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Bloc Of Neutral Senators Says It's Time To Get Behind Obama

The statements from Dem party leaders declaring the Dem primary over and crowning Obama the nominee are starting to come fast and furious now.

This morning we already got such statements from DCCC chair Chris Van Hollen and Nancy Pelosi. Now a group of Senators who remained neutral in the race -- Tom Harkin, Barbara Boxer, Tom Carper, Ken Salazar, Ron Wyden, Mary Landrieu, Frank Lautenberg, and Ben Cardin -- have just come out with their own...

The democratic nominee for President has now been chosen after a breathtaking and historic race...

Our focus now is on victory in November and on giving Barack Obama every ounce of our support, every bit of our energy, and our total commitment to do everything in our power to win the Presidency...

We want to say, to the Clinton supporters who worked their hearts out and whom we know are very disappointed, that their extraordinary effort on her behalf has strengthened our party and strengthened our nation.

A bunch of these Senators met yesterday and were unable to reach an agreement on how to proceed, but now yesterday's outcome has left them -- and other party leaders -- with only one obvious course.

It's worth noting that no one is yet openly calling on Hillary to concede. The Senators' full statement after the jump.

The democratic nominee for President has now been chosen after a breathtaking and historic race.

As Senators who remained neutral in this contest, we are proud of Senators Obama and Clinton for breaking down barriers that some believed were unbreakable and for inspiring millions in our country to participate in our political process, many for the first time.

Our focus now is on victory in November and on giving Barack Obama every ounce of our support, every bit of our energy, and our total commitment to do everything in our power to win the Presidency.

In order to do that, we are going to spend the next days and weeks leading up to the convention working toward one goal: UNITY IN NOVEMBER.

We want to say, to the Clinton supporters who worked their hearts out and whom we know are very disappointed, that their extraordinary effort on her behalf has strengthened our party and strengthened our nation. They should be proud of her groundbreaking candidacy and her tireless fight for America's families.

We look forward to bringing everyone together so that we can finally put an end of the destructive and devastating policies of the Bush years, which would continue under John McCain.

It is time for positive change in our nation, and nothing could bring about that change more than victory the November election.


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They're giving her time. I imagine if she doesn't do something by the weekend (something, anything), you'll see their patience run out.

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Yep, check out this link concerning pelosi:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/04/1111671.aspx

I give her till this weekend as well. The longer it goes on the more credibility and leverage she loses in any event.

Y'know, this works well in light of Hillary's gracious, unifying speech last night -

Oh, wait.....

Whatever leverage she thinks she has is dwindling away FAST.

It's worth noting that no one is yet openly calling on Hillary to concede.

Of course not. If they do Hillary will do what she's always done when anyone calls for her to drop out: bitch, moan, whine, complain and make life a living hell for Obama and the party.

They'll pressure her to concede behind closed doors.

A person would think that Clinton would be conceding soon, with all these people coming out & supporting Obama today..... There is less than 100 super delegates left and none have endored hillary, in fact some have moved over to the Obama........


HILLARY WAKE UP.... I LOVE YOU GIRL, BUT IT IS TIME TO BRING THIS THING TO A END...... DON'T TAKE THIS TO THE COVENTION..... DON'T TAKE THIS TO COURT..... DON'T SCREAM AND CRY LIKE CRAZY JUST TO MAKE A POINT AND HILLARY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU AS HIS VP BUT IF HE DON'T ASK YOU.... DON'T ACT LIKE A BITCH.


anyways, I would think by tomorrow all super delegates will have endorsed.

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Nah, they'll give her til the weekend. It's in her interests to concede and endorse as quickly as possible. Another tone deaf move by the clintons.

Man, if she waits until the weekend, SNL is going to be savage. So much so that it would be best for Bill, Wolsfon, Lanny Davis, Ickes and all the many others in her inner circle with anger management issues to avoid it, 'cause at least one of them would stroke out.

If the season hadn't ended already . . . .

It's so refreshing to hear this perspective from a Hillary supporter. If Hillary had run in any election not featuring Obama I would be behind her 100%. It's too bad she hired such incompetent people to run her campaign. Onward to the general!

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Wow, a Clinton supporter saying she might be acting like a bitch?

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Not just A Clinton Supporter, but this particular Clinton supporter who, as recently as three days ago, did not seem to be a member of the reality-based community.

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HILLARY WAKE UP.... I LOVE YOU GIRL, BUT IT IS TIME TO BRING THIS THING TO A END...... DON'T TAKE THIS TO THE COVENTION..... DON'T TAKE THIS TO COURT..... DON'T SCREAM AND CRY LIKE CRAZY JUST TO MAKE A POINT AND HILLARY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU AS HIS VP BUT IF HE DON'T ASK YOU.... DON'T ACT LIKE A BITCH.

Thank you, HillaryClinton08.

Does anyone know what's up with Sherrod Brown?

Concession means less with every passing day. I didn't expect her to concede last night, but it should be a matter of days, not weeks. Maybe she's trying to wring some kind of position from him similar to what Edwards got. Maybe a prime speaking slot at the convention. Anything more is dangerously overplaying her hand.

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I think this is the way you do tell Hillary to concede - everyone says: "Obama is the ramalamadingdong" and she can get on board or not.

It beats calls for her to quit - since they seem to upset her so.

Make it inevitable beyond all question.

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"Crowning"...?

Your royalist slip is showing Greg.

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I think it is a hangover from the cooronation talk of clinton all last year.

I bet there was some Crowning Royal going down last night, and Greg was there.

They're right. It's time to get behind Obama. If any big blockbuster comes out, they can always switch later. Barring that, they had better throw their full support behind the nominee.

Schtoinkel! Et tu, Otto?

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Thanks Otto, well said.

Hurray, Otto! :)

Hillary truly is a "fighter." She knows no other way. She's trying to fight her way onto the ticket. It won't work.

