument...
June 17, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually envision a mcbush meltdown. Red faced, screaming and pointing his finger. Kind of like mr. bill during the primaries. I can see it coming any day now.
June 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's campaign is--quite literally--all talk. We'll see whether that's good enough.
He brings nothing to the table in terms of national security. If Bush wants to throw McCain a bone, he'll engineer a little overseas dust-up in late summer. (Does anyone think he's above such tactics?)
Just saying, guys. I have no use for Obama, and I don't think he can win. You true believers can figure it out.
June 17, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was filling sandbags in IL. That's got a hell of a lot more to do with national security than the $3 trillion we're wasting in Iraq. I wonder how many levees you could build for $3 trillion.
June 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, given that politics is, you know, a lot of talking I think we're in good shape with Obama. ;0
June 17, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you just talkin smack, or do you actually have some analysis to back it up? Nothing is more persuasive than an unsupported assertion....
June 17, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's right side of the issues talk or McCain's wrong side of the issues actions; you decide which is better.
June 17, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so right...All Obama brings is brains.
June 17, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever, guys. I just don't see where Obama has any credentials on national security. I know he gave an Iraq speech in 'O2. After that--zilch.
I didn't drink the Obama Kool-Aid. Neither did most voters. Simply ridiculing McCain won't cut it in November.
Now go finish your homework.
June 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting--every comment from you has been utterly vapid and completely content-free. At least monkey-boy rstephen actually made some crap up, but it's like some distilled the essence of the Fox News Network and sprayed it all over a Rethug-troll.
June 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
If that is the best argument you have this is going to be a cake walk. I am assuming that you are not the best that the GOP has to offer and doing the hard work needed to win an oposed campaign but would be overjoyed for it to be unnecessary work due to the oposition being as weak as you.
June 17, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's some homework for you:
If Obama is "all talk," then describe some non-talk actions that would be better than "all talk." In other words, expand on the overly-general phrase "all talk," while avoiding such rhetorical crutches and clichés.
500 words, due tomorrow morning.
June 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's truth in what you say, though I wouldn't go as far as saying nothing. I think, though, that a lot of people will come around to looking at it this way....
With BigO, they're looking at someone who talks sense. He gives the impression that he'll be able to figure out anything he has to deal with and act responsibly.
With McSame, they're seeing someone who has been trying to figure this out for a long time and has shown he can't. He's been flip-flopping all over the place and blathering a lot of nonsense.
A lot of people are going to choose a likely winner over a sure loser.
Sorry if this is a double post. Reply-function troubles here.
June 17, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talk of just being all talk is just all talk.
June 17, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see what McStain brings to the National Security debate:
1. 2nd to LAST in his class.
2. Shot down by third world fighters in COMMIE built planes.
3. Committed Treason by spilling all during torture (it works, you know. The repukes say so).
4. Lost in 2000 to an AWOL COWARD
What are his ASSets in the National Security arena?
June 18, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
2. He was shot down by an anti-aircraft missle.
3. That is just plain wrong and we are better than that. Leave the lying to the GOP it is their forte.
June 18, 2008 5:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
AND I think he was fifth from the bottom of his class, not second. Let's give credit where credit is due . . . ;)
June 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't this September 10 mentality stuff just seem . . . TIRED? Will it really work with anyone outside the 28% dead-enders choir? Oh, I get it. That's who it's supposed to work with.
June 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is more than just tired; it is a reminder of how our nation failed to act on its principles after 9/11 and resulted in us losing the lives of our soldiers, the rights of our citizens, and our standing in the world.
June 17, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, and Amen.
Thank you.
Keep saying that and please don't ever stop saying it.
To me, this is what this election is really about.
June 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democratic Presidents forced Germany into unconditional surrender twice, and the Japanese Empire also to surrender unconditionally. What is the war record of Republican Presidents. Take a look.
Korea: Republican President Eisenhower settled for a stalemate that has kept our troops pinned down there for the past fifty years.
Vietnam: Republican President Ford fled from the roof tops in a complete "Cut And Run".
Beirut: Republican President Reagan got hundreds of marines blown to smithereens, and then "Cut and Ran" all the way to Grenada, where he staged a wag the dog distraction from his complete surrender to the terrorists in Beirut. Don't hold your breath until there is a huge demand for a war monument to celebrate the Republicans great victory in Grenada, the toy poodle that Reagan claimed had roared.
