As the old song goes, "This could be the start of something big."

Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that meeting.

1. No to the Veep option.
b) Retire your own fool-hardy endeavours. That money was spent attacking the real inevitable nominee and could fully be described as Republican money (since it gave fodder to the RNC's ad.
5. No to the Veep option.
e) Your Staff had the easiest job in the world and blew it. Mark Penn... 'nuff said.
iv) No to the Veep option.

I'm blowing off some steam.

all you haters are going to have to eat it when Senator Obama makes nice with the Clintons. And then makes nice with all of us that backed the Clintons. You see, Senator Obama is a class act, which is more than I can say for the haters on TPM. Perhaps there is help for you, and you can catch some manners from Senator Obama?
Here's hoping!

I don't think the VP slot came up. I don't think she would dare go there. Otherwise, another gracious gesture on Obama's part, after all he is the victor. Bottom line she has much to learn from him as far as character is concerned. Hers is really flawed.

Hillary will be formally announcing her support for Obama this weekend. So, with that, can every blog and media outlet stop reporting this menial shit? This was bound to happen...it's no big deal. All it does is get people in a fizzy with questions they'll never know the answer to like "OMG I WONDER WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT?!"

CNN is now reporting the meeting took place but not at Hillary's home. Apparently it is over.

whats the chance that Hillary and Barack just had some make up sex and called it a night?

sounds like there were two planes today, one of which Barack was on and one of which he wasn't.

Nice to have all these sources over here who know what goes on in the planes.

Morrigan, are you proud of Senator Clinton's behavior? Do you think she has set an example for courtesy and decorum? Are all her supporters, like you, now fence-menders? Shall we all weep with remorse now and become friends? Forgive me but I do not trust her even now. I don't know what motivates you to support her but I have heard more than one Clinton supporter say that they would never vote for a black candidate. Is that the mandate that you & the senator want to uphold? How many of your fellow supporters are republicans causing mischief? I suppose anything is possible and unity for the party is surely to be hoped for. Senator Obama has visited Senator Clinton in her home. The next step is hers. Where is her strength and courage now? Where is her humility? All that fine character? Is she a woman equal to any man? Then she must stand up straight and look us all in the eye and concede that she lost and pledge herself unconditionally to the welfare of the nation and to support the candidate of the party. Only then can she begin to earn some respect.

Dear Morrigan,
You're right. Obama is a class act and so is Mrs. Clinton. They will both be looking for ways to make nice because they care about the issues and they agree on the issues and they know the terrible alternative for the country we all love.

And yes, it is true that sometimes we Obama supporters have been less than nice. It is also true that sometimes Mrs. Clinton's supporters have been less than nice. How is it respectful of Mrs. Clinton and her strongly held beliefs to write a comment such as your whose only intention is to jab a stick and stir up anger? What say we all act like the responsible adults whom we support.

Hillary would mae an excellent choice for Obama's first nominee to the supreme Court.

John McCain Voted to Filibuster Minimum Wage Hike

You know, this is kind of scary. I have *never* been a blind follower of Obama, although I fully support him. I think he's the best politician out there, but still a politician.

However, these past few days I've seen:
1) consistent graciousness during this situation
2) Smooth manipulation of Party power levers (DNC appt)
3) Decisive efforts to unify what can only be seen as HIS party, and
4) TOTAL MEDIA HEAD FAKE! ^_^

It's starting to impress me to the point of awe, and that's uncomfortable. He IS a somewhat youngish man, a junior Senator - where is he getting all this mojo? is it just talent?

I'd actually be good with a bit more clay feet, lol. Because right now I can't figure him out.

I've thrown a fair bit of dough into Obama's kitty, and I don't think I'd mind if a bit of it went to help out Billary. But the thought of it going to pay off Mark Penn makes me very unhappy :-(

If he can't help her out because of legalities (as tjb asserts), then it's all academic anyway. But creative people often find ways around and loopholes through those kinds of rules & regs.

Give HRC a seat on the SC, Bill the UN Ambassadorship. Republicans would shit 20lb. bricks - faces beet red, eyes bulging, beads of sweat, screaming - and the Clintons would be VERY happy, but not in the WH.