It's the reason she's such a polarizing figure, and why her presidency would have been filled with partisan bickering.

A good "fighter" would realize there are many ways of fighting. I have been stunned at how ham-handed some of her campaign's instincts have been with regard to what constitutes a "fight".

I keep waiting for them to grow up. I have now moved on. Whether they ever grow up or not is now a moot point.

Plus, she's really only shown "fight" when she's been in struggles with other Democrats.

If she'd shown this much fight in the fall of 2002 against a rush to war in Iraq, she would have been our nominee BEFORE Super Tuesday.

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does it really matter if she rhetorically concedes? shes lost. we can move on without her concession. no one finds it a good show of character when the losing coach refuses to concede the loss to the winning coach, but its still a loss and in the books..so lets just move on. if she wants to be a part of the future, she can join it, if she wants to pout and recede into the past, thats her choice. best of luck to her.

of more interest to me would be when Al Gore endorses?

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I bet either after she concedes or after everyone else endorses. He's just waiting around for everyone else to endorse.

The only reason it "matters" at this point, Paul, as near as I can tell, is because it would assist in bringing some of her hardcore zealots over to the idea that it is time to help us elect Obama as the next president of the United States. If she can't even do that? Well, eff her and her campaign. Obama will go it alone if he has to. But she is in dangerous waters if that is how she tries to game the system. An Obama loss in November if she continues to try to passive-aggressively undercut him is dangerous for her too. Because she will never duck the blame that would quite rightly go to her under that scenario.

But, no, aside from the benefits it would be to the ticket to have all true Dems pulling in the same direction, it doesn't matter. One way or another though, happily, it is time to move on and away from her childishness. Thankfully.

It does matter. Hillary Clinton has a large block of loyal supporters. Over time, most of them will rally behind Obama on their own, but a lot of them are still bitter and will remain so unless she makes a move toward unity. That's a good thing.

It's also in her interests to do so, since the ability to deliver large blocks of votes is power and in politics, that kind of power is everything.

However, the Obama November Express is about to leave the station. She has only so much time to get on board. If she waits too long, she risks becoming irrelevant. I think she knows that. I don't know what she wants in return, but there will probably be something.

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Why? Just curious - what difference do you think Al's endorsement will make?

I really am not that excited about it - now.

Well, that's an interesting thing, isn't it? Politics is all about power, but the your power is all about perception, and that often hangs on timing. Wait too long to make your endorsement and when you finally do, people may end up saying, "So what?"

I like the way that Jimmy Carter has played this. He's made it very clear who he supported, but he hasn't yet actually endorsed. I just love that man.

Carter endorsed after the polls closed last night.
And he said bluntly today that putting Hillary on the ticket as VP would be the "worst mistake ever."

Woopsie, I missed that he officially endorsed. Great!

I think for the same reason Dean said on Saturday: He's the one person who can say to her, "This hurts. But it's time to put your country before yourself."

Another tone deaf move by the clintons.

Y'know, this works well in light of Hillary's gracious, unifying speech last night - Oh, wait.....

If they do Hillary will do what she's always done when anyone calls for her to drop out: bitch, moan, whine, complain and make life a living hell for Obama and the party.

Anything more is dangerously overplaying her hand.

I think it is a hangover from the cooronation talk of clinton all last year.

I think this is the way you do tell Hillary to concede - everyone says: "Obama is the ramalamadingdong" and she can get on board or not.

More tone deaf posts by Obama supporters.

Assholes through the end.

Way to win over her 17 million plus voters.

This, coming from someone with your username. Comedy gold folks. As if you were ever going to vote for him.

Best laugh I've had all day.

Enjoy voting for McCain or a third party in the fall, if that is truly what you wish to do, Nobama. No one here is going to be begging you for your vote. The process doesn't work that way, and Dems cannot allow take the time to negotiate with terrorists. And threatening your own vote or "17 million votes" being withheld from the presumptive nominee out of spite or pique is nothing more than electoral terrorism.

We choose not to play your game. You win. You're angry. I get it. It is too bad, that you are, but so be it. I wish you well as you vote whatever it is your conscience demands you must, but we are moving on now as a party, with or without you. Good luck to you the rest of this election cycle.

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And . . . . what's your point? After the clintons' conduct over the last 5 months and ending with a f*ck you to obama exclaimation point by way of her speech last night, these quotes seem kind of mild.

17,990,000 supporters will support Obama. You 10,000 or so can go fuck yourselves. You're a bunch a racist loons who have no business in the Democratic party.

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Do you mean to tell me that 17 million people authorized you to speak for them?

You know I doubt that. And I also doubt that more than about o maybe 3 of y'all total really give a shit what some anonymous poster on a comments board says about anything.

Most people and that includes most Clinton supporters, have more sense.

You "Hillary Supporters" sure are a sensitive bunch.

Gotalife? That you? Where you been, buddy?

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Too bad that you are as bad as Hillary herself, demanding that others ply you with compromises in order to somehow get you to do what is honorable, all the while your chosen screen name tells us precisely that you are here to simply collect and hoard grievances to try to nurse something already beyond viability.

We are rightly pissed at such tactics, and pissed that, now that Obama has won, we see that Hillary has neither the capacity nor the strength to be gracious.


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"Nobama", some of us had to face the fact that our favorite candidate was defeated months ago. Please, why don't you JUST GROW UP already?

Well geez, Dave, excellent point. How many of us in recent weeks have shared our stories of how we came to support Obama, having started firmly in the camp of one of the other candidates?

There is no need to seek a concession speak from Senator Clinton. The nomination train has pulled out of the station, bound for Denver, and it has left Hillary with her rummaged through baggage stranded on the platform back in Loserville.

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I like your way with words.

Well, alrighty then. And let's see some action following up them words. Active support of Obama, out there openly supporting, campaigning with him, and not acting like you can't speak your mind, because you might offend SOMEONE in the Party.