Republican President Reagan traded arms for hostages with the Iranian Ayatollahs, and lied to the American People about having done so.
I know; some of you are going to mention Blackhawk down. Take a look at who actually send in the Troops to Somalia. Bush One, and he did so after he had already lost his bid for a second term.
Republican President George Herbert Walker Bush, had his ambassador, April Glasby, tell Saddam Hussein that America had no vital interest in Kuwait, as Iraq had it's forces massed for invasion on the Kuwait border. She is on video actually giving Saddam the green light to attack Kuwait. What else does saying "america has no vital interests" mean.
Then, after Margret Thatcher had to give Bush a spinal transplant and tell him "George this is not the time for you to go all wobbly over Iraq's aggression", he did something about it. Of course he then talked the Shiites into rebelling, promising them their liberation, and instead stood by and allowed Saddam to slaughter those that he had urged to rebel. He then left Saddam in power to continue to persecute and slaughter his own people.
Well, you know the final chapter with Republican President George W. Bush, who took a bad situation in Iraq, and made it a hundred times worse, and managed to allow a ragtag bunch of religious fanatics to make the world's greatest military power look powerless and impotent. Of course Bush also did what Iran hoped he would do, and actually created the conditions that let Iran emerge as the strongest power in the region.
Any one who thinks, with the long history of Republican Presidents getting our nation's military humiliated, that the Republicans are actually strong on National Defense has to be a complete Moron.
June 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Much better than mine. Thanks.
June 17, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will give McOld some serious a$$ whooping! This is only mid June and how many times has McBush been on "check mate"? Everyday is like a good game of chess and I loooove Chess!
I saw the McCain 3.am reference too and thought to myself, how will he wake up at 3am when he's downed an Ambien?
If you have ever taken Ambien, you know it knocks you out in less than 10 mins.. ohh, and it causes sleep walking and short memory loss. That is the guy that hopes to answer that 3am call....
June 17, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I love Obama's strong counterpunch, and I really do, I wish he controlled the message more. It seems to me that McCain continues to change the subject from the economy to national security and precious news cycles are lost to it when the number one concern in this country is the economy. And of course, the democrats are favored on the economy.
How can Obama stay on message (economy) yet defend his position on national security, without the subject being changed for McCain's benefit?
June 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
good point.
After the counterpunch he needs to get back to his main strategy of right jab, right jab, triple combo, left hook (he is a southpaw afterall.)
which all means that you counter with national security and then say that McCain is trying to avoid the biggest concerns of Americans, make three point on the economy and nail McCain for fighting for the weathly at the expense of the rest of us.
June 17, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hadn't thought about it in those terms. That's a good point as well.
June 17, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the national media chooses to talk about is out of Obama's control. In this case, they will ALWAYS cover the skirmish. But remember, there is no national election. This is electoral math. And the question is what are the local news programs covering. My guess is that most news outlets in Michigan are covering Obama's economic plan in much greater detail than this latest skirmish. And frankly, he's never failed to respond to a McMomen in the same news cycle (so most reputable news outlets will report BOTH), so McCain really doesn't gain anything.
It's the same strategy he used in the Democratic Primary (recall how much the national media outlets complained about a lack of access from the Obama campaign, but you never heard a word of complaint from the local media). At least that's how I see it.
June 17, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, yep, yepper. Excellent point. Obama has so many things working for him, but one of the most important is his awesome local campaign forces. And those are mobalized and putting his messages out as we speak. He can handle more than one issue at a time.
June 17, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
which is why Obama should say, "Why are you mortgaging our children's future to the Iraq war that should never have been waged and fought in the first place to begin with?"
June 17, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
He needs to link the cost of the war to the economy. You can buy a lot of stuff for the home town for $3 trillion. I'd like to see them message that national security begins at home.
June 17, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You hit the pitches that are thrown to you. You might not hit a home run everytime, but it beats taking a called strike.
Let me parse your quote a bit...
How can Obama stay on message (economy) yet defend his position on national security, without the subject being changed...
He can't.
... for McCain's benefit?
That he can do. He's shown it.
I'm not so cynical (yet) as to think the Mind of the Man on the Street can't deal with two messages at a time. More than that? I think I'll take a pass at offering an opinion :-)
June 17, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tie the two together, since they are actually linked. That's all you need to do. Every time McStain mentions Iraq, Obama ties it to the economy and energy policy.