Warner for VP!!!
Edwards: AG
Gore: Environmental policy guru/czar/overlord
Richardson... eh, whatever - he gets something for being a "judas".

A couple of things:
1. Obama can't give any of his campaign's money to Hillary's campaign; he can only help her raise money. Our donations are safe.

2. Don't be too critical of people who are still pissed off at Hilalry. Her campaign sucked. She's a bullshit artist, a poor politician, possibly delusional, and certainly untrustworthy. She ran a campaign replete with race-baiting, self-pity, grotesque pandering (didn't hear her mention that gas tax holiday on Tuesday night), fear-mongering, sabre-rattling, bizarre resume-padding, and worst of all, dismissal of the front-runner as a poorer choice than the Republican.

She better hope Obama wins. If he loses, her political career is OVER.

I'm hoping Barack didn't eat or drink anything she offered.

From Ambinder:

Questions About The Secret Meeting -- Now, With Answers 05 Jun 2008 09:19 pm

There was a meeting. It was not at Hillary Clinton's house. (I'm betting it was at Jim Johnson's Georgetown condo.) Staff worked out the schedules. Obama wanted to talk about bringing the party together.

1. Who asked for the meeting? Barack Obama.
2. Which side leaked the existence of the meeting? Unknown.. After originally refusing to answer reporters questions, the campaign then confirmed that there was a meeting but said they would never divulge the details; then they divulged the details.
3. Which side speaks first about the content of the meeting? Not clear.
4. When was the invitation proffered? Sunday and Monday
5. Did the Obama campaign insist on meeting Clinton before she speaks publicly? Not clear.
6. How angry is the Obama press corps? A little bit.
7. How much (or little) does the Obama press team care about the feelings about the Obama press corps? They say they did not intend to mislead the press corps.
8. Was there internal disagreement about the decision to ditch the press corps? Kind of an irrelevant question.

I don't know what's sadder; the people peeing their pants speculating what was said or the the people who are acting like they know what Obama would say because, they gave him money and read a blog post.

Obama-Clinton, after all?

Truth be told, BO and Hillary didnt talk any politics at all. My sources tell me that they played Connect 4 until the wee hours of the morning.

Though I understand the need to keep the meeting out of public view, it does strike me as a misstep to send O's press pack on a late night boondoggle. (Picture being one of them -- long campaign, late night.. for what?)
I hope it was HRC who demanded immediate gratification: "You said at a time and place of my choosing; O.K. Come to ____ (location) at 5:00". If so, of course, we will never know it as O would have to be too diplomatic to say. But it's not a good thing as it will be portrayed.
Surely there was another option to maintain meeting privacy. So I hope the O team will address this in a more forthright way than they have done this morning so far, because: a) it is the first instance in which they look squirrely; and b)a peeved press is not helpful.

Listen, I'm not a particularly 'kumbaya' kind of guy, but, this has gotta stop.

I was a Biden/Dodd supporter, primarily because I didn't think America was ready to elect a woman or a person of mixed-race. I then switched to Hillary because I thought she had more experience. I then got so disgusted with her switching the rules of the game, bald-faced lying ('we won Michigan!', Tuzla), and incredible condescension (suggesting that Obama would make a good VP when he had more delegates and more of the popular vote).

HOWEVER: Clinton supporters are NOT GOP trolls! You sound just as asinine as the women shrieking 'Denver' @ the rules commitee meeting.

Clinton has told her fundraisers to work for Obama. She has thrown her support behind him. YES, she's late to the party, yes, her over-arching ambition led to real damage to Obama that will affect the November vote (i.e. she gave ammunition to the GOP).

BUT: she's over it.

Could you all stop denegrating her. Could you all leave your lizard brains at the door and start thinking with your cerebral cortex: these two people have both made history. Their voting record is in 96% conformance. They are now trying to heal the rifts. It doesn't matter if you think it was all her fault or all his, they are trying to get past it - why can't all of you?

The longer you keep fuming and sniping the better it is for McCain. I don't give a rat's ass who you all supported, get with the program: We MUST defeat McBush in November. Hurt feelings, bruised egos, vitriol and 'gotcha' vindictiveness aren't gonna help.