As far as Hillary conceding...I think they should just move on. We have our nominee. Let's just get behind him and get on with the GE campaign. Hillary will fall in or she won't. If she chooses not to, then she chooses not to be relevant in the Party as we move into the General Election. Her choice.


You know what I used to do when my son was two years old and he'd throw himself on the ground in the grocery store to have a tantrum? I'd step over him and continue with my shopping. You know what he'd do? Get up, pull himself together, and catch up with me.


Exactly. Let her pull a shoulder-pad hissy fit martyr pose.

She may not alienate all of her base in doing so, but large numbers of HRC SDs, pledged one too perhaps :), and supporters will switch, in seeing these antics continue. Democrats are moving on to fight the real fight.

Great analogy on your last paragraph, Carol. I think at this point ignoring is the best thing we can do in regards to Senator Clinton's ongoing campaign.

Attention, name-calling, calling on her to drop out is fueling her at this point.

Our candidate won, let's move on...

Good to see these colleagues of Obama and Clinton are willing to come out and finalize this nomination. I'm sure a lot of people are waiting on a certain Senator from Virginia, too.

Limpwristed Oilbama won only six of the last 14 contests, and Tuesday night he lost South Dakota, too, where he had been heavily favored. Now that the party had accepted results from the Florida and Michigan primaries, Clinton received more votes than Oilbama. I pray she is not serious about wanting to be on the ticket as VP. Oilbama is going to lose big and it will hurt her chances in the next election to be associated with Big Oilbama. It was great when McCain ppointed out in his speech that Oilbama voted for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill. Hillary needed to hammer that point home but did not. McCain looks like he will.

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Your particular brand of trolldom is confusing. I presume you are either an ironic Republican troll ("Oilbama", good one) or you really are a distressed and hurting HRC supporter.

1. If you are a Republican troll, well, allow me to apologize ahead of time for the pain you are going to endure this election season, watching Obama and the Dems absolutely destroy your party. You are not going to like how it feels. Then again, neither did we in 2000 or 2004. Maybe the pain will toughen you up for next time.


2. If you are a hurting HRC supporter, well, in that case, grow up. In saying that, I am not saying grow-up-and-give-Obama-your-vote. I don't care if you can bring yourself to vote for him or not. If you truly don't support him, so be it. To McCain or a third party with you, let your conscience be your guide and best of luck to you. But the grow-up is instead directed at the name-calling. IF you are truly an HRC-dem, and will not be voting for Obama in the fall, at the least you can retire the childish and ridiculous name-calling when you do choose to weigh in on these threads. I choose not to engage your weirdness over spinning popular vote totals to make you feel better, if it makes you feel better to believe whatever you want to believe about popular vote, well, go for it. But please do the rest of world that is dealing with reality rather than fantasy the beneifit of engaging in discourse that moves the conversation forward, rather than hurling rhetorical feces around the board.

Thanks.

President Barack Obama. Get used to it.

The skinny black kid with the funny name beat the Clinton's, their entrenched political machine, their fundraisers and a handful, like you, of their raving lunatic supporters.

99% will be voting for Obama come November.

Choke on it.

"It was great when McCain ppointed out in his speech...."

Nothing was great about McCain's speech. He floated one of the biggest turds of the campaign. Can't wait to see what his new strategy is next week.

Though the 200 people in the room seemed mildly excited. I wonder how many people were at Obama's rally? More than 200 you figure?

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I just heard a snippit of an interview with rangel on msnbc. He sounded pissed. Apparently, the conference call today is to find out what she is doing and why she isn't endorsing. Kind of interesting.

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Pissed about what?

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It sounded like he seemed pissed about her speech last night and that she hasn't conceded and endorsed yet. He seemed to indicate that he didn't understand what was going on, as it didn't make any sense. I may be putting a ton of words in his mouth, but that's what it sounded like.

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Thanks.

If I'm not mistaken, Rangel was the person who initially encouraged her to run for her Senate seat. Just to give you an indication of how big of a supporter he is to her.

I saw parts of that Rangel interview while home for lunch. I didn't hear all of it, but the gist of what I did see what was that it was a close race, 17 million people voted for Clinton and, as such, she should be on the ticket.

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I just saw a snippet of it, but it seemed like he didn't get why the clintons didn't endorse and concede, which actually makes sense. If rangel wants her to run for vp, she sure isn't doing herself any favors by her conduct.

I totally didn't see any of that part - but I was bouncing around while it was on.

I saw the full interview, not doing anything else, and he **is** pissed. Still the loyal supporter of what a good candidate she is, be a real benefit on the ticket, etc. BUT said
----he had no idea why she's doing what she's doing,
--- that she's put the entire NY delegation in an awkward spot because *they* want to join the support for Obama but are sort of frozen in place,
--- that you don't demand/negotiate for/(forgot the actual word) the vice-president position; it's for the candidate to decide - that decision should be based on whether the candidate thinks the person is the best for the position;
-- and when asked if he was going to be on any more conference calls today, he said - with a little 'glare' in his voice - that he didn't know about conference calls but that he WOULD be talking to her.

No, he wasn't very happy. Hillary Rosen's piece in Huffington Post is almost heartbreaking, and she didn't back down in an interview on CNN or MSNBC although trying to put Clinton in the best light.

She's getting the attention still --- but you know this time I don't mind it. Maybe if she keeps acting like this some folks will "wake up" and realize we're all sort of happy this sort of judgment isn't going to be so close to the White House.

Well, the other interesting thing in Politics - you rely heavily on the support of others. And when you behave badly, it reflects very poorly on them. And the result is that you lose that political capital. Hillary has screwed herself very badly in how she's played this campaign, and she doesn't seem to be willing to correct it.

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We haven't chosen our Vice President on the basis of who came in second in votes since whose administration - Madison's?

That's nonsense. The vice presidenial nominee is the perogative of the presidential candidate. It isn't any of Rangel's or anyone else's business, frankly.

Here is the part I saw (from Greg is the next thread)

"It should be done in my opinion, because when you find two warriors in a historic campaign, and they've split the vote, the 36 million votes right down the middle, common sense should dictate what she brings to the ticket."

It's not that simple. If this was only about Hillary's support plus Obama's support equals White House in November, than that would make perfect sense, but it doesn't. First, there are many Hillary supporters and many Obama supporters who would completely reject a joint ticket. Secondly, there are many out there who are second-guessing their original choice of Hillary over Obama. Thirdly, the VP job is about much more than just helping to boost the votes of the Presidential candidate.

And I know we can go on here...

Video of Presidential Nominee Obama addressing the SEIU convention. He did it by video conference because the convention is in Puero Rico.


http://seiu2008.org/

I don't think Obama needs to kiss anyone's ass to win over her 17.2 trillion voters.

All he has to do is be himself. Those voters are not Hillary's to begin with. They are intelligent Americans who will eventually see that Obama wants what is best for this country. I strongly suspect that many will come to realize that Hillary is using them as pawns in this infantile, passive-aggressive game of hers. The ones that want to stay bitter simply cannot be reached, and I wouldn't lose any sleep over that small, militant faction.


Re: the she got X amount of votes she deserves to be on the ticket argument being forwarded by HRC's spurned supporters:

I was unaware that the Dems had a rule that most delegates gets Pres. nomination and second most delegates gets VP nomination. Please point me to that portion of the Democratic rules and by-laws. In 37 years of living, that has somehow escaped me. My bad, apparently. I anxiously await being shown what I have missed.

IF by chance, there is no such rule, then is what you are really proposing some sort of coalition government? Because, if so, I hasten to point out that is not how this process works in American democracy.

Thanks in advance.

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IF by chance, there is no such rule, then is what you are really proposing some sort of coalition government? Because, if so, I hasten to point out that is not how this process works in American democracy.

It certainly isn't - it's unconstitutional.

membengal: And threatening your own vote or "17 million votes" being withheld from the presumptive nominee out of spite or pique is nothing more than electoral terrorism.

And Obama supporters prove once again why they and their candidate are so like Bush and his supporters, playing the "terrorist" card.

Too, too ironic coming from a campaign that has made opposing the "terrorist card" the centerpoint of its alleged philosophy.

Michael A: After the clintons' conduct over the last 5 months and ending with a f*ck you to obama exclaimation point by way of her speech last night, these quotes seem kind of mild.

Clinton's so-called "conduct over the last 5 months" has been grossly misrepresented by Obama supporters who have glossed over the foul and odious conduct of Obama and his supporters through that same time period. A couple of ministers at Obama's "church" prove that nicely. The Obama supporters here even more so.

HusseinTenaX: Do you mean to tell me that 17 million people authorized you to speak for them?

Another tendentious and mendacious interpretation.

My statement implied no such thing, so you are either dishonest or dimwitted.

BTW, I notice you didn't take CarolBG to task for speaking for the entire party: If she chooses not to, then she chooses not to be relevant in the Party as we move into the General Election.

Again, proving you have two different standards for interpreting statements from Clinton supporters and statements from Obama supporters.

Another tendentious and mendacious interpretation

Apparently Don King posts on TPM.

Run along now, Nobama. Seriously. Vote for McCain. Vote for Nader. Vote for Barr. Write HRC in on your ballot.

I don't care. None of the rest of us Dems care. IF you are truly a Dem yourself, we wish you well as you do what you must. But we won't negotiate with terrorists. And threatening to withhold your vote while you stomp your feet and hold your breath is taking your tantrum to another level while considering just what the issues are that this country and world are facing. If you truly believe that Obama is not the candidate for those challenges, by all means, vote something else.

But don't expect your posts threatening to withhold your vote to get anything other than derision on this board. We reject your childishness and short-sightedness. We reject your hostage-taking. We nothing you. We null and void you. We move on, we will work to make sure that you taste the pain of defeat a second time in November, if that is what you want. But we will not kowtow to you.

Thanks.

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I would like to thank you for your GOP trolling. It will help the healing and bring the real Democrats who supported Hillary arround quicker than almost anything else could.

So tell me. why did you vote for Bush and why do you support McCain and call yourself a Democrat?

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Another tendentious and mendacious interpretation

LOL! Says the argumentative liar.


She's ENTITLED, dammit! And entitled people don't walk away from something the Almighty entitled them to!

OK, back to reality...hey Hillary? DROP OUT BY THIS WEEKEND!

Howie Wolfson was just on Fox talking about how Hillary still has a shot at an upset in August because of her "huge popular vote lead."

Everyone in the world says you lost (except for you and 17.something million voters you've brainwashed/enslaved/garnered.

I tried being nice yesterday and have since lost patience with her and her campaign feeding that bullshit to her supporters!

Obama and all of us need to ignore that woman. Ms Clinton. She tried to blackmail him on TV last night with her disgusting speech. (I have 18 million voters so pay attention to me)

NO male candidate would expect to be given time to decide. They would have been a Democrat and worked for the good of the party, not the good of themselves. What a disgrace for women everywhere that in the end it's still all about her.

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What a disgrace for women everywhere that in the end it's still all about her.

yes I agree and I've been saying so myself since last night. She really makes us look like all the worst stereotypes - obsessed, clingy, spiteful - it's like littering the path for the next woman candidate with broken glass.

I wish to hell she'd act like an adult and get some grace and some manners on her. It's embarrassing to me as a woman.

membengal: I was unaware that the Dems had a rule that most delegates gets Pres. nomination and second most delegates gets VP nomination. Please point me to that portion of the Democratic rules and by-laws. In 37 years of living, that has somehow escaped me. My bad, apparently. I anxiously await being shown what I have missed.

Another tendentious and mendacious interpretation.

Keep it up and while you are cranking your tiny brain cells to come up with these idiocies, consider this:

What's dangerous for the Democratic Party is that, for many women, the eye of the storm has moved beyond Hillary or anything she does at this point. The offense has turned personal.

They are now in their own orbit, having abandoned popular Democratic Websites that reveled in crude anti-Hillary outpourings -- and established new ones on which they trade stories of the Obama people's nastiness.

But worse than the online malice has been the affronts to their faces.

Tara Wooters, a 39-year-old mother from Portland, Ore., told me that wearing a Hillary sticker around town has become an act of defiance. She recalls one young man telling her, "I'd rather vote for a black man than a menopausal woman."

"We don't hurl insulting, berating remarks at Obama supporters, or at Obama himself or his family," Debbie Head, a 40-year-old from Austin, Texas, complained to me.

Remember Peggy Agar? The women do. They can't stop talking about the Detroit TV reporter who asked Obama a serious question at a Chrysler factory -- "How are you going to help American autoworkers?" -- to which he answered, "Hold on a second, sweetie."

The women are angry at the ludicrous charges of racism leveled against Clinton by the Obama camp -- amplified in the supposedly respectable media -- and projected onto themselves.

Jean B. Grillo, an "over 50" writer in lower Manhattan, was pretty straightforward: "I am so tired as a white, ultra-liberal, McGovern-voting, civil-rights marching, anti-war fighting highly educated professional woman who totally supports Hillary Clinton to be attacked and vilified as racist and or dumb."

Shauna Morris, a 44-year-old lawyer from Largo, Fla., told me, "I am upper-middle class, and I still can't stand him -- and it has nothing to do with race, believe me."

The women talk of being taken for granted by a party leadership that never spoke out on some of the outrageous Hillary bashing -- and despite the close race, joined the early rush to crown Obama.

"Many of us feel slighted," said Lynn Eyrich Harvey, 76, from Los Gatos, Calif. "We feel that years of supporting the party is unimportant, that we are to sit down and shut up -- but be sure to vote Democratic in November."

Passions can change, one supposes, but the women I hear from do not see the rampant sexism, particularly toward older women, as isolated gaffes but as a systemic dismissal of them -- an enormous voting bloc that has been reliably Democratic.

"How Obama's campaign has treated Hillary will not be forgotten," Janet Rogers, 55, who runs a Bed and Breakfast in Medina, Ohio, wrote me. "I will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. My husband and friends all feel the same way."

Indeed. McCain in '08 has suddenly become a more likely prospect.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_froma_harrop/white_women_take_the_gloves_off

Obama supporters have consistently declared Clinton to be no better than Bush or "GOP-lite."

By extension, they are calling her supporters no better than GOP shills.

Thus, giving 17 million voters great incentive to prove Obama supporters right and vote GOP.

So, keep up the vicious, nasty, winner-by-a-hair-gets-to-pummel-and-belittle-the-loser-over-and-over-and over attitude that Bush and his supporters embraced over the last eight years and you will end up in the same place as he and the GOP have.

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And . . . I still don't get your point. What's your point?

Nobama's point is to continue to try and prick people into feeling Nobama's pain at having lost by threatening to try and make Obama lose in November. Nobama tries to do this by invoking the Borg-that-is-17-million-HRC-voters into withholding their votes, I guess, and waits to see what gifts can be brought to cajole Nobama into casting Nobama's oh-so-precious vote for Obama.

It was fun while it lasted, Nobama, but as I said above, we have moved on, and we nothing you. Do what you must. Vote as you will. Cite ME as the reason you are doing so, if it makes you feel better. I don't care. I will just make certain the next 10 voters me and my wife register are done in your honor. We won't be held hostage as a party any more.

Thanks.

lipme: Democrats are moving on to fight the real fight.

Another Obama supporters speaking for all 34 million plus Democrats who voted in the primaries and caucuses.

And not a sarcastic deprecatory word from HusseinTenaX about the arrogance of speaking for the entire Democratic Party!

Well, double standards are the central hallmark of Obama supporters, so we shouldn't be surprised.

I hear you. Point made. That said, what I am asserting is simply that the momentum (think increasing numbers of Democrats) is in uniting around the obvious nominee, not dividing because of petty ressentiments.

p.s. apologies to Tena. :)

Who cares if she drops out now, Friday or next week? The party is unifying around Obama. Yes, he'll need Hillary to do her part, but it won't matter if she takes some time to lick her wounds. Rather than worrying about "when" and "how" we should just get on with the business of winning in November. I refuse to let her b.s. piss me off anymore.

You got it. And, it looks like this is indeed what the Campaign and Party is doing.

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Oh, the drama queen just. cannot. bring. herself. to. walk. off. the. stage.
That's exactly what this feels like. Hillary will milk any continued focus on her as long as possible.

I bet the political cartoonists are very busy right now working to capture the essence of her utterly egoistic behavior.

it's worth noting that no one is yet openly calling on Hillary to concede."

hu...I don't quite see the difference, it is just the polite way...she is obviously under pressure to concede...and rightly so
her own support will defect soon
even Rendell said he will be behind Obama and that no one, even a Clinton can pressure the Nominee about VP..I don't think her yesterday's speech was well received by the members of the party...
we should ignore this,the VP will come up in time in July .. as usual Obama'll deal with it and he has the party behind..today is of great historical importance and we are not saying it enough..this man achieved something amazing and America went for it..woa..the whole world is watching, I am in AWE, it is still not sinking in...this is just great

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The longer she waits the less influence she has. Soon she'll be standing with very few supporters saying, "hey where did everybody go?"

thejoshuablog: You're a bunch a racist loons who have no business in the Democratic party.

The women are angry at the ludicrous charges of racism leveled against Clinton by the Obama camp -- amplified in the supposedly respectable media -- and projected onto themselves.