June 18, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love it that he keeps tying the 9-11 terrorism back the Repugs getting us stuck in Iraq. Keep us on that message.
June 17, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you see it yet, peeps?
Hillary used all the ammo.
McGoo gave her the key to the powder stash and his blessing, hoping that she'd emerge the victor so that the GOP could trot out their new list of under-reported Clinton lawsuits and scandals and demolish us in November.
Unfortunately for McGoo, it didn't work. As Robert Novak himself has warned the GOP, there ain't no dirt to dig up on this Obama fellow, and any dirt that there was has already been flung.
McGoo got nothin'.
June 17, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will not be able to distract from his lack of experience and lack of a cohesive anti-terror plan. His entire policy is reactive rather than proactive.
For his part McCain can simply say that he is not Bush. Period. Trying to pin Bush's failures on him is the same as pinning Bill Clinton's failures on Obama. It is a complete disconnect.
And if he is going to indict McCain based on Bush's war then he is also indicting the vast majority of the Democrats too.
Dumb and Dumber. I'm just not sure which is which.
June 17, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for the laugh.
June 17, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Sidney, when The Clinton Wars, Part II comes out, you owe us each an autographed copy.
We made you what you are. A loser.
June 17, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guffaw!
June 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for adding the Republican perspective. Help yourself to a free sample of Pez on your way out.
June 17, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Fogu. You poor thing. You actually sound impotent with this feeble protest.
Please, climb on board. Your opposition is pathetic.
June 17, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep it up with the experience argument. It really works. Ask Sen Clinton.
June 18, 2008 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant start. First, I like the fact that the fight is about the issues, and not some quasi-drama we've so often become witnesses in the primary.
This is among premiere reasons why I supported Obama, even more than Edwards. He is the democrat with authority to bring the argument back to Iraq. Also, unlike Kerry in '04, Obama realized very quickly, offense is the best form of defense.
Tired of republicans blaming democrats for the shit they created. Can't let them extort another election holding the country hostage to fear and terror.
June 17, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another point:
While Obama has the moral authority to argue against the war in Iraq, unlike Senator Clinton or anyone else connected to Bill Clinton administration he also has unquestionable voice when he blames the G.O.P for not capturing Bin laden.
Feeling openly proud to be a Democrat, again.
June 17, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagel may be right in terms of Iraq but he is still a very conservative Republican. He 'might' help deliver Nebraska's whopping 5 electoral votes but I don't see how he would fit ideologically within an Obama administration. I'm willing to bet the farm that neither he nor Clinton are on the short list for VP.
June 17, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Republicans!
Why?
1. They have no real national security cred.
2. They tend to make national deficits spiral to ginormous proportion.
3. They talk "family values," yet flirt with same-sex pages and tap their feet in airports.
I could go on, but, fact is, these are, for the most part, evil people in the pockets of this country's monied corporate interests. We need to send them packing and let the PEOPLE run things for a bit.
June 17, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the reason why I (and many other early Obamites) wanted Obama to be the nominee -- he has the strongest hand to turn it back on them and say that they got it wrong on the actual fight on terrorism.
I *do* wish he would sharpen the language a lot more and come right out and say "these people who got it so wrong for so long should not be lecturing me on how to fight terrorism", and, "if we do not uphold the constitution, then what is it that we are fighting for?" -- he used all these words, but in that infuriatingly obtuse Dem way, sigh...
June 17, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Radha,
I think Obama still has to be careful, even against republicans. First because he wants to woo some and also, de doesn't want to appear to be smug or "uppity". Better to walk softly in an intelligent ass-kicking way.
June 18, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you actually just say "uppity"? "Uppity"?? People who use the word "uppity" already think Obama is "uppity" because he thinks he is just as good as regular (read "white") folks. You don't coddle those people; you expose them to the sunlight so that they burn up like the societal vampires they are.
No, Barack is doing exactly the right thing. Don't give an inch. In fact, when they are trying to grab that inch strike back and grab a foot of theirs. If he can continue to be "smug" and "uppity" enough to continue to eat McSame's lunch through to November, he will win.
And the we ALL win.
June 18, 2008 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is what the Repubs do when they have nothing to say.
Excellent response by Barack.
Although I admire Hagel for standing up to the kooks in his party, but I don't want him as VP.