I don't think Hillary's planning an 'August Surprise'. I don't think she's gonna be VP: we both know he doesn't need a Northeast Liberal to win in November. Most of her supporters will get over it, and those that don't are too stupid to represent our party anyway. So: how about all of you? Are you mature enough to let go of petty sniping, give her props for (belatedly) yielding to reality, and 'move on' past this?

WE NEED TO WIN IN NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have given to Obama's campaign several times, but if he so much as helps that other delusional candidate with her debt, I won't give him any more money.

She needs to take responsibility for her messes. When one cleans up after another, it's called enabling and it prevents those who made mistakes from seeing what they've done.

She won't be VP. It will be Webb or Mark Warner or Tim Kaine from VA

I'm encouraged by posts suggesting that some coming together between Democratic primary factions is already occurring, because it needs to. At the risk of seeming to veer off-topic, there's a disturbing review of both the film and book, "Standard Operating Procedure" (in re: Abu Ghraib war crimes), in the current New York Review of Books. It made me think that in the current campaign frenzy I've been so preoccupied about the nomination that my thoughts about the Republicans - when they must occur - are limited to tactical thoughts about the campaign, and McCain. The article was a worthwhile reminder of why the "Same" in "McSame" needs to be thwarted.

It brings vividly into focus the degree of criminality of which Bush and Co. are guilty. It reminds me anew that the HRC/BHO differences are irrelevant - molecular - in comparison to the differences between what Democratic governance will mean, and where we've been.

If McCain is more of the same, remember - that "same" is criminality as loathesome as that of any pathological 20th century tyrant. Even the most cynical of us have deeply indoctrinated American psychic reflexes that constrain us from attributing the true degree of criminality that's occurred to anyone in a leadership position in the US (regardless of how they got there), and that constraint is dangerous.

This has occurred!! An American "President" is a war criminal!! It's worth reflecting upon the unconscionable, as perpetrated by this vile scum, so as to remind us that we really can stand together against them and overwhelm McCain in November...and that we really need to.

THAT's where the cross purposes lie - not between Barack and Hillary; not between any of US. The difference is between proceeding in good faith - which we haven't fully had a chance to do since our prospects were thwarted 40 years ago today - and enduring more crime and mendacity. DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP IN '09 AND THEREAFTER!!

"Only water was served"

What the heck does that detail have to do with anything?

Oh yeah....hard to cover the taste of the poison with just water!

Oh... now I remember... He did say he would meet with the heads of rouge states!

Secret meetings already? What happened to transparency? I am a huge Obama fan, but this "secret meeting" with only both of them in the room, to discuss what they will do, is kind of going against "change," which is why I love Obama...
Just a thought.

Speaking of "real space"... haven't you left for Taos yet?

Here's how the conversation may have gone down:

BO: "Thank you for taking the time to see me, Senator Clinton. I...

HC: "Just get to the fuc*ing point. I don't have time for one of those damn speeches of yours."

BO: "Very well, I wanted to meet you privately to tell you how much I admire you and your campaign. I'm sorry anyone had to lose.... Is there anything I can do that can help make this less traumatic for you?"

HC: "For starters, you can eat sh*t and die. This was supposed to be my time. But you fuc*ed that up with all your honor and integrity bullsh*t. What a fuc*ing crock!!"

BO: "Again, I appreciate the disappointment you must be feeling, and I genuinely care about supporting you during this time."

HC: "What you can do is pour me another stiff fuc*ing drink and then tell all those coloreds of yours to stop ganging up on me and Pencil Dick over there (gesturing to Bill). And money. I need money to pay off all these shitkicker vendors."

BO: "Well, I'll see what I can do. I do hope we can pull together and beat McCain."

HC: "That's your fuc*ing problem, Buckwheat. I'll pretend to care about that party unity shit for a few days, a week max, then I'm outta there. Now get the hell out of here before I change my mind about being so cooperative."

Why isn't anyone talking about the real meeting that happened last night in north caroline. The Bilderberg group annual meeting in chantilly. can someone do some more research as to why the press is not reporting about this and why they never do?