Thanks for again proving how tone-deaf Obama supporters truly are: 'You oppose a black man, so you must be racist, because it can't have anything to do with the fact he's an arrogant, petulent, sneering, inexperienced, shallow, sloganeering fraud who joins racist congregations and surrounds himself with racist and misogynistic supporters who have been viciously demeaning and belittling Clinton long before she even acknowledged Obama as a competitor."

You had the opportunity to actually show what Obama says he's all about, brining people together, by being gracious winners reaching out to the losers, but you just can't resist giving vent to your obsessional Hillary Hatred and pile on with the incessent kvetching about how Hillary just wasn't progressive enough for your tastes and how she just wouldn't stay in the kitchen where she belongs once a man showed her the way.

Not me. Nor many many others. Thanks for the atempt though.
Looks to me like you are slipstreaming within the very allegations that you hurl around.

Remember?: "Another Obama supporters speaking for all 34 million plus Democrats who voted in the primaries and caucuses. ... Well, double standards are the central hallmark of Obama supporters, so we shouldn't be surprised."

The temp will come down in due time, as I am sure your petty ressentiments Nobama. In the meantime, enjoy the party.

Wait. can it be so,....no response from Nobama. How convenient.

Nobama:

Hi. I owe you nothing. You are fake/real anger behind a fake-name on a corner of TPM. You wish to paint with as broad a brush as possible to nurse your hurt and give run to your anger. You desperately seek validation for your pain, grasping at ANY insult you can find to feed the loathing.

Awesome. And fun to read. If you are not going to seek professional help (anti-depressants can be life-changing!), then please bring a thick skin to these parts. I have tired of tip-toeing around the feelings of angry HRC supporters. DON'T vote for him. DON'T! Vote something else.

We have moved on. We will do so without you. And, in honor of your continued whining on this thread, I will not make the next 20 voters that my wife and I register ones registered in your honor.

Thanks.

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR MCCAIN!!!

President Barack Obama

woa

I can't wait for some of the debates in those town halls w/McCain, he will get apoplectic against unflappable Obama..Obama will mop the floor with him

(just having fun..tired of the Bitch from Hell Clinton )
from a woman from her "constituency" BS!!

it's like how Hillary has never apologized her vote on Iraq even w/ 4000+ deaths...in a twisted kind of way..I almost find it amusing that she seems to be unable to endorse barack..Her remark this morning w/ APIAC was.."Senator Obama..not our nominee or President Obama"...it all points to her personality deficit!

What exactly besides giving a speach in 2002 has Oilbama done to help stop the war? He voted every time since arraiving in the Senate to keep funding the war and he voted for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill which was a huge give a way to Big Oil. Big Oil is the reason we are in Iraq. He held Zero hearings while chairman of his sub-committee on NATO. He has done exactly Nothing to stop the War, offered no legistlation whatsoever.
Of course neither has his friends Pelosi or Reid,
which is why Congress has worse negatives than Bush for christsakes.

Looks like gotalife registered a new account under the name of "Nobama."

Think you're right. On an earlier thread, I noticed the gotalife posting disappeared.

'Cept NoBama's too wordy to be our friend GotALife. And how about all that scolding? Geesh! Calling out the posters one by one for a personal tongue lashing...ah well, maybe it's cathartic. :)

I call Oilbama, Oilbama, because of his voting for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy bill, period.
Neither Hillary or McCain voted for this Bill as neither is in the pocket of Big Oil. I consider Cheney and Big Oil to be evil and the number one enemy of the enviroment and the reason we invaded Iraq. Oilbama is responsible for his vote and as far as I am concerned anyone who votes for Oilbama votes for Big Oil. Anyone wishing to explain to me why Oilbama voted with Dick Cheney in support of his energy Bill, feel free to enlighten me. Otherwise except the Oilbama nickname or shut the f*ck up.

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I believe you meant accept. And I thank you for insulting the nominee. There is nothing that brings a party together faster than that.

Oh yeah? Well...I'm rubber and you're glue and...

Aw, forget it.

That would "accept", not except, blank.

And, no, I choose not to stfu. But, thanks!

I deem you...angry HRC troll. Cool! We know how to deal with you.

We nothing you. We null and void you. We move on. We wish you well. We look forward to nurturing ourselves on your pain come a second defeat by Obama in November. As I said in another thread, it, it, it nourishes us.

Here membegal, I changed it for you- Now explain to me- why did Oilbama voted for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill?

I call Oilbama, Oilbama, because of his voting for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy bill, period.
Neither Hillary or McCain voted for this Bill as neither is in the pocket of Big Oil. I consider Cheney and Big Oil to be evil and the number one enemy of the enviroment and the reason we invaded Iraq. Oilbama is responsible for his vote and as far as I am concerned anyone who votes for Oilbama votes for Big Oil. Anyone wishing to explain to me why Oilbama voted with Dick Cheney in support of his energy Bill, feel free to enlighten me. Otherwise accept the Oilbama nickname or shut the f*ck up.

And anyone who votes for HRC votes for war! Because she voted for the Iraq war! And wants to have war in Iran!

That's why I call her warmongerClinton!

Wow, thanks blank, for letting me see how fun micro-criticisms are. I get to tar Clinton with a broad war-monger brush! And all her supporters too! Thanks for helping me see the light! An educational troll, you are!

Michael A: And . . . I still don't get your point. What's your point?

The point is how interesting it is that Obama is the so-called candidate of unity, but couldn't unite his own party during the primaries and caucuses and whose supporters engage in non-unifying verbal tactics that are the exact opposite of what he claims is his central defining qualification to be the next president.

Obama supporters can't even play nice when it comes to Clinton and her supporters, but they are going to play nice and build unity with members of the GOP which, again according to Obama supporters, are even worse?

Bush preached unity and bipartisanship and promised he would reach out to the other side and build a cooperative federal government that would put an end to partisan divide.