June 17, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It makes my heart flutter to hear these timely counterattacks coming from a Dem.
June 17, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's truth in what you say, though I wouldn't go as far as saying nothing. I think, though, that a lot of people will come around to looking at it this way....
With BigO, they're looking at someone who talks sense. He gives the impression that he'll be able to figure out anything he has to deal with and act responsibly.
With McSame, they're seeing someone who has been trying to figure this out for a long time and has shown he can't. He's been flip-flopping all over the place and blathering a lot of nonsense.
A lot of people are going to choose a likely winner over a sure loser.
June 17, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
In response to why the Dems always get the "weak on national defense" card, as far as I can tell, it stems from Truman "losing China" to Communism. Historically, that is where the accusations started and it has been an uphill climb since. And our leftist forefathers basically fell for it- which explains Truman in Korea and Kennedy and LBJ in Vietnam- thank God Kennedy was able to rein in the military over Cuba though.
June 17, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
So happy to see Obama is using the one tactic stolen from the Republicans that is both legitimate and effective: Attack the opposition on their perceived strengths and turn them into weaknesses. Turnabout is both fair play and oh so satisfying.
June 17, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Satisfying and powerful when their perceived strengths hide real weaknesses.
June 17, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Yes ~~ we need a constant drumbeat of how the Repugs let American get attacked, how they let Bin Laden get away .... still ... and how they created the mess in Iraq and have fed it every dime they could borrow from China. They are so damn wrong about everything .... just keep repeating that for 5 months and it will sink in and sink them. The truth always catches up with you. Karma!
June 18, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I'm no fan of the GOP, the blame for 9/11 is at least a shared responsibility. Had Bill not been so distracted receiving hummers in the White House, his administration probably would have been a little more proactive against terrorism. It's not like the 9/11 plan was hatched a few months prior to its execution.
June 18, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Had Bill not been so distracted receiving hummers in the White House, his administration probably would have been a little more proactive against terrorism."
No! That is a tired, worn-out right-wing talking point. The fact is that when Bill Clinton attempted to get OBL, his efforts were shot down by Trent Lott and the Republicans. They cut off his anti-terrorist funding request. Specifically, they accused Clinton of "wagging the dog". It was the Repubs who put their obsession with sex in the WH over the good of the country.
June 18, 2008 6:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
No no no - had Bill not been hamstrung by a gang of pantysniffing hypocritical thugs, he might have been able to better address the bin Laden threat at an early stage.
You've *got* to remember all the cries of "Wag the dog! Wag the dog!" that followed the rocket attack on bin Laden's camp in Afghanistan, right?
(Incidentally, the book upon which the movie "Wag the Dog" was very loosely based - "American Hero" by Larry Beinhart - was a far, far superior piece of work. I recommend it highly.)
June 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMFG! A member of the Party I'm registered as actually and finally gave the AMERICAN response to the fascist fucks who gave been running America for the last seven plus years!
I going to pary like it is March 25th 1775 . . .
June 18, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I like that it is better than Kerry, and there is welcome confidence. Still this sounds defensive to me:
"I don't shy away from it."
I ain't no pro, nohow, but I would like him to be saying things more like:
"They have a lot to answer for as to these failures, and the American people know it. Voters have a real opportunity to hold the architects and supporters of these disastrous policies accountable."
June 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, what is the problem in the summer and fall of 2008 with reminding the public that Condoleeza Rice got a warning of 9/11 in the August intel reporting and ignored it. Somehow that has always seemed impolitic to mention, in some twisted way. Or that the Clinton people told them that terrorism was their top priority and they just chuckled and pursued their crackpot missile defense and porn issues. Or that George Tenet told them in June and July 2001 that the board was blinking red and they were in for real danger, and that Condie and company blithely let that go by, even when it was reinforced by the August intel report? Not to mention the countless terrorisim studies that showed that the WTC was a prime target/the prime target. Is this ugly sequence still somehow gauche to bring up?
June 18, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you! I have often thought the exact same things. Why is Condi Rice given such a free ride these days? She was warned about the possibility of terrorists using airplanes as weapons. And then after 9/11 she had the audacity to say "Who'd have thought they'd use airplanes?". Honestly, she does have some of the blood of those who were killed on 9/11 directly on her hands.
June 18, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the note, dswx! How they get a pass on all of this (till now) I still don't understand. I totally agree with you.
June 19, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink