Lying...B

Most popular ever.

"Hillary Clinton has gotten 17,652,848 votes, compared to Barack Obama's 17,600,517. Which means she has become the most popular vote-getter ever in the Democratic Party process. Today's win in Puerto Rico is expected to add at least 100,000 more votes to the total."

She wins in a real democracy.

"Obama's unfavorable rating at 53%:

53% of voters have an unfavorable view of
Obama, while 45% like him."

D'oh!

Took took long to toss his radicals under the bus like grandma.

"17 million who want to beat John McCain."

Shades of Bush. Either you want to beat John McCain so you voted for Hillary or you don't want to beat John McCain and voted for Obama.

You're either with Bush, or you're a terrorist sympathizing traitor.

Just think: After Tuesday, we won't be subjected to the pathological truth-shading that the Clinton campaign produces.

And Greg? Loved the "you'll be surprised" lead in.

Wow. Hillary is still blowing money on this campaign? Pretty innocuous really. The undecided voters can't be that stupid - they probably see that Hillary is holding up meaningless numbers(in terms of nomination prospects).

"Some say there isn't a single reason for Hillary Clinton to be the nominee. They're right. There are over 17 million of them."

And over 20 Million in debt reasons not to make her the nominee. She has blown through 250 Million
in campaign funds, and still can not pay the bills.

Hillary Clinton: Ready on day one, to bankrupt the nation, just like she did her campaign.

Comments are screwed up - very screwed up.

All I can think of is the old song: "17 million bottles of beer on the wall...." They're gonna come down... one by one. One way or the other.

This will cause the Super Dels, along with everything else, to commit within the next week.

Atleast she gets to drive the last nail in the coffin of her campaign. Such a specious argument that comes with more caveats than a TPM EC post (just kidding, this comes with far more caveats. I like TPM EC).

So let's change the rules. But you can't change the rules in the middle of the race, or worse, at the end when you lost. If Hillary had 2000 delegates right now and Obama was ahead in the popular vote, you can bet your ass, to quote Ickes, that she and everyone of her supporters at TPM would be saying the same thing that the Obama side is saying now.

Actually, Obama would have been forced out by now if that were the case, and we'd have a whole other problem on our hands.

So I say let's petition the DNC to make the popular vote choose the winner. That will mean forcing some caucus states to report vote totals. Or it might mean going to a primary-only method. After that, let's do away with the Electoral College and make every vote count. But either way, we will have to deal with the consequences of either, some of which may not help us as Democrats.

But I'm for it. As for now, the rules are the rules. If y'all wanna vote for McCain, that's your right and privelige. But if you're even a moderate Democrat, you'll regret such a choice should he win. As I would regret abstaining if Hillary was the nominee.

By the way, there's an ad on Drudge that asks "Why will Senator Obama meet with terrorists but won't meet with General Petraeus", or words to that effect.

It's gone now, but it was just there. I guess this will be the tactic that John McCain takes.

FOUR STATE PLEDGE...FOUR STATE PLEDGE...FOUR STATE PLEDGE...FOUR STATE PLEDGE!

I apologize for shouting, but Hillary Clinton's signature on the Four State Pledge where she agreed not to "participate" in the Michigan election is the unchallenged lie that allows her to make this bogus and irrelevant claim.

Why Olberman, Matthews, Russert, Stephanopolis and the rest don't challenge her on the Four State Pledge she signed and then violated is beyond me.

This insidious lie about the popular vote is far more damaging than the Bosnia lies because she's specifically repeating it now, knowing that she has no chance at the nomination, so that her supporters will question the legitimacy of Obama's nomination (as Russert did on television when interviewing Tom Daschle this morning) and will undermine his chances in the general election.

Clinton has been predicting Obama can't win in the fall, and now that it's all but over, she's still trying to make sure her prediction comes true.

“I’m not denouncing the church, and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said in response to a question. “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing.”

I denounce Obama.

Freaking radical.

too bad for hillary that under the rules of the democratic nomination process that its delegates, and not popular vote that determines the nominee.

oh- and i guess the 17million who voted for obama don't want to beat mccain?

dont expect a huge pump for hillary in puerto rico, this is being reported on "el nuevo dia's webpage"

"En marcado contraste con la intensa campaña que Hillary Clinton y Barack Obama llevaron a cabo las pasadas semanas en Puerto Rico, los colegios electorales para las primarias demócratas en la Isla abrieron con marcada calma y pocos votantes."

It says: The stark contrast in intensity by the Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's campaign over the past several weeks in Puerto Rico, the polls opened for the democratic primary on this Island with marked calm and low turnout.

The "popular vote" bullshit from Camp Hillary reminds me of the "Bush won more COUNTIES!!!" bullshit from Rush Limbaugh back in 2000.

I suppose that might have been a compelling argument, if we allowed REAL ESTATE to vote, or if the "more counties!!!!" Bush won were populated by PEOPLE rather than sheep and tumbleweeds.

Bottom line: they are arguments tailored to appeal to stupid people. And as Hillary has continually reminded us, that's her base.

pat buchanan just did what eugene robinson warned against. Generalizing puerto rico hispanics with mexican americans. My god, how the fuck is this guy allowed to talk on tv?????

Clinton supporters will stay home in November because the Obama supporters are assholes. At every opportunity, you bash Clinton and her voters/supporters.

Do Obama supporters really think you can win the election without Clinton and her voters?

There is fuzzy math in the Clinton claim of a popular vote win as caucus states don't count votes. It's a close race, but Obama has won. The race Hillary decided to run has disqualified her from any real VP consideration.

How many of those 17M primary voters will not under any circumstance vote for Obama in November? Serious question.

Courtesy of ABC: (Love this about Obama)

Asked if Obama would wait to get a concession call from Clinton before claiming the nomination, Dunn said the onus was on Clinton now that the Democratic Party has firmed up the number of delegates needed to claim the party's nod.

"He's not going to wait by the phone like a high-school girl waiting for a date," said Dunn. "That's not Barack Obama."

"After Tuesday," Dunn added, referring to the final contests of South Dakota and Montana, Clinton "can decide how united she wants this party to be."

Do another poll

How many of that 17 million want to take their vote back because of the tragic idiotic campaign she has waged since they voted for her?

That is the number I want to see.

Clinton Campaign expands it's primary campaign:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/8/2/phoenix-mars-lander.jpg

My favorite Political Cartoon of the past week.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/8/2/the-assassin-lk0528d.jpg

Daily Kos says HRC is REALLY pushing the popular vote thing, especially now with PR.

I think that she has damaged herself to the point of non-forgiveness. When you are drowning do you swear at the person throwing you the life jacket? Frankly, I am beginning to think she is just plain out to lunch.

So easy for me to say, I know: I am an Obama supporter.

But fellow Dems, we have to unite to defeat McCain. The only way we can begin to undo the damage of eight years of radical, right wing rule, is to take the White House.

Can we please stop the name-calling? Let's set our eyes on the prize. While I like to post at TPM--this board seems to draw a better breed of Democrat--I don't like what I have seen across the blogosphere. Hillary supporters complain that they find themselves often put down and marginalized, and their complaints (drawing upon what I have seen) are not without merit. We cannot win without them, without their votes.

Why is it that the Republicans never seem to dash off and vote for a third-party candidate, regardless of how they may feel about their candidate? 2000 (stolen), 2004, now 2008, Do we WANT to lose?

Respectfully,

Robert

Dear fellow Obama supporters,

Make no mistake about it. Not that the rules committeee used the results of the primary of Florida (and the results of the primary in Michigan was a sticking point for Ickes) THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO DECLARE VICTORY ON TUESDAY NIGHT.... THEY WILL CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE WON THE NOMINATION IN THE EYES OF THE VOTERS AND THAT THE SUPERDELEGATES WOULD NOT DARE OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
I just realized this after watching Harold Ickes on Meet the Press. They are planning to declare victory based on the popular vote!!!!
We need to do something about this. People need to contact superdelegates and debunk the totals and arguments that they are using and get that information out to all of the superdelegates.

I knew it was a mistake for the rules committee to tie the reinstatement of ANY delegates to the results of either primary as it gave it some legitimacy. Now we have moved out of the frying pan and into the fire!!!!!!!!!!!

She openly defies all the calls for unity and I think politically she is fucked from now on as a Democrat.

If she declared victory - well, I don't think they'd welcome her warmly back to the senate. And as for running for governor of New York as a Democrat, if she does try something like that? Ha!

She's politically at a full stop if she keeps pushing. IMO.

I hear you, HusseinTenaX, hypeRevue, Jenn.

It's just that as a dual-national (British and American citizen) I'm almost about ready to relocate to the UK if the Dems lose in November.

Sigh.

Robert

Everything factually correct? Which votes did she count? How did she calculate popular vote in, for example Washington? Texas?

Typical childish responses to criticism of Obama campaign:
• Moral convictions of a child.
• dead soldiers in iraq thank you
• Sit it out, dipshit. We'd all be better off if the morons STOPPED voting.
• Well, that is the stand of a coward.
• For fuck's sake. Grow the fuck up.
• At best, you're a concern troll; at worst you're delusional. Either way you're a joke.
• Well, obviously you're a fuckwit..

New politics; Unity; Transformation; Post-partisan; Grown up... God, I hope we are not the ones we have been waiting for.

Hillary won Puerto Rico, which was expected. Puerto Rico, has always favored the Clintons, being that Bill pardoned the FALN Puerto Ricans, who terrorized New York for years. Furthermore, she still didn't get the delegates needed to win.

Her last shred of credibility evaporates with this fallacy of the "popular vote." Excluding caucus states and other contests with an eye toward creating manipulated numbers to tout, shameless. Thankfully, she won't get away with this garbage.

Seriously folks,
Today Harold Ickes was asked a few question to which he confidently replied that 'She WILL BE the nominee! And this weekend there was a quote from Bill Clinton to the effect that he thought the results this weekend would be 'surprising' to everyone. And I read that the Clinton campaign intends to do a blowout push about her lead in the popular vote. I honestly believe that the intention of the Clinton Campaign is to declare victory based on the popular vote...
I would love to be wrong about this but this is the Clinton campaign we are talking about and we all know what they've been willing to do so far...

They will declare vitory and dare the party to steal it from her....

Hurray this farce is coming to an end on Tuesday!

Sadly, Hillary seems to have Karl Rove doing her math. And, of course, we all know about Karl Rove's math. In 2006, hello Speaker Pelosi. In 2008, welcome President Obama. Thank God!