And yet those of us in Texas who knew better could see from his core supporters that fanaticism was the driving force and would not tolerate cooperation with any opposing force that didn't simply abandon their views and embrace the neocon vision - that bipartisanship meant joining the neocon movement, not finding common ground.

The same can be seen in Obama and his supporters: he preaches unity and accommodation, while they reject anything less than total acquiescence to the Obama vision.

Indeed, even after losing the popular vote in 2000 and winning by the narrowest of electoral margins, Bush acted as if he had won a landslide mandate that obviated any need to accommodate and negotiate with the opposing side.

We all see how well that went and we all called that arrogant and over-reaching.

And yet, history repeats itself, only this time it is a Democrat and the Democrats core supporters who claim the landslide mandate and reject any need for accommodation, negotiation, and cooperation.

BTW, LBJ earned his spot on Kennedy's ticket, despite rabid hatred from both for each other, as did Bush on Reagan's ticket, because of their political clout among the party faithful.

It is a rule of politics, not a party rule, and only an naive and puerile idiot would propose that formal party rules are the only consideration in the world of politics and that politicians are somehow acting out-of-turn in using that political clout for concessions - anyone who thinks Obama himself never did that in Illinois is a fool.

Yet, that is how the "faithful" think, that the normal rules of politics and law don't apply to them, as amply proven during the rule of Bush.

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Huh? I don't know whether to laugh or sympathize with your delusions. Have fun in fantasy land.

Michael:

Do not feed this troll. This is a fun breed of troll that screams disunity and blames Obama while nothing but nothing will ever make it right with the troll.

We nothing this troll. This troll doesn't exist. This troll is void.

JoshH: Looks like gotalife registered a new account under the name of "Nobama."

I think you meant "getalife," but Obama supporters have consistently shown a childish lack of actual attention to meaningful details, so again no surprise s here in the Echobama Chamber.

Or maybe you've just recognized that Clinton supporters have a life and Obama's supporters not having one need to look to him to give them one.

Hope can't be bestowed upon one, but must arise from inside, from one's own commitment. Those who must rely upon others to bestow hope upon them are weak and pathetic sheep looking for someone to herd them, just the type of people who end up in cults following a "leader" who spins great fanciful yarns that play to their followers' desperate need to have their lives given meaning by another.

Again, nice try Nobama.
The Democratic and Obama supporters here would indeed be but a echo-chamber if outside this, the rallies were like let's say 200 for McCain's speech last night, or the fact that Obama wasn't the nominee. But this isn't so, you see.

As for you reasoning surrounding hope. nice. I couldn't more, in many ways. Try, is you haven't already, a comparative study and analysis between the speeches of HRC and BO last night, and do tell me with whom the title of cult of personality resides.

I'm sure you can get past the typos Nobama, so spare me the obvious.

But just in case ( I understand you):

Again, nice try Nobama.
The Democratic and Obama supporters here would indeed be but a echo-chamber if outside this, the rallies were like let's say 200 for McCain's speech last night, or the fact that Obama wasn't the nominee. But this isn't so, you see.

As for your reasoning surrounding hope. nice. I couldn't agree more, in many ways. On that note, try, if you haven't already, a comparative study and analysis between the speeches of HRC and BO last night, and do tell me with whom the title of cult of personality resides.

Both candidates you are touting have supported the Iraq, fiasco; So obviously you support continuing this blunder.
Both support a gas tax holiday, that does nothing to aleviate our dependence on oil.
Both supported earmark refoms; Yet one is getting 2 Billion with a B in 2009 and the other says its ok if he says it's ok. As he and his advisers keep getting caugh ith theirfingers in the cookie jar.
Both don't like NAFTA, yet both they and their advisers have reaped millions by it.
So what do you really stand for?

the above is in reply to nobama and gotnolife.

Vote for McCain, Nobama. Please, I beg of you.

The Democratic party doesn't need people like you. You are the kind of person that has held this party back. We have registered millions and millions of new voters to wrest this party from your brand of extortion and tantrum making. I am thrilled to be upon a new day.

membengal: stupid no-editing feature

A more than adequate description of your brain!

membengal: We nothing you. We null and void you. We move on.

Multiple personalities in individual Obama supporters doesn't really surprise me either.

Or was this a group posting, membengal, a reflection of the 'hive mind' that is Obama supporters?

After all, you can't be expected to actually think for yourself when a greatness such as Obama can do your thinking for you!

[Rhetorical question above. Just in case it is too subtle for the initiated.]

Nobama excellent new nickname Gotalife. I guess I will have to change to IndBillC now that the far left loonies and the mediatrolls have highjacked the once proud Democratic party. As the limpwristed Oilbama won only six of the last 14 contests, and Tuesday night he lost South Dakota, too, where he had been heavily favored. Now that the party had accepted results from the Florida and Michigan primaries, Clinton officially received more votes than Oilbama. So it is we Hillary supporters who are the majority that will decide the election. I cannot see ever voting for Oilbama due to his support of Dick Cheneys Energy Bill, also who wants to be associated with the Obamabot sexist racist turds who hang out on blogs. Hillary should either run as an independent, or sit on the sidelines and watch Oilbama get slaughtered in the general. The party has been highjacked by the far loony left and does not represent true Americans any more.

Could just imagine what your definition of true American is. But, really do tell.

buzzy, buzzy, buzzy, buzzy, holding breath (is Obama noticing???? I sure hope so????? we HRC supporters won't be spurned!!!!) buzzy, buzzy, buzzy, buzzy

Getting real tired of these so-called Democratic leaders.

First, they sit around and let Clinton make a bloody mess of the primary. Then, when they do finally issue an after-the-fact statement, they don't have one frickin' complimentary thing to say about their own nominee.

What cowardly jerks!

Michael A: I don't know whether to laugh or sympathize with your delusions.

Trust me, you are much to immersed in your own delusions to be able to handle the reality that others are experiencing.

Bush was packaged as an inexperienced but likable individual, beyond the influence of Washington politics, who promoted the shallow emotional appeal of "compassionate conservatism," while surrounding himself with the raging radicals of his own party who had grown discontented with the party's leadership as being insufficiently dedicated to certain rightist principles.

Obama has packaged himself as an inexperienced but likable individual, beyond the influence of Washington politics, who has promoted the shallow emotional appeal of "hope and change," while surrounding himself with the raging radicals of his own party who have grown discontented with the party's leadership as being insufficiently dedicated to certain leftist principles.

Both are arrogant and petulent, both sport a sneering and tendentious response when questioned in what they perceive to be a personal way, and both are championed by vacuous and vicious supporters who will readily borrow the tactics of the opposing party when attacking members of their own party while simultaneously preaching the value of (and demanding the maintenance of ) party unity and the odious quality of the opposing party.

The fantasy belongs to you, Michael A, embrace it!

Nobama excellent new nickname Gotalife. I guess I will have to change to IndBillC now that the far left loonies and the mediatrolls have highjacked the once proud Democratic party. As the limpwristed Oilbama won only six of the last 14 contests, and Tuesday night he lost South Dakota, too, where he had been heavily favored. Now that the party had accepted results from the Florida and Michigan primaries, Clinton officially received more votes than Oilbama. So it is we Hillary supporters who are the majority that will decide the election. I cannot see ever voting for Oilbama due to his support of Dick Cheneys Energy Bill, also who wants to be associated with the Obamabot sexist racist turds who hang out on blogs. Hillary should either run as an independent, or sit on the sidelines and watch Oilbama get slaughtered in the general. The party has been highjacked by the far loony left and does not represent true Americans any more.

Posted IndBillC

You just never saw this coming did you. As Colbert mentioned at the White House Press Corps dinner, reality has a well known liberal bias. Sour grapes I say. Sour grapes.

"behind every squinted eye, there is a secret envy." Enjoy your petty ressentiments Nobama.

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Huh? You are extrapolating and distorting facts. So what about bush? What does that have to do with anything? Whatever. Go back and crawl under your rock.

politics aside. i am hoping clinton makes an ever bigger ass of herself. i really want to see her fix the negativity of her campaign in the collective memory.
politics considered. the bigger an ass she is the less likely she can force her way on the ticket.

As she did not vote for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy it would be impossible for her to make as big an ass out of herself than Oilbama who did.
I pray she does not accept the VP spot and it will be even better if it is not offered. With her off the ticket the limpwristed one has Zero chance in the general. He limped to the finish line like a bigtime loser. He will get slaughtered in the general.

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Exactly.

rita forte: Getting real tired of these so-called Democratic leaders.

Where have we heard this type of talk before . . . oh, yeah, among radical Republicans who, like children, required absolute compliance with their demands and obsequious deference to their leader, George W. Bush.

Insufficient kowtowing to Obama, er I mean Bush, is an unacceptable insult (dare I say "dissing" of the candidate?) and demands a response of much anger, amidst cries of astonishment that anyone would question what deference is due the candidate, and imposition of punishments including banishment, ostracism, and foul verbal assaults.

And these are the people who are going to build the bridges of unity across party lines and bring the Kumbayah Country!

lipme: Enjoy your petty ressentiments Nobama.

I don't even know what "ressentiments" are, lipme.

Perhaps it is a new word you have coined from "resentments" and "sentiments?"

Very clever, you!

Nevertheless, enjoy your petty triumph, lipme.

i really want to see her fix the negativity of her campaign in the collective memory

This is laughable coming from a supporter of one of the most negative campaigns in history - the Obama campaign.


Nobama:

HRC will do what she wants to do. Fine. The Democratic party is moving on.

Do a wiki on the word. Always glad to be a part of expanding your small minded horizons. Stick around, there's obviously lots for you to learn. That is, if you are up to the task.

Where's that whitey tape? Awfully quiet now that HRC couldn't prevent Obama from clinching...

curious indeed.

I'm pretty sure that NoBama is Hillary. She's just here letting it all out and that's a good thing. It's therapeutic. She needs this. Go on, Hill...I mean, NoBama, let it out... you'll feel better, when it's all out of your system.

Yes, I would've expected someone people who obsessively use the phrase "moving on" to focus on esoteric terms from the voodoo world of psychology.

Less than 360,000 google hits for "ressentiments" and over 41 million for "sentiments" and 8 million plus for "resent" pretty much puts this in perspective.

It's nice to see that the elitism so apparent in Obama and his campaign is equally present in his supporters.

No wonder the Obama campaign is so dismissive of middle-class working America and their poor limited vocabularies and their bitter, bitter clinging to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them.

You couldn't bolster the appearance of elitism in the Obama campaign any better if you were trying.

If anybody can't stand people who aren't like them, it would be Obama and his supporters.

Sorta like a cult.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Whatever comforts you conscience Nobama.

How's it going on your more-thought probing comparison and analysis of last nights speeches? Up to the task? You know where the true mantle of the cult of personality resides, don't you?

Sounds to me like you're clinging on to some mighty interesting things there Nobama. -like the need to dumb down middle-class working America.

Obama, his candidacy, campaign and message was anything but. Again, take some time and look at the two speeches last night.

Wait, I think the " Go to!!!" HillaryClinton.com site is still up. Throw her some cash and some of that denial based ostridge-politics that you seem to be clinging onto. Or come joint the party!!!!

Where's that whitey tape?

Yet more racism by an Obama supporter.

This will appeal greatly to white, working class America.

Perhaps you can find another white pastor to adopt the accent of a black pastor and trash Clinton and all her supporters some more - only this time, be sure to put him in blackface.

This will simply underscore that Obama's call for unity that his supporters are so clearly dedicated to!

CarolBG: I'm pretty sure that NoBama is Hillary . . .

I'm pretty sure that CarolBG is in a cult somewhere, but unhappy and looking for another one. Success! She's found the Obamacult.

BGAG

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